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Seat of the week: Boothby

Last held by Labor in 1949, the southern Adelaide suburbs seat of Boothby has been trending in the party’s direction since the early Howard years.

UPDATE (12/11/12): Essential Research has Labor gaining ground for the second week in a row to attain their best position since March last year. They now trail 52-48, down from 53-47, from primary votes of 37% for Labor (steady), 45% for the Coalition (down one) and 9% for the Greens (steady). Also featured are monthly personal approval ratings, which last time had both leaders up in the immediate aftermath of Julia Gillard’s sexism and misogyny speech. Whereas Gillard has maintained her gains, her approval steady at 41% approval and disapproval down two to 49%, Tony Abbott has fallen to his worst net result ever, his approval down four to 33% and disapproval up four to a new low of 58%. Gillard’s lead as preferred prime minister is up from 43-36 to 45-32, her best result since February 2011. Also canvassed are options on how the government might rein in the budget, with reducing or means testing the baby bonus and increasing tax for those on high incomes respectively coming on top.

The southern Adelaide electorate of Boothby covers coastal suburbs from Brighton south to Marino, extending inland to edge of the coastal plain at Myrtle Bank and the hills at Belair, Eden Hills, Bellevue Heights and Flagstaff Hill. The seat’s Liberal lean is softened by the area around the defunct Tonsley Park Mitsubishi plant, the only part of the electorate with below average incomes and above average ethnic diversity. The redistribution has shaved the Liberal margin from 0.8% to 0.3% by adding about 10,000 in Aberfolye Park from Mayo in the south, and removing 4000 voters at Myrtlebank to Sturt and 1500 at Edwardstown to Hindmarsh.

Boothby was created when South Australia was first divided into electorates in 1903, at which time it was landlocked and extended north into the eastern suburbs. Its coastal areas were acquired when the neighbouring electorate of Hawker was abolished in 1993. Labor held the seat for the first eight years of its existence, and remained competitive until the Menzies government was elected in 1949. This began a long-term trend to the Liberals which peaked in the 1970s, when margins were consistently in double digits. Former Premier and Liberal Movement figurehead Steele Hall held the seat from 1981 until he was succeeded by Andrew Southcott in 1996.

A positive swing in the difficult 2004 election had Labor hopeful of going one better in 2007, inspiring Right powerbrokers to recruit what they imagined to be a star candidate in Nicole Cornes, a minor Adelaide celebrity and wife of local football legend Graham Cornes. However, Cornes only managed a 2.4% swing against a statewide result of 6.8% after a series of disastrous campaign performances. Labor again had high hopes at the 2010 election, seeing in the seat a potential gain to balance anticipated losses in Queensland and New South Wales. However, while the Labor swing of 2.2% outperformed a statewide result of 0.8%, perhaps reflecting a suppressed vote in 2007, it fell 0.8% short of what was required.

Andrew Southcott came to the seat at the age of 26 after winning preselection at the expense of fellow moderate Robert Hill, the faction’s leading light in the Senate. Tony Wright of the Sydney Morning Herald wrote that the Right had built up strength in local branches with a view to unseating its hated rival Steele Hall, and when denied by his retirement turned its guns on Hill as a “surrogate”. Unlike Hill, who went on to become government leader in the Senate, Southcott has led an unremarkable parliamentary career, finally winning promotion after the 2007 election defeat to the Shadow Minister for Employment Participation, Apprenticeships and Training. However, he was demoted to parliamentary secretary when Tony Abbott became leader in December 2009, after backing Malcolm Turnbull in the leadership vote.

Southcott’s preselection for the coming election was challenged by former state party president Chris Moriarty, following disquiet in the party over his fundraising record. However, Moriarty was only able to manage 35 votes in the February 2012 party ballot against 195 for Southcott, support for his challenge reportedly evaporating as the Kevin Rudd leadership challenge came to a head. Southcott will again face his Labor opponent from 2010, Annabel Digance, a former nurse and SA Water Board member factionally aligned with the Right.

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  • 101
    victoria
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    WE KNOW how long governments in Victoria will run. Four years from polling day to polling day was an important reform of the Bracks government, providing certainty and an end to the often-paralysing speculation of when a premier's car would roll up the Government House drive to seek an election. Ted Baillieu should be especially grateful.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/the-trouble-with-big-ted-not-enough-biffo-for-a-start-20121109-293ci.html#ixzz2BlokyUCs

  • 102
    Greensborough Growler
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    WWP,

    The bright shining light reflecting off the tinfoil hat gathers no hysterial publicity or moss.

  • 103
    WeWantPaul
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    GG I just don’t understand the frothing at the mouth over a royal commission and the abuse and condemnation of anyone who doesn’t agree with the lynch mob immediately.

    I’m long used to PB being a place of contempt intolerance and hate directed against people of faith, but this is a new level even for here.

  • 104
    Leroy
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    Coalition floating two things through the AFR today. Nuclear Subs, and the latest reheat of the S&G story.

    http://www.afr.com/f/free/blogs/christopher_joye/coalition_leaders_float_nuclear_FTYU0PR4uJLeGinF94G5kI

    Coalition leaders float nuclear navy
    PUBLISHED: 9 hours 15 MINUTES AGO | UPDATE: 1 hour 47 MINUTES AGO
    Christopher Joye

    Top Coalition leaders want to open the debate over the purchase of nuclear submarines to replace the navy’s diesel fleet, a huge step up in Australia’s military capability in response to China’s plan to become a major maritime power in the Pacific Ocean.

    http://www.afr.com/p/national/what_gillard_knew_about_the_slush_JbGcILLo9O59yt3QGFT68H
    What Gillard knew about the ‘slush fund’
    PUBLISHED: 9 hours 7 MINUTES AGO | UPDATE: 0 hour 0 MINUTES AGO

    Laura Tingle and Mark Skulley
    Julia Gillard had reason to be feeling good when federal Parliament rose last week. The polls were continuing to improve for the Prime Minister and the ALP. The release of the Asian Century white paper finally gave a structure to the government’s agenda for the next election. Ms Gillard held the ascendancy in Parliament over Tony Abbott, who was facing his own pressures and demons.

    But all was not well. Not only was the government in conflict with its cross benches about the budget, but the controversy over Gillard’s role in a 17-year-old union corruption scandal had been revived.]
    Both free articles. I read the second one carefully, it seemed thin on anything new.

  • 105
    Greensborough Growler
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    Diogs,

    I doubt Pell was talking about the NSW police which is what the good Inspector was asserting the other night.

  • 106
    victoria
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    wwp

    For me personally, i am sick of the catholic bashing on this site. I am getting to the point of no longer wishing to post here.

  • 107
    guytaur
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    GG

    Calling for a legal inquiry to get to the bottom of allegations is not the tin foil hat response. Tin foil hat brigade are convinced the allegations are true without evidence. Calling for an inquiry to obtain evidence is in fact very anti tin foil hat behaviour.

    I am for a Royal Commission precisely because we need transparency in this area. Remember for justice to be done it must be seen to be done.
    It is certainly the case that justice has not been seen to be done here.

  • 108
    my say
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    C@tmomma

    Posted Friday, November 9, 2012 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    my say,
    You are exactly the sort of devout Catholic that the Church has relied upon for a very long time to cover for them. If you really love your Church and your Faith and the Holy Trinity you will work hard to have these

    a note for c tomm

    q devout catholic is one that stil goes to mass every sunday, and all the holidays , they whom i know well are rather elderley, my aunt is a methoditst like my father
    and also attends her church every sunday.

    i dont go to church these days but still try to live my faith my own way,
    my thoughts on this is to point out not all people in the church are the same.
    you are a new comer here , most of the people that use to be here, and really dont know me.

    one little story i was once bullied by a boy at school that was not catholic and ask to produce my rosary beads it was as a big sporting event i think i was about 17,\to his shock and amazment i produced them,
    i really had a laugh at the type nonsence,

    i am married to a wonderful catholic man
    whos parents migrated here, ,\my mother in law is what you would call devout,
    they had no where to live and the local priest took them in, no australian protestant offered them shelter.
    she was shunned becuace she was dutch and a catholic.
    the first house the boarded at in sydney the woman
    put a piece of string across the kitchen and told them never to cross that mark
    this dutch lady had worked with my father in law inthe dutch resistance movement sending british pilots back to the uk and hiding them the attic, she protected a family of 8 jews, and when she came here no one offered them shelter
    so dont preach to me about what jesus said.

    o and before i, go i wondered last night if hands would
    come through the computer and burn me at the stack
    or send me to the tower of london

    i hope labor wins the election, but i want be blogging
    here any more.
    and i know my ears will be burning when you all have your little get together

    well so be it.

  • 109
    C@tmomma
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    The attacks from the hard-arsked Right & Faux News, on Rachel Maddow & her sexuality(what that has to do with her analysis, I don’t know), have begun:

    http://www.advocate.com/politics/media/2012/11/09/fox-reporter-calls-maddow-angry-young-man

    Also a faint echo of the PM’s speech having percolated through the consciousness of Americans in this statement in the Comments:

    I apologise if what I say is offending some people, but misogyny is misogyny, and the gender of the person making the slur doesn’t change that.

    :)

  • 110
    Diogenes
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    GG

    Correct. He wasn’t referring to the latest allegations.

  • 111
    Greensborough Growler
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    WWP,

    Yes, must agree. It’s often a case of “off goes the head and on goes the pumpkin” for some of our esteemed posters when religion s discussed.

  • 112
    Oakeshott Country
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    I went to the school which is at the centre of the scandal in Maitland-Newcastle dioscese (I now callit St Peter Pheils). The dioscese is bankrupt, 13 priests have been convicted, my old headmaster was charged but died before getting to court. The age of the priests is slightly younger than the parishioners and both are in the 70s. If there is a Catholoic church in 30 years it will be a small and insignificant thing

    I don’t see that a royal commission will tell us anything we don’t already know. In Maitland there was a ring of paedophile priests whose crimes were hidden by the hierarchy. No doubt paedophiles were attracted to the priesthood in Maitland because of this. Their may still be some active paedophiles but the publicity, their age, small numbers and lack of contact with young people limits their ability to be active.

  • 113
    Diogenes
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    GG

    I should add that I think there should be a RC but it should be include all faiths, not just Catholic.

  • 114
    guytaur
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    OC

    Watch last nights Lateline. Last allegation to surface was 18 months ago.

  • 115
    C@tmomma
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    Gee, Campbell Newman is having such a positive effect on Queensland’s economy and the families that make it up. Not:

    http://ht.ly/faGp0

  • 116
    Greensborough Growler
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    Diogs,

    Perhaps you could include the Jimmy Saville and Gary Gltter types as well. I’m not sure if bicyle riders should be included because they are pedallists.

    What about we investigate everybody. Just to be sure!

  • 117
    WeWantPaul
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    Tin foil hat brigade are convinced the allegations are true without evidence. Calling for an inquiry to obtain evidence is in fact very anti tin foil hat behaviour.

    There needs to be a reason why normal law enforcement is insufficient. We don’t have a royal commission into drug importation every day, we have one (if we ever have) when there is something substantial and important that has been shown to be beyond normal justice. Perverting the course of justice is a very serious crime, and members of the clergy aren’t immune from it.

    Or is it you just want the normal laws of evidence and presumptions of innocence removed and the bonfires lit so we can have a good old fashioned burning at the stake. There would be some irony in that course of action of course.

  • 118
    confessions
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    victoria:

    Thanks for the link to Mega’s last OO column, he makes some very astute observations:

    Rudd was also a great leader after Lehman Brothers collapsed in 2008, just as Howard had been in the wake of Port Arthur in 1996 and the Bali bombings in 2002. But on most days Rudd was PM, he went looking for new ways to diminish the office through over-exposure.

    But I feel his view of the Hawke-Keating era is somewhat tinted by rose-coloured glasses.

  • 119
    guytaur
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    Meredith Bergman coming up soon News 24 (regular sparring segment)

  • 120
    my say
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    ps, how could i possible cover up stuff i know nothing about or ever encounted.

  • 121
    my say
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    ps, how could i possible cover up stuff i know nothing about or ever encounted.

  • 122
    guytaur
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    wewantpaul

    There is good reason. We have whistleblowers coming out telling of cover ups by the church hiding and destroying information needed for convictions on a criminal offence. These are only allegations, but do need robust due process of law to investigate. In the circumstances that is a Royal Commission.

  • 123
    guytaur
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    my say

    The circle of evil is not big. The evidence has been hidden from the vastly good majority.
    Its just like the police force is made up of vastly good people. Yet corruption can enter and undo the work of the good.

  • 124
    Diogenes
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    GG

    As a bare minimum, they should enact uniform mandatory reporting laws across Australia in the case of the clergy (just like we have for doctors, nurses, teachers, social workers etc in SA).

    The Church cannot investigate serious criminal allegations against itself.

  • 125
    C@tmomma
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    So you say Tony Jones went to St Pauls College at Sydney Uni and not St Johns:

    http://www.smh.com.au/technology/elite-college-students-proud-of-prorape-facebook-page-20091108-i3js.html

    I’m sure they weren’t as brazen when he was there but from little seeds, big trees grow:

    http://www.smh.com.au/technology/elite-college-students-proud-of-prorape-facebook-page-20091108-i3js.html

  • 126
    confessions
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    The so-called fiscal cliff explained:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-10/facts-on-the-us-fiscal-cliff/4364668

  • 127
    C@tmomma
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    :oops: Sorry about the double link. Sometimes I preview, sometimes I don’t. :oops:

  • 128
    WeWantPaul
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    But I feel his view of the Hawke-Keating era is somewhat tinted by rose-coloured glasses.

    I agree it was a very different time and Cassidy and friends don’t understand times have changed.

  • 129
    Oakeshott Country
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    Guy
    There will no doubt be allegations some time this year but how is a RC going to help?

  • 130
    WeWantPaul
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    There is good reason. We have whistleblowers coming out telling of cover ups by the church hiding and destroying information needed for convictions on a criminal offence. These are only allegations, but do need robust due process of law to investigate. In the circumstances that is a Royal Commission.

    I disagree, they are allegations of perverting the course of justice that if there is any actual evidence the police should be prosecuting.

  • 131
    guytaur
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    my say

    Remember when the Anglican Church was under attack for the same thing a Royal Commission was avoided by co operation of the Church.
    It then brought down the then GG.
    The same is now happening to the Catholic Church. It is up to those in authority to cooperate with criminal investigations. Failing to do so will bring a Royal Commission at some stage to enforce those authorities to do this.
    This is about the concerns for victims and preventing future victims.
    Not an attack on the Religion and people of faith. There is a difference.

  • 132
    my say
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    al victoira

    the educated that tell us all the time about there degrees in this and that

    that make one feel as my life is a failure
    my son often says mum you dad have three chidren]that\did so well in hsc they could of all got in to medicine
    so the genes came from some where.

    like victoria i have had enough yes i dont contribute
    high fulooting sttuff like some my life is very grass
    rootes .

    which i would suggest is the basis of most true labor people

    i also understand now what living in northerisland
    must of been like no wonder my relies came here/

  • 133
    Socrates
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    Morning all. Two comments before I’m off to do the shopping.

    First I would support the need for a RC into the catholic church. It was precisely my experiences of the hierarchy in it in my twenties that caused me to become an atheist. There are a lot of sweet people at the grass roots level, but some virtual sociopaths at the top. Elaborate logics about saving souls allow them to ignore their consciences while covering up serious crime. Hiding paedophiles has been official policy since at least the early 80s. It really is a criminal conspiracy. I can’t comment on the other churches. Collusion with catholic cops and lawyers is part of it.

  • 134
    guytaur
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    OC

    The problem seems to be systemic with the Catholic Church. Ours is not the only country this has happened with. There is enough evidence of people coming out to making these allegations to warrant a Royal Commission. The Premier has already started an inquiry into the police aspect of this. However the whistleblower Mr Fox was clear the cover up was happening within the Church and denying investigators information needed as evidence for a criminal case. Destroying that evidence. An inquiry into police is not sufficient.

  • 135
    WeWantPaul
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    The Premier has already started an inquiry into the police aspect of this

    Shouldn’t you polish your tinfoil hats until the findings of that come down.

  • 136
    Oakeshott Country
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    One of the lawyers can confirm this but my understanding of evidence at a royal commission cf to court is.
    A. You are compelled to appear
    B. you can not take the 5th – you must answer even if you incriminate yourself
    C. Unless you are declared an uncooperative witness evidence given in the RC can’t be used against you.

    It is an enquiry rather than a court and would be anice little way for offenders to come clean and be forgiven. I would much prefer for the police to do their job and to continue to gaol the buggers.

  • 137
    my say
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    i would ask people who make these assumption

    how do you know

    no like most of us people only assume

    enjoy your huberis or what ever the high faluting word is as my irish grandmother would of said

  • 138
    OzPol Tragic
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    Is there some way a Commission of Inquiry can be set up with a panel of learned individuals, a la the Houston Inquiry, with a Judge, a Representative of the Catholic Church who is above reproach, and a Victim’s Representative from Broken Rites, who will do a thorough and thoughtful investigation into Priest/Child Abuse, without fear or favour or fireworks?

    NO! Definitly NOT!

    Any effective Commission, esp the Royal Commission it should be, MUST be completely independent. No Commission/ Inquiry which involves Stakeholders (in this case the Catholic Church & the victims of its predatory pedophiles) can possibly be completely independent.

    In addition, an effective Commission must be totally quarantined from outside influence, esp any influence, inc intimidation, Stakeholders and their supporters might exert.

    To understand why these provisions (especially the latter) must be met, consider 3 high-profile landmark RCs about which most Bludgers know: UK’s Leveson; Qld’s Fitzgerald; the Commonwealth’s Painters & Dockers now more commonly known as Bottom of the Harbour.

    In not one of those cases was the named Inquiry/ RC the first, or the second, or even the third into the problems they uncovered. They were, however, the first which were not only completely independent, but quarantined from stakeholder influence.

    1. Leveson. In the UK, Murdoch first ran into the sort of trouble which should have shut him down, not recently but in the 80s. And in the early 1990s. And again in the late 1990s over hacking O company’s smart cards/ chips. And again in the early 2000s. More seriously when Princes William’s & Harry’s phones were hacked: which spun off a more “thorough” inquiry and a Parliamentary Select Committee inquiry (soon shut down). Only when the scandalously compromised Report of that “thorough” inquiry, was handed down (2009) the phone hacking scandal blew out very publicly, did NewsIntel’s hacking victims, police victims, MP’s who had been intimidated by Murdoch’s agents etc come forward, all fueling demands for a more thorough Inquiry that Murdoch’s agents couldn’t manipulate.

    2 Qld’s Fitzgerald was by no means the first into police & government corruption. Inquiries actually started in the 1960s. Qld had already held at least one on National Hotel prostitution & police corruption, one into Whisky a GoGo fire, and several others. It would, however, take what (considering the past’s multiple successful legal actions against whistle-blowers and journos) were very courageous steps: Phil Dickie’s damning reports in the CM; Chris Masters devastating Moonlight State, and Joh BP’s being well out of the state (?US) & unable to intervene, for Acting premier Bill Gunn to set up the Inquiry.

    3. Costigan (Painters & Dockers) As well as being but the latest inquiry into union activities, or even into tax evasion, or into crime into relation to each, Fraser’s Costigan Commission (Painters’ & Dockers’ Union) would become a dire warning of the truth of the adage Never call a Royal Commission unless you definitely know what the outcome will be.

    Costigan’s investigations would uncover:

    crimes of Union members ... "taxation fraud, social security fraud, ghosting, compensation fraud, theft on a grand scale, extortion, the handling of massive importations of drugs, the shipments of armaments, all manner of violence and murder." Despite the union's members being "careless of their reputation, glorying in its infamy" that very reputation attracted "employment by wealthy people outside their ranks who stoop to use their criminal prowess to achieve their own questionable ends."

    Those wealthy people outside their ranks would turn Costigan RC’s spotlight on very senior Coalition members & backers; the Fraser Government’s handling of taxation – legislation as well as implementation, supervision and policing – and on the performance of Fraser’s own innovation, the Australian Federal Police.

    The moral of the above examples (only a small selection of best-known one)?

    The current Australian scandal – especially as it’s but a “local” example of what has proved to be a global scandal in any countries with RC institutions: the US and Irish scandals have been horrific & sickening (& involved long-term and pervasive intimidation of victims, whistle-blowers, victim support groups & government members); the German is said to have shocked the Pope (though many of the crimes took part during his “watch”) – demands a Royal Commission: a completely independent commission which is well and truly quarantined from any possibility of Stakeholder or other outsider influence, intrusion, esp intimidation (which have presented such major problems with so many earlier inquiries in so many countries.

  • 139
    guytaur
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    WeWantPaul

    Good try. Guess what? Calling for a Royal Commission to obtain evidence is not tinfoil hat behaviour. Tin foil hat behaviour is ignoring evidence obtained. e.g. the moon landing. It happened it was not a hollywood fake. Evidence is solid.
    Denial of constant claims of abuse and whistle blowers of cover up within any organisation is tin foil hat behaviour.
    Lets have a proper legal conducted inquiry into the evidence to find out the truth.
    Its the very antithesis of tin foil hat behaviour to call for evidence to base conclusions on.

  • 140
    Socrates
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    Second comment applies to the US election result:

    Donald Trump posted a message on Twitter saying: ''Congrats to @KarlRove on blowing $400 million this cycle. Every race @CrossroadsGPS ran ads in, the Republicans lost. What a waste of money.''
    The election day results showed Mr Rove's strategy of bringing in huge donations from a few wealthy benefactors and spending that money almost completely on television advertising failed.

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/republican-anger-over-rove-waste-of-money-20121109-293dp.html#ixzz2BltoU7ds

    Putting aside the satisfaction psephological types feel, and the schadenfreude induced by the republican implosion, I think the US election is a watershed moment for the value of TV advertising. It’s influence is waning. Romney and Rove spent a bomb on tv, and got back nothing. Obamas campaign was still huge and expensive, but more focused and made much better use of social media. Not a focus group in sight either. It was all about gathering data and responding directly via new media. This lesson surely applies in Australia. Time to talk to Jim Messina.
    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/victory-for-technology-20121109-293c5.html

    Off to do the shopping. Have a nice day. It is beautiful outside here in Adelaide. Don’t miss it.

  • 141
    WeWantPaul
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 11:03 am | Permalink

    Calling for a Royal Commission to obtain evidence is not tinfoil hat behaviour. Tin foil hat behaviour is ignoring evidence obtained. e.g. the moon landing. It happened it was not a hollywood fake. Evidence is solid.

    I disagree completely. So essentially you want a RC because the normal law enforcement can’t obtain sufficient evidence, so lets suspend normal rules and demand people incriminate themselves, and if they don’t well then lets just jail them because we don’t like them.

    That is the tinfoil stuff.

  • 142
    Greensborough Growler
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    Diogs,

    We are a Federation and the chances of uniform State Laws on anything is zero.

    However, Im of the understanding that the Church has to comply with all the same laws re dealing with children as other bodies. perhaps you know different?

    As WWP mentioned, the most serious aspect of the current assertions is the “perversion of justice”. I agree that if this can be proven, then the perpetrators should be punished.

    However, this can be handled under current processes and does not require an expensive white elephant called a RC.

  • 143
    guytaur
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 11:07 am | Permalink

    WeWantPaul

    Ah so you are a tin foil hat wearer not accepting the fact that mankind landed on the moon.
    No wonder you do not accept there is enough smoke to justify a RC to see if there really is a fire.

  • 144
    guytaur
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    GG

    No not true. For decades the usual processes have not been sufficient to uncover if the claims of “perversion of justice” are true.
    A RC will clear it up once and for all one way or the other.

  • 145
    Greensborough Growler
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    guytaur,

    A typically immature comment.

    Absolutely, pathetic.

  • 146
    guytaur
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    GG

    A typical immature response from you. Insult the messenger rather than look at the point.
    This because you know you are defending the indefensible.

  • 147
    Diogenes
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    GG

    However, Im of the understanding that the Church has to comply with all the same laws re dealing with children as other bodies. perhaps you know different?

    The problem is that the Church doesn’t have to mandatorily report child abuse claims. Bodies like hospitals, schools etc do and I think the legislation should include the Church.

    I agree there is a difficulty with getting uniform state laws but it has happened with other areas.

  • 148
    guytaur
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    “@MrDenmore: If there were evidence of systematic cover ups of child abuse in the Islamic church in Australia, would politicians prevaricate?”

  • 149
    WeWantPaul
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 11:17 am | Permalink

    Ah so you are a tin foil hat wearer not accepting the fact that mankind landed on the moon.
    No wonder you do not accept there is enough smoke to justify a RC to see if there really is a fire.

    You do realize making up really stupid untrue claims like I don’t accept man landed on the moon detracts from everything you say. the moon comparison was always a poor / weird metaphor but I left it alone rather than be unnecessarily critical, but I see you were using it as a primary school type gotcha …. *rolls eyes*

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    guytaur
    Posted Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    “@denniallen: Abbott is very quiet over Catholic church child sex abuse/yet screams fro roof tops over Thomson/Slipper! Whats wrong with this picture?”

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