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Gillard 71, Rudd 31

Phillip Coorey of the Sydney Morning Herald reportedly reports that Julia Gillard’s winning margin over Kevin Rudd in this morning’s Labor leadership vote has been 73-29, coming in at the higher end of market expectations.

UPDATE: The official announcement has actually been that the margin was 71-31. Headline amended. Apologies that comments are currently off, which has been necessary to manage Crikey’s notoriously shaky bandwidth.

UPDATE 2: Ongoing apologies for the offness of the comments. Essential Research has come in at 56-44, up from 55-45 last week and 54-46 the week before. Labor’s primary vote is down a point to 32 per cent and the Coalition’s is up one to 49 per cent, with the Greens steady on 11 per cent. Further questions have 39 per cent blaming Julia Gillard for Labor’s problems against 18 per cent for Kevin Rudd, 23 per cent for others in the party and 10 per cent for the media. Reactions to the Gonski report are typically social democratic, with 61 per cent preferring more education funding to a return to a budget surplus and 68 per cent supporting the report’s recommendations as described against 13 per cent opposed.

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  1. 6m Simon Cullen ‏ @Simon_Cullen
    Tony Abbott is visiting a building supplies business in Canberra. He was heckled by a worker who said the visit was just a media stunt

    Which it was, of course.

    by Bushfire Bill on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:21 am

  2. Readers Digest Australia’s most trusted 100 people, 2011
    http://www.readersdigest.com.au/australias-most-trusted-people-2011/

    Who are Australia’s most trusted politicians according to this survey?

    by Pegasus on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:21 am

  3. vic,

    Not sure if you are a pollie or a journo there. 14/11 as a percentage is 127%.

    by Greensborough Growler on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:22 am

  4. Itep @ 3593

    It is a dopey idea for a Prime Minister, any Prime Minister, to get involved in pre-selection issues

    They almost always do don’t they?

    It seems to have been an increasing trend and it is a bad idea.
    The ALP in all states has pre-selection rules and they do not involve the Parliamentary Labor Party.
    It is an area that the Parliamentary Labor Party should stay well clear of, just like party administrative matters and fund raising.

    by bemused on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:23 am

  5. 3584
    Pegasus

    For those interested in the Assange issue...

    Well hardly anyone is interested, but if they were, and they stopped to think about whether or not governments should try to protect their security-related information from disclosure and publication, then they would conclude that Assange should be charged and tried.

    by briefly on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:23 am

  6. GG

    Sorry i am not sure what you are referring to?

    by victoria on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:24 am

  7. Charlie Teo as the 4th most trusted Australian – the world has gone mad.

    by Oakeshott Country on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:26 am

  8. In one case Mr O'Chee sent Stratfor advance information given by a source ''in a very high govt position'' relating to President Barack Obama's October 2011 visit to Australia.

    Now a Brisbane based business consultant, Mr O'Chee is described by his Stratfor ''source handler'', China and International Projects Director Jennifer Richmond, as ''my Aussie intelligence source'' who is ''well-connected politically, militarily and economically''.

    Mr O'Chee has a Stratfor ''A'' rating for ''source reliability'', and his reports and advice are generally regarded as highly credible though at times veering into the field of ''intelligent speculation''.

    Mr O'Chee served as a Queensland National Party Senator from 1990 to 1999. He was the first ethnic-Chinese Australian to serve in the Australian Parliament and was also the youngest person to serve as a Senator. He remains active in the Liberal National Party in Queensland.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/wikileaks-names-exsenator-as-informant-20120301-1u4gw.html#ixzz1novBsKTB

    by lizzie on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:27 am

  9. Bemused @ # 3512

    ”… it does show is that Julia has lost none of her ability to mis-handle a trivial matter and turn it into something much more damaging.”

    I am at a loss to reconcile the above by “Bemused and what appear to be the facts.

    The question I would ask is what did the PM do wrong or what did she omit to do?

    It appears that she did not offer the Senate position she talked to Carr about it. During that conservation Carr dispelled all doubts that he was even interested in the position. Once it was clear that Carr was not interested in joining the Senate than any question concerning the Foreig Ministers position appears to be a waste of time – no Senator Carr therefore no Foreign Minister Carr

    She denied the general thrust of the media reports during QT yesterday which from what I can see was confirms to the facts as outlined by those involved ie Gillard and Carr.

    So what other action should Gillard have carried out or which of her actions she should have avoided. For the life of me I cannot see what all the fuss is about.

    by Ratsars on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:27 am

  10. Carr would not have made a good Minister for FA IMHO, mainly because he is just TOO close to the USA. In an era when China is a growing power and our main trading partner it is best not to have a Minister for FA who is very one sided on the issue. Need a clear head on this ESPECIALLY if there is any real conflict between the pair.

    Paul Keating now would make AN EXCELLENT FM.

    by daretotread on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:27 am

  11. vic,

    yr 3590. We are talking about the same thing, I hope?

    by Greensborough Growler on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:27 am

  12. Yes, Wayne Swan to FM and Stephen Smith to Treasury….Crean to Veterans Affairs and Combet to Defence…… :)

    by briefly on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:28 am

  13. Ratsars

    What YOU think is irrelevant. What Smith and Crean think IS relevant. GET IT. It only matters if by actions Gillard has P**d off power brokers like Crean and Smith and if they are upset enough to restart destabilisation. It is much too early to make a judgement call on that.

    by daretotread on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:30 am

  14. MTBW @ 3597

    Too many young turks with little or no experience with the world outside of politics are in need of some reality checks. They are not masters of the universe however they think of themselves.

    I can agree with you on that but it seems to be a greater affliction among ‘advisers’, most of whom are way too young and lacking in experience outside of politics. It would be a good thing if there was greater flexibility in the salaries of staffers so that highly experienced (and more expensive) people could be brought in to provide higher quality advice.

    by bemused on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:31 am

  15. Graeme Orr 3560 – unfair. If Carlton vs Howard was a faux contest so was Evatt vs Burke. That was surely just a display that there was a 20 strong Grouper group in the Caucus. It was perhaps more interesting because of Evatt’s behaviour after the vote – a hint of his later dementia.

    by Oakeshott Country on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:31 am

  16. Paul Keating now would make AN EXCELLENT FM.

    Paul Keating is not in Parliament anymore.

    What Smith and Crean think IS relevant.

    Neither Crean nor Smith have expressed an interest in moving to the Senate. Therefore I think it’s safe to say you haven’t the first clue what either of them think about Labor’s Senate nominee.

    by confessions on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:35 am

  17. I see the anti Smith for FM attack goes deeper into the News Ltd bowels. I smells an agenda to stop Mr Smith going to Washington (and elsewhere).

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/bob-carr-at-odds-with-julia-gillard-on-ministry-bid/story-fn59niix-1226285979385

    by Greensborough Growler on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:35 am

  18. Charlie Teo as the 4th most trusted Australian – the world has gone mad.

    really – the guy operates on your brain. if you can’t trust him you may aswell give up. I am suprised he is not number one.

    by the spectator on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:36 am

  19. Latika Bourke ‏ @latikambourke
    Liberal MP calls the Prime Minister a 'congenital liar' on Facebook. @ Press Gallery, Parliament House http://instagr.am/p/HnBgoXQJH1/

    The usual class from Dennis Jensen.

    by confessions on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:37 am

  20. OC @ 3614

    Graeme Orr 3560 – unfair. If Carlton vs Howard was a faux contest so was Evatt vs Burke.

    I am grateful to Graeme Orr for mentioning Jim Carlton who I had all but forgotten.
    It brought back memories of how Keating handled him. Carlton had a rather florid complexion and Keating was quick to dub him ‘old rosie’ and use it to bait him in Parliament. Keating sure did know how to get under their skin! :lol: :lol: :lol:

    by bemused on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:38 am

  21. There are about 300 neurosurgeons in Australia. Some technocally better some worse but he is certainly the best at being a media tart.

    by Oakeshott Country on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:38 am

  22. Although both are part of the same company (and print mostly the same common stories), the Age and SMH seem to focus differently on Federal politics.

    Today for example, the Age website highlights the Phillip Coorey story on Bob Carr: “PM’s newfound authority ‘lasted just 24 hours’ as bungle raises doubts”.

    The SMH website on the other hand, highlights Jessica Wright “Prime Minister puts final touches on her new cabinet” and has a much smaller link to the Coorey story.

    The Age seems to be spinning a much stronger anti-government line lately than the SMH. Could the current SMH editor be feeling more independent of Fairfax management and ownership than the current Age editor?

    by citizen on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:38 am

  23. NO!

    Labor are going to fight the:mrgreen: on economic management. Wayne Swan has been awarded the title of the world’s best finance minister.

    To remove Swan from the treasury portfolio would relinquish that artillary the government has at its disposal.

    Swan stays as treasurer and Deputy PM.

    Do some of you have a clue on the way to go about winning? No I didn’t think so! :shock:

    by Centre on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:39 am

  24. Bemused
    I think of him everytime I see his son on TV. He inherited his father’s moronic looks

    by Oakeshott Country on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:41 am

  25. Just watching Bob Marley doing Get Up Stand Up. How about that for an ALP anthem?

    by This little black duck on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:41 am

  26. Still bubbling away, but this is Malcolm Farr’s take. The headline is the problem
    “The ALP still so tender the lightest touch causes agony”

    It wasn’t Julia Gillard’s idea to offer Bob Carr the foreign ministry. It originally came from talks the former Premier had with his initial contact on the matter, NSW Labor secretary Sam Dastyari who had not consulted the Prime Minister. She did not make an offer.

    Stephen Smith did not barge into the Prime Minister’s office and tear shreds off her because he wanted the ministry. He expressed an interest but has said privately and publicly it is up to Ms Gillard.

    If he did have a tantrum, it would be the first of its type in his 20 years in Parliament. As one source said, “The thesis that Smithy flicked the switch to bull-in-a-china-shop strains credulity.”

    http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/the-alp-still-so-tender-the-lightest-touch-causes-agony/

    by lizzie on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:42 am

  27. The US version of Australias own Bushfire Bill.

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/201202290016#.T0688-Wiwhk.twitter

    by Gaffhook on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:42 am

  28. I assume the Reader Digest survey put up 100 names and asked readers to rate all 100.

    The notion that a trio of pants men like Ricky Nixon, Fevola and horny Warney would make it in the top 100 otherwise is disturbing – even if it was restricted to Melbourne.

    There is the odd survey that puts bloggers super low on trustworthiness.

    by shellbell on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:42 am

  29. So Latika tweets Dennis Jensen being derogatory on facebook about our PM. How is this news, Latika??

    by Andrew on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:44 am

  30. Liberal MP showing the class they have become famous for:

    http://instagr.am/p/HnBgoXQJH1/

    by Greensborough Growler on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:44 am

  31. What the hell, Paul Keating FM now, sheezus what is going on with some people?

    FACT: Bob Carr has officially announced that he was NOT, NOT formally offered a Senate seat or the position as Foreign Affairs minister.

    Could journalists be so seriously out of touch with normal party procedures OR are they just trying to stirr shit to keep the PM’s polling figures down?

    That answer is the latter!

    by Centre on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:45 am

  32. Briefly,

    Well hardly anyone is interested…

    Keep believing that ;-)

    UMR Research: http://www.theage.com.au/national/strong-support-for-wikileaks-among-australians-20110105-19g8z.html

    Essential Report: http://www.essentialmedia.com.au/tag/julian-assange/

    SMH Online Poll: http://www.smh.com.au/polls/opinion/politics/help-for-julian-assange-20111219-1p1ex.html

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/assanges-treatment-says-a-lot-about-us-20111218-1p0o2.html

    The Australian government has refused to intervene on his behalf with the foreign governments pursuing him, despite friendly relations with those governments. The activities in question have earned him the Sydney Peace Prize, the Walkley Award for Most Outstanding Contribution to Journalism in Australia, the Martha Gellhorn Prize for Journalism in the US and Liberty Victoria's Voltaire Award for Free Speech. The readers of both Time and Le Monde voted him person of the year for 2010.

    http://scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au/content/media-releases/government-can%E2%80%99t-say-what-it-would-do-protect-assange-us-senate-can%E2%80%99t-admit-w

    Later, Senator Ludlam moved a motion for the Senate to acknowledge that Mr Assange had been recognised as a journalist by organisations including the Walkley Foundation and the British High Court.

    "This was too frightening for the Labor Party and the Coalition. They sat there and voted against a list of seven undisputed facts. What could have got them so spooked?"

    by Pegasus on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:46 am

  33. the spectator @ 3617

    Charlie Teo as the 4th most trusted Australian – the world has gone mad.

    really – the guy operates on your brain. if you can’t trust him you may aswell give up. I am suprised he is not number one.

    Only relevant to those with a brain. :grin:
    Maybe OC would like to reconsider?

    by bemused on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:47 am

  34. “whomsoever” works well and doesn’t sound affected.

    Good grammar and expression sound affected only to those who don’t use them.

    Support for continuing inability to use them – including when writing formally (inc letters, speeches, reports, higher Ed assignments)- can be one of the most career-limiting impositions one can visit on one’s self or others.

    Try noticing how grammatically accurate is the language of CEOs, company spin doctors, those who write speeches, companies’ annual reports, research, websites – in fact, most commercial websites, professional etc webpages.

    IMO, any teacher who lets post-year 8 students (yr 5 curriculum used to introduce skills needed for grammatically accurate, concise and literate – called ‘felicitous’ by examiners – spoken and written English) get away with sloppy language, grammar, synthesis, analysis and evaluation, or without encouraging Thesaurus use to identify the most accurate & less hackneyed words, is seriously handicapping students’ ability to reach their full potential & should be held accountable for that.

    by OzPol Tragic on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:48 am

  35. I think the craziest thing about the “liar” crap is that PM Gillard is probably the most honest PM we have had

    the carbon tax was not a lie
    she did not offer Carr FM- he has confirmed that- this is not a lie

    by Andrew on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:49 am

  36. Lizzie, Malcolm Farr is an :mrgreen: supporter, but when the adjustment is made taking into account his employer, he has certainly much more credibility than many of his peers.

    Good one Farr ;)

    by Centre on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:50 am

  37. Charlie Teo was my assistant early in his career. As the boy so the man

    by Oakeshott Country on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:51 am

  38. Kieran Gilbert ‏ @Kieran_Gilbert
    T Abbott heckled by a worker at CRT as he campaigns on carbon tax – how will you pay for 70 billion dollars? You’re the liar #auspol

    6m Simon Cullen ‏ @Simon_Cullen
    Tony Abbott is visiting a building supplies business in Canberra. He was heckled by a worker who said the visit was just a media stunt

    Workers of Australia unite – if Monkey Man visits your place of employment telling lies about government programs shout him down. Call him a liar and laugh in his face. You know it’s the right thing to do.

    by Tom Hawkins on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:52 am

  39. lizzie:

    General rule of thumb with these irrelevent issues: the harder the Liberals and their shills in the media and here have to work to beat up something, the more of a fringe issue it really is.

    by confessions on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:53 am

  40. Wayne Swan to FM and Stephen Smith to Treasury….Crean to Veterans Affairs and Combet to Defence…… :)

    briefly

    Square pegs in square holes and round pegs in round holes. I do like your suggested line up.

    by Tom Hawkins on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:54 am

  41. OC @ 3636

    Charlie Teo was my assistant early in his career. As the boy so the man

    So I should entrust my brain to you if it ever needs a bit of work done on it?

    by bemused on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:55 am

  42. No our paths separated. Charlie is a good neurosurgeon but he is not the messiah. When I knew him he was a very naughty boy.

    by Oakeshott Country on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:56 am

  43. @Pegasus/3631,

    Assange is no more important then the next guy like Kim Dotcom (megaupload founder) – who’s actually able to defend himself and doesn’t need Green’s party or anyone else to help him.

    So stop playing games, and start defending joe public again.

    by zoidlord on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:57 am

  44. bemused,

    Only if he wants to make Pumpkin Soup.

    by Greensborough Growler on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:57 am

  45. Andrew YES you are correct.

    The PM promised to price carbon… DONE!

    The PM proposed, not promised, an East Timor solution… Malaysia deal DELIVERED!

    The PM promised Wilkie action on problem gambling… MORE ACTION THAN ANYONE ELSE!

    The only ones to report the above as LIES are the NOALITION and their MSM cheersquad!

    Something must be done about the media, IT’S TIME!

    by Centre on Mar 1, 2012 at 12:00 pm

  46. Well, just found that the Indies speech has been reported:

    http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/nbn-carbon-price-to-stay-independents-20120229-1u2w5.html

    However, the froth and bubble about the PM goes on at the OO:

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/bob-carr-at-odds-with-julia-gillard-on-ministry-bid/story-fn59niix-1226285979385

    Funnily enough, Steven Smith has actually done the FM job before, is known in that capacity overseas, and i cant see how he would be a bad choice for the job?

    This seems to me the most obvious case recently of the press hacks making much ado about, well, nothing? They seem intent on trying to do trivial “gotchas” to do with a ministry reshuffle and a senate appointment. Meanwhile, the NPC speeches yesterday which were about how our first minority Federal govt in a while is working out or not (hey guys!! an issue that is pretty politically significant maybe!!!) gets little analysis or reporting.

    For Dogs sake ABC, bring back Kerry to 7:30 at least!! This drought of reporting on anything other than fluff is getting mind numbing.

    by imacca on Mar 1, 2012 at 12:09 pm

  47. [The US version of Australias own Bushfire Bill.

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/201202290016#.T0688-Wiwhk.twitter

    Except that the usual conduit is a question in QT that starts, “I refer the Prime Minister to a report in The Australian this morning…”.

    I’m sure there ARE “Pundit Preps” sent around in Australia too, though. The journos like to run a fiction that they get these stories themselves. The phone from Lib HQ never rings, there is never any workshopping of any of it. It just… writes itself. Which is why they all ask the same questions and all write the same columns, pushing the same memes.

    The current one happens to be, “Julia Gillard is unfit to be PM because she can’t stop us saying she’s unfit to be PM.”

    Nice and circular, that one. It’s up to JG to convince the journosphere that she’s has authority. They’ll never admit that, so then they can write she doesn’t have any authority.

    I don’t know for sure, but I bet she didn’t know there was a DennisTest she had to conform to over Monday night and into Tuesday. Just as Grattan’s “Tests” would be equally unknown to her. If she contradicts a Shanahan article then he gives her both barrels. How dare she!

    Dennis wrote an article based on NO SOURCES saying Carr had been invited to become FM. He omitted to mention that the person who “invited” him did not have the authority to do so. But the implication was clear: it was Gillard (maybe through a conduit, Distyani) who had issued the invitation. This was certainly Alan Jones’ take on it. A NSW party functionary invites Carr to Canberra, therefore it was Gillard acting through that functionary who did it.

    When she denies it, she’s lying, just like all the other lies (Carbon Tax, Rudd Coup, Australia Day)… all stories based on flimsy evidence and hearsay, but bootstrapped into the realm of truth by ceaseless repetition.

    The word that irked Shanahan was “completely” in “completely untrue”. He wrote the story to make it look like she had directly asked Carr to be FM, without actually saying that specifically, leaving it as a generalization in order to muddy the waters.

    So, in that context, the story was completely untrue. But in DennisWorld, she must deny the story in his terms, not hers. If she disappoints Dennis, she has failed as Prime Minister.

    We are now at the stage where the journalists are saying that they are there to be impressed, and if they are not (which they never are) this in itself is enough to fault Gillard.

    She has lost the confidence of the commentariat. It’s that simple. And for that she must go (according to them). No correspondence – with the party, or the people (who voted for the hung parliament) – will be entered into.

    It’s a fantastically cheap and elegant way to condemn anyone: the media makes the decision, and the government falls. No facts or named sources are required. The media are the legislators (they make up the rules and the tests), judges (they adjudicate the proceedings) and jury (they determine whether she has passed or failed their tests).

    by Bushfire Bill on Mar 1, 2012 at 12:09 pm

  48. Farr’s article seems factual as well as fair. Well done, Mal.

    by lizzie on Mar 1, 2012 at 12:09 pm

  49. Juliar has been called out AGAIN as a monumental liar.

    The former Premier accepted (the offer of FM) and he booked his flight to Canberra. If nothing had happened, why would the former Premier of New South Wales book his flight to Canberra? On Tuesday morning, senior cabinet ministers told the Prime Minister that this just wasn’t on. But they did not just tell the Prime Minister, they leaked to the Sydney Morning Herald. Then, having bullied and leaked, they successfully intimidated the Prime Minister into withdrawing the offer. The final act in this sorry story: Sam Dastyari called Bob Carr to say that the Senate spot would go to someone else after all.

    Why won’t she deny this in parliament???

    by Desert Fox on Mar 1, 2012 at 12:09 pm

  50. OK my tips;

    - Combet to defence,
    - Smith to foreign affairs,

    - Swan STAYS treasurer :P for sure,

    and, the next big scandal against the PM;

    - Julia is over heard making noises of sexual release in the womens toilet at parliament house.

    Remeber you read it here first :cool:

    by Centre on Mar 1, 2012 at 12:10 pm

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