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Galaxy: 54-46 to Coalition

A poll of federal voting intention from Galaxy comes in at the lower end of Labor’s recent form, and offers some rather murky findings on the AWU affair.

GhostWhoVotes reports Galaxy has plugged a hole in the Newspoll and Nielsen schedules with a federal poll conducted from 1015 respondents on Wednesday and Thursday (UPDATE: Make that Thursday and Friday – The Management). The result is at the low end of Labor’s recent form, with the Coalition leading 48% to 34% on the primary vote and 54-46 on two-party preferred, compared with 47% to 35% and 53-47 in the Galaxy poll of a month ago. The Greens vote is steady on 11%.

Galaxy also grapples with the AWU matter, with what to my mind are problematic results. Poll questions are most effective when gauging basic affective responses, namely positive or negative feelings towards a person or thing, and mutually exclusive choices, such as preferences out of political parties or election candidates. On this score, the best question to emerge so far has been Morgan’s effort on approval or disapproval of the Prime Minister’s handling of the controversy. Difficulties emerge where the range of potential opinions is open-ended, as too much depends on the choices offered by the pollster.

A case in point is Galaxy’s question on whether Gillard had “lied” (31%), been “open and honest” (21%) or, as a middle course, been “economical with the truth” (31%). Particularly where complex or half-understood issues are involved, choices like this are known to activate the strategy of “satisficing” (“choosing the easiest response because it requires less thinking”, according one of the pithier definitions available). This results in a bias towards intermediate responses, in this case the “economical with the truth” option.

I have similar doubts about Galaxy’s question as to whether respondents believed Gillard “should provide a full account of her involvement through a statement in parliament”, an over-elaborate proposition that feels tailored towards eliciting a positive response. Sixty per cent of respondents duly gave it one, although it is clear the thought would have occurred to few of them before being put to them by the interviewer. Only 26% offered that such a statement was unnecessary, with 14% undecided.

Then there is the finding that 26% of respondents said the issue had made them less likely to vote Labor. Like any such question, this would have attracted many positive responses from those whose pre-existing chance of voting Labor was zero. However, the question at least allows us to compare the results to those of similarly framed questions in the past. In July, a Galaxy poll found that 33% were less likely to vote Labor because of the budget. In January, 39% of respondents to a Westpoll survey said power price hikes had made them less likely to vote for the Barnett government. In July of last year, The Australian reported polling by UMR Research (commissioned, it must be noted, by Clubs Australia) had 23% of voters less likely to vote Labor due to mandatory pre-commitment for poker machines. And a month after Kevin Rudd was deposed as Prime Minister in June 2010, Nielsen found the proportion saying they were less likely to vote Labor as a result was similar to today’s finding: 25%.

UPDATE: GhostWhoVotes reports News Limited has published a further result from the Galaxy poll, a four-way preferred prime minister question which has Kevin Rudd on 27%, Malcolm Turnbull on 23%, Julia Gillard on 18% and Tony Abbott on 17%.

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  • 1051
    confessions
    Posted Sunday, December 2, 2012 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    Musing on the tragedy facing Abbott and the msm.

    You miss the point. It’s all Gillard’s fault. If only she didn’t focus on abstract issues like sexism and misogyny there’d be no problem.

  • 1052
    bemused
    Posted Sunday, December 2, 2012 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    Hahahahaha…
    confessions 1049 followed by my 1050 says it all.

  • 1053
    zoomster
    Posted Sunday, December 2, 2012 at 11:06 pm | Permalink

    Loved this quote (from the Bartlett article linked to by Leroy above) –

    dismissing critics like me for being “the reality-based community.”

  • 1054
    Henry
    Posted Sunday, December 2, 2012 at 11:07 pm | Permalink

    bemused@1043


    Henry@1038


    Slightly hamfisted response. Apologies.
    My interactions with the people I know tell me that Julia is winning a grudging respect out there in the electorate.
    I work in that great labor heartland (cue the lols), greater western sydney, and have have slowly seen over time the masses slowly but surely coming over to Julia.
    They used to hate her, now they aren’t sure about her. The perception is changing with these bogans (and yes they are bogans).
    It’s a slow burn but it is happening.
    bemused@1030




    Henry@1023
    The other thing is, my experiences match, as best I can estimate, that poll.



    As do mine.

    Huh? How can that be when you are disputing the poll?

    I cannot say it is correct, just that it seems plausible.

  • 1055
    Henry
    Posted Sunday, December 2, 2012 at 11:10 pm | Permalink

    apologies for the weird quoting.

  • 1056
    Henry
    Posted Sunday, December 2, 2012 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    bemused@1043


    Henry@1038



    bemused@1030




    Henry@1023
    The other thing is, my experiences match, as best I can estimate, that poll.



    As do mine.

    Huh? How can that be when you are disputing the poll?

    I cannot say it is correct, just that it seems plausible.

    Slightly hamfisted response. Apologies.
    My interactions with the people I know tell me that Julia is winning a grudging respect out there in the electorate.
    I work in that great labor heartland (cue the lols), greater western sydney, and have have slowly seen over time the masses slowly but surely coming over to Julia.
    They used to hate her, now they aren’t sure about her. The perception is changing with these bogans (and yes they are bogans).
    It’s a slow burn but it is happening

  • 1057
    bemused
    Posted Sunday, December 2, 2012 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

    Henry@1054


    bemused@1043



    Henry@1038



    Slightly hamfisted response. Apologies.
    My interactions with the people I know tell me that Julia is winning a grudging respect out there in the electorate.
    I work in that great labor heartland (cue the lols), greater western sydney, and have have slowly seen over time the masses slowly but surely coming over to Julia.
    They used to hate her, now they aren’t sure about her. The perception is changing with these bogans (and yes they are bogans).
    It’s a slow burn but it is happening.
    bemused@1030





    Henry@1023
    The other thing is, my experiences match, as best I can estimate, that poll.






    As do mine.

    Huh? How can that be when you are disputing the poll?

    I cannot say it is correct, just that it seems plausible.

    I think you got tricked by the quick post but I think I sorted it out.

    The people I mix with are not bogans although I occasionally encounter some by accident.

    Anyway, I think we can both be assured we don’t meet a random sample.

    I am just going by the vehemence of people I would have expected to be fairly moderately one way or the other. It is really rather alarming.

  • 1058
    confessions
    Posted Sunday, December 2, 2012 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    Australian families will save $250 every year on their electricity bills under a plan unveiled by Prime Minister Julia Gillard.

    Ms Gillard today announced she would be taking her plan to State premiers at next week’s Council of Australian Governments in Canberra.

    The strategy will address the “real drivers” of high power prices such as the over investment - or “gold plating” - of Australia’s electricity network, Ms Gillard said.

    Great stuff, announced earlier today. I see that the opps are opposed. WTF?
    http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/15531943/families-to-save-250-under-pm-power-plan/

  • 1059
    bemused
    Posted Sunday, December 2, 2012 at 11:14 pm | Permalink

    Henry, we need to start a new thread :P

  • 1060
    confessions
    Posted Sunday, December 2, 2012 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    Hahahahaha…
    confessions 1049 followed by my 1050 says it all.

    Good grief you really are unhinged.

  • 1061
    cud chewer
    Posted Sunday, December 2, 2012 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    Good to see the “$250″ power saving end up on the front page.

    A couple of things that concern me about this debate though.

    First, there is a danger confusing “gold plating” with sensible upgrades.

    Second, I would have really preferred to hear more about how solar will meet the needs of the hottest days of the year and thus be the thing that saves billions on the grid.

  • 1062
    bemused
    Posted Sunday, December 2, 2012 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    cud chewer@1061


    Good to see the “$250″ power saving end up on the front page.

    A couple of things that concern me about this debate though.

    First, there is a danger confusing “gold plating” with sensible upgrades.

    Second, I would have really preferred to hear more about how solar will meet the needs of the hottest days of the year and thus be the thing that saves billions on the grid.

    There are quite a lot of issues that need to be sorted out so I will be most interested in the detail. I made some comments earlier today on this.

  • 1063
    Thornleigh Labor Man
    Posted Sunday, December 2, 2012 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if Julia and Tim do their bit to cut down on electricity usage at The Lodge or Kirribilli House? :lol:

  • 1064
    Thornleigh Labor Man
    Posted Sunday, December 2, 2012 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    Bemused: I think you’re always fighting a losing battle here, but I admire your courage and persistance in swimming against the tide, so to speak.

  • 1065
    C@tmomma
    Posted Sunday, December 2, 2012 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    DUMPED 2UE radio host Mike Smith finally had something to smile about – tying the knot with the love of his life Katarina Kroslakova in a wedding bash with a difference at Bells hotel in Killcare.

    :mad: If only I’d known they were there on December 11,2011, I would have walked through the bush to Bells and let down the tires on their ‘Stretch Limo’. Or thrown some tin tacks on the dance floor under ‘twinkle Toes’ Brandis’ feet. :D

  • 1066
    davidwh
    Posted Sunday, December 2, 2012 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    Bemused from earlier this evening. There is a good chance both you and my family may have reason to be pleased with me in 2013. Although I may yet get the chance to vote for PalmerInc :)

  • 1067
    C@tmomma
    Posted Sunday, December 2, 2012 at 11:30 pm | Permalink

    I see Thornleigh Rudd Man is still pining for the Pixie Fjords.

    Obviously didn’t see Insiders today. :)

  • 1068
    bemused
    Posted Sunday, December 2, 2012 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

    davidwh@1066


    Bemused from earlier this evening. There is a good chance both you and my family may have reason to be pleased with me in 2013. Although I may yet get the chance to vote for PalmerInc

    Well then where would your preference go :D

  • 1069
    davidwh
    Posted Sunday, December 2, 2012 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    I was only kidding on PalmerInc. I could never vote for his party but assuming I was to then I think you and the family would be happy with my preference.

    It’s a bit ugly at present.

  • 1070
    Thornleigh Labor Man
    Posted Sunday, December 2, 2012 at 11:39 pm | Permalink

    INSIDERS stopped being relevant when Barry Cassidy was allowed to indulge in his self-indulgent spat with Kevin Rudd.

  • 1071
    Marrickville Mauler
    Posted Sunday, December 2, 2012 at 11:40 pm | Permalink

    (contemplates wasting tiny amount of electricity trying to educate TLM and decides against)

  • 1072
    bemused
    Posted Sunday, December 2, 2012 at 11:42 pm | Permalink

    Marrickville Mauler@1071


    (contemplates wasting tiny amount of electricity trying to educate TLM and decides against)

    Wise choice.

  • 1073
    Henry
    Posted Sunday, December 2, 2012 at 11:42 pm | Permalink

    Fair point Bemused. Still find this quotation thing with PB hard to get used to.
    Bottom line, Julia is winning respect. Long way to go and this power rebate will placate the bogans somewhat but still some steps forward to be made.
    The boat people is the last piece in the puzzle for the bogans out west (Sydney).

  • 1074
    Sohar
    Posted Sunday, December 2, 2012 at 11:42 pm | Permalink

    Thomas Keneally interviewed in the Guardian/Observer today:

    “It’s OK to be one of those stupid, old, geriatric males who have a debate with the television. There are many areas on which I disagree with Julia Gillard, the Australian prime minister – but the other day, when she got stuck into Tony Abbott for sexism, I was all: “You go, girl!”, like an American.”

  • 1075
    bemused
    Posted Sunday, December 2, 2012 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

    Henry@1073


    Fair point Bemused. Still find this quotation thing with PB hard to get used to.
    Bottom line, Julia is winning respect. Long way to go and this power rebate will placate the bogans somewhat but still some steps forward to be made.
    The boat people is the last piece in the puzzle for the bogans out west (Sydney).

    Ahhhem… I was born in Western Sydney – Auburn to be precise.
    The only solution I see to the boat people is for Indonesia to be given enough incentive to accept them back to their point of embarkation. And with the squillions being wasted on Nauru and Manus, there is plenty that would be available.

  • 1076
    Henry
    Posted Sunday, December 2, 2012 at 11:52 pm | Permalink

    Malaysia would also help Bemused. The full Angus report really must be implemented for success to be measured. How would have Rudd done different?

    (And Auburn is not reaaaaalllly Western Sydney these days. Almost inner west.)

  • 1077
    Dee
    Posted Sunday, December 2, 2012 at 11:56 pm | Permalink

    A poll question which leads those being canvassed by the nose for a desired result.
    Not worth arguing about!

  • 1078
    bemused
    Posted Sunday, December 2, 2012 at 11:58 pm | Permalink

    Henry@1076


    Malaysia would also help Bemused. The full Angus report really must be implemented for success to be measured. How would have Rudd done different?

    (And Auburn is not reaaaaalllly Western Sydney these days. Almost inner west.)

    Little Iraq I believe.
    I also attend primary school there for a couple of years before my family moved to the Woollongong area.

    Later on I attended Granville Boys High for about 6 months. Real blackboard jungle.

  • 1079
    bemused
    Posted Sunday, December 2, 2012 at 11:59 pm | Permalink

    Henry@1076


    Malaysia would also help Bemused. The full Angus report really must be implemented for success to be measured. How would have Rudd done different?

    (And Auburn is not reaaaaalllly Western Sydney these days. Almost inner west.)

    Yes indeed but I suspect a cap is not a good idea as it suggests a possible end to returns.

  • 1080
    bemused
    Posted Monday, December 3, 2012 at 12:01 am | Permalink

    Dee@1077


    A poll question which leads those being canvassed by the nose for a desired result.
    Not worth arguing about!

    It is tainted by that, but I don’t think it can be completely dismissed.

  • 1081
    bemused
    Posted Monday, December 3, 2012 at 12:04 am | Permalink

    Goodnight all.

  • 1082
    Dee
    Posted Monday, December 3, 2012 at 12:05 am | Permalink

    Bemused

    It is tainted by that, but I don’t think it can be completely dismissed.

    I think ‘tainted’ is enough to dismiss it completely.

  • 1083
    Henry
    Posted Monday, December 3, 2012 at 12:07 am | Permalink

    bemused@1079


    Henry@1076



    Point is it should be given a chance to work. The noalition say no sadly. Personally I think it could work
    Malaysia would also help Bemused. The full Angus report really must be implemented for success to be measured. How would have Rudd done different?


    (And Auburn is not reaaaaalllly Western Sydney these days. Almost inner west.)


    Yes indeed but I suspect a cap is not a good idea as it suggests a possible end to returns.

  • 1084
    Henry
    Posted Monday, December 3, 2012 at 12:13 am | Permalink

    bemused@1079


    Henry@1076



    Malaysia would also help Bemused. The full Angus report really must be implemented for success to be measured. How would have Rudd done different?


    (And Auburn is not reaaaaalllly Western Sydney these days. Almost inner west.)


    Yes indeed but I suspect a cap is not a good idea as it suggests a possible end to returns.

    What is the ALP cap?
    Govt is trying to do the right thing.

  • 1085
    cud chewer
    Posted Monday, December 3, 2012 at 12:19 am | Permalink

    This is curious..

    Currently on google news is this item..

    It's the end of the world as we know it
    Sydney Morning Herald - ‎31 minutes ago‎
    THE world is on track to see "an unrecognisable planet" that is between 4 and 6 degrees hotter by the end of this century, according to new data on greenhouse gas emissions.

    And it leads to this link..

    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it-20121202-2ap4l.html

    “page not found”

    I wonder what gives?

  • 1086
    PAAPTSEF
    Posted Monday, December 3, 2012 at 12:47 am | Permalink

    “page not found”

    I wonder what gives?

    same thing at theage, canberratimes, brisbanetimes and watoday.

  • 1087
    rishane
    Posted Monday, December 3, 2012 at 12:56 am | Permalink

    So this is interesting:

    t was an extraordinarily undemocratic piece of law and Katter was rightly aggrieved. So too was he entitled to declare it a sign the major parties were worried about him expanding his influence.

    There are federal implications in Queensland, a state in which not that long ago Labor was tipped to be totally wiped out. The mess plaguing Newman's government has given Labor hope it could actually pick up four Coalition seats in south-east Queensland.

    And Katter is so angry at last week's legislation, it is likely he will preference Labor in Queensland, giving it a shot at taking back seats such as Dawson.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/big-dreams-not-just-the-hat-talking-20121202-2aosw.html#ixzz2Du1xRn9f

  • 1088
    confessions
    Posted Monday, December 3, 2012 at 1:24 am | Permalink

    The mess plaguing Newman's government has given Labor hope it could actually pick up four Coalition seats in south-east Queensland.

    Interestingly it was Labor’s pollster who said the party could pick up this many seats at the next election.

  • 1089
    Bird of paradox
    Posted Monday, December 3, 2012 at 1:42 am | Permalink

    Speaking of Katter and Palmer, anyone come across this yet?

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/sir-johs-son-and-clive-palmer-a-big-worry-for-lnp-government/story-e6freoof-1226528044796

    The Sunday Mail has obtained the results of a Galaxy Research poll taken on Tuesday and Wednesday in the seat of Maranoa, which shows that longtime LNP MP Bruce Scott would face a strong challenge from Mr Bjelke-Petersen.

    ...

    In Maranoa, half the 350 people polled said they would be likely to vote for "a party that would unify Australia" and 43 per cent said they would be likely to support Mr Bjelke-Petersen, rising to 45 per cent among LNP voters.

    The research was commissioned by "a consortium of businesses".

    Mr Scott has held the traditional National Party heartland seat of Maranoa since 1990 and won a 65.5 per cent primary vote (72.0 per cent two-party preferred) at the August 2010 election.

    The Galaxy Poll found his primary vote would be cut to 53 per cent if an election was held now, with Katter's Australia Party picking up 15 per cent of votes.

    It’s not quite clear from the way it’s worded, but it looks like John Bjelke-Petersen would be running as some kind of Palmer backed independent, against both Bruce Scott and KAP. That’d be an interesting mess if it happened… Labor would probably wimp out and write it off as a seat they’d come fourth in. B-P the younger couldn’t win Nanango off an ex-One Nation independent in 2006 or 2009 as a Nat, and then didn’t get preselected in 2012 when the LNP won it back… I guess he must really want to carry on the family business.

  • 1090
    Kevin Bonham
    Posted Monday, December 3, 2012 at 2:24 am | Permalink

    As for that Maranoa poll, sounds like probably either a push-poll or a skew-poll, and in the unlikely case that it is neither then it rises to the status of being just blatantly defective rubbish.

    Asserting that a given party would unify Australia is blatantly spurious and if you ask “would you vote for a party that would unify Australia” and then “would you vote for candidate blah” then you are going to get an inflated response for candidate blah.

    (Skew-poll is my name for a poll that doesn’t aim to convince the subject of anything but that employs misleading wording or lead-in questions to try to skew the result so that the client can then report a result that is in their favour.)

  • 1091
    This little black duck
    Posted Monday, December 3, 2012 at 5:15 am | Permalink

    Merry Christmas, David!

    Labour leader Ed Miliband has set David Cameron a Christmas deadline to back a new law to regulate the press, saying he will pull the plug on cross-party talks if the prime minister has not signed up by then.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/dec/01/ed-miliband-deadline-press-regulation

    When Gordon Brown was in No 11 Downing Street, last-minute tweaks and late-night dashes to the printers were part of the ritual in the runup to a major outing for the chancellor at the dispatch box.

    But having tied his own hands by setting up the independent Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR), run by ex-Institute for Fiscal Studies director Robert Chote, Osborne can't get away with the skin-of-the-teeth decision-making favoured by the Treasury's movers and shakers in the Labour years.

    Instead, Osborne and his aides now have to present any tax and spending changes they plan to make to the OBR well in advance, so that it can make its own projections of the impact on the public finances.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/dec/02/george-osborne-autumn-statement-recession-economic-policy-austerity

  • 1092
    ajm
    Posted Monday, December 3, 2012 at 6:07 am | Permalink

    Was just reading an article by Sheehan on the horrible violence being visited on small business by the Gillard goverment.

    Won’t link to it because it’s rubbish but what caught my eye was his heartfelt farewell to his colleague Phil Coorey, who is “leaving”.

    Have I missed something or is this a new revelation? In any case, surely a cause for celebration.

    Pity they’re keeping all the other deadheads, though.

  • 1093
    shellbell
    Posted Monday, December 3, 2012 at 6:12 am | Permalink

    John Kinghorn in ICAC this week. Be amazed if he ever voted ALP but who cares when you are Obeid sitting in the Upper House.

    Kinghorn found Allco which went spectacularly bust and RAMS which he floated for $600m before it collapsed.

    A huge donor to St Vincent’s at Paddington he has a wing or ward or something named after him. Hopefully it will be liquid papered out.

  • 1094
    fiona
    Posted Monday, December 3, 2012 at 6:17 am | Permalink

    ajm,

    what caught my eye was his heartfelt farewell to his colleague Phil Coorey, who is “leaving”.

    Now, how’s this for a fault? The likes of Grattan, Sheehan, Kelly etc are now – in-house – known as honorary journalists. In other words, they are writing their deathless prose purely for the glory that redounds to their names.

    It sorta makes sense ;)

    And Good Morning Poll Bludgers!!!

  • 1095
    fiona
    Posted Monday, December 3, 2012 at 6:20 am | Permalink

    Moi @ 1094:

    Now, how's this for a fault thought ...

    I should still be asleep. Or sorting the navel-fluff collection. Or something.

  • 1096
    BK
    Posted Monday, December 3, 2012 at 6:32 am | Permalink

    Good morning Dawn Patrollers. This bulletin is coming from Horsham.
    I had to laugh yesterday when I saw Mark Latham refer to George Brandis as “George Brandis SC DH“.
    And Malcolm Farr certainly dished it ot out to the Abbott apologist bassett houund sitting in the Piers Akerman position on Insiders.
    This could set a nasty precedent. Perhaps ilia should kick off a few of her own. Like Abbott’s “Get Hanson” slush fund, AWB, Manildra, etc.
    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-commits-to-judicial-probe-on-awu-fund-row-20121130-2amlo.html
    Michelle Grattan gives the Abbott slush fund a bit of a run.
    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/abbott-has-his-own-slushy-history-20121201-2anjy.html
    A bit of a slap to Pell?
    http://www.smh.com.au/national/bishops-strike-conciliatory-note-on-rc-20121130-2alx1.html
    Alan Mpir on the cricket.
    http://images.smh.com.au/2012/12/02/3858159/gal-land-Moir-600×400.jpg
    Cathy Wilcox has some suggestions for Christmas gifts for climate change deniers.
    http://images.smh.com.au/2012/12/01/3856206/gal-land-climate-20change-20denier-20gift-20ideas-600×400.jpg
    A very good cartoon from David Pope.
    http://images.smh.com.au/2012/11/30/3855447/ss-gall-pope-20121130212551182626-600×400.jpg

    We are heading back home this morning. The wedding turned out to be a good show – a typical country wedding on a farm.
    Enjoy the day, Bludgers!

  • 1097
    ajm
    Posted Monday, December 3, 2012 at 6:33 am | Permalink

    Fiona

    The likes of Grattan, Sheehan, Kelly etc are now – in-house – known as honorary journalists.

    Is this a fact, or are you just hoping!?

  • 1098
    This little black duck
    Posted Monday, December 3, 2012 at 6:38 am | Permalink

    An honorary position is given as an honor, with no duties attached, and without payment.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorary

    They don’t qualify for the first, only duty is to Sauron and I doubt whether they are doing it for free. 0/3.

  • 1099
    BK
    Posted Monday, December 3, 2012 at 6:40 am | Permalink

    And from the Land of the Free –

    This is an interesting proposition.
    http://americablog.com/2012/12/its-time-to-make-bullets-really-really-expensive.html
    Hypocrisy runs rampant.
    http://americablog.com/2012/12/anti-climate-change-business-groups-demand-obama-fixes-climate-change-problems.html
    Some cartoons -
    http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/stillben4.jpg
    http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/stillben3.jpg
    http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/stillben2.jpg

  • 1100
    CTar1
    Posted Monday, December 3, 2012 at 6:43 am | Permalink

    The only solution I see to the boat people is for Indonesia to be given enough incentive to accept them back to their point of embarkation.

    Which part of ‘the Indonesians don’t want asylum seekers making for Australia or anywhere else to be in Indonesia’ does Bemused not understand?

    Pay Indonesia to keep them!

    Deluded.

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