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Essential Research: 53-47 to Coalition

Essential Research maintains its trademark consistency on voting intention, and asks the best-framed set of polling questions yet to emerge on the AWU matter.

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The latest weekly Essential Research survey has two-party preferred unchanged at 53-47, with Labor up a point to 37%, the Coalition steady on 47% and the Greens down one to 9%. Also featured are a refreshingly well-framed set of questions on the AWU affair, which find:

• Thirty-one per cent claim “a lot” of awareness about the issue, 29% “some”, 25% “a little” and 12% none (you can presumably boost the latter with the 3% “don’t know”).

• On perceptions of how the matter has been handled, Julia Gillard has a slight net positive rating (39% good and 35% poor), but the opposition (20% and 49%) and the media (20% and 37%) get the thumbs down. However, respondents who thought themselves better informed tended to view Gillard less favourably, which is interesting because there was no significant tendency for Coalition supporters to be more inclined to make such a claim for themselves.

• Thirty-eight per cent say the issue has given them a more negative impression of “Julia Gillard as Prime Minister” against 11% more positive and 59% no difference.

There were also questions on “leaders’ positions on asylum seekers”, the overwhelming point of difference concerning the matter of whether the leaders had been “too soft”, on which a 14% gap in Tony Abbott’s favour in October 2011 has grown to 23%.

UPDATE (4/12/12): Morgan has published a face-to-face poll from its last two weekends of surveying, which has the Coalition up two to 40.5%, Labor down half a point to 36% and the Greens down one to 10.5%. This pans out to 52.5-47.5 to the Coalition on the respondent-allocated preferences measure, which seems to have recovered its Coalition lean this survey. Morgan’s previous election preferences figure is still forthcoming, but it should come in at around 50.5-49.5 to the Coalition, after Labor led 51-49 last time. Morgan has also published further figures on leadership from last week’s small-sample phone poll, which had Kevin Rudd leading Julia Gillard 34-22 as preferred Labor leader, and Tony Abbott trailing not only the overwhelmingly favoured Malcolm Turnbull (50%) as preferred Liberal leader, but also Joe Hockey (18% to 15%).

Preselection mail:

• The long-awaited Liberal preselection has Greenway has been postponed into the new year, which is apparently down to the determination of factional moderates to thwart the bid of 2010 candidate Jayme Diaz, an associate of the David Clarke faction of the Right who is said to have decisive levels of support among local branches. Nick Soon of the Blacktown Sun quotes a source who dismisses the chances of both Diaz and high-profile entrant Gary “Angry” Anderson, instead identifying Brett Murray, Mark Taylor and Yvonne Keane as the front-runners. Murray is “a highly sought after speaker and an expert in cultural change and developing corporate workplace culture”, Taylor “a former police prosecuting officer”, and Keane a Hills Shire councillor. However, Imre Salusinszky counts Murray as one of two candidates associated with the Alex Hawke faction of the Right (the other being Ben Jackson) who do not have the numbers. It was earlier reported that Tony Abbott has approached former rugby league player Matt Adamson, whose plans to run in Lyne were thwarted by a coalition agreement which has reserved the seat for the Nationals, but this prospect is dismissed by Salusinszky’s sources.

• The Northern Territory Country Liberal Party’s preselection for Lingiari has proved a troublesome endeavour for Tony Abbott, following his unsuccessful attempt to recruit Alison Anderson, the Labor-turned-CLP member for the remote electorate of Namatjira. Nigel Adlam of the Northern Territory News reports that Anderson was “believed” to have accepted the offer, but was rebuffed by the party’s central council’s refusal to grant her a waiver to submit a nomination after deadline. Abbott’s approach to Anderson copped a rebuke from Chief Minister Terry Mills, who accused him of having “misread” Anderson and the party. The preselection was instead won by Tina MacFarlane, owner of a Mataranka cattle station, ahead of Lawson Broad, a staffer to Terry Mills. MacFarlane’s win, reportedly by a large margin, constituted a defeat for Mills, as MacFarlane is said to be close to his potential leadership rival David Tollner. Abbott also got into trouble for saying Anderson would provide parliament with “an authentic representative of the ancient cultures of central Australia” that was not provided by the “urban Aboriginal” Ken Wyatt, his party’s member for the Perth seat of Hasluck.

Peter van Onselen of The Australian reports that a Labor powerbroker who addresses him as “mate” has told of grim polling for Labor in suburban Sydney, but better results in regional NSW marginals such as Eden-Monaro and Robertson. Phillip Coorey of the Sydney Morning Herald says “Liberal Party research is picking up the same patterns and senior Liberals have been told to campaign in Labor seats held by margins of up to 10 per cent in the belief that they all are vulnerable”. George Hasanakos at Poliquant considers the ifs.

• Van Onselen also relates that Labor fears a wipeout in Tasmania, “which even the PM’s office admits to”.

Queensland Qorner:

• The Liberal National Party determined its Senate ticket last weekend, which required that successors be chosen for the retiring Sue Boyce and Ron Boswell. Incumbent Ian MacDonald has been confirmed in the number one position, with state election campaign director James McGrath in number two and Matt Canavan, former chief-of-staff to Barnaby Joyce, in number three. Former Chamber of Commerce and Industry chief executive David Goodwin takes the theoretically winnable but highly unlikely prospect of fourth place. Amy Remeikis of Fairfax reports unsuccessful candidates out of a field of 16 included party vice-president Gary Spence, who if successful would have sat as a National.

• Bundaberg businessman Keith Pitt has won LNP preselection for Hinkler, which will be vacated by the retirement of Paul Neville. Other nominees, at least in the preliminary stages, included “Len Fehlhaber, a primary school principal, Cathy Heidrich, a media/research officer, Chris McLoughlin, an electorate officer, Greg McMahon, a probation and parole officer, and Geoff Redpath, an accountant”, according to an AAP report.

Sarah Vogler of the Sunday Mail reports John Bjelke-Petersen, son of Sir Joh and twice-unsuccessful state election candidate, “is being lined up as a federal election candidate as the likelihood of billionaire businessman Clive Palmer launching his own political party gathers momentum”. A Galaxy poll of 350 respondents, conducted at the behest of a “consortium of businesses”, reportedly showed 43% of Maranoa voters saying they would vote be “likely” to support Bjelke-Petersen against Bruce Scott, whose determination to seek another term as LNP member deprived Barnaby Joyce of a hoped-for entry to the lower house. Kevin Bonham in comments harbours his doubts.

• Kirsten Livermore, Labor’s member for Capricornia since 1998, has announced she will bow out at the next election to spend more time with her family. The ABC reports her successor will be chosen through a new preselection process in which branch members will choose from a selection of nominees deemed appropriate by head office. Paul Milton Butler of the Morning Bulletin reports that Paul Hoolihan, who lost his local seat of Keppel at the state election, fancies himself as a starter, although being 65 may prove an obstacle.

• There has been talk around the place, including from Dennis Atkins of the Courier-Mail on Insiders, that Chris Trevor will again run for Labor in the Gladstone-region seat of Flynn, which he won upon its creation in 2007 before joining the party’s Queensland casualty list in 2010.

• The Newman government’s difficulties have encouraged talk of the federal election prospects for Katter’s Australian Party. The Financial Review reports the party is hopeful local businesswoman Bronwyn Walker can win the Townsville seat of Herbert from LNP incumbent Ewen Jones, and also rates its chances in Dawson and Capricornia.

William Bowe — Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe

Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, is one of the most heavily trafficked forums for online discussion of Australian politics, and joined the Crikey stable in 2008.

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4,368 thoughts on “Essential Research: 53-47 to Coalition

  1. zoomster

    I didn’t say I thought fran didn’t have a sense of humour, btw!

  2. confessions

    my say:

    Parties release internal polling all the time. It’s fair to say that there’s invariably an agenda driving the need to leak.

  3. my say

    Tricot

    Posted Friday, December 7, 2012 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    Now, wait on, wait on!

    It was just a few weeks ago, and
    ——————————————————-

    tricot i remember now it was after that little effort that ari came and did his post

    some thing about seen it alll before
    gosh i wish i could find it

  4. ruawake

    [You can say thanks to CanDo for demolishing that little narrative]

    As they say a week is a long time in politics, who knows Tony may have a real budgie in his smugglers, he afectionally calls her Chris.

  5. Marrickville Mauler

    MP Craig Thomson’s lawyer says FWA is issuing subpoenas for material from brothels it has claimed to have had for years

    Guytaur #several pages back – talk about the importance of punctuation!! How many brothels has FWA claimed to have had??? Whole brothels? Does it make it easier on everyone that FWA is a body corporate? No wonder their report took so long, even so.

  6. my say

    confession well i have been told different

    was told by a member its very expensive to do and its never done, and only in some areas and its never realeased

  7. confessions

    Boerwar:

    😆 !!!

  8. my say

    when i say never done i mean over all seats
    wtte

  9. my say

    when i say never done i mean over all seats
    wtte

  10. ruawake

    MM

    Did the FWA investigator know that the FWA claimed to have brothels, plus what did he do about it?

  11. my say

    thank you kevin thats similar to what ari said
    last week

    .

  12. CTar1

    poroti – Moncton’s father would have faced the hangman for his behavior in 1956 if it had of been 1910.

    The ‘bomb-site’ – there’s one strike on there that’s right on the Lauderdale Tower! (triangle shape half way along Silk St0.

  13. my say

    but i would say it will be in the hard copies to morrow

    though

  14. Marrickville Mauler

    Rua, I hesitate to say more than that the whole thing looks like just another stupid trucking stunt.

  15. my say

    is tv boring these days its a wonder the advertises\
    dont complain

    we end up watching things like move to the country british stuff like that.
    it really is just background noise as we are both reading
    i am wondering in 5 years will the tv sit in the corner just like the large old radio did not being turned on
    i rather hope so

  16. ruawake

    [
    NSW Premier Barry O’Farrell puts the chance of any change to the GST on par with pigs flying.

    As Mr O’Farrell headed into the Council of Australian Governments (COAG) meeting in Canberra on Friday he was asked if GST reform was on the agenda.

    “Hang on, a pig just went by,” he told reporters at parliament house.

    “There’s as much chance of reforming the GST in the lead up to a federal (election) campaign as there is of me jumping off this building and surviving.”]

    Hang on just a minute Fatty O Barrel, isn’t this exactly what Peter Costello told everyone?

  17. poroti

    CTar1

    He was against the Suez omnishambles so he cannot have been all bad.

  18. bemused

    my say@4084


    is tv boring these days its a wonder the advertises\
    dont complain

    we end up watching things like move to the country british stuff like that.
    it really is just background noise as we are both reading
    i am wondering in 5 years will the tv sit in the corner just like the large old radio did not being turned on
    i rather hope so

    Good programs on SBS tonight.

  19. kezza2

    You blokes need to take a GHLLAY

    “Good Hard Long Look At Yourselves.”

    As seen in many a footy room

    We’ve sat there for eons taking shite from the supposed bloke leaders. Leaders who didn’t have a clue.

    We now have a leader for ourselves. A woman who cares about women.

    And, we’re not going to take the shite from you blokes any longer.

    You bastards have pretended to know what was best for us for too damn long. You didn’t have a fkn clue.

    And, we’re here to tell you how to do it.

    Fran today was exemplary. She told you what you wanted to hear although she never resiled from her position (rhetoric). Even though you tried to sweet-talk her.

    zoomster tells you every day how she has made policy. Long hard looks at policy. But, what does that matter to you? A woman doing policy? Not much at all.

    If you can’t admit that’s the way you’ve always been (because you get propped up by some woman along the way), then at least start to take a GHLLAY. Cos, I for one, am damn sick of you.

  20. CTar1

    BW – There’s no doubt you’re a bugger of a man.

    , indeed.

  21. frednk

    Fran Barlow
    Posted Friday, December 7, 2012 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    [You could just refer them to John Cook’s Skeptical Science blog. It deals very effectively in lay language with graphs and pictures with all the denialist arguments in circulation.]

    I don’t think facts are his goal.

    I got the seven last years have been cooler than the peek.
    http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/detect/global-temps.shtml

    To which I replied (I was getting fed up with it by then) come on your an engineering surely you know the difference between data points and trends.

    Gave me the line that the temerature has not been out of the range seen in the last 40 thousand years, to which I replied rubbish 40 years ago we where in an ice age. We would be standing on a glacier if there has been no change. Guy had no idea.

    I suppose I should have got his email so I could bombard him with facts. I found it depressing.

  22. bemused

    kezza2@4088


    You blokes need to take a GHLLAY

    “Good Hard Long Look At Yourselves.”

    As seen in many a footy room

    We’ve sat there for eons taking shite from the supposed bloke leaders. Leaders who didn’t have a clue.

    We now have a leader for ourselves. A woman who cares about women.

    And, we’re not going to take the shite from you blokes any longer.

    You bastards have pretended to know what was best for us for too damn long. You didn’t have a fkn clue.

    And, we’re here to tell you how to do it.

    Fran today was exemplary. She told you what you wanted to hear although she never resiled from her position (rhetoric). Even though you tried to sweet-talk her.

    zoomster tells you every day how she has made policy. Long hard looks at policy. But, what does that matter to you? A woman doing policy? Not much at all.

    If you can’t admit that’s the way you’ve always been (because you get propped up by some woman along the way), then at least start to take a GHLLAY. Cos, I for one, am damn sick of you.

    Stop embarrassing yourself.

  23. my say

    i would love to know just who these journalist, who do negtive stories re the gov, will end up voting for in the privacy of their little booth

    surely they have families and want the best for them

  24. CTar1

    Still really confused. Please send help.

  25. ruawake

    [The Australian share market has closed the week at a seven-week high, lifted by broad-based gains in most sectors, the strongest in health and industrial stocks. ]

    Er isn’t the economy in free fall?

  26. Andrew

    Heard Middleton and Lewis on ABC radio give a pretty balanced view of the political year on ABC radio. Covered the main developments, with one very glaring exception:

    Labor’s comeback in the polls.

    It is like it never happened

  27. confessions

    [was told by a member its very expensive to do and its never done, and only in some areas and its never realeased]

    Internal polling gets leaked more often than you think. As I said, usually to drive some agenda or other.

    Remember the internal polling which was leaked to Bolt prior to Rudd Removal? That was used to advance the argument of his weakening leadership. There’s always an agenda, hence leaked internal polling should be taken with a large grain of salt.

  28. Just Me

    poroti@4036


    Just Me


    Since Obama got his second term, and hence no longer has to concern himself with being re-electable


    That is the reason I am hopeful in this term he will say damn the torpedoes full steam ahead. He has his place in history.

    It is there for the taking. Don’t be shy, Barak.

  29. Just Me

    4040
    confessions

    They have been pretty quiet of late. 🙂

  30. fiona

    [I refuse to concede that I have added in any way to the conflagration and general mayhem happening on this usually peaceful Blog.]

    The peace of which has been increased by my absence for the last nearly 6 hours, during which time I have been:

    1. Raising BH’s heart rate;

    2. “Leading” a seminar;

    3. Drinking fizz;

    4. Hunting for scallops, chorizo, duck, and assorted vegetubbles.

    5. Devouring scallops, chorizo, duck, and assorted vegetubbles.

    6. Drinking shiraz;

    7. Licking moi’s lips and whiskers.

    What’s been going on here?

  31. poroti

    my say
    [
    i would love to know just who these journalist, who do negtive stories re the gov, will end up voting for in the privacy of their little booth

    surely they have families and want the best for them]
    My Say, journo mavens earn more than 98.5% of people in Australia. Why would they give a toss about us “peasants” when they are part of the elite ?

  32. bemused

    confessions@4096



    was told by a member its very expensive to do and its never done, and only in some areas and its never realeased


    Internal polling gets leaked more often than you think. As I said, usually to drive some agenda or other.

    Remember the internal polling which was leaked to Bolt prior to Rudd Removal? That was used to advance the argument of his weakening leadership. There’s always an agenda, hence leaked internal polling should be taken with a large grain of salt.

    Oh… so Bolt was involved in the plot. 😯

  33. confessions

    [4. Hunting for scallops, chorizo, duck, and assorted vegetubbles.

    5. Devouring scallops, chorizo, duck, and assorted vegetubbles.]

    What did you cook? Aside from the duck, it sounds divine. *yum yum*

  34. zoomster

    CTar1

    What are you confused about?

    (Just in case – ignore if I’ve misunderstood you…)

    “Let’s eat grandma” without a comma is a suggestion that you and I eat grandma.

    “Let’s eat, grandma” with a comma is a suggestion to grandma that it’s time to eat.

    The easiest way to sort out commas is to say the sentence out loud. If you paused anywhere (but shorter than you would for a full stop) then you put in a comma.

    Once upon a time, all writing was designed to be read aloud (only a few people could read, and it was expected that they would read to those who couldn’t).

    Punctuation is put in to tell the person reading aloud how they should read the sentence – where to pause (and how long to pause), where to put an inflection, where to stop for a breath (at the end of as sentence).

    So the easiest way to work out if you’ve punctuated something correctly is to listen to it being read aloud.

  35. my say

    well most nights we do end up on sbs

    i love the history programs about families and Thursday night is all cooking

    i was thinking about programs like , The Bill
    and all the old English dramas, i get angry at people who made decisions to take away the things we enjoy
    and the life is not now predictable

    to much change all to do with profit

    our car parks till recently had attendant in boxes taking our ticket and money,, not its all do it your self take the card put in a slot ect. the men of course tole me they lost all their over time,

    one could get in to ones car, sort your self out have the card ready and out through the gate and pay
    now it lost in ones purse , forget where the car is
    go to the top of the car park, forget that now you have to pay before you go to the car
    and the city fathers are complaining because people shop in the suburbs.

    well at least we still have quite a few server you

    petrol stations
    sigh

    no wonder people are shopping on line

    and imagine if abbott got in god the change w would be enough to make want to climb under a log and never come out till he had gone

  36. my say

    what scares me is
    this could be our last decent christmas
    its terrifying me

  37. HaveAchat

    Think Big@3722



    Did you get some good shots of the eclipse at Cairns?


    Hi Mari.
    Sadly we missed totality due to cloud. Had we been just a few kms further north at Palm Cove we would have seen it.
    Astronomy can be such a frustrating hobby at times. I did manage to get a couple of half-decent pics of the partial phase. Partial eclipse

    Think Big,

    Not sure if you have ventured here:

    http://www.martinpughastrophotography.id.au/index.htm

    But it is a guy from Canberra, also in the Navy I think, he has one the Atrophotographer of the year twice so far. Some of his images are simply breathtaking.

  38. HaveAchat

    MMMM?????????

    How did won become one, well if you read what I wrote you must realise that one is supposed to be won.

  39. bemused

    my say@4105


    what scares me is
    this could be our last decent christmas
    its terrifying me

    Stop dramatising.

  40. my say

    i remember the days when only abc people where on the abc

    this is what i mean,

    i miss the day of MR Hill he was my favouite MD
    of the abc

  41. CTar1

    poroti – You’ve set me thinking again on a subject I can say that I know more than most about:Suez / 1956 / the French / Israeli’s and the USA.

    So I may be back to bore the crap out of you in a couple of days with some thoughts.

  42. Laocoon

    SMH quotes AFP on the earthquake in Japan earlier this week. Part of it sounds like what would be a direct quote from the Japanese:
    [A one-metre-high tsunami has hit Japan’s northeast coast, the country’s meteorological agency says.

    The wave was recorded in Ishinomaki, a city in Miyagi prefecture that was badly hit by the tsunami of March 2011, which killed thousands…

    No abnormalities were observed on Friday at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station in Fukushima prefecture, which borders Miyagi, its operator, the Tokyo Electric Power Co, said.
    The plant went into meltdown after it was hit by the March 2011 disaster and has been shut down ever since.]

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/powerful-quake-shakes-buildings-in-japan-20121207-2b16b.html#ixzz2EMJJWZ00

    No abnormalities; that’s a relief…

  43. kezza2

    You blokes don’t get it, do you?

    A woman’s alwasys been installed to minimise/soften the damage.

    “Oh, petal, we can’t kick you out like we’d like to do them”

    This is not just on the Labor side, although Labor’s done it more than most.

    Victoria: Joan Kirner
    WA: Carmen Lawrence.

    And more.

    Then the Libs thought they try it:

    Kerry Chickowski.

    Every time, since the 90s, blokes pandering to FEMINISM and making feminism a dirty word, a woman was installed to lose.

    But, JG didn’t lose.

    She proved the better. And even blokes on her own side can’t handle it.

    Even today, David Penberthy wrote a column about the patheticness of the press. And what did he say about THAT speech?

    He still couldn’t give it the accolade it deserved.

    He called it an “alleged” phenomenon.

    He refused to recognise it as a REAL phenomenon.

    What’s wrong with blokes?

    JG’s video hit 2 million plus – you know, the misogynist video.

    And, today, JG’s spoof on the end on the world hit ! million on youtube.

    Give us a break, guys.

    .

  44. my say

    you be dramatising bemused if you lost one quarter of your pension, that of course if you receive one

    and you will be dramatising if we lose medicare
    hecs and the like i think i am underestimating
    what will happen to this country

    no drama just beng real

    so get behind the pm and get out there and tell your litte mate to help

  45. poroti

    fiona

    Re peace and love in the PB lounge. Not so long ago BK’s Morning Patrols first task was to hose the blood off the walls and sweep up the broken glass in the PB lounge after the night time ,cough,debate. Older PB loungers tell me that the Hilary vs Obama nomination war broke every single one of the Geneva Conventions. 🙂

  46. Tricot

    As much as anyone can hang their hat on a poll I would guess that Labor – right now – is competitive.

    The election has not been “lost”, the opposition need to “win” the election (I just don’t buy the truism that “governments lose office rather than opposition win them”) and we are still a long way out from polling day.

    Time and incumbency, if one must talk in political truisms, is on the government’s side.

    This is not a tired and dispirited government kind of waiting to be put out of its misery.

    There are times when, in your heart of hearts, you know your side is going down – surely the case in the State elections in NSW and Queensland of late.

    However, this is certainly not the case with the current Labor government.

  47. bemused

    my say@4113


    you be dramatising bemused if you lost one quarter of your pension, that of course if you receive one

    and you will be dramatising if we lose medicare
    hecs and the like i think i am underestimating
    what will happen to this country

    no drama just beng real

    so get behind the pm and get out there and tell your litte mate to help

    Now you are lying if you say you have lost one quarter of your pension.
    You know Labor has increased pensions.

  48. poroti

    Ctar1
    [So I may be back to bore the crap out of you in a couple of days with some thoughts.]
    Bore away ! I love hearing about stuff like that.

  49. CTar1

    fiona

    [The peace of which has been increased by my absence for the last nearly 6 hours]

    I noticed the particular effect. It was very nice.

  50. DisplayName

    *comes back from dinner*
    *sees shrapnel filled, blood spattered craters*
    *faints*

  51. CTar1

    zoomster – I give the out aloud bit a try (he says very hesitantly).

  52. fiona

    Confessions,

    OH’s and my only offspring is staying with us at the moment. She was in Europe when we celebrated OH’s 70th, so she decided that on her second-last night in Melbourne it would be appropriate to dine at the restaurant where the 70th bash was held.

    The menu – well, we all had the same entrée:

    Seared scallops, cauliflower foam, chorizo, almonds and brioche crumble

    Mains:

    Daughter: Twice cooked pork belly, handmade pork parcel, braised red cabbage, caramelisied pear, candied pancetta & madeira reduction

    OH: Slow braised lamb neck (8hrs), celeriac puree, baby beetroot, onion cigar, sago pearls & braising reduction

    Moi: Roasted magret of duck (med-rare), onion & duck leg tart, spiced carrot puree & bitter sweet duck jus

    Wine: Storm Ridge Shiraz 2006 (Badger’s Brook Vineyard, Yarra Valley)

    When daughter saw the menu online (before we booked) she said wtte “They’re trying too hard.”

    After dinner, she agreed that it was seriously good cooking. Better still, it’s one of those places where the serves are just right: after the meal one feels satisfied rather than sated.

    And all this just a leisurely 10 minutes’ stroll from home …

  53. poroti

    kezza2

    [

    Give us a break, guys]
    Give the guys a break. The PB blokes were BOOYAH over “that ” speech.

  54. my say

    the poster that just sent me that email need not have bothered i have a great security system
    that lets me know when i am getting a bug sent to me

    kindly do not send me an email again

  55. confessions

    [And, today, JG’s spoof on the end on the world hit ! million on youtube.]

    That was very funny. It made the Guardian online front page.

  56. fiona

    Poroti @ 4114,

    Does that make moi a civilizing influence?

    (Obligatory 😉 )

  57. CTar1

    poroti – I will be boring all right.

    If you blindfolded me and dropped me in the Canal Zone then spun me around 7 times I could still walk you directly to the exact point where the Marine Commandos came ashore and where the French paras landed on the other side.

  58. confessions

    fiona:

    Sounds like you all had a great meal. Cauliflower foam however, sounds like something I’d make unintentionally.

    As I said, I’m not keen on duck, but the lamb and the pork sound divine. I’m having chicken and mushroom risotto tonight. Nothing special.

  59. bemused

    my say@4123


    the poster that just sent me that email need not have bothered i have a great security system
    that lets me know when i am getting a bug sent to me

    kindly do not send me an email again

    It wasn’t me, I didn’t do it, and you can’t prove a thing… 👿

  60. poroti

    fiona

    [
    Poroti @ 4114,

    Does that make moi a civilizing influence?]
    Can’t say until we see a head to head Fiona vs Frank Calabrese PB exchange 🙂 He has his own site now.

  61. confessions

    [Marian Dalton ‏@crazyjane13
    Oh FFS … Fukushima nuclear plant being evacuated as @ABCNews24 talks about dogs that drive. #headdesk ]

    OM fail again.

  62. kezza2

    [poroti
    Posted Friday, December 7, 2012 at 9:14 pm | PERMALINK
    kezza2

    Give us a break, guys

    Give the guys a break. The PB blokes were BOOYAH over “that ” speech.]
    Yeah?

    Oh, okay, tsk.

    So, they applauded once upon a time?

    Do they continue to applaud?
    Or do they shrug and dismiss it?

    They don’t seem to be too BOOYAH against the PB blokes who didn’t like it.

    Not like we women were/are!

    Or is that just a bloke thang?

  63. poroti

    bemused

    [

    It wasn’t me, I didn’t do it, and you can’t prove a thing…
    👿 ]
    You forgot “It was like that when I got here.”

  64. fiona

    Confessions,

    It’s fascinating how – when it comes to vegetables – people divide precisely: those who happily eat a particular vegetable, and those who avoid it like the plague.

    I like almost all vegetables, with the exceptions of swedes and turnips. However, an aunt-by-marriage nearly turned me off cauliflower for life by pressure-cooking it until it was pink (although to be honest any vegetable if cooked/overcooked can be rendered revoltingly inedible).

    Chicken and mushroom risotto sounds yum. Enough leftovers for tomorrow night if I come visiting?

  65. bemused

    kezza2@4131



    poroti
    Posted Friday, December 7, 2012 at 9:14 pm | PERMALINK
    kezza2

    Give us a break, guys

    Give the guys a break. The PB blokes were BOOYAH over “that ” speech.


    Yeah?

    Oh, okay, tsk.

    So, they applauded once upon a time?

    Do they continue to applaud?
    Or do they shrug and dismiss it?

    They don’t seem to be too BOOYAH against the PB blokes who didn’t like it.

    Not like we women were/are!

    Or is that just a bloke thang?

    Why do you persist in embarrassing yourself?

  66. confessions

    Nobody has gotten this yet. Surely PBers are up to the challenge!

    [Craig Emerson MP ‏@CraigEmersonMP
    Tonight’s #Emmoquiz Which occupation derives its name from the symbol of an element and where does that element come from? ]

  67. bemused

    poroti@4132


    bemused


    It wasn’t me, I didn’t do it, and you can’t prove a thing…


    You forgot “It was like that when I got here.”

    It was my best recollection of a line from the Simpsons.

  68. Greensborough Growler

    kezza,

    I’m a bloke and agree with you 100%

    Gillard’s ‘Misogyny” speech is probably the most significant speech made by an Australian PM since Menzies “Forgotten People” speech that catapaulted him to a generation of Government.

    The context is that it will live beyond her, you and me.

  69. confessions

    fiona:

    I’m like you re vegetables, but would add inappropriately cooked eggplant to swedes and turnips. Nothing worse than eggplant that isn’t cooked in the right dish.

    The risotto recipe I’m using serves 8, so come on over, there’s plenty!!

  70. fiona

    Confessions,

    Easy peasy: plumber from plumbum = lead, because in Ancient Rome the plumbing was all in lead pipes.

    Where does lead come from???? Erm, lead mines. Think Broken Hill … byproduct of silver mining if my memory serves me correctly.

  71. Psephos

    [the most significant speech made by an Australian PM since Menzies “Forgotten People” speech ]

    He wasn’t PM when he made it.

    And what about Keating’s Redfern speech, and his Unknown Soldier speech? How soon we forget.

  72. fiona

    Display Name,

    Semi-snap!

  73. CTar1

    fiona

    [I like almost all vegetables,]

    A fan of MTs 80’s cabinet then. How quaint!

  74. poroti

    fiona
    [
    Confessions,

    It’s fascinating how – when it comes to vegetables – people divide precisely: those who happily eat a particular vegetable, and those who avoid it like the plague.

    I like almost all vegetables, with the exceptions of swedes and turnips. ]
    There is a very good reason for that. You, it would appear, have the same gene.

    [Don’t Care For Broccoli? A Bitter Taste Receptor Gene’s Variation Suggests An Evolutionary Excuse

    a gene called TAS2R38 may be responsible for children’s aversion to bitter flavors. There are two variants of the gene as I do, one is bitter-sensitive and the other is not.]

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/09/060918165721.htm

  75. fiona

    Confessions,

    Eggplant – sure, but I always cook it correctly, and daughter has inherited the ability. She made a seriously magnificent moussaka yesterday; her Béchamel sauce was better than that I’ve eaten from many a professional chef.

    Not that I’m proud of her, as I’m sure that you will have noticed…

  76. poroti

    confessions

    [Nobody has gotten this yet. Surely PBers are up to the challenge!

    Craig Emerson MP ‏@CraigEmersonMP
    Tonight’s #Emmoquiz Which occupation derives its name from the symbol of an element and where does that element come from? ]
    Google free answer. Plumber. From latin for lead ,plumbum. Symbol for lead = Pb. It comes from exploding stars from a long time ago.

  77. swamprat

    At least, should the ALP lose the next Commonwealth election, the PM could become the next USA ambassador to Israel.

    She could serve her two great loves in one job, and be rid of those hideous Australians.

  78. confessions

    fiona:

    Emmo’s gotten all sorts of hilarious responses to his quiz question. Someone said the LOTO and sodium (Na). I have no idea, and am waiting to see what it actually is.

  79. zoomster

    Strange vegetable fact:

    Because some people say their pee smells differently after they eat asparagus, it was believed for a long time that they carried a gene which meant their pee smelt differently after they ate asparagus.

    Now it appears that they do carry a different gene – one which lets them smell asparagus in pee.

  80. Greensborough Growler

    Psephos,

    Proves there haven’t been many. Curtin’s call to the US is very good too. Changed the focus of Austrralia from Brit centric to US centric.

    Keating’s speech is well crafted but won’t resinate as far and wide as Gillard’s speech will over the journey imho. I haven’t forgotten it. Just think Gillard’s is better.

    Gough’s “Men And Women of Ausralia” speech was also as Oppo Leader.

  81. confessions

    poroti:

    You cheated! I deliberately didn’t go to Google.

  82. DisplayName

    confessions: google free

  83. bemused

    swamprat@4147


    At least, should the ALP lose the next Commonwealth election, the PM could become the next USA ambassador to Israel.

    She could serve her two great loves in one job, and be rid of those hideous Australians.

    Interesting thought.

  84. poroti

    CTar1
    [
    fiona

    I like almost all vegetables,

    A fan of MTs 80′s cabinet then. How quaint!]
    First version I heard was Joh Bjelke took his cabinet to a restaurant.

    [Head waiter : Is sir ready to order ?
    JBP : Yes, I’ll have the t-bone steak.
    Head waiter: And for the vegetables sir ?
    JBP : Oh they’ll have the same.]
    Boom tish.

  85. confessions

    [She made a seriously magnificent moussaka yesterday; her Béchamel sauce was better than that I’ve eaten from many a professional chef.]

    OMG I LOVE a good moussaka yet have never been able to cook it properly or do it justice. Principally because for the life of me I can’t do a bechamel sauce.

  86. fiona

    Zoomster,

    One of the highlights of my research career was sitting with some teachers in the lower junior school staffroom for morning tea. The school principal sat down with us, and after a few polite exchanges asked:

    Did you know that Don Juan ate asparagus in order to perfume his urine?

    The teachers didn’t know where to look. I, however, roared with laughter.

    (Well, it was very funny – both the statement, and the teachers’ reactions – and besides, I had known the principal for ages …)

  87. zoomster

    bemused

    I thought swamprat was barking mad suggesting that Gillard’s first allegiance was not to Australia but to the US – so why are you (apparently) agreeing with him?

  88. Psephos

    [Gough’s “Men And Women of Ausralia” speech was also as Oppo Leader.]

    If you want a great speech by an Opposition Leader find Calwell’s 1965 speech opposing Menzies on entering the Vietnam War. One of Graham Freudenberg’s first great speechwriting efforts. Calwell gets a bad press now because of his backward attitudes on some issues, but he deserves credit for that. He knew it would cost him the 1966 election and thus his last chance to be PM, but he did it anyway.

  89. fiona

    Confessions, Display Name, and Poroti,

    I didn’t google either – a bit of Latin, a bit of ancient history, and memories of my childhood fascination with the history of mining in Australia.

    But I betcha plumber is the correct answer!

  90. confessions

    GG:

    Keating’s Redfern speech was brilliant. And delivered at a time when we as a nation were slowly coming to terms with our indigenous past.

    If social media had existed back then, it’s likely it would’ve rated much more highly than Gillard’s misogyny speech in parliament.

  91. swamprat

    bemused

    For your information, I have little regard for Mr Rudd though he may, superficially be a better communicator. 🙂

  92. zoomster

    pseph

    [He knew it would cost him the 1966 election and thus his last chance to be PM, but he did it anyway.]

    Yes, I knew that, and admire him for it.

  93. Psephos

    [so why are you (apparently) agreeing with him?]

    Because of his deep hatred for Gillard. It’s a hormonal response, he can’t help it.

  94. bemused

    zoomster@4157


    bemused

    I thought swamprat was barking mad suggesting that Gillard’s first allegiance was not to Australia but to the US – so why are you (apparently) agreeing with him?

    Oh, I misread it. I was thinking Australian ambassador to Israel.
    But there is a partial precedent isn’t there with Martin Indyk?

  95. CTar1

    zoomster Everything you post is way to complicated for me tonight.

    So, on that I retiring.

    Adieu and all that stuff to all.

  96. confessions

    [I thought swamprat was barking mad suggesting that Gillard’s first allegiance was not to Australia but to the US – so why are you (apparently) agreeing with him?]

    bemused is barking mad as well.

    Just saying.

  97. bemused

    swamprat@4161


    bemused

    For your information, I have little regard for Mr Rudd though he may, superficially be a better communicator.

    Tell someone who cares.

  98. fiona

    CTar1,

    I don’t like bipedal vegetables. I especially dislike those suggestively bipedal (and more) carrots. They’re so demned difficult to peel.

  99. kezza2

    GG

    I know we’ve had our differences of opinion, but I reckon you and I are absolutely right.

    JG’s speech just didn’t dismiss Abbott, it allowed future generations of women to take their rightful place among men. Among them your daughter. And you’ve seen first-hand how powerful women, young women, can be.

    Women, just like men, haven’t learned all from their mothers, but from their fathers, fathers like you.

    And, when you look on this blog, there’s probably a 50-50 break up of men and women. And we all have a legitimate say.

    There’s people like Fran and Zoomster, articulate women, on different sides of the political sphere, but who have a wealth of knowledge or argument.

    We have many party members who are disillusioned or vehement, all have a common regard – to make this society a better place.

    But when you realise that women on the other side of the world have taken on Julia Gillard’s speech and have altered their workplace, their living place, because of it, then that is worth something immeasurable.

    And Tony Abbott can die in a ditch wondering what he did wrong.

  100. zoomster

    bemused

    not one bit of swamprat’s post could be read by anyone who supports the Labor party as in anyway acceptable.

    He insinuates that Gillard put the US ahead of Australia and that she despises Australians.

    How can you claim to have misread it?

  101. swamprat

    The “barking mad” one will leave. Night all.

  102. Greensborough Growler

    Psephos,

    I always remember a quote from Caldwell WTTE that he would rather be right than PM on Vietnam. Which he was!

    Bit like comedy. Being right at the wrong time and unfashionable is a dangerous place to be for a populist politician.

    As for Keating’s speech. As I said. Pretty good. Not as good or as far reaching as Gillard though.

  103. bemused

    zoomster@4170


    bemused

    not one bit of swamprat’s post could be read by anyone who supports the Labor party as in anyway acceptable.

    He insinuates that Gillard put the US ahead of Australia and that she despises Australians.

    How can you claim to have misread it?

    Simple, I just glanced at it.
    I am watching TV and only occasionally glancing at PB.

  104. Darren Laver

    [bemused

    not one bit of swamprat’s post could be read by anyone who supports the Labor party as in anyway acceptable.

    He insinuates that Gillard put the US ahead of Australia and that she despises Australians.

    How can you claim to have misread it?]

    Bemused jumps on anything that smells anti-Gillard.

    He is at best senile, at worst a Liberal tr*ll.

  105. crikey whitey

    Say, My Say

    Would that would, but I do not have your email address, perforce did not send anything to you.

    I am pleased that the sentiments were appreciated, however.

    May I echo them.

  106. zoomster

    Sigh.

    I have officially become a pensioner.

    At 51, it’s a bit unexpected.

    On one hand, I knew that someone who hobbled into a job interview leaning on a cane and announced that they’d be taking time off for major surgery sometime in the future wasn’t an appealing job prospect, but I did expect Centrelink to put up a bit of a fight.

    But no.

    Two bright sides: it’s only for a year (although realistically, I’m stuffed professionally) and I get the free travel thingy.

  107. poroti

    kezza2

    [And Tony Abbott can die in a ditch wondering what he did wrong.]
    Amen.

  108. my say

    and to the poster that tried to send me a bug and infect my computer, this lap top is now the main way i communicate with my my girls,nand sons as the phone is now out of the questiion for me,
    next time you meet a hearing impaired person stop and think.

  109. bemused

    Fascinating program on SBS. Churchill’s Traitors.
    [Pearl Harbor and the Fall of Singapore: 70 years ago these huge military disasters shook both Britain and America, but they conceal a secret so shocking it has remained hidden ever since. This film tells the incredible story of how it was the British who gave the Japanese the know-how to take out Pearl Harbor and capture Singapore. For 19 years before the fall of Singapore to the Japanese, British officers were spying for Japan. Worse still, the Japanese had infiltrated the very heart of the British establishment – through a mole who was a peer of the realm known to Churchill himself.]

  110. fiona

    Kezza,

    [… when you realise that women on the other side of the world have taken on Julia Gillard’s speech and have altered their workplace, their living place, because of it, then that is worth something immeasurable.]

    Absobloodylutely.

  111. Psephos

    [have little regard for Mr Rudd though he may, superficially be a better communicator.]

    Rudd was one of the worst communicators ever to enter Australian politics. He spoke in incomprehensible management jargon, weirdly mixed with antique schoolyard slang, which he could never get quite right. He also enjoyed endless repetition, hence his eye-glazing QT performances.

  112. bemused

    Darren Laver@4174



    bemused

    not one bit of swamprat’s post could be read by anyone who supports the Labor party as in anyway acceptable.

    He insinuates that Gillard put the US ahead of Australia and that she despises Australians.

    How can you claim to have misread it?


    Bemused jumps on anything that smells anti-Gillard.

    He is at best senile, at worst a Liberal tr*ll.

    PISS OFF YOU LOON!

  113. Greensborough Growler

    Kezza,

    I always agree with myself.

    But, Hear! Hear!

    I have a number of daughters. They have all been brought up to not take shit from anyone.

  114. Darren Laver

    [and to the poster that tried to send me a bug and infect my computer, this lap top is now the main way i communicate with my my girls,nand sons as the phone is now out of the questiion for me,
    next time you meet a hearing impaired person stop and think]

    There are some pretty awful posters on here if they would do such a thing.

    Disgraceful in my opinion, but not surprising given the hatred they spew against strong women like you, my say.

  115. zoomster

    mysay

    Often emails which send you bugs don’t come from the person whose email address it is – in other words, their email has been hacked and used to send nasty stuff to other people.

    It’s happened to me occasionally – friends have rung me and asked why I sent them an email which I hadn’t.

    Hasn’t happened recently (probably since the son came home and updated our security settings).

    So don’t jump to conclusions. Chances are it wasn’t someone here.

  116. Greensborough Growler

    Darren,

    Name names.

  117. fiona

    Zoomster,

    Many hugs, good vibes, and some smiley Gold Echidnas.

    I hope the surgery happens sooner rather than later, and I’m sure that once it happens your recovery will be swift and the prognosis brilliant.

    As for your career, don’t you worry about that! Given the rate of departure from your profession, I think that there will plenty for you to do for the next 15 years or so.

    And – even if you don’t feel like smiling just now, try it: the mere effort of making your face do that smiley thing does make a difference to your happy-brain neurotransmittors.

  118. poroti

    bemused

    [the fall of Singapore to the Japanese, British officers were spying for Japan. Worse still, the Japanese had infiltrated the very heart of the British ]
    The original ANZACs we escorted from Albany W.A. by the Japenese navy.

    [After sailing from Japan, via New Zealand, HIJMS Ibuki played a pivotal role in the protection of the convoy of troop ships assembled from around Australia and New Zealand, and on November 1, 1914 sailed from Albany in Western Australia, Mrs Smithson said.]
    http://smithsonmedia.com.au/projects-ibuki/

  119. Psephos

    How would anyone here know My Say’s email address anyway?

  120. This little black duck

    Scarpat@4038


    Kezza is off on one of her tangents. I am sure it makes sense in a parallel universe or whatever.

    That is an interesting question. Can a parallel universe be at a tangent and still be parallel?

    “Orthogonal” works.

  121. DisplayName

    fiona: Similar bits of trivia, here.

    Somehow all that buried trivia manages to float up, even though I can’t find stuff right in front of me. The human brain is weird :D.

  122. Darren Laver

    [PISS OFF YOU LOON!]

    senile it is then.

    Off to the funny farm with you my dear.

  123. fiona

    Duckie (yum yum),

    There’s always edge-matching.

  124. bemused

    zoomster@4185


    mysay

    Often emails which send you bugs don’t come from the person whose email address it is – in other words, their email has been hacked and used to send nasty stuff to other people.

    It’s happened to me occasionally – friends have rung me and asked why I sent them an email which I hadn’t.

    Hasn’t happened recently (probably since the son came home and updated our security settings).

    So don’t jump to conclusions. Chances are it wasn’t someone here.

    Co-incidentally, I received an email from a poster here tonight shortly before my say complained.
    It had a suspicious link so I deleted it.

  125. my say

    crickey no it certainly was not u who sent me the bugged email the person knows who they are
    they had my email address becauce ifelt sad for that person at one state and wanted to help out,

    well i cannot take the risk any more of posting
    as we are on pension now there is no way i can afford another lap top like this one,

    i am just sad that some one would send me a labor person a bug and i can tell you i just ask my son in law about it i typed out the name he said it was a serious risk to my computer.

    out there he said mum
    my son in law is a very old fashioned lovley boy who calls me mum
    i am so lucy
    crickey i tried to find you on my list but i cannot
    so would be really nice if you had my email address though
    and no it was not bemused as we have never communicated
    not saying who it was as it not something i should say

  126. confessions

    zoomster:

    Can you do some consulting work, or home schooling?

  127. Pegasus

    ruawake
    [… if you missed it Queensland is also an Eastern State.]
    Yes, short term memory problems…for some reason as i was typing my response to Don i was thinking of WA.

    Kudos for your ‘gotcha’ but am disappointed that u didn’t go all out and correct my typo as well 😆

    Score card: Tries hard but could do better 😉

  128. kezza2

    [Psephos
    Posted Friday, December 7, 2012 at 9:33 pm | PERMALINK
    the most significant speech made by an Australian PM since Menzies “Forgotten People” speech

    He wasn’t PM when he made it.

    And what about Keating’s Redfern speech, and his Unknown Soldier speech? How soon we forget.]

    Keating’s Redfern Speech will go down in Australian history, well, Labor Australian history, as a most significant speech about Australian values.

    however, because the Conservative fkers will never allow it to get too much airtime, it will never resonate like Gillard’s Misogyny Speech.

    Do you understand why?

    It’s because more than HALF the world’s population is made up of WOMEN.

    And that’s why it will resonate over time.

    Because women are sick to death of being told what to do in 1st world countries, and we’re telling our educated brethren not to put up with the same in any other country.

    We’re with Malala, we’re with every oppressed woman.

    And you can’t stop us.

    Because there’s just as many IT specialist women as there are men.

  129. my say

    yes i deleted too

    but my system alerts me

    a pop up comes up and a warning sign

  130. confessions

    [How would anyone here know My Say’s email address anyway?]

    Some correspond.

    Hilariously, bemused (who has kezza’s email address), would email kezza when he’d been banned to lobby on this blog for William to lift the ban.

  131. Darren Laver

    [Score card: Tries hard but could do better]

    Poor old horsey, yesterday she claimed Fran Bailey had posted here! Turns out she was referring to Fran Barlow – apparently no relation.

    Off to the knackery for you my dear Peggy.

  132. DisplayName

    “Orthogonal” works.

    A straight line is tangent to itself.

    Is a straight line parallel to itself?

    This one I did google, and google tells me that it depends on the definition of parallel :P.

  133. Darren Laver

    [Hilariously, bemused (who has kezza’s email address), would email kezza when he’d been banned to lobby on this blog for William to lift the ban.]

    Bemused even used to lobby for the great Frank Calabrese!

    Sadly Bemused has descended into senility and misdirected Rudd rage since that time.

  134. my say

    o no zoomster i know where it came from
    the name was on the heading for all to see
    o well enough said

  135. Darren Laver

    [o no zoomster i know where it came from
    the name was on the heading for all to see
    o well enough said]

    A pretty low act.

    Should anything ever happen to your computer, let us know and I am sure we will be able to help where ever we are in this country.

    My say, you are a treasure here in Poll Bludger after all!

  136. poroti

    Crikey,so long ago already. Who remembers this from 25 years ago ? An amazing feat.

    [In 1987 a West German teenager shocked the world, by flying through Soviet air defences to land a Cessna aeroplane in Red Square. He was jailed for more than a year – but a quarter of a century later, he has no regrets.]
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20609795

  137. my say

    it was not bemused

    he respects commputers, and i know he would never do that

  138. my say

    it was not bemused

    he respects commputers, and i know he would never do that

  139. zoomster

    mysay

    That’s my point; the name will be on the heading, because the email address was hacked.

    My name was on the heading of emails my friends received – looked exactly like my usual emails to them – but I certainly didn’t send them.

    Give people the benefit of the doubt.

  140. Psephos

    [And you can’t stop us.]

    I’ve not the slightest intention of trying.

  141. confessions

    Darren:

    It’s a bit sad, isn’t it?

    Now reduced to selective memory around Rudd Removal, and Gillard as an anti-Australian rants.

  142. Darren Laver

    [In 1987 a West German teenager shocked the world, by flying through Soviet air defences to land a Cessna aeroplane in Red Square. He was jailed for more than a year – but a quarter of a century later, he has no regrets.]

    A day that will live in infamy!

    Oh, that’s right, it was just a kid… it was most embarrassing to the geriatric leadership of the USSR military. The beginning of the end really…

  143. fiona

    My Say,

    If it apparently came from me, I’d like to know – because it would mean that my computer has a virus. I’ve not emailed you for weeks.

    If it apparently came from another PBer, it would be best to let them know so that they can run the appropriate scans.

    Feedback about problems like this are very important.

    Best wishes.

  144. The Finnigans

    [PISS OFF YOU LOON!]

    Not happy with continuous farting, now pissing as well

  145. bemused

    Darren Laver@4203



    Hilariously, bemused (who has kezza’s email address), would email kezza when he’d been banned to lobby on this blog for William to lift the ban.


    Bemused even used to lobby for the great Frank Calabrese!

    Sadly Bemused has descended into senility and misdirected Rudd rage since that time.

    At least I wasn’t born stupid as some here appear to have been. Either that or early onset dementia.

  146. Darren Laver

    [It’s a bit sad, isn’t it?

    Now reduced to selective memory around Rudd Removal, and Gillard as an anti-Australian rants.]

    Yes, very sad to see someone descend into madness like that over the course of the last year or so.

    But what can one do? You can try to reason, but there comes a time when you just have to let them go and hope they will seek the help they need.

  147. Psephos

    My email address is readily findable by anyone who clicks on the “Psephos” on my posts, yet I don’t recall ever getting a hostile email from anyone here. I assume this is because I am univerally beloved.

  148. fiona

    Feedback about problems like this are is very important.

  149. fiona

    (Too many scallops.)

  150. bemused

    my say@4207


    it was not bemused

    he respects commputers, and i know he would never do that

    My say, I doubt anyone knowingly did it.

  151. fiona

    Psephos,

    [… because I am univerally beloved …]

    Verally, verally we say unto thee …

  152. Darren Laver

    [My email address is readily findable by anyone who clicks on the “Psephos” on my posts, yet I don’t recall ever getting a hostile email from anyone here. I assume this is because I am univerally (sic) beloved.]

    Bullseye.

    Herr Doktor Carr is without equal here and is something of an institution – despite his being flaky from time to time with prolonged absences!

  153. Greensborough Growler

    Finns,

    At least Mrs Bemused will be happy.

    “There seems to be no end to the prick”.

  154. my say

    thank you darren
    very much

  155. confessions

    Darren:

    I’ve given up trying to reason, you just get dragged into the Stupid.

    It’s almost like a Fox News kind of delusion. You just have to recognise that there are people out there in the community who subscribe to this nonsense about the PM.

    Gillard as an anti-Australian, pro-Israeli zionist is akin to Obama as a secret Kenyan citizen with a fake birth certificate. It’s abject lunacy.

  156. bemused

    Greensborough Growler@4223


    Finns,

    At least Mrs Bemused will be happy.

    “There seems to be no end to the prick”.

    There you go again with your perverted interested in other people’s penis.
    You are a very sick little man.

  157. poroti

    fiona

    [
    Psephos,

    … because I am univerally beloved …
    ]
    Orrrrr as they say 😆
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCnUsInBQws

  158. my say

    bemused they knowing did it

    the attachment was well chosen

  159. confessions

    [(Too many scallops.)]

    😆

    A problem I’m sure we all had!

    Love it.

  160. Greensborough Growler

    Psephos,

    Most of the time I’m violently in agreement with you.

    However, it is hard to be anything but aggressively indifferent at times with your forthright approach to issues to which I’m passively uninterested.

  161. Darren Laver

    [There you go again with your perverted interested in other people’s penis.
    You are a very sick little man.]

    It really does sound like we’re in an old people’s home!

  162. bemused

    confessions@4225


    Darren:

    I’ve given up trying to reason, you just get dragged into the Stupid.

    It’s almost like a Fox News kind of delusion. You just have to recognise that there are people out there in the community who subscribe to this nonsense about the PM.

    Gillard as an anti-Australian, pro-Israeli zionist is akin to Obama as a secret Kenyan citizen with a fake birth certificate. It’s abject lunacy.

    Your delusion, not mine.

  163. Gary

    I wonder if you children could allow your parents back on the computer. Please.

  164. my say

    Fiona no it was not you , of course not
    how is your daughter did she go to Morocco

  165. bemused

    my say@4228


    bemused they knowing did it

    the attachment was well chosen

    I did not get an attachment, just an email with no subject and no contents except a link.

    Sounds like we got different emails.

  166. Darren Laver

    [Gillard as an anti-Australian, pro-Israeli zionist is akin to Obama as a secret Kenyan citizen with a fake birth certificate. It’s abject lunacy.]

    I was naive to think such bible-belt redneck lunacy would never manifest itself here in Australia. But sadly having a female as Prime Minister proved we weren’t much better than the Americans.

    I still hope the majority will rise above it in 2013 and defeat Abbott and his motley crew of lunatics, just as the US did this year.

    I can just see bemused doing a Karl Rove on election night should a key marginal seat be called for Labor — he will be denial right to the bitter end…

  167. kezza2

    fess @ 4200

    You have a superlative memory!

    😆

  168. my say

    well i did say i disliked bad language
    may be that’s why i got the email
    but i do
    i never find its necessary to talk about
    one other bits in public
    sorry i’m old fashioned
    well oh must love me married 44 years today

    and he shaved off his moustache for charity our son raised 2000 dollars for mens health but the moustache is going back on

  169. Leroy

    Couple of amusing tweets

    [Ahron Young ‏@AhronYoung
    At a good conservative mate’s house. Discussing impact of carbon tax, and then I found his power bill. #awkward https://twitter.com/AhronYoung/status/276979532106440704/photo/1
    8:20 PM – 7 Dec 12

    David Donovan ‏@davrosz
    Some more top secret photos of Liberal Party Units. http://tinyurl.com/avrf5y4
    9:48 PM – 7 Dec 12]

  170. This little black duck

    DisplayName@4202



    “Orthogonal” works.


    A straight line is tangent to itself.

    Is a straight line parallel to itself?

    This one I did google, and google tells me that it depends on the definition of parallel .

    You can call it “perpendicular” to the argument and still be in a parallel universe.

    One comma, inherited, plus the two I just put in. Semi-colons would be more interesting.

  171. Psephos

    [It really does sound like we’re in an old people’s home!]

    Curiously, I had a conversation only last week with someone who works in a retirement home, and they were telling me how the atmosphere in these places has vastly improved now that many of the residents have laptops and ipads and can watch porn in their rooms. Apparently much of the air of frustration, hostility and resentment that can make these places so unpleasant dissipates when everyone can get their jollies without interference.

  172. The Finnigans

    [My email address is readily findable by anyone who clicks on the “Psephos” on my posts, yet I don’t recall ever getting a hostile email from anyone here. I assume this is because I am univerally beloved.]

    Herr Doktor, ve ave a vey of making you tok

  173. fiona

    My Say,

    I’m most relieved that it wasn’t me!

    My daughter cut her European trip short – mostly because her Trans-Siberian tour was cancelled (told her it was really stupid to be doing it in the first half of January, when it would be not only v cold but also DARK most of the time). So she returned to Perth approx 3 weeks ago, and came over to Melbourne early last week. She and I are driving to Canberra on Sunday to visit her grandparents (my parents); then next Friday she flies out to SE Asia for a trek around Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, and Laos, then back to WA.

    Then – I hope – she starts serious work as a serious engineer!

    So, no Morocco this time. Probably – in view of your son’s experience – a very good thing!

  174. confessions

    [I can just see bemused doing a Karl Rove on election night should a key marginal seat be called for Labor — he will be denial right to the bitter end…]

    True. We can see it now in some of his comments.

    The latest is that Rudd’s Insiders interview when he capitulated on the HIP by apologising for it wasn’t Rudd, but a kitchen cabinet decision.

    😆

  175. victoria

    my say

    Happy Anniversary. 🙂

  176. Greensborough Growler

    Psephos,

    It’s clearly not working for Bemused.

  177. HaveAchat

    Australia has had some great leaders, two of which have made speeches that have resonated with me. I can read ex-PM Keating’s speeches over and over again. I also go to his website and listen to them, nodding in agreement, feeling the same fire that I felt the first time I heard them and then feeling that it is up to me to make sure that the fight continues.

    Now a new speech has joined the list of must listen to, must print and have on the wall of my office at work. PM Gillard’s speech against misogyny, a speech that will live on longer than her time in office or even her herself and a speech that means as much to women as Mr Keating’s speech in Redfern spoke to the indigenous. These speeches shout support to those that have been abused, ignored or cheated of their rightful place in society and both demand the rest of society fight against those that perpetrate the abuse.

    My favourites are:

    Prime Minister Paul Keating
    Remembrance Day Speech at the funeral service of the Unknown Redfern Speech, 1992,
    Australian Soldier, 1993,
    Mabo Speech, 1993

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard
    Misogyny Speech, 2012.

  178. The Finnigans

    [my say

    Happy Anniversary.]

    Hey My Say +11111111111111111111111111111111111111

  179. fiona

    My Say,

    Happy Anniversary!

    As my father says to my mother every anniversary (oh wow, next year is the 60th):

    And no time off for good behaviour!

    which I am sure is equally applicable to you and your OH.

    I hope that you have had a great day.

  180. Darren Laver

    [Psephos,

    It’s clearly not working for Bemused.]

    Yes, he apparently has a computer and yet is the quintessential grumpy senile old man barking at shadows.

  181. The Finnigans

    [Psephos,

    It’s clearly not working for Bemused.]

    GG. maybe he still got the manual hand operated steam driven tablet

  182. bemused

    confessions@4244



    I can just see bemused doing a Karl Rove on election night should a key marginal seat be called for Labor — he will be denial right to the bitter end…


    True. We can see it now in some of his comments.

    The latest is that Rudd’s Insiders interview when he capitulated on the HIP by apologising for it wasn’t Rudd, but a kitchen cabinet decision.

    Yep, sure, just like after the 2010 election when I worked 15 hours on election day.

  183. DisplayName

    You can call it “perpendicular” to the argument and still be in a parallel universe.

    No doubt due to the degenerate nature of the comments on this blog :).

  184. Darren Laver

    Dear my say

    From all of us here at Poll Bludger, we wish you a very Happy Anniversary!

    May you enjoy another 44 years together.

    Sincerely,

    Darren and all the posters at PB

  185. fiona

    GG:

    [It’s clearly not working for Bemused.]

    I don’t think that the NBN rollout has reached Mr Bemused yet. So be kind.

  186. Psephos

    [Psephos,

    It’s clearly not working for Bemused.]

    Porn videos starring Kevin Rudd are quite hard to find. I only know of Kevin Does Programmatic Specificity, When Kevin Met Kevin, and Kevin’s Fair Suck of the Sauce Bottle.

  187. bemused

    Darren Laver@4250



    Psephos,

    It’s clearly not working for Bemused.


    Yes, he apparently has a computer and yet is the quintessential grumpy senile old man barking at shadows.

    Partly right. You have about as much substance as a shadow.

  188. Darren Laver

    [ Kevin Does Programmatic Specificity, When Kevin Met Kevin, and Kevin’s Fair Suck of the Sauce Bottle.]

    LOL

  189. Pegasus

    zoomster,
    [Strange vegetable fact:

    Because some people say their pee smells differently after they eat asparagus, it was believed for a long time that they carried a gene which meant their pee smelt differently after they ate asparagus.

    Now it appears that they do carry a different gene – one which lets them smell asparagus in pee.]
    Now that *is* interesting 🙂

    Asparagus is one of the ‘good’ vegetable recommended for diabetics, pre-diabetics, the glucose intolerant.

    We regularly eat it for breakfast with poached eggs but find the after-effects of the smelly urine a tad much to bear.

    Why does there always have to be a down side:-(

  190. Darren Laver

    [the after-effects of the smelly urine a tad much to bear.]

    Yep, we’re in an old people’s home!

    The PB lounge is now a twilight facility.

  191. zoomster

    Peg

    obviously you need some genetic modification!!

  192. Greensborough Growler

    psephos,

    Something’s Up Kevin is also in the same pack.

  193. HaveAchat

    Ooops
    Should read
    Redfern Speech 1992
    Remembrance Day Speech 1993,
    Mabo Speech 1993

  194. Psephos

    [We regularly eat it for breakfast with poached eggs but find the after-effects of the smelly urine a tad much to bear.]

    No-one forces you to smell your urine, FFS. Get one of those blue things that makes your dunny smell like a hospital ward.

  195. confessions

    my say:

    Happy anniversary

  196. Darren Laver

    [Something’s Up Kevin]

    LOL

  197. fiona

    I have no idea why, back in the 1960s and 1970s educationalists thought that A Midsummer Night’s Dream was the ideal way of introducing schoolkids to Shakespeare (the fairies, perhaps?), but this speech of Puck’s resonated even when I was very young:

    If we shadows have offended,
    Think but this, and all is mended,
    That you have but slumber’d here
    While these visions did appear.
    And this weak and idle theme,
    No more yielding but a dream,
    Gentles, do not reprehend:
    if you pardon, we will mend:
    And, as I am an honest Puck,
    If we have unearned luck
    Now to ‘scape the serpent’s tongue,
    We will make amends ere long;
    Else the Puck a liar call;
    So, good night unto you all.
    Give me your hands, if we be friends,
    And Robin shall restore amends.

  198. Pegasus

    [obviously you need some genetic modification!!]
    😆 Good one!!

  199. confessions

    [Porn videos starring Kevin Rudd are quite hard to find.]

    There was that youtube of him eating his own earwax, which I’m assuming bemused watches on a continual replay.

  200. my say

    thank you to every one thank you

    we must be anticipating another 44 year lol
    we had the house solar powered today
    so exciting to be in this century and doing things to save the planet the company that put it on is wholly owned here and was business of the year, we did not know that till today.
    they are flat out , i am so excited about it
    only 3300, my oh thought it was a a great anniversary present, o yes he forgot till lunch time when our daughter turned up with Christmas lilies
    she said what did you give mum, he said quickly solar power

  201. confessions

    Trust a Green to turn up and go humourless about vegetables.

    🙁

  202. kezza2

    [Psephos
    Posted Friday, December 7, 2012 at 10:30 pm | PERMALINK
    It really does sound like we’re in an old people’s home!

    Curiously, I had a conversation only last week with someone who works in a retirement home, and they were telling me how the atmosphere in these places has vastly improved now that many of the residents have laptops and ipads and can watch porn in their rooms. Apparently much of the air of frustration, hostility and resentment that can make these places so unpleasant dissipates when everyone can get their jollies without interference.]
    I nursed my father for 8 years.

    In his last few months, every night he would ask me to make sure one of his grandsons would receive a particular book – the title of which was something along the lines of : Woodworking, trophymaking, etc.

    And, Dad read this book every night.

    After Dad passed away, I said to my family – Dad wanted this book to go to ??.

    Everyone said: Okay.

    And that’s when I flicked through the book. In the middle there were a few pages as tame as Playboy in its younger years,

    But – there was a whole chest of video porn. Only watched a couple.

    Dad was in his eighties.

    Don’t you chaps ever give up. Seriously.

  203. Psephos

    [There was that youtube of him eating his own earwax]

    Curiously unarousing, I have to say.

  204. Greensborough Growler

    fess,

    Bemused is the “Jim Jones” of the Ruddistas.

    If they don’t get what they want, they’ll suicide en masse on Rudd earwax.

  205. Pegasus

    Psephos,

    I do enjoy your candour 😆

  206. Greensborough Growler

    Kezza,

    ROFLOL.

  207. Darren Laver

    Even the Reverend Fred Nile is still going at it at his ripe old age, on NSW Parliamentary computers no less!

  208. rishane

    I’d like to join in in all the happy anniversary wishes.

  209. Pegasus

    confessions
    [Trust a Green to turn up and go humourless about vegetables.]
    😆 Agenda much 😉

    Bait all u like but u will be playing with yourself 😆

  210. This little black duck

    my say,

    An anniversary quack from me!

  211. Pegasus

    [Curiously unarousing, I have to say.]
    It’s laugh a minute here atm 😀

  212. imacca

    [Porn videos starring Kevin Rudd are quite hard to find. I only know of Kevin Does Programmatic Specificity, When Kevin Met Kevin, and Kevin’s Fair Suck of the Sauce Bottle.]

    I have a suspicion Senator Conroy will be working hard to get sites harbouring those titles banned. As he should. 🙁

  213. bemused

    Pegasus@4281



    Curiously unarousing, I have to say.


    It’s laugh a minute here atm

    The trolls are out frolicking.

  214. fiona

    Kezza,

    [But – there was a whole chest of video porn. Only watched a couple.

    Dad was in his eighties.

    Don’t you chaps ever give up. Seriously.]

    If it is non-violent, and only involves consenting ADULT women (insofar as any sane woman could consent to participating in porn), then if it keeps them happy, why not? Especially if it stops them terrifying small and not so small children out of their wits, and scarring them for life.

    There are many aspects of porn that I find concerning: for example, what (young) males consider is acceptable sexual conduct; how (young) women feel that they should present themselves (Brazilians, “sexy” underwear, agreeing to what their partners seem to consider acceptable sexual conduct) – but at least where it’s only about adults then, well, okay – though I am still all in favour of (younger) people finding out that, for example, women actually have (gulp) hair down there.

    It goes without saying that anything to do with children/underage adolescents, and powerless people, and anything involving violence, is completely off-limits as far as I’m concerned.

    One way of thinking about it is the uber-commodification of something that has been a commodity for all time. Don’t like that at all.

  215. This little black duck

    [Don’t you chaps ever give up.]
    Is that an exhortation?

  216. fiona

    Oh dear. How am I going to make this sound genuine and not bloody condescending/patronising/etc? (If I don’t, and I probably won’t, please forgive me.)

    I must apologise to all GLBTI PBers in being so specific about heteroporn. Would you all please be so kind as to extrapolate the intent of my comments to whatever genre of porn?

  217. Pegasus

    Bemused,

    I associate eating earwax with The Shrek. I am still ‘traumatised’ by that scene when i watched the movie with my nieces years ago.

    Dry wit and clever use of language / play on words in making jokes often makes me laugh (as long as no person or animal is harmed in the process) 🙂

  218. Ratsars

    It does not take the conservatives long to start eating away at Government initiatives.

    Received the following email tonight

    ”Another underhanded trick by the pollies on the elderly.

    Shutting over 65s out of NDIS a cruel blow

    The National Disability Insurance Scheme (NDIS) Bill, now before parliament, will shut older Australians out of vital disability support services purely on the basis of their age.

    In its current form, a woman who is suddenly blind at the age 65 cut-off, will be shunted into a user-pays aged care system ill-equipped to deal with disability unrelated to age.

    A woman who is suddenly blind at 64, however, will receive under the NDIS, all the government-funded disability care and support she needs over her lifetime.

    For the thousands of Australians who aren’t aware of the age restriction, it will come as a cruel blow, Michael O’Neill said.

    “Some families will find themselves turned away from help that others will get as an automatic right. It seems ‘everybody counts’ unless you’re 65.”

    National Seniors is calling on the government to include older Australians in the launch sites, as a starting point, to test the effect of their inclusion on budget projections.

    If you want to have your say on the NDIS, email us.”

    I found the answer here – http://www.pm.gov.au/press-office/transcript-interview-linda-mottram-abc-sydney-2.

    The problem is that firstly you have to find the interview and then you have to read through it to find the few lines that answer the question.

    Basically the answer is that those over 65 are already covered by the aged care provisions administered by the Federal Government.

  219. fiona

    Ratsars,

    Have they already started the meme that the ALP government did nothing – NOTHING, I tells ya – about the poverty-level of the old age pension?

  220. Space Kidette

    Hello Bludgers!

    I have been flat out with work and have had to resort to dropping in and out of twitter to keep a watching brief on political events. Couldn’t risk dropping in on you guys cos I wouldn’t have gotten any work done. 😉

    I did manage to catch the very distinct change in the approach of the LNP Premiers to COAG this time around. Maybe they finally got it through their thick skulls that being on the wrong side of NDIS was going to cost them votes.

    JG just keeps plowing through the agenda. If she ever decides to give up this political gig I’d hire her in a heartbeat!

  221. kezza2

    [This little black duck
    Posted Friday, December 7, 2012 at 11:03 pm | PERMALINK
    Don’t you chaps ever give up.

    Is that an exhortation?]
    Apparently, if my mum was still alive, she would have described you as “a yard of pump water”

  222. fiona

    SK,

    I’ve been wondering where you were. Good to see you around – and great to know that you are bizzy.

  223. Space Kidette

    fiona,

    End of year is always busy for me. All those small businesses that discover they haven’t done any strategy development for the new year. There crisis becomes my bread and butter!

    I have to say not posting and not even being able to lurk created a few anxious moments. Betty Ford do you have a vacancy? 😉

  224. Marrickville Mauler

    Speeches:

    THAT speech, of course. Because as has been observed, it was indeed about over half the planet, and you can watch it over and over on youtube, and because the memory is still fresh of the waves of emotion spreading through my own office ( a Cth public service organisation I can’t name) as people tuned in live or watched replays . Men and women all, crying and cheering PMJG.

    Granted mine is perhaps a slightly unusual organisation in terms of men being onside with gender equality, but it was a great moment.

    Also the spectacle of the LOTO, Australia’s own Tea Party, serial liar, enemy of action on climate change and thus enemy of us all, Murdoch minion, nasty bully man-child (and now fake trucker): with all this, wilting and withering and looking increasingly grey and indeed turning to grey ash under dragon fire (nothing but respect meant there to PMJG of course, the red dragon being the emblem of Wales and all) – and his clear amazement, Fox News on US election day style, that white men could no longer say and do anything they like without being called on it.

    Rudd’s apology. Granted this was also seen among a group of workmates who had a fair bit to do with the issues, many of them Aboriginal.

    Calwell’s heroic delivery of Freudenberg’s best work , as Psephos pointed out.

    Whitlam’s 72 and 74 policy speeches – perhaps the last time until many things change not least in the media that any federal leader will dare to treat the people and the press as adults who want to and are capable of engaging in deliberative democracy? They are so full of practical detailed translation of ideals into implementable programs. To mention just two which are bearing fruit right now: the NDIS (thanks Gough, thanks Brian Howe, thanks Kevin, thanks Bill Shorten and yes thanks Julia), and the Southern Sydney Freight Line (go Albo, the man Tom Uren rightly described as “my political son”)

    My recently deceased friend Dr Stuart Barton Babbage, who was also a good friend of Gough’s, seizing (rather more pithily than Gough often managed) on the popularity of the 1960s West indian touring cricket party to attack the White Australia policy – “they may play with us, but they cannot stay with us?”

  225. rummel

    Lib add for hendy on the TV now……. March election coming.

  226. fiona

    SK,

    You don’t need Betty Ford. You don’t even need to return to PB. All you need to know is that you have a helluva lot of siblingy lerve going for you.

    Which reminds me: someone earlier today was asking about a non-gendered collective for nieces/nephews.

    I’ve coined one:

    Niblings (cf., siblings = brothers + sisters …)

  227. Ratsars

    Fiona @ # 4289

    ”Have they already started the meme that the ALP government did nothing – NOTHING, I tells ya – about the poverty-level of the old age pension”

    This, I think is a move by those over 60 to get within the scope of the NDIS. They think that they are missing out when in fact at the moment they are “privileged” There is no doubt that those solely on a pension are struggling but what advantage can they get under the NDIS that they can’t get as a pensioner?

    Gillard said in the interview I referenced that –

    “PM – “the Federal Government, are the supporters of people in the aged care arrangements, so we already finance supports for people who have disabilities in that age range.” … So they’re not in the same circumstances, caught between federal and state arrangements as a lot of other people with disabilities.

    Interviewer … the difference for those who are born with a disability and those who acquire one; will they be treated differently in this scheme?

    PM – “No they wouldn’t. What would happen is you would be assessed for your needs.”

    So clearly the PM is saying that there is no advantage at this time with those over 65 falling under the NDIS.

    The problem is that those like the guy who sent me this would not believe a word that comes out of the PM mouth. So if anyone else has a reference to data supporting this I would appreciate the advice.

  228. Space Kidette

    Ha! I like it, very clever!

  229. bemused

    rummel@4295


    Lib add for hendy on the TV now……. March election coming.

    How is that going to come about?
    No way.

  230. fiona

    Marrickville Mauler,

    I agree 1000% with what you have said, but there is one special thing about THAT speech:

    It was off the cuff.

    Sure, Ms Gillard had the data, and scribbled busily as Mr Abbott was speaking, but it was not scripted. It was from the heart, from the gut, raw, and that’s why it bit.

  231. Greensborough Growler

    With Bemused it’s “Porn goes the Weasel”.

  232. kezza2

    I can’t imagine anyone eating their ear-wax. I just can’t. It’s not called wax for nothing. It’s not worth tasting because of it’s name.

    So, I find the ear-wax-eating episode beyond putrid.

    I find the ear-wax-eating episode a reason to despise the Opposition.

    Do we have to tell of Opposition members who sniff their fingers after they’ve tested whether the toilet paper worked or not . . .

    really7

    It’s just beyond the pale.

  233. fiona

    TLBD @ 4299,

    On the contrary, I’m delighted that I have historical and etymological support!

  234. bemused

    Greensborough Growler@4302


    With Bemused it’s “Porn goes the Weasel”.

    Is porn another of your perversions along with your coprophilia?

  235. rummel

    [bemused
    Posted Friday, December 7, 2012 at 11:36 pm | PERMALINK
    rummel@4295

    Lib add for hendy on the TV now……. March election coming.

    How is that going to come about?
    No way.]

    No way Swan and Gillard will go to the next election with a failed surplus promis. March 2nd it will be.

  236. bemused

    rummel@4306



    bemused
    Posted Friday, December 7, 2012 at 11:36 pm | PERMALINK
    rummel@4295

    Lib add for hendy on the TV now……. March election coming.

    How is that going to come about?
    No way.


    No way Swan and Gillard will go to the next election with a failed surplus promis. March 2nd it will be.

    In your dreams.

  237. Marrickville Mauler

    Bemused # 4300 – agree. The tory tools are not in a position to call an election FFS!

    They and the (increasingly unemployed) MSM (reap what you sow, suckers) have tried and failed to produce one, in the longest dummy spit in australian political history. Not happening. Government is governing, delivering on all sorts of agendas, why on earth would they stop now? You just don’t declare on 449-0 bills passed if the match can run for 8-10 months yet

  238. Space Kidette

    I was chatting to my aunt on the phone at lunchtime. She rang to ask me how to organise the letter from the queen for a rellie that turns 100 next year. She knew I had the internet and asked my to find out.

    Turns out you need to approach either your local member or senator to organise it on your behalf. She asked who her local member was and I told her it was Wyatt Roy, the little boy.

    She said “good”, “I will give him a mouthful about those two lying bastards, Newman and Abbott!”

  239. fiona

    SK,

    Your aunt is probably my vintage – don’t you just adore bolshie wimmin?

  240. Space Kidette

    fiona,

    She cracked me up. She is 4’7 and quite as a church mouse….until you piss her off!

  241. bemused

    Marrickville Mauler@4308


    Bemused # 4300 – agree. The tory tools are not in a position to call an election FFS!

    They and the (increasingly unemployed) MSM (reap what you sow, suckers) have tried and failed to produce one, in the longest dummy spit in australian political history. Not happening. Government is governing, delivering on all sorts of agendas, why on earth would they stop now? You just don’t declare on 449-0 bills passed if the match can run for 8-10 months yet

    This was posted earlier but I have only just got around to reading it. Well worth a read.
    http://www.afr.com/p/opinion/labour_has_room_to_move_before_poll_Z2MjmKUvKpl68RvrvBzAWJ

  242. Space Kidette

    sorry guys about all the spelling mistakes. I am having a shocker tonight!

  243. confessions

    [Turns out you need to approach either your local member or senator to organise it on your behalf.]

    My local government plants a tree in a local park on your behalf once you turn 100. Which suits me just fine.

  244. fiona

    SK,

    I’m 5’3″ and mostly v quiet, as you might have noticed.

    Meantime I’ve noticed the time. A million things to do before the trip to Canberra on Sunday, so goodnight and sweet dreams to all. And as Robin Goodfellow said:

    So, good night unto you all.
    Give me your hands, if we be friends,
    And Robin shall restore amends.

  245. MsAdventure

    SK

    Mark Furner Labor senator for Qld is the duty senator for Longman his office can handle the request if preferred.

    Your aunt probably won’t get Roy’s letter handed to her in person unless he is trying to get a better public profile and photos to release to the local papers. The procedure usually results in about 7 to 8 letters arriving by post.

  246. Space Kidette

    confessions,

    Really? I will have to follow up and see if they do it in her lga.

  247. confessions

    Night fiona. And safe travels to Canberra.

  248. Space Kidette

    Goodnight Fiona,

    Have a fantastic trip!

  249. Space Kidette

    Ms Adventure,

    Thanks for that info. I will let her know. Although I’d love to be a fly on the wall filming her have a go at Roy boy!

  250. Marrickville Mauler

    Fiona #4301, yeah that too.

    Clearly Albo had done some good work earlier in the day on background (and did further good work getting the Parliament staff to get them the Hansard proof version of the loathsome LOTO’s disgraceful “died of shame” comment, Abbott didnt even expect to be picked up on that !!!)

    But very clearly in the tactics discussion it was the PM who said “I’ll take it from here boys”; and take it she so did.

    The looks on the faces of Albo (friend of PMJG since student days) and of the Worlds Best Finance Minister were a delight in themselves. Look again at the vid of the speech and you can see Albo barely remembering to scoff at the Tories, he was so lost in justified admiration for our PM.

  251. Space Kidette

    Ms Adventure,

    Local Government Area.

  252. confessions

    SK:

    A recent curmudgeonly local centenarian refused the tree in favour of a morning tea with the mayor, where she reportedly gave him a piece of her mind.

  253. MsAdventure

    If she is in Longman then it is only Roy or Mark Furner.

  254. Space Kidette

    Confessions,

    I guess they have nothing to lose, but an awful lot to say at that age!

  255. Marrickville Mauler

    MsAdventure # 4320 – lga = Local Government Area, I would think. As a lawyer and public servant I speak acronym – but I am trying to give it up!

  256. kezza2

    rummel

    [No way Swan and Gillard will go to the next election with a failed surplus promis. March 2nd it will be.]

    Stop with this prediction please.

    March 2, 1996 was my parent’s 50th wedding anniversary.

    It was also the fkn election of John Howard.

    I will not, repeat not, allow the election of another Coalition govt on March 2.

    Pick another date FGS.

  257. kezza2

    rummel

    [No way Swan and Gillard will go to the next election with a failed surplus promis. March 2nd it will be.]

    Stop with this prediction please.

    March 2, 1996 was my parent’s 50th wedding anniversary.

    It was also the fkn election of John Howard.

    I will not, repeat not, allow the election of another Coalition govt on March 2.

    Pick another date FGS.

  258. jeffemu

    Confessions..

    Re the planting of a tree. I believe if Can’t Do Newman had his way he’d make the centenarians dig their own hole for the planting of the tree.

  259. MsAdventure

    The State MP, also an LNP member can also put in the request to the Premier’s office who then pass it to the Feds. For a 100th and a letter from the Queen try to get the request in 2 months before her birthday.
    http://www.itsanhonour.gov.au/anniversary/congrats_brochure.pdf

  260. fiona

    Marrickville Mauler,

    I agree, I do, and I did: every re-viewing of THAT vid is why it will be an exemplar speech for thousands of fortunate students of multifarious disciplines for at least the next few decades.

    It was perfect – with the “looking at his watch” gibe as the cherry on top of the whipped cream on top of the icing …

  261. fiona

    Jeffemu,

    [Re the planting of a tree. I believe if Can’t Do Newman had his way he’d make the centenarians dig their own hole for the planting of the tree.]

    Is your subtext that the centenarian should provide their own tree’s fertiliser?

    If so, disgusting (on the Premier’s part), but unsurprisement.

  262. MsAdventure

    Fiona, and purchase their own shovel to do the digging.

  263. Space Kidette

    MsAdventure,

    Ta I will give my aunt a copy!

  264. jeffemu

    Fiona.

    Nothing surprises me with Can’tDo. What I enjoy doing up here in QLD when chatting and getting around to politics, is to try and find someone that actually voted for the little grub.

    No one up here puts their hands up and proudly proclaim that they voted for the LNP.

    In a funny sort of a way it is a good time to be known as a Labor voting person.

  265. CTar1

    Can someone anyone please tell me the recent ‘perpendicular’ argument is not specifically related to male posters?

  266. Marrickville Mauler

    fiona #4332. yes and that the Tories didnt see the watch reference coming because they didnt see anything out of the ordinary in the LOTO’s behaviour at all!

    PM was so clearly white hot angry and yet perfectly in control at the same time the whole way through . As perfect as one can hope for.

    I hope Gough has had the chance to watch it; someone at work I can and will ask about that on Monday

    Which by the way is Human Rights Day commemorating the Universal Declaration of Human Rights … I will be having a quite drink in memory of Dr Evatt for the occasion

  267. Space Kidette

    Jeffemu,

    Not a lot of people holding back on the newman sledging here on the Gold Coast!

  268. Space Kidette

    Have to say goodnite. Can’t keep my eyes open!

  269. MsAdventure

    SK

    It is the same here north of Brisbane. The latest I hear – “Just when you think the Christmas joy couldn’t get any better than 100 jobs gone at Brisbane RCH, Santa Newman scraps early childhood hearing and eyesight testing across Qld”.

  270. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    I have not sent or received any emails by to/from PBers.

    My Say, perhaps you should let the person know you got that email. They probably do not know their email has been infected.

    That happened to me once, and a spam email went to everyone in my address book. I had to contact everyone and tell them to delete it.

  271. MsAdventure

    [That happened to me once, and a spam email went to everyone in my address book. I had to contact everyone and tell them to delete it.]

    When that happened to me my address book was wiped. I have not saved anyone’s email address in My Contacts since then, just in case it happens again.

  272. fiona

    Marrickville Mauler,

    I look forward to your friend’s response re Mr Whitlam.

    And like several others on here, goodnight from me, and from them, and from …

    And I hope the party across the road settles down sooner rather than later 🙁

  273. rummel

    [It was also the fkn election of John Howard.

    I will not, repeat not, allow the election of another Coalition govt on March 2.

    Pick another date FGS.]

    Its perfect

  274. CTar1

    [‘Dire’ manufacturing data pushes UK closer to triple-dip recession

    ONS says factory output fell far faster than expected in October – putting prized AAA credit rating under further pressure]

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/dec/07/manufacturing-data-uk-triple-dip-recession

  275. CTar1

    [I hope the party across the road settles down sooner rather than later]

    They were just on the phone ordering another keg.

  276. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    The problem of people with disabilities moving from the disability sector to the aged care sector at 65 years of age is a problem that already exists and needs addressing. It will be a difficult issue to address and will take time.

    There is an assumption that the aged care system can and does meet the needs of the elderly disabled. It cannot and does not. What happens is that all the supports that a disabled person has the day before they turn 65 are lost when the magic mark is passed. They then compete in an under-resourced, shambolic and complicated market for the services available to people without their specific needs. For a start they are transferred to aged pension. Loss of the disability pension then affects eligibility for equipment and services. As people with disabilities are living longer, this is happening more often.

    People with disabilities call it the miracle birthday. It is when your disability is magically cured, according to the government.

  277. guytaur

    I think Hartcher was drinking something. He has written an article I think Bludgers will like to a degree.

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/abbotts-whiteline-fever-20121207-2b11i.html

  278. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    guytaur@4351


    I think Hartcher was drinking something. He has written an article I think Bludgers will like to a degree.

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/abbotts-whiteline-fever-20121207-2b11i.html

    Yes, someone must have slipped him a mickey finn.

    And with regard to finding the money for the NDIS, it has to be found, one way or the other.

    Maybe we might have to, horror horror, cut middle class welfare so people do not have to wait five years for an electric wheelchair.

  279. guytaur

    Puff

    Funding the NDIS is easy when you make it a priority. Its what you cut that is hard for a politician. It will have to be more than just Middle Class Welfare.

    I think also the welfare of subsidies on Fossil Fuels will complete the numbers, However know I could well be wrong as I am not up on the numbers completely.

    If Hartcher is right in his prediction of the mining boom ending. (I am not so sure with China and India needing resources.) I think the Pacific Highway funding and High Speed Trains will suffer.

    Labor will cut Social Security, Health and Education last.

  280. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    I think this Christmas card designed for the Merseyside Police is lovely.

    [BluesAndTwosArt ‏@BluesAndTwosArt

    We’ve just designed @MerseyPolice 2012 Xmas Card. What do you think? pic.twitter.com/n7JBUvPR ]

  281. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    guytaur
    Corporate welfare could do with a cut or two. It should be outlawed world-wide.

  282. guytaur

    I am off to bed.
    Good night.

  283. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    Congratulations My Say, on your 44th anniversary.

  284. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    nite, guytaur.

  285. davidwh

    On average I would say one out of every second person who denies voting for the LNP is probably telling porkies.

  286. Tom the first and best

    4360

    Would you say that about half the people who say they are voting for the Coalition are lying?

  287. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    [A receptionist at the private hospital which treated the Duchess of Cambridge has died in a suspected suicide – two days after being duped by an amateurish hoax from an Australian radio station.

    The woman’s unconscious body was found at an address yards away from King Edward VII Hospital, where she worked, just before 9.30am today.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2244608/Receptionist-Kate-hospital-duped-Australian-DJs-prank-phone-dies-suspected-suicide.html#ixzz2ENWscQT9
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook ]

  288. William Bowe

    At the very best of times, I’d wait for confirmation from an independent source before I believed anything I read in the Daily Mail. Anyway, for what it’s worth at this stage …

    [Media Guido ‏@MediaGuido

    Sky now reporting it is a nurse and not the receptionist. ]

  289. William Bowe

    [Guido Fawkes ‏@GuidoFawkes

    Standard went to print at 13.30 saying it was a nurse, manning reception, believed to be 1st person to answer phone: http://bit.ly/TOIJok ]

  290. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    Still the jungle drums rumble, to use an old Tarzan analogy.
    (Mine in brackets)
    [In fact, on the Ashby matter, I was wondering why are we yet to see all the texts allegedly from Christopher Pyne regarding Ashby? I am well aware of their (alleged) existence as are may others I know, and I am aware of what is allegedly in them, and I wonder why we are yet to see them all over the front page of the papers? They do make for some eye-opening insights to say the least if they are proven to be true. I thought someone would be rushing to be first with the story, but alas it seems they would rather search in vain for non-existent evidence on the PM than use what they already (allegedly) have on an opposition front bencher. From what I’ve heard Pyne (allegedly) must be very nervous indeed.]
    http://wixxyleaks.com/2012/12/08/glittering-prize/

  291. deblonay

    Sydney Radio is certainly a noxious swamp with some awful people in it

    Sandilands…Jones..and now this silly pair…whose careers are hopefully over ..and on hopes this may lead to some more stringent controls on Radio in Glitter City
    but why is it ???

  292. frednk

    [Bushfire Bill
    Posted Monday, December 3, 2012 at 7:35 pm | Permalink

    “On the AWU matter, I have heard from someone with links to the Liberal-National Party in Queensland that there is still one document to be released by Ralph Blewitt that will result in a slam dunk against the Prime Minister.

    Christ! How many times have we heard Julia is for the chop, slam-dunk or whatever?

    And from a pissant like Blewitt?

    I doubt it.]

    The definition of stupidity is to do the same thing twice and expect a different outcome. The Liberals have been around that tree so many times their stupidity is getting is getting hard to take.