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		<title>By: crikey whitey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2012/11/10/seat-of-the-week-boothby/comment-page-44/#comment-1470534</link>
		<dc:creator>crikey whitey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So whomever put up Frank Brennan as GG should surely have a change of mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So whomever put up Frank Brennan as GG should surely have a change of mind.</p>
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		<title>By: crikey whitey</title>
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		<dc:creator>crikey whitey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watching Lateline late.

Gobsmacked that Brennan would offer, as I suppose he means that, a defence of abusers.

That, released from the church, they would offend against their own children.

Meaning what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watching Lateline late.</p>
<p>Gobsmacked that Brennan would offer, as I suppose he means that, a defence of abusers.</p>
<p>That, released from the church, they would offend against their own children.</p>
<p>Meaning what?</p>
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		<title>By: deblonay</title>
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		<dc:creator>deblonay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 12:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cardinal Pedll and his statements on Climate Change
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If you want to condemn Pell read his stupid anti-climate change rhetoric.
He is a shockling reactionary..even the Pope isn&#039;t as bad on this matter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cardinal Pedll and his statements on Climate Change<br />
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If you want to condemn Pell read his stupid anti-climate change rhetoric.<br />
He is a shockling reactionary..even the Pope isn&#8217;t as bad on this matter</p>
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		<title>By: deblonay</title>
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		<dc:creator>deblonay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 12:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>POST&quot; SANDY&quot; PROBLEMS IN NY
&quot;No Heat,No Light No sign of any relief &quot;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
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This article from :Counterpounch&quot; looks at the real suffering of many people in parts of the USA where after 10 days there is no power and no sight of any real relief for  Hurricane victims...and  where there is a growing sense of alarm at the effects of climate change

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/11/12/the-aftermath-of-of-hurricane-sandy/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>POST&#8221; SANDY&#8221; PROBLEMS IN NY<br />
&#8220;No Heat,No Light No sign of any relief &#8220;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br />
____________________________<br />
This article from :Counterpounch&#8221; looks at the real suffering of many people in parts of the USA where after 10 days there is no power and no sight of any real relief for  Hurricane victims&#8230;and  where there is a growing sense of alarm at the effects of climate change</p>
<p><a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/11/12/the-aftermath-of-of-hurricane-sandy/" rel="nofollow">http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/11/12/the-aftermath-of-of-hurricane-sandy/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dario</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 12:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FFS Lateline. Manages to get all the negative angles for the govt on the RC announcement it can. &#039;Pressure&#039; on the government, then an interview with one priest who says the terms are too broad, and then this Brennan clown saying it&#039;s a government &#039;on the ropes&#039;. Absolutely incredible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FFS Lateline. Manages to get all the negative angles for the govt on the RC announcement it can. &#8216;Pressure&#8217; on the government, then an interview with one priest who says the terms are too broad, and then this Brennan clown saying it&#8217;s a government &#8216;on the ropes&#8217;. Absolutely incredible.</p>
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		<title>By: briefly</title>
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		<dc:creator>briefly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[2085
Laocoon

.......one of the benefits that accrues with incumbency is that people begin to identify the characteristics of the individual as being “primeministerial”, that this was starting with Gillard, and that this was very bad news for Abbott]

I agree. I think it is fairly understandable that people want to identify with and show loyalty for their leaders, whoever they might turn out to be. This is a more or less involuntary behaviour. 

In JG&#039;s case, several things have happened that have freed up popular willingness to affiliate with her as &quot;Leader&quot;, though there was widespread refusal to accept her in this way until relatively recently. Partly, this has occurred just with the passage of time, with increasing familiarity and as the challenge from Rudd petered out. The stable performance of the economy and the sense of composure in the Government have also indubitably helped.

But beyond this, my thesis is the public have also now seen her as a &quot;real person&quot; - as more than a political construct. The shift in sentiment followed the death of her father when Jones and the Liberals breached one of the few remaining taboos in our culture by mocking the whole notion of filial pride, loyalty, love and grief. 

The public identified with a woman-in-mourning and, in so doing, looked right past her political office. They saw, felt for and responded to a person feeling all the things they themselves feel and know. They then had the  experience of seeing her in astonishing form in Parliament. She showed she was anything but demoralized. Rather she was highly energized, impassioned, indignant, acute and utterly authentic. She is becoming an &quot;everywoman&quot; and therefore signifies virtues that both invoke loyalty and are beyond politics at the same time.

There is such as a thing as &quot;feeling one&#039;s heart go out&quot; for another. I have experienced this occasionally in my life. It is quite palpable and involuntary. I expect this happens very rarely to politicians while they are in office. But I think something like this has happened between JG and many Australians. To take this even further, they feel &quot;for&quot; or &quot;with&quot; JG the person, not just &quot;about&quot; JG the politician. The whole popular vocabulary used to describe and relate to JG has changed in the last few months. As a consequence, she will not now be measured and defined purely by political theatrics and polemics. 

(By contrast, JG&#039;s opponents are now mere game-players - just fakes, posers, hucksters and grizzling wannabes. They have specialized in fermenting and peddling contempt and now they must repeatedly swill their own noisome brew. Kanpai, I say, Kanpai!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>2085<br />
Laocoon</p>
<p>.......one of the benefits that accrues with incumbency is that people begin to identify the characteristics of the individual as being “primeministerial”, that this was starting with Gillard, and that this was very bad news for Abbott</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree. I think it is fairly understandable that people want to identify with and show loyalty for their leaders, whoever they might turn out to be. This is a more or less involuntary behaviour. </p>
<p>In JG&#8217;s case, several things have happened that have freed up popular willingness to affiliate with her as &#8220;Leader&#8221;, though there was widespread refusal to accept her in this way until relatively recently. Partly, this has occurred just with the passage of time, with increasing familiarity and as the challenge from Rudd petered out. The stable performance of the economy and the sense of composure in the Government have also indubitably helped.</p>
<p>But beyond this, my thesis is the public have also now seen her as a &#8220;real person&#8221; &#8211; as more than a political construct. The shift in sentiment followed the death of her father when Jones and the Liberals breached one of the few remaining taboos in our culture by mocking the whole notion of filial pride, loyalty, love and grief. </p>
<p>The public identified with a woman-in-mourning and, in so doing, looked right past her political office. They saw, felt for and responded to a person feeling all the things they themselves feel and know. They then had the  experience of seeing her in astonishing form in Parliament. She showed she was anything but demoralized. Rather she was highly energized, impassioned, indignant, acute and utterly authentic. She is becoming an &#8220;everywoman&#8221; and therefore signifies virtues that both invoke loyalty and are beyond politics at the same time.</p>
<p>There is such as a thing as &#8220;feeling one&#8217;s heart go out&#8221; for another. I have experienced this occasionally in my life. It is quite palpable and involuntary. I expect this happens very rarely to politicians while they are in office. But I think something like this has happened between JG and many Australians. To take this even further, they feel &#8220;for&#8221; or &#8220;with&#8221; JG the person, not just &#8220;about&#8221; JG the politician. The whole popular vocabulary used to describe and relate to JG has changed in the last few months. As a consequence, she will not now be measured and defined purely by political theatrics and polemics. </p>
<p>(By contrast, JG&#8217;s opponents are now mere game-players &#8211; just fakes, posers, hucksters and grizzling wannabes. They have specialized in fermenting and peddling contempt and now they must repeatedly swill their own noisome brew. Kanpai, I say, Kanpai!)</p>
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		<title>By: frednk</title>
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		<dc:creator>frednk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[my say
Posted Monday, November 12, 2012 at 10:26 pm &#124; Permalink
...

but i bet all of you celebrate christmas]

My say what has happened is indefensible. Lay Catholics should be encouraging the exposure of this evil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>my say<br />
Posted Monday, November 12, 2012 at 10:26 pm | Permalink<br />
...</p>
<p>but i bet all of you celebrate christmas</p></blockquote>
<p>My say what has happened is indefensible. Lay Catholics should be encouraging the exposure of this evil.</p>
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		<title>By: bemused</title>
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		<dc:creator>bemused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2012/11/10/seat-of-the-week-boothby/?comment_page=44/#comment-1470292&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my say@2156&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;
well  i see the catholic bashing is still going on

you know who your are,  

give a rest will you,  it doesnt realy seem very educated

to talk about one institution alone,

no wonder state aid is an issue  will that be next

some people are addicted to finding fault wth the catholic

church and  chrstians  as a whole

but i bet all of you celebrate christmas
&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Please give specific examples of &#039;Catholic bashing&#039; or if you can&#039;t then please stop your whingeing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2012/11/10/seat-of-the-week-boothby/?comment_page=44/#comment-1470292" rel="nofollow">my say@2156</a></p>
<blockquote><p><i><br />
well  i see the catholic bashing is still going on</p>
<p>you know who your are,  </p>
<p>give a rest will you,  it doesnt realy seem very educated</p>
<p>to talk about one institution alone,</p>
<p>no wonder state aid is an issue  will that be next</p>
<p>some people are addicted to finding fault wth the catholic</p>
<p>church and  chrstians  as a whole</p>
<p>but i bet all of you celebrate christmas<br />
</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Please give specific examples of &#8216;Catholic bashing&#8217; or if you can&#8217;t then please stop your whingeing.</p>
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		<title>By: Puff, the Magic Dragon.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Puff, the Magic Dragon.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want my take (non-professional)on it, it is a load of hocus-pocus and should not ever be used as evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want my take (non-professional)on it, it is a load of hocus-pocus and should not ever be used as evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Puff, the Magic Dragon.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Puff, the Magic Dragon.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Say,
It is not to do with Christmas. Christmas will be better for everybody with the paedophiles out of the church. And it is not just the CC, or any church, or just Christians. Just focus on the good which will come out of this. This is like the moneychangers being tossed out of the Temple. Only this time it is the people who abuse children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Say,<br />
It is not to do with Christmas. Christmas will be better for everybody with the paedophiles out of the church. And it is not just the CC, or any church, or just Christians. Just focus on the good which will come out of this. This is like the moneychangers being tossed out of the Temple. Only this time it is the people who abuse children.</p>
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