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Morgan face-to-face: 52-48 to Coalition

Last weekend’s Morgan face-to-face survey echoed other polls conducted at the time in showing little change on earlier polling despite Labor’s leadership turmoil, though as always it failed to echo other polls in having Labor’s primary vote several points higher. In this case Labor’s primary vote was up half a point on the previous week to 37.5 per cent, with the Coalition also up a point to 42.5 per cent and the Greens down 3.5 per cent from an anomalous 14.5 per cent last time. As usual with Morgan (though not Nielsen), there was a substantial difference between the two-party preferred results as derived by respondent allocation (52-48 to the Coalition) and using preference flows from the previous election (50-50).

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  1. Just on Jacko’s call for impartiality in our ABC presenters, i might take issue with many on here about Lyndal Curtis.

    I understand that she might be married to a New limited hack but form my observances it is difficult to ascertain any partisan leanings in her work.

    She is polite to her interviewees and seeks to provide context and does probe on policy as well as of course the political.

    If I had a criticism is that in being polite and respectful she eschews the chance to be more dogmatic in pursuit of an answer, but there is no reason why you cant have different styles of reporters seeking different outcomes.

    As a final point, what a pleasure to hear the Geraldine Dooge/Bob Carr interview. Grace, humor, research and knowledge of the subject.

    by gough1 on Mar 3, 2012 at 6:26 pm

  2. Victoria cited

    Mr Carr replaces Kevin Rudd, who was demoted to the backbench after losing Monday’s leadership ballot to Ms Gillard.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-03-03/carr-tells-labor-to-stop-27gabbing27-to-the-media/3866696

    Another Lie from the ABC. Rudd was NOT demoted. He went into voluntary exile, ANNOUNCING he’s retire to the backbench if he didn’t win leadership.

    Journalists and presenters constantly, on TV and in print, accuse the PM of things she did not say or do – any old lie as long as it detracts from her credibilty. The worst example is the deliberately dishonest misrepresentation of the PM’s no tax on carbon as synonymous with no price on carbon. It is not synonymous. In fact, it’s nothing like synonymous!

    If people bothered to look up the difference between a government TAX, and a PRICE FOR an Internationally tradeable commodity, they’d know that she has NOT lied.

    CP is part of an International Trading system (ETS/ Carbon Credits) that’s existed for several years, somewhat similar to the International trade in bonds: a system in which people can make profits on their priced carbon credits. Indeed, with the A$ high against devalued currencies of UK and Eurozone, those countries’ Carbon Credits are being snapped up (by Chinese, Indians & others as well as Aussies), often at rock bottom prices. Eventually, the GFC will be over, price will rise again and they’ll make a killing.

    A TAX is an impost paid to the government. It can’t be traded. No one can make a killing on the Carbon Price of a Tax, as, unlike Carbon Credits taxes are not bought, sold or traded internationally.

    Julia Gillard is incorrectly maliged as a liar, by people, including the Opposition, other LNP members & supporters, journalists and shock jocks who are perfectly aware of the truth about Carbon pricing , yet lie their heads off about it, while still slandering the PM as a liar.

    it’s the sort of deliberate Big Goebellian LIE they wouldn’t be game try on any male PM – Keating, Hawke, Fraser, Whitlam, McMahon, Gorton, Menzies, Chifley, Curtin. But Julia Gillard is not part of the RW he-man establishment. As Bob Brown correctly remarked, there’s a great deal of male chauvenism in the way the Prime Minister is treated. And a great deal of blatant lying, slandering and deliberate misrepresentation of her in the hope he-man Abbott can restore the natural – male-dominated – order of things.

    by OzPol Tragic on Mar 3, 2012 at 6:29 pm

  3. Latest: Australia’s Beautiful Inspiring Set of Numbers (BISONs)

    http://afrankview.net/2012/03/australias-beautiful-inspiring-set-of-numbers-bisons/

    by The Finnigans on Mar 3, 2012 at 6:34 pm

  4. I’ve been a great fan of Emma’s for years.

    Her attitude of total amusement was something new. Comes from sitting in a studio rather than being out on the streets as she was for many years, I guess.

    by This little black duck on Mar 3, 2012 at 6:34 pm

  5. Joe6pack,

    hello,
    on a qld. election point I have decided to vote for the alp. I can not vote for Newman with all this cover up of his dodgy dealings and I cannot stomach the thought of uber-rich Clive Palmer running the state as he has tried to run the ffa.

    By the time polling day comes around there is going to be a lot more like you, Joe.

    Strangely enough, it was fair minded, honest, National Party supporters that have rejected the idea that the LNP have reformed to any degree from the Joh days and have kept Labor in government in Qld for all this time.

    The Borbage term just reinforced that they were not ready, especially with the agreement with the Police Union becoming public.

    The likes of Palmer just remind everyone that the LNP are easily bought off by the big end of town.

    by scorpio on Mar 3, 2012 at 6:36 pm

  6. Agree with gough1@2050 about Lyndal Curtis, she is a hard worker and a very capable reporter, delivering non-partisan contextual analysis at the drop of a hat. Its a skill requiring experience, and she is good at it.

    by susan winstanley on Mar 3, 2012 at 6:36 pm

  7. Finns,

    Cockles of the heart stuff.

    by This little black duck on Mar 3, 2012 at 6:36 pm

  8. j6p

    Good on you. I am somewhat puzzled as to why the QLD LNP chose to have Campbell as their leader. Did they not check his Background?

    by victoria on Mar 3, 2012 at 6:38 pm

  9. Joe i dont post here any more, but just for i will ,good on u joe , u show so much more commonsence :-) :-) :-) than so many people i have come across , great ambassaor for seing things as they are

    by my say on Mar 3, 2012 at 6:38 pm

  10. susan,

    Wonder Woman has a problem in that the ABC has cast her into the purveyor of the you-have-just-been-watching stuff. No half-decent presenter should be asked to do that.

    by This little black duck on Mar 3, 2012 at 6:40 pm

  11. I don’t think Alberici had an “attitude”, she just forcefully demanded a bit of truthfulness (although she virtually had to shout over Pyne’s rant to get his attention).

    by lizzie on Mar 3, 2012 at 6:41 pm

  12. u show so much more commonsence than so many people

    as do you my say.

    by This little black duck on Mar 3, 2012 at 6:41 pm

  13. tlbd

    Curtis does it a whole lot better than O’Brien.

    by lizzie on Mar 3, 2012 at 6:42 pm

  14. lizzie,

    Emma doesn’t have an attitude in the sense of, say, Tony Jones having a look-at-me-attitude.

    If you have watched her reports from overseas you’ll know that she suits her demeanour to the occasion. She got it right with Mr Pyne last night.

    by This little black duck on Mar 3, 2012 at 6:45 pm

  15. Bushfire ‏ @BushfireBill

    @Glowworm532 @abcmarkscott @Lateline @MrDenmore Must be some mistake "Chris Pyne" confused with "Chris Pwned". More please, Emma.

    And I’m luvin’ it, BB. Just Luuuuving it!

    by OzPol Tragic on Mar 3, 2012 at 6:45 pm

  16. lizzie,

    WW has not been asked to do the longer interviews that Kerry O’Brien used to do; not that I have seen.

    by This little black duck on Mar 3, 2012 at 6:47 pm

  17. It’s a shame that Emma Alberici will most likely be purged from the ABC if the Liberals come to power.

    The sheer nerve of holding a Liberal Shadow Minister under scrutiny.

    Having been in the UK where journalist actually ask real questions of politicians it appears she is actually bringing this standard to bear on Aust politician. Pyne was dumfounded, he couldn’t just sprout the liberal propaganda and talking points. hopefully this is the first of many journalist putting the acid on the coalition and what policies they have but I won’t hold my breath.

    by the spectator on Mar 3, 2012 at 6:50 pm

  18. Good on you. I am somewhat puzzled as to why the QLD LNP chose to have Campbell as their leader. Did they not check his Background?

    They picked him because they had a brain fart and Palmer wanted him.
    There is still huge resentment between the nationals and liberals in Qld. despite what they try and say..
    The Libs think they are in charge but the nats hold the real power. this is the reason one P Dutton failed in his bid to relocate to the gold coast . He lost pre-selection because the nats didn,t want him.

    A Bligh made a very smart move in calling a long election time , as the longer it goes, on the more exposed newman becomes and the more Clive palmer implodes the better for the alp.

    by Joe6pack on Mar 3, 2012 at 6:52 pm

  19. tlbd @ 2063

    Agree. I’ve always enjoyed her overseas stuff and she’s definitely one up on T Jones. I “liked” him until his ego expanded on QandA.

    by lizzie on Mar 3, 2012 at 6:53 pm

  20. TLBD

    I think Lizzie meant Joe O Brien but I stand to be corrected.

    by gough1 on Mar 3, 2012 at 6:53 pm

  21. gough

    yes. joe. Didn’t understand tlbd’s comment about WW.

    by lizzie on Mar 3, 2012 at 6:54 pm

  22. Just flicked on ABC TV prior to the news to find that they are showing Minder: no Terry, no Arfur, shot with videotape, smarmy guitar music…

    IS NOTHING SACRED?<

    by Bushfire Bill on Mar 3, 2012 at 6:56 pm

  23. I take some of my previous comment back about {The New} Minder… same music, re-orchestrated.

    Also was pleased to see that “The Club” is in it too (sadly no “Dave” behind the bar).

    Is the hero still “Terry”, and the boss still “Arfur”?

    Seems I may gone off half-cocked (rare for me, I know, but there you go, there’s a first time for everything).

    by Bushfire Bill on Mar 3, 2012 at 7:00 pm

  24. Still burping up falafel. Great lunch!

    I am trying the kebabs next time :)

    by Joe6pack on Mar 3, 2012 at 7:01 pm

  25. Still burping up falafel. Great lunch!

    I am trying the kebabs next time :)

    “Are you, Sir, questioning a Bushfire recommendation?”

    by Bushfire Bill on Mar 3, 2012 at 7:04 pm

  26. Is bob Carr really that good a choice to be FM?
    He left the nsw premiers job because he knew it was going down the dunny and what real experience has he had in FA.

    by Joe6pack on Mar 3, 2012 at 7:05 pm

  27. gough1

    not thwack, but pious twaddle from a religio journalist moralising from vague ecclesiastical certitudes about things close to home. nothing in it but the vain vilification that has typified sections of alp on kr.

    if there is a ruddista camp here count me in. i still putting odds on the second coming, talk about messiah.

    by geoffrey on Mar 3, 2012 at 7:05 pm

  28. “Are you, Sir, questioning a Bushfire recommendation?”

    No, Not at all I am just thinking of experiencing something different next time.
    I enjoyed it a lot even though I only had 2 peppers :)

    by Joe6pack on Mar 3, 2012 at 7:09 pm

  29. thank you joe6pack

    the first perceptive comment (that i have read) against carr (aprt from own hesistant efforts midst the champagne) – esp his record or exit from nsw. jumped before the wreck of the train he built. nothing much but spin and attitude and old fashioned conservative economics (a few national parks true). all things new will be old again – but the next wreck he wont be able to avoid.

    at least the opposition to JG is within the ranks. that is the good news of this week.

    by geoffrey on Mar 3, 2012 at 7:09 pm

  30. Whisky, tango foxtrot?
    Why is Newman Inc. attacking Bob Carr? Newman Inc. might be giving up on Queensland Premier and heading for PM.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/carr-hits-phones-plans-nz-trip/story-fn59niix-1226288046710

    by steve on Mar 3, 2012 at 7:11 pm

  31. finns

    Latest: Australia’s Beautiful Inspiring Set of Numbers (BISONs)

    And updated on The Derp as well – http://bit.ly/yhG6DD

    by Dan Gulberry on Mar 3, 2012 at 7:11 pm

  32. OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG

    Spooks returns for S10 on ABC1 tonight

    OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG

    by Dan Gulberry on Mar 3, 2012 at 7:17 pm

  33. Just heard BobCarr classifying a future Abbott govt as “chaotic and…”
    Anyone else get the other two words? It was delicious putdown.

    by lizzie on Mar 3, 2012 at 7:19 pm

  34. J6p

    You are right to observe that the FA proof will be in Carr’s pudding.

    OTOH, we already know that Ms Bishop is worse than clueless, FA-wise.

    by Boerwar on Mar 3, 2012 at 7:21 pm

  35. j6p

    Appreciate the insights. I have mentioned your voting intentions to ru at Frank’s site.

    by victoria on Mar 3, 2012 at 7:23 pm

  36. BW

    Or you might say she knows FA about FA.

    by Dan Gulberry on Mar 3, 2012 at 7:23 pm

  37. Viscious was one of them

    by Oakeshott Country on Mar 3, 2012 at 7:24 pm

  38. DG

    Spooks is the best!!

    by victoria on Mar 3, 2012 at 7:25 pm

  39. And erratic was the other. Dangerous may have got a run as well.

    by gough1 on Mar 3, 2012 at 7:26 pm

  40. They are talking about Degan I think which has had training tracks for many years. I guess the real estate around has become too valuable for development

    David

    (1) Deagon {sic} has had stables (lots of them once) and a track forever – see below – at least since I was a little girl in the 1940s. Nearby Moreton Bay beaches are great for exercising horses.

    (2) That whole area (esp Shorncliffe) has gone from being Seaside Paradise full of summer houses and elegant guest houses (late C19 until surf beaches on the N & S Coasts opened again after WW II munitions etc were cleared) then semi/slum area (late 1950s to c1980) then increasingly up-market – though the Deagon area was swampy and insect-infested. Bayside areas have Briz’s best climate – sea breezes! The big Masonic Retirement centre (built in 1950 + later additions, and now a Chinese Taoist centreMosquito control, flyscreens and aircon etc have seen them go from working class (or unemployed) to prof middle class; though I’d be wary of the old Wallum Swamp areas with seepage/ waterlogging problems

    History of Deagon
    Deagon was originally inhabited by the Jagera and Turrbal Aboriginal people. European settlement began in 1887 following the construction of the railway line to Shorncliffe. The suburb was named for William Deagon who was a Sandgate businessman and later mayor of the shire. Development of the area proceeded slowly and it was not until 1947 that the suburb gained its own post office. Today, Deagon is an attractive northern suburb of Brisbane known for its proximity to Moreton Bay, and for its large and pleasant parks and reserves.

    Info from http://www.rent-a-home.com.au/accommodation/qld/deagon_accommodation.html

    Landmark in Deagon
    One of the most prominent landmarks of Deagon is the Ching Chung Taoist Temple which sits beside the Gateway Motorway. Built in 1991, the temple is a major spiritual destination and a significant drawcard for visitors to the area.

    ***** Deagon Racecourse is also a major feature of the suburb and sits to the north of the suburb. Competitive racing ceased in 1941, however the track has long been a popular training and stabling facility. Deagon is also notable for its parks, reserves and wetlands including Deagon Wetlands Reserve, Fitzgibbon Park and Brighton Park. ]

    Used to have crab (muddies) pots everywhere in the creeks; prawn trawlers ties up in creek mouths; great fishing; great bay beaches for little kids – though the Redcliffe area beaches were better.

    by OzPol Tragic on Mar 3, 2012 at 7:27 pm

  41. I am eagerly awaiting the Bob Carr slapdown of Campbell Newman. Campbell behaves like a Beverly Hills chihuahua – preening, then up on his soapbox, yap, yap, yap, then runs away. Pathetic.

    by Luckydave on Mar 3, 2012 at 7:27 pm

  42. I have strong reservations about Bob Carr’s record, however I think it’s reasonable to say that being in charge of Foreign Affairs is quite different to being Premier or Prime Minister. It’s a much narrower focus, it’s largely out of the limelight and it doesn’t have those big budgetary conflicts between infrastructure, recurrent expenditure and taxation … also it’s hard to do a Laura Norder auction from FA…

    So yeah, I don’t think he can do a lot of damage, and his intellectualism and communication skills will shine in the new job.

    The other big plus I see with Bob Carr in FA is that there is likely to be more robust discussion about some topics than we have seen recently in cabinet – the Middle East and Julian Assange are likely to be “recalibrated” which has got to be a good thing. The relationship with the US should be a little more honest. Cross fingers.

    We’ll see over time …

    by Jackol on Mar 3, 2012 at 7:28 pm

  43. OzPol Tragic earlier you suggested that Askin was the most corrupt premier ever seen.

    How was he more corrupt than some of the Victorian premiers of its land boom years like Thomas Bent, sure many pollies have offered port to the voters but not sure how many premiers have pork bellied their own property like Bent is reported to have done

    by mexicanbeemer on Mar 3, 2012 at 7:29 pm

  44. “Are you, Sir, questioning a Bushfire recommendation?”

    No, Not at all I am just thinking of experiencing something different next time.
    I enjoyed it a lot even though I only had 2 peppers :)

    So I ate all my own peppers, and yours, and Maxine’s too? So you wanna make a federal case outa it?

    It took me 30 years to get my stomach conditioned to Abdul’s peppers. I gotta be good at sumpin.

    And you call yourself “Joe6pak”… leave your tummy in Rocky next time.

    BB has spake.

    :)

    by Bushfire Bill on Mar 3, 2012 at 7:30 pm

  45. Newman made the classic Liberal error today. He called J B-P corrupt.

    Katter has gone ballistic, talking of an outsider pissing on Joh’s grave, I reckon he has gifted the National Party vote to Katter.

    Silly man.

    by ruawake on Mar 3, 2012 at 7:31 pm

  46. George analyses Pynes performance last night.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/64041833@N04/6948463941/sizes/l/in/photostream/

    by Greensborough Growler on Mar 3, 2012 at 7:32 pm

  47. vic

    re Spooks:

    Yep. Already seen a “norty” copy of the s10 dvd – not great quality, but good enough.

    Don’t worry no spoilers from me, other than to say the body count continues. :wink:

    This is the last season as well.

    by Dan Gulberry on Mar 3, 2012 at 7:33 pm

  48. ru,

    Great summary. Do you have a link?

    by Greensborough Growler on Mar 3, 2012 at 7:33 pm

  49. pNewman made the classic Liberal error today. He called J B-P corrupt.

    Katter has gone ballistic, talking of an outsider pissing on Joh’s grave, I reckon he has gifted the National Party vote to Katter.

    Silly man.]

    The chooks are restless.

    by Bushfire Bill on Mar 3, 2012 at 7:35 pm

  50. lizzie
    Posted Saturday, March 3, 2012 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think Alberici had an “attitude”, she just forcefully demanded a bit of truthfulness (although she virtually had to shout over Pyne’s rant to get his attention).

    Pyne had plenty of *time* to put his side of things and to rant. He got more than a fair go overall.

    The thing that stood out was that Emma was prepared for the interview and challenged him on a number of occasions with *facts* when he tried to verbal people and to straight out lie.

    Amazing that we all regard the fact that he was *challenged* as unusual.

    May there be much more of it.

    by dave on Mar 3, 2012 at 7:35 pm

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