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Morgan phone poll: 57-43 to Coalition

Roy Morgan has simultaneously published phone and face-to-face poll results. The phone poll was conducted from Tuesday to Th

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Roy Morgan has simultaneously published phone and face-to-face poll results. The phone poll was conducted from Tuesday to Thursday from a modest sample of 697, with a margin of error a bit below 4%. This tells very much the same story as other recent phone polling: Labor on 30%, the Coalition on 47.5% and the Greens on 11.5%. As is generally the case with phone polling, the two-party result is much the same whether determined by respondent allocation (57-43 to the Coalition) or applying the preference distribution from the last election (56-44).

The phone poll also gauged opinion on global warming and the carbon tax. On global warming, 35% believe concerns exaggerated, up three on October last year; 50% opted for “if we don’t act now it will be too late”, up six points; and 12% chose “it is already too late”, down eight points. Support for the carbon tax was at 34.5%, down 2.5%, with opposition up two to 59%. Support for the Coalition’s promise to repeal the tax if elected was up four points to 49% with opposition down five to 43%.

The face-to-face poll combines results from the last two weekends of Morgan’s regular surveying, with a sample of 1770. On the primary vote, this has Labor down a point on the previous survey to 31%, the Coalition up two to 46.5% and the Greens down half a point to 12.5%. As usual with these polls, and in contrast to the phone poll result, the difference between the two measures of the two-party result is cavernous (though terrible for Labor either way): 55-45 using the previous election method, but 59.5-40.5 using respondent allocation.

UPDATE: Spur212 in comments points out the following fascinating finding on the question of “who do you think will win”, which I normally don’t even bother to look at. Since the last Morgan phone poll in early February – before the Kevin Rudd leadership challenge – expectations of a Labor win have plummeted from 31% to 14%, while the Coalition has soared from 57% to 76.5%.

Also:

• The ABC reports that Dean Smith, a lobbyist and former adviser to former WA Premier Richard Court and federal MP Bronwyn Bishop, has been preselected for the third position on the WA Liberals’ Senate ticket at the election, behind incumbents David Johnston and Michaelia Cash. This makes it likely, though apparently not quite certain, that he will fill the casual vacancy created by the death on March 31 of Judith Adams.

• The Liberal member for Hume, Alby Schultz, has made long-anticipated announcement that he will retire at the next election. This sets the scene for what promising to be a bruising contest for the seat between the Liberals and Schultz’s bitter enemy, the Nationals. Imre Salusinszky of The Australian reports relations between the two have fractured over the Liberals’ moves to preselect candidates ahead of time in anticipation of a potential early election. The Nationals say this dishonours an agreement that preselections would wait until the two parties had reached their agreement determining which seats would be contested by which parties and the order of the Coalition Senate ticket, which has not left them of a mind to leave Hume to the Liberals. The most widely mooted potential Liberal candidate has been Angus Taylor, a 45-year-old Sydney lawyer, Rhodes Scholar and triathlete. Taylor is said to be close to Malcolm Turnbull, and to have the backing of Schultz. For the Nationals’ part, it has long been suggested that Senator Fiona Nash might try her hand at the seat, and The Australian now reports that Katrina Hodgkinson, state Primary Industry Minister and member for Burrinjuck, might also be interested.

Imre Salusinszky and James Massola of The Australian further report that friction between the Liberals and Nationals in NSW might further see the Nationals field a candidate in Gilmore, where Liberal member Joanna Gash is retiring (and where one of the Liberal preselection candidates is Alby Schultz’s son Grant), and Farrer, which Sussan Ley gained for the Liberals when Tim Fischer retired in 2001.

• The Liberal preselection for Gilmore will be held tomorrow. Notwithstanding the aforementioned candidacy of Grant Schultz, The Australian reports it is “considered a close contest between local councillor Anne Sudmalis, who is close to Ms Gash, and education administrator Andrew Guile, who is supported by local state MP Gareth Ward”.

William Bowe — Editor of The Poll Bludger

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Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, is one of the most heavily trafficked forums for online discussion of Australian politics, and joined the Crikey stable in 2008.

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3,538 thoughts on “Morgan phone poll: 57-43 to Coalition

  1. leone

    So Whynie Pynie wants an election. Could it have anything to do with his confession ages ago that he only entered politics because he wanted to be prime minister?
    http://www.vexnews.com/2009/02/pyne-v-bernardi-liberal-frontbenchers-at-war-over-party-loyalty/

    It’s not just Robb and Hockey who are sharpening their knives in anticiapation of a leadership change. Whynie’s got his knife out too.

  2. bemused

    TLM @ 3200

    Oakeshott & Windsor are hanging on for dear life to Gillard, because they know that they’ll be the first casulties if there’s an early election.
    Those two are more about their own self interest than ideals.

    That is just a dopey statement Evan.

    If they were only acting in self interest they would have backed Tone to become PM after the 2010 election.

  3. victoria

    Goodness more drive by shootings in Sydney. What is going on?

  4. rosemour

    I’m looking beyond all this now.
    Once Abbott assumes the Priministership later this year – probably around september/October) he will finally come out as the total nutjob he is. Power will make him even crazier. The electorate will be absolutely stunned at the transformation and scared sh+tless. The ALP will assume their usual hippie-love-bead-supine-gutless-not-a-bloddy-clue mode of political strategics and the Abbott ‘government’ will limp on for a term only to lose in a landslide to an ALP Green coalition government in late 2015.
    Well, that’s what I saw in my coffee grounds this morning.

  5. guytaur

    TLM

    The thing Windsor and Oakshott know is that integrity wins more votes than any amount of political games.

    It is in fact why the whole Slipper thing is tainting all politicians. It questions the integrity of all. It is just the Coalition is too stupid to see that.

  6. guytaur

    victoira

    Bikie gangs importing US culture. They think “Sons of Anarchy” is a reality show.

  7. victoria

    guytaur

    Dear me. They had better sort it out, some innocent bystander is going to get hurt

  8. This little black duck

    ABC24 replayed a bit of Emmo. He wasn’t holding back.

    Now showing Pyne with his “more in sorrow than in anger” drivel.

  9. shellbell

    Victoria

    Letters of demand are a bit passe although in QLD (state claims) there are a stack of requirements before you kick off proceedings for personal injuries.

    The same situation may not apply for federal claims

  10. This little black duck

    Hollande 28% Sarkozy 26%.

  11. guytaur

    victoria

    We may get lucky. One of the innocent may be Mr Tony Abbott on his way to a life saving carnival.

  12. kezza2

    [Bushfire Bill
    Posted Monday, April 23, 2012 at 10:06 am | Permalink
    Where is James Ashby?

    Why has no-one interviewed him?

    He can’t be all that shy, as he gave advance notice of his court filings to Steve Lewis?

    Why so quiet now?

    Where is he?]
    Give him a break, BB

    He’s probably stitching the evidence together – like that item of clothing he ripped up after Slipper “spitefully” taunted him about looking fat in a new purple shirt he had bought in Canberra.

    Especially considering that Tim (third person) thought Ashby was a nice twink!

    “Twink” is a gay slang term describing a young or young-looking gay man (18–21 age category) with a slender, ectomorph build, little or no body hair, and no facial hair. Someone older than 21 with similar looks and build is said to be “twinkish.”

  13. victoria

    kezza2

    This whole thing is quite laughable actually.

  14. guytaur

    kezza and BB

    The whole text conversation thing is very unclear. We know Mr Ashby is gay. We do not know that Mr Slipper is. Straight friends have asked gay people what they are into before.

  15. Tricot

    Keep your chin up MM

    Actually, I think you are looking through the glass darkly.

    It is true the polls are not good for the progressives at the moment, and a current election would see a wipe out based on the so-called voting intentions.

    Whiney Piney was a wishin’ and a hopin’ and a prayin’ for an “election now” right this morning. Of course!

    Into its 7th year in office in 2013, Labor would have to fight for a next term regardless.

    Political conditions in Oz have not been this way for nearly 70 years and most of the electorate find it hard to cope with a finely balanced situation. They like to get a “winner” at an election, let them get on with it, for good or bad, then either reaffirm or chuck out next time around.

    After 2010 a set of circumstances arose which has run counter to this comfortable view of the political world by Joe Voting Public.

    On the other hand, most people most of the time, pay little or no heed to politics.

    This whole Slipper thing, for instance, has washed over the public in 3-4 days I would guess, 75% of the electorate have only taken a passing interest in it. The sex thing they like, the ramifications they really don’t get.

    What is said about a continuing “sense of crisis” is partly correct.

    There is no real crisis of course, but plenty of distractions – which, when a government is living from day to day, is something an opposition – and an unprincipled media – can play with.

    At the outset in 2010, many wise commentators said we would be in for a rough ride, while others said the polls would be poor for months.

    These predictions are true and will continue to be until the next election.

    Labor will have to battle to stay on its feet for the remainder of its term. The fact that it has, and is likely to do so – with an ounce of luck – will be looked on in years to come as a great achievement.

    The old cliche is that a week is a long time in politics, but it is a truism.

    Was it not so long ago the conservative press were gloating about the demise of the Left in Europe – especially in the UK, France and Germany?

    Right now it would seem the the current President of France could be replaced by somebody from the Left, I don’t think the next leader in Germany will be from the Right and I gather the bottom has fallen out for the Conservatives in opinion polls in the UK.

    And to top the list off, I would be surprised to see a Republican in the White House after November.

    As I said, a week is a long time in politics. Most of politics is a circus.

  16. guytaur

    tricot

    One reason why Tasmania may not have so dire polls for the government is they have had over a decade of experience with minority government.

  17. drowner

    Why do the french do second round elections?

    Surely having preferences would be a much, much better idea. Even optional preferences.

  18. BH

    DannyL – I thought Abbott said that he would approve $1 limit machines and that was what Wilkie asked for in the first place, I think.

  19. guytaur

    drowner

    The French voting system is adapting to modern times from a very old one. As such it is more difficult to do voting reform.

    Just look at the Federal Voting System in Australia. Any reform of that is always greeted with suspicion. What are politicians trying to cheat us with now?

  20. janice2

    Goodness more drive by shootings in Sydney. What is going on?

    Must be PM Gillard’s fault. 🙁 Note that Fatty O’Barrell isn’t being put to question about Law and Order issues as would a Labor Govt.

    I seem to remember a lot of criticism re state governments coming down hard on bikie gangs awhile back.

  21. BH

    [Paul Bongiorno ‏ @PaulBongiorno
    The worst case scenario for Labor fronting today’s SMH is intriguing. Just who is the nameless senior Labor strategist and his agenda?]

    What is this about? Has anybody read the article?

  22. Tricot

    rosemoor

    Change your brand of coffee.

  23. guytaur

    J2

    BOF is getting a hard time about Bikie Gangs. He has put legislation in place. Everyone is waiting to see what legal action is taken and decision by the High Court as a consequence.

  24. middle man

    Thanks tricot. I’ll try. The Reds losing on Friday night meant the weekend didnt start well… and then to wake up to this saturday morning… grrrrrrr….. 🙁

  25. guytaur

    BH

    It is front page of SMH. Apparently has been discussed here on PB. My take is that it is a strategic leak to make voters wake up.
    Those of the view that bemused has espoused would see this as a good thing. It says to voters all or nothing. Get Abbott and you lose the NBN and the rest.

  26. mari

    [rosemour
    Posted Monday, April 23, 2012 at 10:37 am | Permalink
    I’m looking beyond all this now.
    Once Abbott assumes the Priministership later this year – probably around september/October) he will finally come out as the total nutjob he is. Power will make him even crazier. The electorate will be absolutely stunned at the transformation and scared sh+tless. The ALP will assume their usual hippie-love-bead-supine-gutless-not-a-bloddy-clue mode of political strategics and the Abbott ‘government’ will limp on for a term only to lose in a landslide to an ALP Green coalition government in late 2015.
    Well, that’s what I saw in my coffee grounds this morning]

    With NewsLtd backing him ha ha.

  27. Von Kirsdarke

    Runoff French Presidential Election Polling, 22 April

    Ifop: 54.5-45.5 to Hollande vs. Sarkozy
    Ipsos: 54-46 to Hollande vs. Sarkozy
    CSA: 56-44 to Hollande vs. Sarkozy

    So if polls remain the way they are, Hollande will be elected in the May 6 election.

    It should be an interesting year in France. If the Socialist party (alone or with allies) win the 103 seats it needs in the Assembly to win a majority in the June elections, then the Left will hold the Senate, Assembly and the Elysée.

  28. Cuppa

    Guytaur,

    At the risk of appearing elitist would doubt the public is politically sophisticated enough to pick up on that. Most people care and know next to nothing about politics / policy.

    If that were different the political dynamics right now would be reversed.

  29. Gary

    [Once Abbott assumes the Priministership later this year – probably around september/October) he will finally come out as the total nutjob he is.]
    Don’t go betting your house on it. It sounds like you think Slipper is guilty on all counts. He doesn’t.

  30. joe2

    [It is in fact why the whole Slipper thing is tainting all politicians. It questions the integrity of all. It is just the Coalition is too stupid to see that.]

    The price is high when you deal with Murdoch but the fools only have their eyes on the trophy.

  31. guytaur

    Cuppa

    I agree with you. I do not see it that way myself. Was just pointing out some thinking on why the leak may have happened.

  32. Gary

    MM, I have a solution to reading the crap in the paper. Don’t.

  33. trawler

    I caught Emmo on Breakfast this morning. He did really well. I wish we saw performances like that from the Government more often.

  34. lizzie

    BH @ 3263

    Anyone interested in Lib machinations in Vic should read this.

  35. middle man

    Gary. thanks for the tip.

  36. Greensborough Growler

    Twitter reporting that Ashby has got himself an agent.

  37. victoria

    GG

    Someone mentioned something about that earlier.

  38. lizzie

    Grattan’s “crisis engulfs Labor” is typical of the msm treatment of politics atm.

  39. Cuppa

    Guytaur,

    Speaking generally and not specifically I’m dubious about “unnamed sources” for a number of reasons. It’s just another of the problems I have with so-called news media.

  40. shellbell

    [Twitter reporting that Ashby has got himself an agent.

    3275

    victoria

    Posted Monday, April 23, 2012 at 11:07 am | Permalink

    GG

    Someone mentioned something about that earlier.]

    See the great Shellbell at 3236

  41. guytaur

    GG

    Ashby should have done that before publication. A lawyer and an agent to protect his interests. He is dealing with the Murdoch Empire after all.

  42. victoria

    shellbell

    Ah it was you.

  43. guytaur

    Cuppa

    It is not like the polling information was kept secret. Someone from SMH could have been part of debate here on PB for example.

  44. Burgey

    Shellbell,

    There are costs ramifications if you don’t send a letter of demand off before suing someone. To the best of my knowledge they apply in the Federal jurisdiction too.

  45. guytaur

    @shellbell

    LOL like the modesty.

  46. shellbell

    Burgey

    That is certainly the case in some jurisdictions and there is a Cth bill on this as well but I am not sure if it has come into law.

    I will look later.

  47. victoria

    Burgey

    Obviously this Ashby guy is financially well off, if he is able to engage an agent, and risk costs by not sending an initial letter of demand

  48. joe2

    Expect to find someone like Clive Palmer paying for the agent and the flash lawyer.

  49. Pegasus

    [It is in fact why the whole Slipper thing is tainting all politicians. It questions the integrity of all. It is just the Coalition is too stupid to see that.]
    The Slipper affair tarnishes the two major parties and reinforces the perception for many that both parties lack integrity.

    The Slipper affair does not reflect on the Greens Party parliamentarians at all.

    Reported comments from Christine Milne and Adam Bandt:
    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Slipper-stands-aside-until-claims-resolved-TLBMT?OpenDocument&src=am&utm_source=exact&utm_medium=email&utm_content=33708&utm_campaign=am&modapt=news
    [Australian Greens Leader Christine Milne said the speaker of the house was a “very senior role which must command respect”.

    “At the same time, the presumption of innocence must be respected,” she said in a statement.

    Adam Bandt, who represents the Greens in the lower house, said he respected Mr Slipper’s decision to stand down.

    But he warned against turning parliament into a court.

    “The separation of powers should be upheld,” he said.]

  50. leone

    trawler
    From what’s said in hereEmmo did a great job, but Sky News doesn’t see it that way. They are running on wtte Leading Labor Minister Doesn’t Trust Peter Slippper. Apparently Emmerson would not say he trusted Slipper during his interview this morning. That’s about it as far as Sky is concerned. Oh yes – and Emmo though Slipper had done a great job as speaker addded as an afterthought.

  51. CTar1

    Stanley Baldwin was Prime Minister of the United Kingdom on three separate occasions (1923-24, 1924-29 and 1935-37).

    His view of the Press:

    [He attacked the press lords for using “direct falsehood, misrepresentation, half-truths, the alteration of the speaker’s meaning … What the proprietorship of these papers is aiming at is power, but power without responsibility – the prerogative of the harlot through the ages.”]

    Nothing changes.

  52. This little black duck

    I haven’t seen any reference to Peter Slipper being “embattled” or “beleaguered” so it can’t be too serious.

  53. joe2

    [The Slipper affair does not reflect on the Greens Party parliamentarians at all.]

    Oh please, Pegasus, that is really silly spin. What Murdoch is up to is damaging for all.

  54. leone

    Ashby has got himself an agent because he’s now a ‘celebrity’. He’ll be appearing on Dancing With the Stars as soon as he can be assured that his costumes won’t make him look fat. He’ll have a special flattering costumes clause in his contract. He’s also looking at some mobile phone promotions with special emphasis on the text-saving ability and a new unbreakable case to ensure your phone survives the odd temper tantrum chucking. I believe he has also been approached to promote a new line in shower screens with modesty panels.

  55. my say

    Puff may i have your email address

  56. CTar1

    drowner

    French Elections – the first round knocks out the others and leaves on two for the second round. If anyone gets more that 60%, I think, in the first round there is no second round.

  57. guytaur

    I would not be surprised if Senator Conroy is in meetings with Senator Bob Brown looking at ways to strengthen legislation to hold the media to standards of truth, honesty accuracy, fairness to all especially when legal action has commenced.

    I am not saying this is happening. To put it shorter. Way to shoot yourself in the foot Murdoch Empire.

  58. my say

    I am baby looking after, every one seems so upset since i looked
    This moning. Has somthing else happened.

  59. guytaur

    Abbott on News24

    For those that can stomach it. New demands by Abbott probably coming re Slipper

  60. geoffrey

    middle man

    you are being pessimistic

    (consider the huge turnaround hawke gained post rejection of whitlam)

  61. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    On another topic, please read and circulate this SMH article. Forewarned is fore-armed. If anyone of your acquiantance is thinking of getting great returns while helping African charities through this guy, (named in the article as one Denis Fink), should be reading this tale.

    Bloody tragic.
    http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/lamb-to-the-slaughter-20120423-1xfvk.html

  62. mickt

    here comes abbott, any guesses on what he will say

  63. Pegasus

    joe2,

    That’s your opinion 😉

  64. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    My say.
    Of course.

  65. guytaur

    Lets see a brave journo ask Mr Abbott about Mr Windsors comments of bring it on the floor of Parliament.

    Will not hold my breath.

  66. lizzie

    Latika Bourke ‏ @latikambourke
    Oppn Leader Tony Abbott – the PM doesn’t get it – she doesn’t understand how serious the allegations [against Peter Slipper] are.’

    1m Latika Bourke ‏ @latikambourke
    Oppn Leader Tony Abbott ‘it is vital, it is essential that all the various allegations be fully dealt with before he returns to the chair.’

    Subtext – the PM is an incompetent fool.

  67. BH

    leone – I didn’t hear Emmo say that he doesn’t trust Slipper. The interview is on the ABC site
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-23/emerson-hits-back-over-slipper/3965820

  68. guytaur

    BH

    Sky put words in Emo’s mouth.

  69. leone

    BH, he didn’t say that, but there was apparently some sort of gotcha question asked that he didn’t answer in the way they wanted. Just Sky yet again twisting words and making false implications.

  70. my say

    It makes me cry, ever since abbott been lotto
    Everyday one is on edge wondering which rabbitt is going to be pulled out of ahat.

    Sometimes i feel as though he has ruined my life and most caring people

    Howard did not have that effect on me. I was still jst getting on with life.

    With abbott i our life style is threatened. Would ever be able to vote hi m out.

    Sorry must be having a bad day.

  71. bemused

    guytaur @ 3262

    BH

    It is front page of SMH. Apparently has been discussed here on PB. My take is that it is a strategic leak to make voters wake up.
    Those of the view that bemused has espoused would see this as a good thing. It says to voters all or nothing. Get Abbott and you lose the NBN and the rest.

    I don’t think I have quite expressed that view, but I do see the merit in it. I think others have been more explicit in expressing such views.

    I am all for ‘muscling up’ and getting stuck into the opposition in a very robust fashion.

  72. BH

    [Kevin Sheedy ‏ @Kevin_Sheedy
    Thank you to PM Julia Gillard for supporting the Prime Minister’s Cup between the GIANTS and Western Bulldogs at Manuka Oval this Saturday.
    Retweeted by Dafid]

    Onya Sheeds! I know he’s promoting GWS but he has stood up for the PM in the past.

  73. guytaur

    my say

    I hope your day improves 🙂

  74. leone

    Abbott’s favourite words seem to be ‘get it’. He now ‘gets it’ about child care. The PM doesn’t get it’ on just about everything. I think we all ‘get it’ that Tone is incapable of using words of more than one syllable.

  75. lizzie

    my say

    Agree with your comparison, although I felt unhappy the whole time Howard was PM. With Abbott, we are continually on the edge of a descent into some sort of Liberal hell. Not because of the PM, but because of the way the Lib caucus is behaving.

  76. victoria

    my say

    Chin up. The PM and DPM are currently overseas. Of course, the ratbags timed it perfectly to suit them.

    Slipper has so far done the right thing. See what happens next

  77. my say

    Guytaur me to

    For all our sake

    I trust your judgement whats your take on this please

    Also would rather be in melbourne so i know whats happening instead of waiting for phone call
    Re baby

  78. victoria

    my say

    Grandson is in good hands with his mum, and the Melbourne medicos.

  79. BH

    [In answer to a question about whether her surname had helped to secure the role, Ms Abbott responded via an email from her father’s office yesterday, saying: ”Of course.]

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-oversees-daughters-pr-20120331-1w52l.html#ixzz1sp5gaTtp

    ‘responded via an email from her father’s office’ So it’s OK for Abbott’s office to help with his daughter’s career. It’s not OK with me

  80. guytaur

    bemused

    I am sorry if I have misrepresented your views. MY memory was of your muscle up strategy and that included pointing out to voters what they would lose with Abbott as Prime Minister.
    If that memory is incorrect I do sincerely apologise.

  81. lizzie

    Oh, that’s the bloody end.
    [Latika Bourke ‏ @latikambourke
    Tony Abbott now pleading with Australians not to let their embarrassment of the Govt cloud their view of Australia.]

  82. middle man

    chin up my say. you always pull me up whenever i’m being pessimistic. dont let me down now!

  83. mickt

    thank god albo is on after abbott

  84. my say

    His other words are is listen

    All words as leonie says, also are of course used by this type of personality

    Better feed the toddler bye

  85. guytaur

    my say

    I think short term major damage to government. Long term I think major damage to News Limited. Outcome for Slipper and Ashby cloudy.

  86. victoria

    lizzie

    I have not bothered following Latika’s tweets since last week. She has been giving me the shits. She always telegraphs Abbott’s brainfarts, but nothing on govt announcing policies.

  87. Bushfire Bill

    This is “it”???

    “Sexual harassment”?

    This piece of fluff?

    Courtesy of the SMH’s reporter, Louise Hall.

    [Alleged text messages

    Mr Ashby claims that, on or about February 1, 2012, about 7pm, the following text message exchange took place after Mr Slipper did an interview with the Sunshine Coast Daily, against Mr Ashby’s advice.

    Mr Ashby: “You’re not funny! I can’t believe you called her! We’ll have to clean this mess up now!! F— f— f—“.

    Mr Slipper: “Relax my friend! x”.

    Mr Ashby: “It’s so very hard to when you care about the bloke they keeping f—– over. I hope like hell they don’t f— u over with this report.”

    Mr Slipper: “Xxx”.

    Mr Slipper: “Would be good if you here but perhaps we are not close enough?”

    {a few more messages are sent}

    At 10pm, the following text exchange allegedly took place:

    S: “Haha where’s Tim tonight?”

    A: “Missing”.

    S: “Gone to pick up lol”.

    S: “Do you think timbo is closer to me than you?”

    A: “Yeah but that’s to be expected. He’s known u longer. That sort of stuff doesn’t worry me.”

    S “Gone to prick {sic} up whom? And closer to you than pete?”

    A: “No he’s closer to u. I hardly know him”.

    A: “A random root lol”.

    A: “I gotta stop being rude to my friends. Text u when I leave”.

    S: “U getting roks off. Pity”.

    S: “If you interested we could be closer?”

    S:”?”

    A: “I think we’re good already. I’m happy seeing Tim being closest. I hate stepping on toes”.

    S: “:)”

    S: “Your call if u want to keep degrees of separation. No toes”.

    S: “I told him positrion {sic} open”.

    S: “But your call and no hard feelings in that you only want businesslike contact. In that event of the difficulty in our personla”.

    A: “I don’t know what type of contact you expect Peter. Perhaps u should define that u would like and I can then be clearer on my position.”

    S: “U want something more? U brillianmt {sic} at massages”.

    A: “No I’m happy the way things are. I care for u Pete but the massage is as far as it goes. Life’s a lot more simpler when it’s business and a few drinks after work”.

    S: “Oh”.

    S: “No problems and thanks for I”.

    A: “All good”.

    S: “Sorry things not working out but appreciate your frankness. In future in circumstances please arrange all communcoations”.

    S: “Thu tim as cannot guarantee availability. Sorry u missing syd harbour creises {sic: cruises}”.]

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/slipper-used-position-to-harass-staffers-court-documents-20120423-1xfty.html#ixzz1sp5X87B2

    Unbelieveable that this kind of ambiguous exchange was ever trumped up as “harassment”.

    And then this:

    [At the end of that week, Mr Ashby claims Mr Slipper made a “vindictive and deliberately spiteful” jibe about his weight, knowing that Mr Ashby previously had issues with his weight, saying “you look fat in that”.]

    LOL.

  88. guytaur

    mickt

    Yes. Albo the toxic antidote.

  89. middle man

    Latika Bourke ‏ @latikambourke
    Tony Abbott now pleading with Australians not to let their embarrassment of the Govt cloud their view of Australia.

    FMD!!! how dare he say that!! AAAAAARRRGGGHHHHH!!!!

  90. guytaur

    I wonder how BOF will respond to announcement of commencement of this project.

  91. my say

    Mm
    Do i i did not know that.

  92. BH

    [I am all for ‘muscling up’ and getting stuck into the opposition in a very robust fashion.]

    bemused – listen to the Emmo interview. He took exactly the right tack and if the media is not going to report the hypocrisy of the Oppn then Labor has to do it.

    I think it’s time, when the PM gets back, for her to keep on getting through her agenda but also to fire up a bit when policy is distorted by Abbott.

  93. Bushfire Bill

    [Mr Slipper: “Would be good if you here but perhaps we are not close enough?”]

    This, in the context of Slipper’s PR flack, Ashby, not being close enough to attend a press interview slipper was doing, is perfectly proper.

    F—, F—-, F—-: the media is dumb.

  94. BH

    [Lets see a brave journo ask Mr Abbott about Mr Windsors comments of bring it on the floor of Parliament.]

    Guytaur – Pyne’s line this morning was that the Opposition know that the Govt. is corrupt and incompetent, the public know what the Oppn thinks and it is now up to the Indies to bring on a vote of no confidence in the Govt. to show that they have integrity or wtte

  95. bemused

    guytaur @ 3319

    bemused

    I am sorry if I have misrepresented your views. MY memory was of your muscle up strategy and that included pointing out to voters what they would lose with Abbott as Prime Minister.
    If that memory is incorrect I do sincerely apologise.

    No apology sought or required.

    Just didn’t want to take credit for what others had said.

    But I am in agreement.

  96. guytaur

    Note I am wondering how BOF will react to this project.
    We know how the Fed Oppn will react. No Noo. Nooooo.

  97. joe2

    [That’s your opinion]

    It is, Pegasus.

    I never act as though I speak for a party. It could prove just as embarrassing as your amateurish attempt at Green p.r.

  98. lizzie

    victoria

    I think Latika leaves the real news to others 😀

  99. middle man

    My embarrassment of Abbott is clouding my view of Australia.

  100. This little black duck

    Latika Bourke ‏ @latikambourke
    Tony Abbott now pleading with Australians not to let their embarrassment of the Govt cloud their view of Australia.

    My pre-loved bum fodder has more class than Tony Abbott.

  101. Son of foro

    So the Canberra press gallery has officially given up and admitted that they are imcapable of understanding and writing about the budget. In its place they’ll dedicate acres of print space to the thrilling issue of ‘homosexual sex’, as the HUN calls it.

    We really are very poorly served by these jerks.

  102. bluegreen

    [Shane Wright ‏ @swrightwestoz
    PPI result way down on the market forecast for 0.5% increase in the quarter

    9m Shane Wright ‏ @swrightwestoz
    Fourth consecutive quarterly fall in PPI. Domestic prices down 0.1%, import prices down 1.5%

    10m Shane Wright ‏ @swrightwestoz
    Producer prices down 0.3% in March quarter … sign of deflation pressures ahead
    ]

    RBA will now be looking at 0.5% May cut. If they were worried about inflation, how about deflation.

  103. guytaur

    bemused

    Ok. Cool. I was just being careful. I know how easily things can turn nasty through misunderstanding.

  104. Gary

    [Chin up. The PM and DPM are currently overseas. Of course, the ratbags timed it perfectly to suit them.

    Slipper has so far done the right thing. See what happens next]
    Sound advice Vic. Slipper may yet win out.

  105. bemused

    BH @ 3331

    bemused – listen to the Emmo interview. He took exactly the right tack and if the media is not going to report the hypocrisy of the Oppn then Labor has to do it.

    Where can I listen to it?

  106. lizzie

    Mumble thinks that the “distraction” will be advantage to Labor as Swan never breaks through with his budgets anyway.
    Sorry, lost the link.

  107. guytaur

    How much column lines do you think Albo will get for this Internodal Project?

    My guess is Ten lines.

  108. my say

    The gov must say what they need tosay,

    Its us or them,
    No more putting up with things

  109. joe2

    Latika Bourke was given a little swipe by the P.M., today from o/s, over her continual need to question ‘the premise’ behind the question which obviously irritates Latika and her colleagues who expect her to accept their dumb shit as fact.

  110. BH

    South Aussie Bludgers. Mark Butler on 5AA at 12.10 pm – can we have a report please. He’ll be talking about OA care

  111. Gary

    [Mumble thinks that the “distraction” will be advantage to Labor as Swan never breaks through with his budgets anyway.]
    In this instance I think Mumble is right. It could be an advantage to Labor to have a mongrel budget, with cuts everywhere, go through to the keeper.

  112. bemused

    guytaur @ 3342

    bemused

    Ok. Cool. I was just being careful. I know how easily things can turn nasty through misunderstanding.

    You always play with a straight bat and would always get the benefit of the doubt from me.
    On the other hand, there are some here who deliberately and repeatedly twist others words or attribute to them positions they don’t hold. I treat them accordingly.

  113. bluegreen

    [In this instance I think Mumble is right. It could be an advantage to Labor to have a mongrel budget, with cuts everywhere, go through to the keeper.]

    Yep.

  114. leone

    It’s useless to expect higher standards from the press gallery. Just look at their peak organisation. Steve Lewis is Senior Vice President of the National Press Club.
    http://www.npc.org.au/club/directors.html
    What sort of qualifications do you need to get that position? The ability to rush into print with unsubstantated gossip must be one of them because Lewis has a real talent for that. Integrity, impartiality and accuracy must be a long way down the list.

  115. leone

    Accurate tweeting here –
    [Gordon Graham ‏ @gordongraham
    shorter Abbott: I’ve got 68 days left before I’m royally screwed! GIVE ME THE JOB!]

  116. joe2

    [In this instance I think Mumble is right. It could be an advantage to Labor to have a mongrel budget, with cuts everywhere, go through to the keeper.]

    Labor volunteers required for mass pants drop.

  117. Son of foro

    [Tony Abbott now pleading with Australians not to let their embarrassment of the Govt cloud their view of Australia.]

    Tony Abbott now pleading with Australians not to remember that he supported Peter Slipper for years and years.

  118. guytaur

    Scrub that. Going on questions asked. No lines about Internodal project.

  119. Scarpat

    [Tony Abbott now pleading with Australians not to let their embarrassment of the Govt cloud their view of Australia.]

    After that appeal I have decided to unpack my bags and not quit Australia.

  120. my say

    Just rang albos nsw office to let them we care

  121. mickt

    albo and wong looking confident .

  122. guytaur

    Albo: Abbott is only LOTO because of Slipper vote. One vote win.

  123. joe2

    [Tony Abbott now pleading with Australians not to let their embarrassment of the Govt cloud their view of Australia.]

    Yes, we should try and build up our immunity now for when clowns like Barnaby and Tony are running the show.

  124. David McRae

    BK@3000 – Yes, exactly. (Top work too BH getting it out there)

    There must be some in the ABC that see this. It must be so depressing.

    How to get ABC back to charter, I do not know.

    Only a few years ago, I got very defensive over the idea of privitising the ABC. Now, if Swanny wanted to defund and/or flog it off – I’d be why not – it rebadges News Ltd ledes, publishes IPA rot and the platform for the uncritical transmission of conservatives (such as Pyne and Abbott this morning).

  125. davidwh

    The 40 other votes thereabouts that went with Slipper’s were probably relevant as well Guytaur.

  126. my say

    Did you listen to craig emmerson re harry the question ask by jouralist
    .

  127. Diogenes

    Who is in the Big Chair if Gillard and Swan are both OS?

  128. guytaur

    Davidwh

    Yes. However the Coaliton cannot make claims about Labor relying on someone when that same person was a vote difference as to who was leader of the Liberal Party.

  129. my say

    Elmo said no suc h thi ng about, re mr slipper’in that interview

    I just listened on line

  130. BK

    Albo has just said, “Don’t get the ball rolling with the rumour mill!”

  131. guytaur

    ALbo giving the Media lessons in civics. Muscular lessons.

  132. guytaur

    I am pleased with the inter nodal project. Trucks off roads I think is a good thing.

  133. davidwh

    Guytaur they can if they decide to as that is just how politics plays out. The court of public opinion ends up deciding which position is less acceptable.

    Personally I believe the real relevant issue is the integrity of the position of Speaker and all the rest is just political noise.

  134. BH

    [Tony Abbott now pleading with Australians not to let their embarrassment of the Govt cloud their view of Australia.]

    No wonder the media and shockjocks thrive on this bloke. He’s been talking down the economy for 3 years, telling us we’re in diabolical due to Govt. incompetency, intimating that a single, childless atheist couldn’t possibly be as good and as ethical as an upstanding church going, family man and he wants us to feel good about the joint.

    Give me strength!

    BB – Vexnews said the Libs would be anxious to keep Ashby away from the media for fear he may break and spill some unwanted beans on how the harassment issue became a Court matter.

  135. guytaur

    davidwh

    The point is that standards have to be applied equally.

  136. guytaur

    Dawn Fraser giving Eulogy For Murray Rose. News24

  137. bemused

    BH @ 3357

    I have now listened to the AM interview and watched the Breakfast interview.

    It was good for anyone who was prepared to pay attention and listen, but that is a minority of the electorate.

    We need short, sharp, attack points which encapsulate Abbott’s duplicity in a few memorable words, and which can be repeated over and over again until they sink into the electorates psyche.

    Detailed rational argument just does not work, I am sorry to say, except for the tiny minority of political tragics.

  138. victoria

    Good presser by Albo and Wong announcing freight link project in Sydney. Of course journos only interested in Sleaze

  139. my say

    When u listen to elmo, it reminds you of the ministers of that time, re howard years
    ”i had forgotten most’of that

    David have a listen

  140. victoria

    bg

    .5% rate cut is looking more likely with each passing day

  141. guytaur

    victoria

    Maybe we should get the sleaze factor out of them. Send them to the Gay and Lesbian Sleaze Ball to get it out of their system.

  142. my say

    I thought graig emmersons interview was very sharp quick, your sure you listened to the right
    One in fact BEmused i thought it was too short

  143. This little black duck

    Albo didn’t use that word but he called Pyne a liar.

  144. victoria

    guytaur

    I doubt that would work. Canberra press gallery have reached sewer proportions.

  145. davidwh

    Guytaur except that higher standards are demanded of people who hold higher positions quite correctly in my opinion. If political leaders ignore that demand and get punished then so be it. We have seen dramatic results of this at state level in the past 12 months.

  146. guytaur

    Davidwh

    Tony Abbott is LOTO because he wants to be PM. What standards should the holder of PM Office hold?

  147. victoria

    Ducky

    I especially liked the way Albo said that everyone must be careful about rumours. Basically warning them that this can lead down a slippery slope

  148. guytaur

    victoria

    I wish I could disagree with you.

  149. Centre

    I have just watched Abbott’s appearance on Sky News followed by the presser given by Albanese and Wong.

    Tony Abbott should get out of the SEWER and go to Taronga Park Zoo where he can at least make himself useful for entertainment purposes.

    It is an embarrassment on the part of the Liberal Party that they can put forward a :mrgreen: like him to potentially lead the country.

    Albanese said that people can draw their own conclusions as to the coverage reported by the Daily Disease with the information they had given the speed that they went into print.

    Yep, thanks Albo, I certainly have drawn my own conclusions.

  150. Diogenes

    Why didn’t the police have the option of shooting the car’s tyres? Just saying “we don’t shoot tyres” isn’t a reason.

    [Police have again appealed for calm over the shooting of two teenagers on a joyride in Kings Cross on the weekend, saying officers did not have the option to shoot the tyres of the allegedly stolen car.]

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/we-dont-shoot-at-tyres-police-call-for-calm-following-kings-cross-shooting-20120423-1xfoq.html#ixzz1spHLgrty

  151. davidwh

    Standards I have concerns Abbott is capable of maintaining guytaur.

  152. Centre

    It’s time that media ownership laws were reviewed and changed as a matter of extreme urgency for the good of our economy.

    It’s Time!

  153. roaldan1000

    @3193

    Where’s Ashby BB?

    He is waiting while his agent plays off ACA, TT or 60 Minutes against each other for the best deal.

    It was always risky putting for the PM to tie herself in with Slipper, but less risky at the time than Wilkie.

    This only ends well if the hints VexNews are dropping about a Lib set up are based on some substance.

    It is all very well to be outraged by the tactics used here, but who didn’t think this was on the agenda? Labor must have known this was likely to happen.

  154. my say

    (Guytaur except that higher standards are demanded of people who hold higher positions quite correctly in my opinion. If political leaders ignore that demand and get punished then so be it. We)

    Yes thats true david well said

    AWB weapons of mass desruction,,,’ still searching, , other things as craig just pointed
    O david come one, they say its a mans world

    No the world belongs to tories, ,,”, they dont stand down only tell other s to

  155. victoria

    davidWH

    Albo made it clear that there are plenty of rumours swirling around Parliament about different people. If Abbott wants to take our parliament in this direction, I suspect he will be one in the firing line

  156. guytaur

    oakshott on News 24

  157. my say

    Centre i have emailed that to conroy , hope u all do

  158. victoria

    roaldan1000

    as surely as the sun sets, Labor would have been expecting something.

  159. middle man

    shootin tyres is a bit ‘tv’…. not sure it’s practical to expect them to hit such a moving target. most cops wouldn’t be that accurate with their Glock.

  160. Centre

    Diogs there were innocent bystanders nearby.

    I’m sick of people breaking the law in our society.

    And as for criminal gangs and driveby shootings, they should put the bastards behind bars and individually hang every bikie member one by one.

    Gutless fat bastards.

  161. 1934pc

    [Why didn’t the police have the option of shooting the car’s tyres? Just saying “we don’t shoot tyres” isn’t a reason.]

    Shooting out the tyres of a car can cause the car to crash KILLING the occupants?!.

    Simple my dear Watson?.

  162. guytaur

    Looks like Abbott not getting Oakshott vote for some time.

  163. victoria

    Albo reminded the journos that Mr Slipper was endorsed 9 times by the Libs and was in fact Parliamentary secretary to Mr Howard, when he was PM.

    I am amazed that the Libs are prepared to go with this high risk strategy

  164. Diogenes

    mm

    They managed to hit the kids who were a moving target. Since when do we shoot at stolen cars anyway?

  165. leone

    Centre
    Should Abbott go to Taronga Park he will meet this charming young gentlemen –
    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/animals/allo-allo-meet-the-gentle-giant-from-france-whos-here-for-love-20120404-1wc38.html

    Kibali seems a lot more entertaining and a lot nicer than Abbott, who is definitely not suited to being on display with any of the apes. Apes have morals and values, they know trash when they see it, unlike your average Aussie voter. I see Abbot being more fitting to the poisonous reptiles display.

  166. BH

    [I especially liked the way Albo said that everyone must be careful about rumours. ]

    which means that Abbott will continue to say whatever he wants to knowing that Labor won’t open up about any other rumours. He knows they won’t play as dirty as he does because everytime the Govt. goes after him and the Libs the majority of voters associate it only with the Govt. doing wrong.

  167. davidwh

    Victoria I have a very simple philosophy on politicians and behavior, if you do the crime then you do the time. That applies to all politicians of all persuasions.

    However we are talking about a specific set of circumstances here about a person holding a high office and the overriding principle should be about protecting the integrity of that office. This seems to be getting buried in all the political manouverings.

  168. The Finnigans

    It’s time for the #MSMhacks to stop the double standard and question Abbott over the cover-up by his Govt in 2003 of #SlipperGate

  169. guytaur

    Centre and Diogs

    Normally I am sceptical for reasons of police shooting. In this case the car had already mown down one woman. I support an independent investigation to clear the names of the police in question. To calm community concern and provide information for improving responses in future.

  170. guytaur

    davidwh

    What police charges have been laid? What court action has commenced?

  171. my say

    Lets look at this another way,, perhaps this is all leading somewhere, not sure where
    .’
    Perhaps these things have to happen to make other things happen , that get flushed out

    May be the road is narrowing for abbott , no where else to go.

  172. victoria

    BH

    Again, the main game is If Slipper is cleared of Any wrongdoing with entitlements. With respect to the other stuff, as they are civil matter, he has every right to return to work. If fact, many MPs at any given time are subject to civil proceedings.
    If Slipper is cleared and returns to the speakership, it is up to Abbott to test the confidence of the house. It is a high risk strategy all round

  173. guytaur

    my say

    I believe this too. I believe Abbott wants to restricts questions to now and not have anyone ask well why did you do this and not this when thought you had political advantage?

  174. Centre

    leone, that gorilla is definitely a better sort than Abbott. You are right, the apes are beautiful creatures, especially in comparison to Abbott.

    My Say feel free to email away 😎

  175. victoria

    davidWH

    What are you saying? Does anyone know at this stage if Slipper is guilty of anything?

  176. don

    Dio@3405:

    They managed to hit the kids who were a moving target. Since when do we shoot at stolen cars anyway?

    Dio they allegedly had already run over a woman and struck a pedestrian.

    Her partner, Matthew Dalton, 24, was the oldest of six males in a stolen car that allegedly ran over a 29-year-old woman and struck a pedestrian in Kings Cross on Saturday morning.
    The group was allegedly attempting to flee after two officers recognised them on Bayswater Road about 4am.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/they-could-have-at-least-shot-the-tyres-not-shoot-at-little-kids-20120422-1xf52.html#ixzz1spKzrV3d

  177. bemused

    my say @ 3383

    I thought graig emmersons interview was very sharp quick, your sure you listened to the right
    One in fact BEmused i thought it was too short

    The one that went for over 8 minutes?

    Where were the short, sharp sound bites that would be repeated on the news?

  178. BH

    [Standards I have concerns Abbott is capable of maintaining guytaur.]

    So rue DavidWH. Milne’s first couple of paragraphs in his article on Abbott using taxpayer funds to sell his book said that he was obsessed with money (for himself).

    Perhaps at the bottom of all this is the fact that he is envious of those who have made or have more than he has. Rudd, Turnbull, even Gillard who would have amassed more than Abbott because she seems a moderate person in all things and has had less life expenses than he. Abbott would hate that.

  179. bemused

    1934pc @ 3402

    Shooting out the tyres of a car can cause the car to crash KILLING the occupants?!.

    Simple my dear Watson?.

    Unlike bullets in the neck and chest?

  180. joe2

    [..and was in fact Parliamentary secretary to Mr Howard, when he was PM.]

    Oh dear, hope this is not a case of the manifestation of learned behaviour from a political senior….

  181. Diogenes

    We should all remember that Kafer was stood down by Smith when there were no charges and he was reinstated after the investigation.

    Don

    Fair enough.

  182. bemused

    Diogenes @ 3405

    mm

    They managed to hit the kids who were a moving target. Since when do we shoot at stolen cars anyway?

    When they have mounted a footpath and pose a danger to the public including actually knocking one pedestrian down and wedging her under the front of the car. And shooting at tyres may have resulted in that pedestrian being shot.

    There are certainly aspects of porcine behaviour in this incident that deserve criticism, but you have not mentioned them yet.

  183. victoria

    joe2

    What is making me laugh about all this is that the coalition and msm are now saying that somehow the govt should not have gotten Slipper for speaker because of rumours of his supposed “behaviour” in 2003. Up until he became speaker, no one on the coalition side mentioned anything publicly about Slipper and his supposed “behaviour”. This is all too ludicrous for words quite frankly

  184. Son of foro

    [I am amazed that the Libs are prepared to go with this high risk strategy]

    It should be high risk, but no journo will question Abbott about his obvious hypocrisy.

    So for the Libs it’s not high risk at all, just some more mud to throw about. When they’ve finished, they’ll move on and keep throwing that mud, knowing full well that none of it will land on them.

  185. The Finnigans

    Abbott has wailed many times that Slipper vote is a tainted vote. Yet, he gladly accept Slipper vote for him Vs Turnbull & won by 1. Fuckwit

  186. Diogenes

    Don

    In Adelaide, these car chases tend to happen on the same streets most times. They should set up a gizmo so the police can trigger spikes to pop up from the road surface to puncture the tyres.

  187. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    Dio,
    When a cop pulls a gun, it is to shoot a person, in the chest. It is what they are trained to do. They do not shoot at things like tyres, or aim for legs or arms.

    The question here imo is whether the car was still drivable and could have hit other people. If so, fine. If not, it joins the list of questionable police shootings that already exists.

    I would like to see police disarmed of deadly weapons. There is question being explored about the whether the arming of police actually increases the arming of criminals.

  188. bluegreen

    Ashby seems to have some grounds for sexual harrassment. But he is claiming damages on the basis that becuase he refused the advances it affected his career. He does not yet appear to have evidence for this.

  189. middle man

    i know nothing about the details of the kings cross incident. and have no opinion on the cops actions.

    i was merely pointing out that if you want to stop a car, shooting tyres is a low percentage play.

  190. bemused

    RTMD @ 3428

    I would like to see police disarmed of deadly weapons. There is question being explored about the whether the arming of police actually increases the arming of criminals.

    I agree.

  191. Diogenes

    Puff

    My next door neighbour was a police superintendent. I’ll ask him why they don’t shoot at tyres or legs.

  192. BH

    Wasn’t Kafer stood down because there were many reports of sexual harassment, assault, rape issues within the DFA. It wasn’t just one case. I would have kicked him out long before he was stood down because it had been going on for years without being cleaned up.

  193. BK

    Where do Ms Mirabella’s civil action travails sit on the scale relative to Slipper’s?

  194. middle man

    dio.

    i bet he says, drawing a weapon is last option, life threatening situation, not much time to act and take aim, therefore go for the biggest target = torso.

  195. imacca

    [Shooting out the tyres of a car can cause the car to crash KILLING the occupants?!.]

    Yeah like that is so easy to do. Depending on the distance, with a pistol, they are basically aiming for the car, hoping to hit it, and distract the occupants so that they do prang and come to a stop. Coppers are trained in firearms, but they are not experts.

    Deliberately shooting tyres is silliness out of the movies. Even for an expert it would be very chancy and more likely they would miss altogether and have ricochets off the ground to deal with drilling bystanders. Then watch the press go into a feeding frenzy.

    At least in this case the only ones with holes were the people who arguably deserved it.

    Can you imagine Hockey, Robb and :monkey: with guns?

    Dah shoot demselves in dah feets gang??

  196. imacca

    [the police can trigger spikes to pop up from the road surface to puncture the tyres.]

    Considering this was a footpath, if they had one in place they could use, well, dont sit on the footpath i guess. 🙂

  197. middle man

    we have to remember our cops aren’t the ultra cool cats from tv. when something like this occurs the adrenline would be pumping big time. for most it would be the first time they’ve drawn their pistol in the line of duty…. thinking time would be nought.

    i’m surprised the banning of semi-auto handguns hasn’t gotten more backing from the public.

  198. The Finnigans

    [The Slipper affair does not reflect on the Greens Party parliamentarians at all.]

    Oh dear, Horsey is on her usual moral high horse

  199. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    Any links for Albo’s presser? Abbott’s I will pass.

  200. victoria

    Son of Foro

    i am not sure. Abbott may just go one step too far

  201. Diogenes

    BH

    Kafer was stood down pending the investigation into his handling of the Skype affair. It lasted about one year.

  202. joe2

    victoria, I know I wouldn’t trust Johny, in the parliamentary shower room, if he asked me to pick up the soap.

  203. bemused

    Diogenes @ 3432

    Puff

    My next door neighbour was a police superintendent. I’ll ask him why they don’t shoot at tyres or legs.

    I have done pistol training and the instructions were to always shoot at the largest target i.e. the centre of the body, and fire more than once. Pistols are not very accurate, particularly when used in a ‘combat’ situation. It is nothing like a target range situation.

    When shooting at car occupants the object would be the same, go for the largest target, the torso.

    Shooting a tyre may not stop a car – it would just slow it down. If you are driving a stolen car you don’t care if the wheel gets stuffed by driving with a flat tyre.

    You seem to watch too many police dramas.

  204. imacca

    [Where do Ms Mirabella’s civil action travails sit on the scale relative to Slipper’s?]

    And the Fib/Nats have form for this sort of thing. Hajnal Ban in QLD has been in all sorts of bother over older mens money.

  205. my say

    Bemused may be i listened to a shorter version.
    But if u where in your car it would be ok, on the run, not sure

  206. guytaur

    Given Mr Abbott’s claims about the seriousness of sexual harassment, when is he going to bring in legislation to make it part of criminal law?

  207. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    William,
    Please send my email address to My Say.

  208. bluegreen

    The consequences of not returning the sexual advances are listed as follows:
    1. Adviser was called fat
    2. Adviser was asked to communicate not directly to Slipper, but through another adviser.
    3. Adviser was no longer invited on Sydney Harbour cruise.

    Seriously, those are the career consequences according to the court document.

  209. Space Kidette

    Seems the lady in question has since beeen told to un-forget about it as she has kept her mouth shut all this time.

    [The documents allege that Tony Nutt, a senior adviser to then-prime minister Mr Howard, was told of the allegations “in or around mid-2003”.

    It says a former Slipper staffer, Megan Hobson, had seen a video in which Mr Slipper “was observed to”:

    “…enter the bedroom of a junior staff member through the window”;
    “… lie on a bed with the junior male staff member in shorts and T-shirt and hug the junior male staff member in an intimate fashion”;
    “… urinate out of the window of the room.”

    The documents allege that Mr Nutt then told Ms Hobson to “forget all about it”.]

  210. victoria

    [gordongraham #Essential ALP 44 (0) L/NP 56 (0)
    8 minutes ago]

  211. shellbell

    Centre

    [Diogs there were innocent bystanders nearby.

    I’m sick of people breaking the law in our society.

    And as for criminal gangs and driveby shootings, they should put the bastards behind bars and individually hang every bikie member one by one.

    Gutless fat bastards.]

    Sounds very Chuck Norris

  212. guytaur

    Another change in ABC coverage. Now the headline is Claim and counterclaim.

    An honest balanced headline on Slippergate in my opinion.

  213. Fil R

    Hi all

    The PM, Emmerson etc seem to be getting a good run on ABC Radio (FM Classical anyway); short and sharp to the point back onto the opposition, while Abbott is being presented as having to explain past Liberal support for Slipper.

    This is how Labor should be all the time.

    Tho’ just now hearing Oakshott is asking for Slipper to stand aside re the civil matter – while acknowledging the allegations may be from a rogue employee.

    F

  214. victoria

    bg

    I have no idea as to the guilt or innocence of Slipper on anything. I know He was an excellent speaker. Too good for the coalition it seems.

    Based on what I have read of the conplaint by the staffer, it stinks too much for my liking

  215. Leroy

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/in-depth/labor-would-back-peter-slippers-return-as-speaker-if-cleared-of-criminal-allegations/story-fndckad0-1226336041681

    [Labor would back Peter Slipper’s return as Speaker if cleared of criminal allegations
    BY: LANAI VASEK From: The Australian April 23, 2012 11:40AM

    THE Gillard government says it will accept Peter Slipper back as Speaker if he’s cleared of criminal allegations even if civil, sexual harassment claims remain unresolved.]

    http://essentialvision.com.au/documents/essential_report_120423.pdf
    Full Essential Poll today

  216. imacca

    [Here is some more on Ashby’s claims.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-23/new-claims-lodged-against-slipper/3966498%5D

    that article claims:

    [Mr Slipper’s staffer James Ashby has lodged a claim under the Fair Work Act against the Commonwealth and against Mr Slipper.]

    So do FWA have to investigate now??

    I have just had a read of the document attached to that ABC report. WTF are the Coalition doing going anywhere near this!! Most of the case against the Commonwealth seems to relate to Howard and Co knowing about Slippers alleged harassment, ect and covering it up??

  217. guytaur

    news 24 replaying oakshott

  218. BH

    [But he is claiming damages on the basis that becuase he refused the advances it affected his career. He does not yet appear to have evidence for this.]

    bg – that’s a point we’ve missed over the weekend. If he’s appointing an agent then he has earnings lined up somewhere. If all he’s got over Slipper is that he had to go through another person, then that doesn’t seem to be much either.

    As BB wrote “Is that all there is??” – it read like the jilted lover affidavits I used to slave over.

    Brandis still very quiet.

  219. Tricot

    Caught a bit of Andew Probyn in ABC morning program.

    He is usually fair and balance and for a West journalist, tends not to say stupid things.

    More or less confirmed the orthodox view of Slipper but pondered on the division on the two court issues – which he said was decidedly “weird”.

    He pointed out the the Cabcharge thing almost seemed like and after-thought and did not seem at all to do with the harassment issues. He wondered what all this was about – as we should.

    This whole issue by the Murdoch press smells of dead, rotting fish.

  220. Space Kidette

    [Mia Freedman ‏ @MiaFreedman

    Are journo students really being taught that News Ltd are the evil empire?? Ridiculous if true (& yes I work for New Ltd but still ridic.)
    Retweeted by Caitlin Fitzsimmons

    Space Kidette Space Kidette ‏ @SpaceKidette

    @MiaFreedman News reaps what it sows.
    ]

  221. victoria

    imacca

    That was my question earlier. It seems like a high risk strategy for the coalition. For me it has the potential to blowback on current sitting Lib MPs. If I were them, I would be encouraging this guy to drop the suit. Unless this guy is achieving something all together different then we think. Ie ruin the Fibs

  222. my say

    (Tho’ just now hearing Oakshott is asking for Slipper to stand aside re the civil matter – while acknowledging the allegations may be from a rogue employee.)

    Mr oakeshott and windsor glad they are speaking out

    F

  223. This little black duck

    Tho’ just now hearing Oakshott is asking for Slipper to stand aside re the civil matter

    He isn’t. You are hearing wrong.

  224. joe2

    guytaur, William will not believe I say this, but ABC World at Noon ran a pretty fair report on Slipper.

  225. CTar1

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/04/23/keane-on-cabinet-trashed-by-rudd-misunderstood-by-the-press/

    [The most spectacular example of cabinet breaking down was under Rudd. After the GFC, in which a series of emergency financial and economic decision were taken by a small group of senior ministers on advice from the most senior bureaucrats, Rudd came increasingly to rely on the Strategic Priorities and Budget Committee — aka the Gang of Four: himself, Wayne Swan, Julia Gillard and Lindsay Tanner — to make key decisions, many of which never went before cabinet. The government’s decision to “delay” its carbon pollution reduction scheme in 2010 didn’t go to cabinet. And neither, most notoriously, did the government’s response to the Henry tax review, centred on the mining tax. Ministers weren’t given the opportunity to even understand the complex policy, let alone scrutinise it, consider its political implications or, in the case of Resources Minister Martin Ferguson, discuss the likely reaction of the industry.]

  226. guytaur

    Joe2

    Maybe the new Chairman has flexed his muscle and reminded the CEO there is a charter to follow.

  227. Diogenes

    Windsor sounds like he won’t support cutting the fuel rebate for miners.

    Minority government must be a real pain in the arse.

  228. guytaur

    Dio

    For government democracy is a pain in the butt

  229. Fil R

    Hi This little black duck re 3466

    Oh ok – just caught it as I was typing, so must have clattered over it.

    But as mysay said, neither Oakshott or Windsor are falling for the Liberal spin.

    F

  230. guytaur

    A reminder for all. We get some break from News Limited Agenda tonight.

    Q and A is doing an hour with Bob Brown.

  231. Tricot

    It was bound to happen – not of course, from the Murdoch end – but now it is being put about that there were issues about Slipper dating back to 2003 which it is thought “Prime Minister John Howard knew about.”

    When will the journos get to ask John about this?

  232. Bushfire Bill

    [Q and A is doing an hour with Bob Brown.]

    I’d be interested to see how questions re. homosexual harassment are handled by both questioner and answerer.

    What I mean is: poufter bashing won’t go down well with Brown.

  233. my say

    Nothing changed re essental.

  234. guytaur

    BB

    Not only that but also questions about the hate media and upcoming Leveson Inquiry appearance.

  235. roaldan1000

    This is only a high risk strategy by Abbott if there is any chance he will be held to account. He won’t be.

    Whoever is behind this, individual or group, has worked with the biggest media company in the country to have it on the front page of newspapers in every state.

    They do so in the full knowledge that this theme will be picked up by the ABC, which nowadays merely reruns stories from other outlets and does no journalism of its own.

    (Note the ABC has done nothing whatsoever to test the veracity of the stories. All it has done is ask people to react to stories carried by other outlets.)

    If Slipper is vindicated it gains nought for the government. The stories will merely be spun that it was bad judgment to make Slipper speaker because he could be even accused of something. Guilt or otherwise is completely irrelevant.

  236. guytaur

    my say

    Yes. Appears Labor has reached bottom as Slippergate has not changed numbers.
    The only way is up

  237. Pegasus

    joe2
    [I never act as though I speak for a party.]

    Neither do I. It was my own opinion, nothing to do with “speaking for a party”.

    I provide information about the Greens Party stance on issues, etc, to counter any verballing and misrepresentations.

    I often do so without my personal comment as I am happy for others to judge the content for themselves.

    [It could prove just as embarrassing as your amateurish attempt at Green p.r.]

    So, do i take it, whenever a Laborite makes a comment favouravble to Labor or links to an ALP media release, that it is an “amateurish attempt at Labor p.r.”?]

  238. shellbell

    Essential’s report has a preferred Lib leader poll.

    [30% (+5%) think Malcolm Turnbull would make the best leader of the Liberal Party, 23% (+1%) prefer Tony Abbott and 14% (-­‐3%) Joe Hockey. Among Liberal/Nationalvoters, 39%(-­‐1%) prefer Tony Abbott, 26% (+7%) Malcolm Turnbull and 17% -(5%) Joe Hockey. MalcolmTurnbull is preferred by 33% of men and 28 of women,Tony Abbott by 26% of men and 19% of women.]

  239. joe2

    [It was bound to happen – not of course, from the Murdoch end – but now it is being put about that there were issues about Slipper dating back to 2003 which it is thought “Prime Minister John Howard knew about.”]

    Worse still, Tricot, some are even wondering whether Howard was his role model.

  240. This little black duck

    Oakeshott said that if the civil matter was proved then Peter Slipper should step aside. Didn’t sound too happy about saying that.

  241. guytaur

    TLBD

    Slipper has proven Oakshott right an Independent Speaker is the way to go. Oakshott wants the public to see more so pressure on major parties to deliver way of getting Independent Speaker.
    IMO

  242. Danny Lewis

    [The Slipper affair does not reflect on the Greens Party parliamentarians at all.]

    Didn’t Adam Bandt vote “yes” in the Slipper For Speaker vote?

  243. Space Kidette

    shellbell,

    It will be interesting to see if the press gallery actually make mention of the Lib leaader polls in any way.

  244. The Finnigans

    [Q and A is doing an hour with Bob Brown.]

    Horsey must be in 7th heaven

  245. guytaur

    DL

    As did Oakshott and Windsor. The only part of this that sticks to Labor is in choosing Slipper for Speaker.
    The Green and Independent vote says that Labor had grounds for doing so.

  246. BH

    Thanks Dio – I thought he was head of the place while all the other allegations were taking place.

  247. Son of foro

    [This is only a high risk strategy by Abbott if there is any chance he will be held to account. He won’t be.]

    Exactly. He never is. He just throws mud safe around with complete impunity, simply moving on to the next round of garbage whenever he needs to. It’s a campaign of headlines, supported by the MSM, and it is highly effective.

    Labor and its supporters can’t hope to win on logic and facts, that’s not how this war is being waged.

  248. Fil R

    As to why the Coalition are risking fall out over Slipper, my guess would be it is like Abbott being prepared to carry poor personal polling over his negativity etc, so long as he feels he can keep damaging Gillard and Labor into worse polling.

    So Abbott would be hoping that the “sleaze” factor is going to be worse for Labor, even if the Coalition loses some skin over it as well.

    Several have mentioned the Mal Colston affair from the 1990’s as a possible parallel – does anyone know what the final impact of that was?

    F

  249. Dan Gulberry

    New post at The Daily Derp
    [Last week, WA Premier Colin Barnett (pictured left), had to make an embarassing back down over his attempt to take away pensioner’s compensation payments from the Commonwealth for the Carbon Price.

    Less than a week later, he’s once again shown exactly where the Liberal Party’s heart lies. He has refused to accept grants for public schools in WA at the same time as private schools are busy signing up to receive them.

    Fellow Tories Campbell “Cannot Do” Newman in Queensland, Ted “Fail You” Baillieu in Victoria and Barry “Even Lazier Than Peter Costello” O’Farrell in New South Wales have signed up without any quibbles, making the Barnett led WA LNP government the only state government of any political stripe to refuse the grants. ]

    Colin Barnett Shows LNP’s True Colours – Again

  250. guytaur

    Stehpen Smith News 24

  251. bluegreen

    Essential report shows Malcolm miles ahead of Tony and Joe in preferred leader.

  252. Danny Lewis

    [Where do Ms Mirabella’s civil action travails sit on the scale relative to Slipper’s?]

    Good question. Which allegation do you think is worse, sexual harassment or elder abuse?

  253. shellbell

    SK

    I dont think I have ever seen an Essential poll get MSM coverage

  254. guytaur

    Shellbell

    It will this time. A tweet showing result saying Turnbull preferred leader by that amount will have to get coverage.

  255. bemused

    Fil R @ 3491

    Several have mentioned the Mal Colston affair from the 1990′s as a possible parallel – does anyone know what the final impact of that was?

    In a desperate last ditch attempt to avoid the matter being determined by the courts, Colston died.

    Hi ploy worked!

  256. Gorgeous Dunny

    3121 DL
    [Abbott actually went to a pokies meeting hosted by Clubs Australia and pronounced loudly that he would oppose the legislation and, in government (if it got up) repeal it. What was Wilkie’s response? Oh, that’s just Abbott telling his audience what he thinks they want to hear. I’ll talk to him first before I make up my own mind.

    Hello?

    What part of “if he’s lying to their faces, what makes you think he won’t lie to your face as well” does this drongo not understand?

    Sheesh. ]

    Perhaps he intends getting Abbott to put it in writing and verified by a notary.

  257. guytaur

    More good initiative. Money to support returned servicemen and women.

  258. imacca

    [If I were them, I would be encouraging this guy to drop the suit. Unless this guy is achieving something all together different then we think. Ie ruin the Fibs]

    LOL! Could be, but i’d put it down to just more of the consistent negative reinforcement message from the Fib/Mordor complex. Its already being presented as “another” example of how hopelessly chaotic and fumble prone this Govt is, and once it fades off into nothing the MSM will simply refer to “SlipperGate” as an embarrassing episode for the Govt without explaining that it was all a beat up.

    Best thing that could happen now is a 0.5% rate cut, a slight surplus in the Budget, and the next Unemployment #’s down or steady and there is actually a reasonable chance of that happening.

  259. This little black duck

    Now, I wonder what the questions will be about, or not.

  260. Pegasus

    Davidwh
    [However we are talking about a specific set of circumstances here about a person holding a high office and the overriding principle should be about protecting the integrity of that office. This seems to be getting buried in all the political manouverings.]
    Christine Milne hasn’t lost sight of this principle:

    Christine Milne as reported in the MSM:

    1. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/in-depth/slipper-crisis-rocks-julia-gillard-as-speaker-peter-slipper-steps-aside/story-fndckad0-1226335755251
    [Greens leader Christine Milne said the Speaker of the house was a “very senior role which must command respect”.

    “At the same time, the presumption of innocence must be respected,” she said in a statement.]
    2. http://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/heat-on-pm-as-speaker-stands-aside-20120422-1xfed.html?skin=text-only
    [Greens Leader Christine Milne said the allegations levelled against Mr Slipper were serious but he must be afforded the presumption of innocence. ”These are serious allegations and they need to be treated appropriately,” Senator Milne said. ”At the same time, the presumption of innocence must be respected.”]

  261. guytaur

    TLBD

    There will be some questions about returned service people. Articles supporting troops sell more copies of papers than sleaze does.

  262. Space Kidette

    Shellbell,

    They usually have Peter Lewis(?) from Essential on The Drum to discuss.

  263. BH

    Fascinating read from Andrew Leigh’s speech this morning on 5 scientific breakthroughs.
    His foresight reminds me a bit of Barry Jones. Both great minds.

    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3963272.html

  264. guytaur

    This is shaping up like the aged care announcement.

  265. shellbell

    SK

    Indeed – that is right about Peter Lewis

  266. Space Kidette

    BH,

    That was a thought provoker. Lots of policy questions there with huge question marks. But very exciting technologically!

  267. Space Kidette

    Anyone notice the new PR approach from the govt? Issue, mow over opposition hot air with substantial positive announcements, make another substantial positive announcement.

  268. Fil R

    Hi bemused re 2499

    Yes I guess that might work! I had a look online and there were only the bare bones (Wkipedia mentions that there is/was still a dispute over the will into 2011).

    What I had in mind is whether either the Libs (to whom he “ratted”) or Labor (which then went after him) actually suffered any real fall out, or did just become another “bloody politicians” moment – I’m suspecting the latter.

    F

  269. Danny Lewis

    Slipper has been an excellent Speaker of the House, and I’ve noted from comments on twitter that a number of journos believe this as well.

    What I’d like is for those journos to ask Abbott whether he also believes Slipper has performed well as Speaker, whether Slipper’s performance as Speaker has enhanced the efficient working of the Parliament and whether, if and when any allegations against him are sorted, he would support his return to the Speakership.

  270. my say

    But the cvil matter could take a long time so read here

  271. Gorgeous Dunny

    [Thornleigh Labor Man
    Posted Monday, April 23, 2012 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    It was Gillard who pushed for Slipper to replace Jenkins as Speaker, once again it’s Gillard’s judgement that is being called into question.
    All the bagging of the media & the Liberals doesn’t alter this fact. ]

    Well, it’s still a better record than your hero’s judgement. He left the Howard stooges in charge of the ABC, tried to do a deal with Murdoch on Sky, and appointed Costello and Downer to sinecures where they have continued to slag off the government.

  272. victoria

    SK

    I noticed that too, but is it enough to drown out the crap!!

  273. The Finnigans

    [What I’d like is for those journos to ask Abbott whether he also believes Slipper has performed well as Speaker, whether Slipper’s performance as Speaker has enhanced the efficient working of the Parliament and whether, if and when any allegations against him are sorted, he would support his return to the Speakership.]

    BH, no chance. Abbott has stated clearly this morning that he was on the way to get rid of Slipper before PM Gillard “rescued” him by making him Speaker.

  274. Greensborough Growler

    See how the headline is now plural harrassment allegations. At this stage only Ashby has complained. Who are the others?

    http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/slipper-used-position-to-harass-staffers-court-documents-20120423-1xfty.html

  275. Windhover

    Those who seek to draw parallels between Slipper and Kafer, like Christopher Pain, miss the point. Kafer was stood down because there was a high level independent inquiry into his handling of a matter that related directly to the performance of his official duties.
    Slipper has stood down because of allegations of serious criminal conduct, and rightly so. But allegations he sexually abused one of his staff does not directly relate to his performance as Speaker. We can have every confidence in him, as Speaker, whether or not those allegations are true.

  276. Boerwar

    With sexual harrassment in the workplace I would have thought the following issues are germane:

    (1) the power relationship. This means, I understand, that in the workplace the onus is on the advancer if there is any sign of discomfort or demurral or rejection – even if the advancer does not persist. In this case the boss appears to have suggested that he would like to have a shag with a junion staffmember. The junior staff member seems to have responded not with thanks but no thanks, not with no, but with a somewhat ambivalent set of responses. These may denote discomfort with being asked at all or discomfort with some other aspects. The point is not how we would have responded in the situation, or even how important we thing having a shag with Mr Slipper might be. The point is what the advancee perceives and feels. Mr Slipper is clearly on tricky ground here.

    (2) with flirtation, advances and sexual suggestion, perception is often critical. If it involves a power relationship at work, the perceptions of the advancee tend to be given weight.

    (3) persistent effort makes a difference. If there is a hint and it is ignored and the hinter retires from the fray, this is different from a pattern or persistence.

    (4) it matters whether the ‘workplace’ is the formal office workplace or whether someone has agreed to go with someone for what is clearly a work-related or ambiguous social engagement – drinks, a party and so on and so forth. Even in the latter case there would still be a heightened requirement for getting informed consent because of the extra power relationship and workplace dimensions.

    (5) in terms of damages in a civil case, I imagine it does matter whether the advancee can demonstrate career or financial damage.

    (6) whatever the context, advancees in society take a huge risk that society will judge them adversely and that they will do themselves some serious career damage by pursing redress publicly. I seem to recall the MSM wolfpack turning nasty in relation to the David Jones case recently.

  277. my say

    )(y Abbott by 26% of men and 19% of women.)

    WOULD SOME ONE PLEASE TWEET THIS TO abbott,
    )
    L % (+5%) think Malcolm Turnbull would make the best leader of the Liberal Party, 23% (+1%) prefer Tony Abbott and 14% (-‐3%) Joe Hockey. Among Liberal/Nationalvoters, 39%(and this

    Ess, doesnt get our there a lot but this good to let liberals know about their boy

  278. drake

    [The Slipper affair tarnishes the two major parties and reinforces the perception for many that both parties lack integrity.

    The Slipper affair does not reflect on the Greens Party parliamentarians at all.]

    The above is a quote from Pegasus @3287.

    Further back in this thread, Pegasus claimed the Prime Minister was dog-whistling to blue collar voters who had left Labor for the Coalition. The general theme, as always with the Greens, is one of elevated morality.

    There is, however, a major flaw in these arguments.

    Regardless of their assertions, the fact remains that the Greens continue to give support to this minority government. They could, at any time, withdraw it. So, when the Greens try to land the blame for Slipper squarely at the feet of the major parties, they conveniently avoid telling us that they had every chance to question his integrity and to oppose his appointment – but they didn’t. They didn’t, because it suited their political objective as a minority government partner that desperately needed the buffer of another vote. Likewise, the Greens continue to support a minority government that Pegasus accuses of dog-whistling. Why? Because it suits their political objectives.

    Over the course of this parliament, the Greens have shown that they will abandon principle and horse-trade with the best of them to get what they want.

    They really are just another political party.

  279. BH

    [In a desperate last ditch attempt to avoid the matter being determined by the courts, Colston died.]

    bemused – you’re forgetting. It took 6 years by which time Howard had passed his sale of telstra bill and something else I’ve forgotten about. The Court case was dropped because Colston had Drs reports saying he wouldn’t survive long enough to attend the hearing. He retired from the Senate with a wad of cash and I think took a holiday o/s. The Dr was wrong.

  280. Roy Orbison

    “In Adelaide, these car chases tend to happen on the same streets most times.”

    As they would in a one horse town. The fact is, the media arm of the Liberal Party cannot bring themselves to admit that their guy, in spite of law and order being the only plank in his “manifesto”, has lost control of the issue. Completely. His idea of a fix is to ban bikie colours in pubs. Seriously.

    Can you imagine what the headlines would like if keneally were still in charge? And then tell me we have an even-handed media.

  281. bemused

    Fil R @ 3513

    What I had in mind is whether either the Libs (to whom he “ratted”) or Labor (which then went after him) actually suffered any real fall out, or did just become another “bloody politicians” moment – I’m suspecting the latter.

    The Libs benefited from his vote. Labor went after him, taunted him for ratting and exposed all the skeletons in his closet. No-one else gave two hoots.

  282. Gorgeous Dunny

    3184 middle man
    [The friendly voices are niche and heard by too few.

    **My say now you can berate me for being pessimistic ]

    Don’t despair too much, mm, although I know how you feel. Even that great stalwart Ian rather despaired momentarily at the way the media pretended that a Gillard staffer had caused the Australia Day ‘riots’.

    He’s back on board with his usual visionary posts. I hope you will be too. I must admit I find it both annoying and bewildering to be living out an Orwellian world where black is portrayed as white and so on.

    The good news is that Murdoch’s days are definitely numbered.

  283. Gorgeous Dunny

    [Thornleigh Labor Man
    Posted Monday, April 23, 2012 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    Oakeshott & Windsor are hanging on for dear life to Gillard, because they know that they’ll be the first casulties if there’s an early election.
    Those two are more about their own self interest than ideals. ]

    Oh FFS! You really wouldn’t know political integrity if it hit you over the head!

    Those two have set an example to the rest of the country and have done more for regional Australia in two years than the Nationals have done in the last twenty years.

    What have you got against them anyway? That they allowed Gillard to form a government? Does your quest for vengeance know no bounds?

  284. Danny Lewis

    [http://www.theage.com.au/national/abbott-offered-backing-says-renegade-speaker-20111203-1ocky.html]

    Just a reminder of the “He said, he said” from last year, when Tony Abbott claimed he was trying to get Slipper out of parliament, whilst Slipper said, in fact, they had a meeting at which Abbott offered support.

    Had a laugh reading that, especially in light of what happened to Peter Reith. One might say Mr Rabbott has form in this area …

  285. don

    Dio@3428:

    Don

    In Adelaide, these car chases tend to happen on the same streets most times. They should set up a gizmo so the police can trigger spikes to pop up from the road surface to puncture the tyres.

    Couldn’t agree more.

    You’d need to be sure the next car along was the one you wanted, though!

    I have what may be a dumb question, but that hasn’t stopped me before:

    If the tyres are shot out or shredded by the gizmo, how far can a car continue to be driven, albeit with a fair bit of noise from the crinkling rims?

  286. BK

    [http://www.theage.com.au/national/abbott-offered-backing-says-renegade-speaker-20111203-1ocky.html]
    Oh dear! Slipper hits back.

  287. Gorgeous Dunny

    [Bushfire Bill
    Posted Monday, April 23, 2012 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    This is “it”???

    “Sexual harassment”?

    This piece of fluff?

    Courtesy of the SMH’s reporter, Louise Hall. ]

    As Peggy Lee once sang: Is that all there is?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe9kKf7SHco

    Sounds like the civil case won’t have much more substance than the criminal allegation.

  288. mickt

    abbott coming up at a womens shelter

  289. Lyne Lady

    Gorgeous Dunny
    3529
    well said! both men – and i know oakeshott personally, are men of principle – i can assure you they care not what happens at the next election. they are both working extremely hard EVERY day for their electorates and the country. pity there aren’t more like them!

  290. Fran Barlow

    [Just a reminder of the “He said, he said” from last year, when Tony Abbott claimed he was trying to get Slipper out of parliament]

    I wonder how long Abbott had been “trying to get Slipper out of Parliament” and what had motivated this desire. The obvious time would have been some time after he became leader. If he thought Slipper was unfit to serve then the question arises — why did he keep quiet? If he didn’t know then — he can’t have been reading his own side’s notes. When did he find out, what did he find out and what did he do about it?

    Us curious folk want to know.

    It seems clear to me that if Slipper can refute the claim that he handed over signed but blank cabcharge documents, then a serious question arises about what else we can believe about Ashby’s claims. In those circumstances, unless there is some other corroboration, it’s hard to see how they could be upheld. If they are not, then this begins to smell very much like GG all over again.

  291. Fran Barlow

    Let me add for the record of course that in my personal opinion, workplace sexual liaisons are usually ill-advised (save perhaps where a couple get a job somewhere, run their own business etc). When the realtionship arises in the workplace and one party is in a supervisory role, or the potential for a professional conflict of interest arises, it’s especially unwise, even if formally consensual — for all sorts of reasons. Save as above, it’s always advisable, in my opinion, to keep work and sexuality at arm’s length. It rarely works out well. Either the liaison sours and worklife gets wrecked, or some issue at work arises and that sours the relationship. And what happens when one party takes a shine to someone else? Then it only takes someone to say that you’ve abandoned your professionalism in the course of a decision and then you can have something extremely messy.

    I find it hard to believe that Slipper could have been this silly. He must have known that his erstwhile colleagues would be looking for any excuse to publicly shame him — ideally something that wasn’t traceable back to them. being unprofessional in his dealings with someone would be fairly obvious and with the same sex attraction angle it was always going to be grist to the media mill — a feeding frenzy.

    Whatever else I think of him, I don’t think an unremittingly personally unwise person can make it into politics and survive. One of your rivals will spear you long before that. So on balance, the most simple first guess is that this has to be a set up. Ashby implies he knew what he was getting himself into when he took the job. He says he stayed with Slipper of his own volition. He says he gave him a massage which is no part of any job description I’ve ever read for staffers. Why would he do that if not to create an impression that he was open to more than just being a staffer?