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Morgan face-to-face: 58-42 to Coalition; Seat of the week: Eden-Monaro

The latest Morgan face-to-face poll, conducted last week from a sample of 893, shows a slight improvement for Labor, up 1.5% to 32% on the primary vote with the Coalition down half a point to 45.5% and the Greens down 1.5% to 10.5%. This translates into a one point improvement on the respondent-allocated two-party preferred measure, from 59-48 to 58-42, and a half-point improvement on the previous election method, down from 55.5-44.5 to 55-45.

UPDATE (28/5/12): Essential Research has Labor losing one of the points on two-party preferred it clawed back over previous weeks, the result now at 57-43. Primary votes are 50% for the Coalition (up one), 33% for Labor (steady) and 10% for the Greens (steady). Other questions gauged views on the parties’ respective “attributes”, with all negative responses for Labor (chiefly “divided” and “will promise anything to win votes”) rating higher than all positives, and the Liberal Party doing rather better, rating well for “moderate” and “understands the problems facing Australia”. Bewilderingly, only slightly more respondents (35%) were willing to rate the state of the economy as “good” than “bad” (29%), with 33% opting for neither, although 43% rated the position of their household satisfactory against 28% unsatisfactory.

In today’s installment of Seat of the Week, it’s everybody’s favourite:

Seat of the week: Eden-Monaro

Taking in the south-eastern corner of New South Wales, including Queanbeyan, Cooma, Tumut and the coast from Batemans Bay south to Eden and the Victorian border, Eden-Monaro is renowned throughout the land as the seat that goes with the party who wins the election. Until 2007 its record as a bellwether was in fact surpassed by Macarthur, which had gone with the winning party at every election since its creation in 1949, but while Eden-Monaro stayed true to form by being among the seven New South Wales seats to switch to Labor with the election of the Rudd government, Liberal member Pat Farmer held on in Macarthur. The seat bucked the statewide trend in 2010 by recording a 2.0% swing to Labor, in what was very likely a vote of confidence in the popular local member, Mike Kelly.

Perhaps explaining its bellwether status, Eden-Monaro offers something of a microcosm of the state at large, if not the entire country. It incorporates suburban Queanbeyan, rural centres Cooma and Bega, coastal towns Eden and Narooma, and agricultural areas sprinkled with small towns. Labor’s strongest area is the electorate is the Canberra satellite town of Queanbeyan, excluding its Liberal-leaning outer suburb of Jerrabomberra. The coastal areas, which swung particularly heavily to Labor in 2007, can be divided between a finely balanced centre and areas of Liberal strength at the northern and southern extremities, respectively around Batemans Bay and Merimbula. The smaller inland towns are solidly conservative, but Cooma is highly marginal. The area covered by the electorate has been remarkably little changed over the years: it has been locked into the state’s south-eastern corner since federation, and its geographic size has remained fairly consistent as increases in the size of parliament cancelled out the effects of relative population decline. Outside of the interruption from 2007 and 2010, when it expanded westwards to Tumut and Tumbarumba, its boundaries since 1998 have been almost identical to those it had before 1913.

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  1. good morning all.
    The sun is shining and it’s cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey, and Ruddstoration is back on the agenda because msm have run out of anti-labor campaign material.

    When Joel Fitzgibbon is named as ‘counting numbers’ you can be sure it is all bullshite to appeal to the lily livered so-called labor supporters who are gullible enough to swallow it and help the bring-down-the-government campaign by spreading the tripe throughout the social media. So sorry to disappoint all the befuddled Ruddistas but Fitzgibbon is a staunch supporter of the PM and would chop off his right arm rather than do anything that might see the return of Rudd.

    by janice2 on May 27, 2012 at 7:59 am

  2. increasing imports of vegetables and processed foods has The Age’s attention today

    http://www.theage.com.au/national/surge-in-imports-sends-australian-farms-to-brink-20120526-1zc2u.html

    by billie on May 27, 2012 at 7:59 am

  3. Never worked in the MSM so I don’t know whether editors or sub- editors would actually change the wording etc in a journos story to give that story a particular slant. But if they do, is it too long a bow to draw that MSM oulets ( given behaviour in UK) would concoct stories with a purpose in mind?
    On the one hand we have people saying wait until July 1 and Abbott’s hopes are dashed. On the other, today the Rudd stories are coming out again.
    Come July 1 what will happen? Legislation takes effect, payments are in place. Abbott’s claim to repeal legislation will look even more hollow. But IMHO it won’t stop the attacks. It won’t stop MSM campaign. The vested interests ( tobacco, mining,pokies and above all Roop) will still fund Abbott.
    You see I think the main thing is the NBN. Roop is using the others to help him but his goal is to stop the threat to his Fox empire.
    Until Govt addresses the issue of Roop fighting govt to stop NBN, then I don’t think anything will change because I have always thought that “carbon tax” has been the front for something much more sinister.

    by RNM1953 on May 27, 2012 at 8:02 am

  4. Good morning all.

    Calls are mounting for the international community to take urgent action on Syria after reports of a horrific massacre by regime forces that killed dozens of people, including many children on Friday.

    UN monitors said the bodies of more than 90 people were found in the town of Houla after activists reported a massacre by president Bashar al-Assad's forces, one of the bloodiest episodes in the 14 months since his regime launched a brutal crackdown on opponents.

    ANd Australians whinge about their lot in life and how hard we have it here. The disconnect between fantasy and reality is incredible.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-27/world-condemns-latest-syrian-horror/4035516

    by confessions on May 27, 2012 at 8:04 am

  5. Good morning, Bludgers.

    Penbo starts Abbott’s lynching party – Tony may end up hung by his own lynch mob

    and, of all papers, in the DT; though it might be in more Murdoch tabloids. Being a card carrying super-cynic, though, I wonder if Rupe himself is pulling them back from the brink.

    What would happen if someone did try to assassinate the PM? Even an attempt would set off an Inquiry (prob a Royal Commission) to cap Leveson’s – and wouldn’t that put the cat among the CPG and all other MSM pigeons, inc NewsLts & the ABC!

    The AFP would go more overboard than it did over Dr Mohamed Haneef in 2007. It would almost certainly shut down the Shockjocks, especially Jones, for inciting attempted murder – radio & TV broadcasts are recorded (?kept in the national archives). Jo Nova and those who contributed to her and similar blogs and rallies – almost certainly already on NFP watch lists – could expect to have “the cleaners” put through them BigTime. NewsLtd and any determinedly antiGillard journalists could similarly expect to have “the cleaners” put through them, as would those in the blogsphere. There would be mass requisitioning of ITP & phone & blog records, inc those to shockjock radio programmes; probably even PB. The AFP would also get a gold pass to investigate ALoR, CEC, DLP and similar RW political lobbyist movements.

    The fallout would be enormous. Australia would be thick with writs. Media careers would be “killed”. The Government would, this time, have the evidence, incentive & probably mass support to put “the cleaners” through the MSM, split up media empires – certainly Murdoch’s, most probably shockjock radio stations, probably Channel 7′s.

    Rupert Murdoch might be old, his short-term might be a tad or more iffy; but the Olds’ long-term memories, especially of crucial events are not. He’s not stupid, and he’d still recall what happened during the Painters & Dockers and Fitzgerald RCs – and have videos of the HoC & Leveson inquiries which have shaken his empires to the core. IMO He sure wouldn’t want to send through them a huge tsunami any attack on the PM, members of her government, the Indies & Greens would cause.

    by OzPol Tragic on May 27, 2012 at 8:06 am

  6. Good Morning

    I see the Daily Telegraph has come out with a leadership story. I am not believing it at this stage. We have seen before reports of so called leadership moves that were patently false.
    If it does turn out to be true all I say is suicidal Labor suicidal.

    by guytaur on May 27, 2012 at 8:11 am

  7. Wilkie has a whinge.

    INDEPENDENT MP Andrew Wilkie says he has been treated like a pawn and his relationship with the Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, will never be the same again.

    Despite their landmark agreement on watered-down poker machine reforms this past week, the crossbench kingmaker said of negotiating with Ms Gillard: ''You do feel used. I am a pawn to be moved around the board.''

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/wilkie-im-a-pawn-on-gillard-chessboard-20120526-1zbp0.html#ixzz1w15IIiQ7

    What is it with these sooky men who appear to have problems working with women?

    by confessions on May 27, 2012 at 8:13 am

  8. Good Morning Bludgers,

    My take on the leadershit:

    Fit & Proper SpaceK ‏@SpaceKidette

    Every day I pray for the demise worldwide of Ltd News. #murdochracy #mediafail #Murdochchooseswhichpartytoback #auspol
    Expand

    by Space Kidette on May 27, 2012 at 8:14 am

  9. RNM1953 this week I had a letter to the editor with regards to Craig Thomson published. It was editted. By excising one sentence the meaning of the letter changed. From this experience I think there is heavy editorial direction being exercised over political stories at the moment

    by billie on May 27, 2012 at 8:15 am

  10. Oz Pol,

    Rupert Murdoch might be old, his short-term might be a tad or more iffy; but the Olds’ long-term memories, especially of crucial events are not. He’s not stupid, and he’d still recall what happened during the Painters & Dockers and Fitzgerald RCs – and have videos of the HoC & Leveson inquiries which have shaken his empires to the core. IMO He sure wouldn’t want to send through them a huge tsunami any attack on the PM, members of her government, the Indies & Greens would cause.

    I agree but can he control how far his attack dogs go? It is frightening to think that we have to wait until there is an attempted assassination of the PM, a member/s of her government, the Indies or the Greens before steps are taken to put the cleaners through NewsLtd, the ABC and the shockjocks.

    by janice2 on May 27, 2012 at 8:16 am

  11. fess

    Wilkie has a whinge.

    A recycled story from earlier in the week.
    In case the work-a-day, only-read-papers-on-weekend crowd missed it.

    by kezza2 on May 27, 2012 at 8:17 am

  12. The next 6 weeks will seem to be nothing but never ending crap from the MSM. They have their agenda and orders. As I said yesterday it’s all about stopping the Carbon price and the NBN before both are entrenched. There is a point when the large miners/energy companies will HAVE to spend the money and start trading and they will already be playing catch-up so a lot of money will have to spent by them in a short period of time. Once this is done there is no going back for these companies.
    Even though I think the NBN has gone too far (imagine how long Abbott would last if he promised to rip up the NBN or deny half the population what has already been delivered to the other half, property prices would drop for those houses that didn’t get connected in time, let alone all the other issues) it’s the same modus operandii, stop the NBN before it goes to far and large media organisations will be spared the cost of changing their business models (albeit until reality hits and they discover they’ve been left behind, but at least in Australia enough people won’t have the speed to not keep using their pathetic offerings, at least for the short/medium term).

    by Smaug on May 27, 2012 at 8:18 am

  13. Penbo: Tony may end up hung by his own lynch mob – Let me say again – Abbott should be charged with colleague2colleague workplace bullying

    by The Finnigans on May 27, 2012 at 8:20 am

  14. Remote indigenous communities will no longer have to pay ATM transaction fees under a new scheme by the Australian banking industry.

    Treasurer Wayne Swan and Indigenous Affairs Minister Jenny Macklin say the scheme will provide free transactions at 76 bank cash machines across remote indigenous communities in the Northern Territory, Queensland, Western Australia and South Australia.

    Mr Swan said people in those communities often had no alternative, but to pay frequent ATM fees.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/money/feefree-atms-for-remote-communities-20120525-1z914.html#ixzz1w175Ijif

    Another worthwhile initiative.

    by confessions on May 27, 2012 at 8:21 am

  15. Looks a bit like Mafia in frocks.
    http://www.americablog.com/2012/05/popes-butler-arrested-for-leaking.html
    It’s worth reading these words from Christine Lagarde.
    http://www.americablog.com/2012/05/imf-chief-has-harsh-words-for-greece.html
    For the technically minded, have a look at this.
    http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-motorcycle-car-20120526,0,4147294.story
    Does this look familiar?
    http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/obama-tax-revenue-drought-not-spending-binge
    Bill Maher’s “New Rules”
    http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2012/05/26/video-bill-maher-what-exactly-has-obama-done-that-has-made-conservatives-so-angry/

    by BK on May 27, 2012 at 8:21 am

  16. fess

    You do Wilkie an injustice. I believe he would act in exactly the same way if the Labor party had a male leader. His problem with the PM is he believes he was betrayed. That is his view. Nothing to do with her gender. If anything it would be to do with his view of major parties.
    That has more relevance than her gender. Not everything is about gender in politics. Some things have nothing to do with it.

    by guytaur on May 27, 2012 at 8:22 am

  17. A recycled story from earlier in the week.
    In case the work-a-day, only-read-papers-on-weekend crowd missed it.

    Thanks kezza. I was one of those who missed it first time round.

    by confessions on May 27, 2012 at 8:22 am

  18. guytaur:

    I simply call things as I see them.

    by confessions on May 27, 2012 at 8:26 am

  19. billie
    Posted Sunday, May 27, 2012 at 8:15 am | Permalink
    RNM1953 this week I had a letter to the editor with regards to Craig Thomson published. It was editted. By excising one sentence the meaning of the letter changed. From this experience I think there is heavy editorial direction being exercised over political stories at the moment

    The same happened to me a couple of years ago – with The Oz.

    I had a lively exchange with the letters editor, until she admitted that the editing had not only changed the meaning but said the opposite of what I was arguing. She re-published the unedited, original letter.

    They get away with it if we don’t complain.

    by kezza2 on May 27, 2012 at 8:27 am

  20. Tssk, Shows, continuity error….you can’t be in your nineties if your dad took your mum to watch 2001 when they were dating….

    by zoomster on May 27, 2012 at 8:31 am

  21. Bill Maher introduces Romney’s “Wiferism”.
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-counters-birthers-by-creating-artificial-mitt-romney-wifer-controversy/

    by BK on May 27, 2012 at 8:31 am

  22. Despite their landmark agreement on watered-down poker machine reforms this past week, the crossbench kingmaker said of negotiating with Ms Gillard: ''You do feel used. I am a pawn to be moved around the board.''

    F*ck me Wilkie, stop the bloody whine. Apparently you were in officer in the ADF. I spent 10 years in the Army as nothing more than a shit kicker NCO and I learnt that the ONLY reason you are a pawn is because you LET yourself be one.

    FFS grow some kahuna’s and use the influence you’ve got. Just because you’re an independent in a hung parliament doesn’t mean you get everything you want delivered to you on a plate. Did you even bother engaging with the other independents? It wasn’t Gillard that was supposed to convince them of your pet legislation. The Labor party would have voted for your legislation if YOU had bothered to get the support of the other cross benchers, Gillard asked them and they said NO to her. She supported Slipper because of your inability and a knowledge how you would react because of your misplaced sense of “entitlement”. What the hell should she have done, threaten them on your behalf?
    Grow up, you haven’t been used, you couldn’t be bothered to do the hard yards yourself. :x

    by Smaug on May 27, 2012 at 8:32 am

  23. Maybe some real action regarding Murdoch in US about to occur.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/25/murdoch-private-eye-hedge-fund_n_1546274.html

    by guytaur on May 27, 2012 at 8:32 am

  24. London to a brick that Abbott’s approval ratings will have plummeted in Newspoll tonight.

    What the ALP have endured over the last year is the political equivalent of the siege of Leningrad – everything has been thrown at them but they are still standing. Written off at every point by the MSM. But still standing.

    The siege is now coming to an end as the community and the polls will recognise that Abbott’s ‘whatever it takes’ strategy is failing, unedifying and increasingly desperate.

    The Ruddstoration mob were getting all excited last night with the Fitzgibbon DT story. No point in arguing with them, they’ll never give up that particular fantasy.

    by Rossmore on May 27, 2012 at 8:36 am

  25. smaug

    Good rant. Great from a Labor supporter. However there are two sides to every story. I do not know the truth as you do not unless you were there. Gillard could have avoided Wilkie whinge by the simple expedient of taking the legislation to defeat on the floor of the House. Then we the public would know how people voted instead of guessing. Yes Mr Abbott would have jumped on it but he would have got nowhere with it. As seen by experience in minority government before this. See Tasmania, NSW, and Victoria.
    Wilkie having a whinge is his right. You may not like it. Labor might not like it, but Labor had its chance to prove itself and failed in the view of Wilkie because they did not put the legislation before Parliament.

    by guytaur on May 27, 2012 at 8:39 am

  26. Labor had its chance to prove itself and failed in the view of Wilkie because they did not put the legislation before Parliament.

    Probably because Gillard knew there was huge division within the Labor Party over pokies and it would’ve just been a further distraction for the Government. She took her gamble, cut Wilkie out and will live with it. Its probably worked for the better in the long run in any case – Wilkie is a loose cannon in my view, and dealing with him should be avoided where possible.

    by ltep on May 27, 2012 at 8:42 am

  27. This looks similar to the OZ situation
    http://cartoonbox.slate.com/static/114.html

    by smssiva on May 27, 2012 at 8:45 am

  28. BK
    Posted Sunday, May 27, 2012 at 8:31 am | Permalink
    Bill Maher introduces Romney’s “Wiferism”.

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-counters-birthers-by-creating-artificial-mitt-romney-wifer-controversy/

    Thanks BK – nothing like a good belly laugh to start the day.

    by kezza2 on May 27, 2012 at 8:48 am

  29. Guytaur,

    Wilkie did whinge, I have no time for whinging when positive action is called for. The evidence from the several days he spent in a panic trying to shore up support just before the vote was supposed to occur indicates he didn’t do the prep-work. Something he should have been doing months before instead of sitting on his hands.
    I’m a Labor supporter only because the current tactics of the LNP are NOT something I find compatible with good democracy (or democracy period given Abbotts behavior this last week or two).

    by Smaug on May 27, 2012 at 8:49 am

  30. confessions
    Posted Sunday, May 27, 2012 at 8:13 am | Permalink

    Wilkie has a whinge.

    ....

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/wilkie-im-a-pawn-on-gillard-chessboard-20120526-1zbp0.html#ixzz1w15IIiQ7

    What is it with these sooky men who appear to have problems working with women?

    Rudd, Wilkie, Abbott:

    They have all been done-over by this softly spoken prime minister.

    Rudd wasn’t bright enough to realise it happened because of his own failings and she had been kind by giving him the FM position. He was bitter, he blew it.

    Wilkie is bright enough to realise, for all his bluster, she played her hand well and he lost. He is smart enough to work it out (a pawn I was, he said).

    Abbott; poor old Abbott (with Rudd leaking like a sieve, hanging over the side trying to be an Anchor) he started after the election with the same numbers as Gillard, was willing to sell his ass, and he lost. It was the opposition that didn’t throw him out on his actioned ass, and we still have him.

    It is only days before the Gillard governments legislation agenda is pretty much finished and she and her government can turn their attention to Abbott and the press that support him. Poor old Abbott, he had a lot to work with; we haven’t seen this rate of change since Keating; the press don’t like the changes, and he still can’t win a trick.

    Will Gillard do Abbott over as well as she did Rudd when she decided “a line had been crossed”.

    We will see; the entertainment for the next 12 months.

    Ruddsteration, boring.

    by fredn on May 27, 2012 at 8:49 am

  31. BK

    Crikey BK , was Bill Maher talking about 2GBers,convoy of no consequence people and the Tele’s comment section ?

    by poroti on May 27, 2012 at 8:53 am

  32. Note as public opinion is turning against the bullying & lynching #Thomson. #MSMhacks turn to the old fav PM Gillard bashing & #leadershits

    by The Finnigans on May 27, 2012 at 8:54 am

  33. smssiva
    Posted Sunday, May 27, 2012 at 8:45 am | Permalink
    This looks similar to the OZ situation

    http://cartoonbox.slate.com/static/114.html

    Good pick up, smssiva
    Swap Obama for Gillard and it’s exactly what we have here.

    by kezza2 on May 27, 2012 at 8:54 am

  34. smaug

    I think Wilkie is right to whinge he had a written agreement from Labor, the PM in particular.
    However as Itep says the PM made a political decision. The whinge is the price Labor pays.
    Just remember Wilkie did do something right the whole nation should be grateful for. When it has counted he has kept Abbott out of being PM. I think Wilkie whinge is a small price to pay.

    by guytaur on May 27, 2012 at 8:56 am

  35. BK:

    Wiferism. I love it. :lol:

    Real Time used to be on Foxtel but I haven’t seen it for a couple of years now. I used to watch it all the time.

    by confessions on May 27, 2012 at 8:58 am

  36. Two people can put an immediate end to this round of leadership speculation. Let’s see if they do it.

    by Gary on May 27, 2012 at 8:58 am

  37. fredn:

    Very true.

    by confessions on May 27, 2012 at 8:59 am

  38. “@ABCNews24: #Insiders now on @ABCNews24, with Climate Change Min. Greg Combet + @annabelcrabb, @dwabriz & @andrewprobyn http://t.co/AhggUgUN #auspol”

    by guytaur on May 27, 2012 at 9:00 am

  39. F*ck me Wilkie, stop the bloody whine. Apparently you were in officer in the ADF. I spent 10 years in the Army as nothing more than a shit kicker NCO and I learnt that the ONLY reason you are a pawn is because you LET yourself be one.

    IMO, Wiklie, whose interests are narrow, is addicted to the limelight. Currently, he’s being overshadowed by Oakshott & Windsor, a couple of eminently sensible, hard-working politicians able to contribute greatly to the development & enhancement of debate and legislation across the spectrum.

    by OzPol Tragic on May 27, 2012 at 9:01 am

  40. Guytaur,

    Fair point.

    I have little time for whingers, my response to people who whinge at me is always, well what are YOU doing about it. Most times I get a dirty look and a lot of bluster.

    by Smaug on May 27, 2012 at 9:01 am

  41. RNM1953
    Posted Sunday, May 27, 2012 at 8:02 am | Permalink
    Never worked in the MSM so I don’t know whether editors or sub- editors would actually change the wording etc in a journos story to give that story a particular slant. But if they do, is it too long a bow to draw that MSM oulets ( given behaviour in UK) would concoct stories with a purpose in mind?

    No, it’s not a long bow at all. And now, unfortunately, it’s right across the spectrum.

    We all know Rupe’s directives – used to be never spoken, but subtle direction nevertheless, until he changed with his overt signal to his editors to ramp up “election now” campaign via twitter.

    With Fairfax, it’s been since former CEO of Woolworths, Rogert Corbett took over, and you can’t tell me that Gina Rinehart’s 14% share of Fairfax doesn’t buy her some “slant” time.

    And then the ABC channels these two media outlets all day, every day.

    by kezza2 on May 27, 2012 at 9:01 am

  42. Now to see how Cassidy handles Thomson week

    by guytaur on May 27, 2012 at 9:02 am

  43. On 27/4 Both Richo & Hewson predicted on #Slynews Agenda that PM Gillard will not last a month. I am expecting PM to be kicked out today.

    by The Finnigans on May 27, 2012 at 9:02 am

  44. Something he should have been doing months before instead of sitting on his hands.

    I said exactly the same thing last year when it became apparent Wilkie wasn’t doing any lobbying of other members.

    I also said at the time that if Wilkie wasn’t prepared to sell his policy in order to leverage the support of other cross benchers, then he obviously wasn’t all that wedded to pokies reform after all.

    Like ltep, I agree that the govt is better off without Wilkie in the fold. He is a loose cannon.

    by confessions on May 27, 2012 at 9:04 am

  45. Gary
    Posted Sunday, May 27, 2012 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    Two people can put an immediate end to this round of leadership speculation. Let’s see if they do it.

    Why would anyone bother?

    by fredn on May 27, 2012 at 9:04 am

  46. confessions, said guytaur: I simply call things as I see them.

    That’s exactly what Wilkie does. He’s a worrier and a whinger who he tries to do the right thing but is never quite sure that he has! I’d have given up working to keep him on side too, if I were the PM with the time constraints she has.

    Watching him leave the chamber when Craig Thomson got up to speak my impression was not of someone who didn’t care. Rather that he’d had a sudden sense of compunction, knowing already some of what Thomson was likely to say, and he needed to reframe his opinion as hitherto expressed. Which he did he did very soon afterwards.

    by PatriciaWA on May 27, 2012 at 9:09 am

  47. Insiders mob dismissing Leadership story

    by guytaur on May 27, 2012 at 9:09 am

  48. Why would anyone bother?

    Why not?

    by Gary on May 27, 2012 at 9:10 am

  49. (janice2 Posted Sunday, May 27, 2012 at 7:59 am | Perm
    janice2 Posted Sunday, May 27, 2012 at 7:59 am | Permalink

    (
    Janice from memory, it was in rudds time mr. Fitzgibbon ended up on the back bench,

    Cannot remember, but at the time i thought he really was a good minister.

    by my say on May 27, 2012 at 9:10 am

  50. The gorgeous Andrew Probyn talking sense on Insiders. Dismisses Ruddstoration stories, gives the reality of the WA circumstance.

    He probably won’t be invited back.

    by confessions on May 27, 2012 at 9:15 am

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