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Gillard 71, Rudd 31

Phillip Coorey of the Sydney Morning Herald reportedly reports that Julia Gillard’s winning margin over Kevin Rudd in this morning’s Labor leadership vote has been 73-29, coming in at the higher end of market expectations.

UPDATE: The official announcement has actually been that the margin was 71-31. Headline amended. Apologies that comments are currently off, which has been necessary to manage Crikey’s notoriously shaky bandwidth.

UPDATE 2: Ongoing apologies for the offness of the comments. Essential Research has come in at 56-44, up from 55-45 last week and 54-46 the week before. Labor’s primary vote is down a point to 32 per cent and the Coalition’s is up one to 49 per cent, with the Greens steady on 11 per cent. Further questions have 39 per cent blaming Julia Gillard for Labor’s problems against 18 per cent for Kevin Rudd, 23 per cent for others in the party and 10 per cent for the media. Reactions to the Gonski report are typically social democratic, with 61 per cent preferring more education funding to a return to a budget surplus and 68 per cent supporting the report’s recommendations as described against 13 per cent opposed.

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  1. conf, I think he just objected to the charge that he wasn’t addressing the bill. Owens really got under his skin with that.

    by triton on Mar 1, 2012 at 10:38 am

  2. Confessions is the ultimate apologist for Gillard.

    by Thornleigh Labor Man on Mar 1, 2012 at 10:40 am

  3. triton:

    The opposition are all over the shop these days.

    by confessions on Mar 1, 2012 at 10:41 am

  4. TLM:

    Oh the irony…..!

    by confessions on Mar 1, 2012 at 10:41 am

  5. Lynchpin@3542:

    TLBD

    whoever I select

    Oh great! Now I expect 10 days of Gillard bashing by those who think she should have said “whomever”.

    Whatever!

    http://www.grammarbook.com/grammar/whoever.asp

    Whilst you may be technically correct, the use of whomever sounds stilted and awkward to me in this context.

    English as she is spoke is different to English using the rules of Latin.

    by don on Mar 1, 2012 at 10:42 am

  6. daretotread

    Confessions

    Are you for real? Are you a staffer? The Carr stuff matters to any other would be contender and their friends.

    Which just leaves 99.999936 % of the population not caring.

    by poroti on Mar 1, 2012 at 10:42 am

  7. it is disappointing that Gillard didn’t have the guts to go through with her plan.

    It would have just caused friction to parachute in an outsider. She has to think of the whole government, not just one position. You can do what you like with a large majority, but not with a hung parliament.

    by triton on Mar 1, 2012 at 10:42 am

  8. Confessions is the ultimate apologist for Gillard.

    ha ha Evan2GB, Here’s Mr. Kettle please meet Mr. Pot

    by The Finnigans on Mar 1, 2012 at 10:46 am

  9. don,

    A bit like playing chess with an eight year old who only understands draughts.

    by Greensborough Growler on Mar 1, 2012 at 10:47 am

  10. MTR is no more

    ;)

    http://t.co/6MLVdOtq

    by gusface on Mar 1, 2012 at 10:47 am

  11. lynchpin 3508: ‘Opinionistas can’t handle that Gillard won by the biggest margin ever’? Perhaps that’s because it’s not true: journalists may have read Greg Earl in the AFR the next day correcting this myth: ‘Julia Gillard won the third-highest share of the party-room vote of any leadership candidate for 50 years on both side of politics – and the second highest if the 1985 faux contest between John Howard and Jim Carlton is excluded’.

    As I mentioned to Earl, go back another couple of years and you’ll find Doc Evatt’s 68:20 defeat of grouper Burke in 1954. I suspect that is the strongest margin in modern politics in a genuine leadership battle. (And that wasn’t such an omen for Labor…)

    by Graeme Orr on Mar 1, 2012 at 10:48 am

  12. TheFinnigans天地有道人无道 ‏ @Thefinnigans Reply Delete Favorite · Open
    So James Packer has cut and run back to daddy in NY #NewsCorpse

    by The Finnigans on Mar 1, 2012 at 10:49 am

  13. ShowsOn @ 3549

    Carr would’ve made a good minister for foreign affairs,

    Mere speculation. He was good with media but otherwise a poor Premier.

    and it is disappointing that Gillard didn’t have the guts to go through with her plan.

    Was it ever her plan?
    Whether it was or not she managed to yet again make herself and her performance the issue.

    by bemused on Mar 1, 2012 at 10:50 am

  14. Finns:

    You mean James Murdoch?

    by confessions on Mar 1, 2012 at 10:51 am

  15. Gus

    Maybe MTR will set up a website where people can donate to help them pay their overlords.

    by shellbell on Mar 1, 2012 at 10:52 am

  16. Thank you Graeme Orr. I stand corrected. The thrust of my point still stands, however.

    And Don, I think “whoever” is actually correct, but I could be wrong – having been educated by the Marist Brothers in country NSW, these distinctions weren’t made particularly clear to us, in between canings.

    by Lynchpin on Mar 1, 2012 at 10:53 am

  17. gus,

    No one knew it existed and now it’s gone.

    Shock jock radio is so Sydney and just does not work in Melbourne.

    by Greensborough Growler on Mar 1, 2012 at 10:53 am

  18. gusface @ 3559

    MTR is no more

    http://t.co/6MLVdOtq

    Just checked and they are still on the air. :(

    by bemused on Mar 1, 2012 at 10:54 am

  19. He was good with media but otherwise a poor Premier.

    Bemused, I thought Carr was a very good Environment Minister. Large stretches of the NSW coastline are pristine to this day thanks to his efforts.

    by Lynchpin on Mar 1, 2012 at 10:55 am

  20. GG

    So true. MTR could barely get 8,000 listeners

    by victoria on Mar 1, 2012 at 10:55 am

  21. GG

    u made that point at our tete a tete

    i agree 100%

    by gusface on Mar 1, 2012 at 10:56 am

  22. Lynchpin

    National Parks in NSW is Carr’s principal legacy

    by shellbell on Mar 1, 2012 at 10:57 am

  23. even if it is still on air, it has failed to get any support

    by victoria on Mar 1, 2012 at 10:57 am

  24. TheFinnigans天地有道人无道 ‏ @Thefinnigans
    My PB Ozpol mate has just reduced Shanananana goal post shifting of #Carrgate into ashes of insignificance

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2012/02/27/gillard-73-rudd-29/comment-page-69/#comment-1183619 #auspol

    by The Finnigans on Mar 1, 2012 at 10:57 am

  25. Lynchpin @ 3532

    Meanwhile no one cares if Carr was offered a job or not. Really, who cares?

    OK. Apart from Bob Carr, Alan Jones, the Liberal and National Parties, some cabinet ministers, Dennis Shanahan, Michelle Grattan and Phil Coorey, and some people on Poll Bludger, who really cares?

    Clearly in real terms this is a very minor matter. However the MSM have whipped it up into a frenzy in an attempt to tag the PM is a liar, weak and subject to the faceless men. It is aimed at feeding into the general untrustworthy and incompetent themes. It is a disgrace the attention that this has received compared to the thoughtful contribution made by the independents yesterday.

    by CO on Mar 1, 2012 at 10:58 am

  26. Vic, Ducky: Glad you like it. It seem perfectly in place for today!.

    And being The Guardian, it wouldn’t half be pointed at the same media company as stops at nothing in an attempt to roll our PM and replace her with a puppet government that will hand it and its rich mates whatever they want, from media, medical, workplace etc control to the lowest possible tax and the maximum possible benefits.

    by OzPol Tragic on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:00 am

  27. “whomsoever” works well and doesn’t sound affected.

    by This little black duck on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:01 am

  28. You know that it’s William’s radio station that everyone is bagging. :-)

    by triton on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:01 am

  29. KFC Boy seems to have very thin skin. I suppose, if it has to stretch over so much flesh …

    by This little black duck on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:02 am

  30. triton

    Really? It is sister station of 2gb

    by victoria on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:03 am

  31. Lynchpin @ 3568

    Bemused, I thought Carr was a very good Environment Minister. Large stretches of the NSW coastline are pristine to this day thanks to his efforts.

    Possibly.
    But as a Premier he under-invested in infrastructure and laid the foundations for the subsequent problems of the NSW Govt.

    by bemused on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:03 am

  32. Clearly in real terms this is a very minor matter. However the MSM have whipped it up into a frenzy in an attempt to tag the PM is a liar, weak and subject to the faceless men. It is aimed at feeding into the general untrustworthy and incompetent themes. It is a disgrace the attention that this has received compared to the thoughtful contribution made by the independents yesterday.

    Shorter media:

    Gillard is unfit for office because she can't stop us saying she's unfit for office.

    by Bushfire Bill on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:04 am

  33. victoria @ 3572

    even if it is still on air, it has failed to get any support

    Yes. But MTR was coming in against a well established competitor, ‘red-neck radio’ – 3AW. It also suffered from poor reception in many parts of Melbourne.

    If it’s final demise does occur I think it’s audience will just revert to 3AW.

    by bemused on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:06 am

  34. abbott ” the last thing I want to do is hold up this ….. but”.

    by mickt on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:07 am

  35. For those interested in the Assange issue, here is an article written by Jennifer Robinson, a London-based Australian human rights lawyer who represents Julian Assange and WikiLeaks.

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/time-for-government-to-stand-ground-and-protect-assange-20120229-1u3cn.html

    The question we must now ask: if a Texas private intelligence firm knew of the sealed indictment for more than a year - why doesn't our government? Did the government know? Was its denial of knowledge dishonest?

    For some time, Greens Senator Scott Ludlam has attempted to get some answers from the Australian Government, yesterday being the latest when he presented a couple of motions relating to Assange.

    Labor and the Coalition voted together to defeat them.

    http://scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au/content/media-releases/government-can%E2%80%99t-say-what-it-would-do-protect-assange-us-senate-can%E2%80%99t-admit-w

    The Government and the Opposition took squirming to new heights today in regards to the threat of prosecution in the USA faced by Australian citizen and WikiLeaks chief, Julian Assange.

    Australian Government – Complicit, or ignorant?

    by Pegasus on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:07 am

  36. vic, William has been interviewed on it. It’s his Poll Bludger publicity vehicle. :lol:

    by triton on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:07 am

  37. Let’s see how wide a coverage this gets:

    Kieran Gilbert ‏ @Kieran_Gilbert
    T Abbott heckled by a worker at CRT as he campaigns on carbon tax – how will you pay for 70 billion dollars? You’re the liar #auspol

    6m Simon Cullen ‏ @Simon_Cullen
    Tony Abbott is visiting a building supplies business in Canberra. He was heckled by a worker who said the visit was just a media stunt

    by vitalise on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:08 am

  38. triton

    As I never listen to MTR, I have never heard William. :)

    by victoria on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:08 am

  39. Andrew Catsaras ‏ @AndrewCatsaras

    On the issue of trust – rated high or very high for honesty & ethical stds: Federal MP’s 14% TV reporters 14% Newspaper journos 11% (Morgan)

    Pollies are 27% more honest than newspaper journos!

    by Greensborough Growler on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:08 am

  40. Ducky@3576:

    “whomsoever” works well and doesn’t sound affected.

    This is something up with which I will not put!

    :smirk: :kiss: :devil:

    by don on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:09 am

  41. GG

    You obviously mean 44%

    by victoria on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:10 am

  42. CO @ 3574

    Clearly in real terms this is a very minor matter. However the MSM have whipped it up into a frenzy in an attempt to tag the PM is a liar, weak and subject to the faceless men. It is aimed at feeding into the general untrustworthy and incompetent themes. It is a disgrace the attention that this has received compared to the thoughtful contribution made by the independents yesterday.

    It is a dopey idea for a Prime Minister, any Prime Minister, to get involved in pre-selection issues and even worse to engage in speculation about possible roles for whoever gets the pre-selection.

    If she had completely clean hands she would have been able to give flat denials consistently and it would have not got any legs. The trouble seems to be that she did get involved to some minor extent that was still sufficient to preclude such denials.

    by bemused on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:12 am

  43. And up with that you shall not have to put!

    by This little black duck on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:13 am

  44. It is a dopey idea for a Prime Minister, any Prime Minister, to get involved in pre-selection issues

    They almost always do don’t they?

    by ltep on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:16 am

  45. La Stupenda: suddenly Gillard must make Bob Carr happy, or else she is unfit to be Prime Minister.

    http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/former-premier-was-ready-to-take-the-stage-20120229-1u3fi.html

    by Bushfire Bill on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:17 am

  46. Ah, so Gillard’s win was only the *second* largest in 60-odd years.

    Sheesh.

    I think the point that you and others are very much missing is that this contest was between the sitting Prime Minister and AN IMMEDIATE PAST PRIME MINISTER. It was between someone the electorate have never warmed to and someone who is at pains to demonstrate his popular appeal. In short, someone who may never be electable and someone who has demonstrated in the past he is eminently electable.

    AND YET HE STILL GOT TROUNCED.

    You might like to remind me of Mr Burke’s stature in and immediately prior to 1954; unless the circumstances were anywhere near the same you are comparing apples with oranges.

    I remain astounded that the Ruddistas and assorted media hacks can’t see that for a former Prime Minister to have suffered a defeat of such magnitude is HUGELY SIGNIFICANT.

    Take your blinkers off and accept that this isn’t about faceless men, factions or members nervous about winning their seats. This is about the extent to which this immediate past Prime Minister has burnt all his bridges with over 60% of his colleagues.

    That is a problem that isn’t going away in a hurry …

    by Danny Lewis on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:17 am

  47. Coorey seems to have gone feral lately, right up there in unhingement with O.C.B. and Hartcher. Tingle is also becoming more shrill.

    They seem to have uncorked the Gina in the bottle.

    by Bushfire Bill on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:19 am

  48. bemused

    Carr would’ve made a good minister for foreign affairs,

    Mere speculation. He was good with media but otherwise a poor Premier.

    I disagree with you! I think that what the Party needs at the moment are some clear thinkers and wise heads.

    Carr does not need the gig but I think he would have been a calming influence inside the Caucus.

    Too many young turks with little or no experience with the world outside of politics are in need of some reality checks. They are not masters of the universe however they think of themselves.

    Some of the older war horses like Crean et al need to pull their heads in also. Some of the performances before and after the leadership ballot were not helpful to anyone.

    Continuing vitriol does not sit at all well with the electorate.

    by MTBW on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:20 am

  49. I hope Tony Ding Duck is outside somewhere h­ttp://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR403.loop.shtml#skip

    by This little black duck on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:20 am

  50. Bob Carr got voter approval that the present day Labor Party would die for.

    He would have brought gravitas to a job like Foreign Affairs. Steve Smith did and may do so again, but it’s a pity to take him from Defence. Put Simon Crean in Defence and see if his deeds can match his tongue! Better still, Wayne Swan.

    by Toorak Toff on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:20 am

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