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	<title>Comments on: Newspoll: 51-49 to Coalition</title>
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		<title>By: Dorrie Evans</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2013/01/14/newspoll-51-49-to-coalition-4/comment-page-72/#comment-1526001</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorrie Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What has been will be again,
    what has been done will be done again;
    there is nothing new under the sun.

I see the pretty knitters are still letting what&#039;s left of their lives ebb into the ether.
Some of you are bright enough to know it even if the messenger is a little shit.
All perspective is lost if you fixate and less is more simply because it has more punch. All this handbag at twenty paces stuff is nonsense, puerile and very unbecoming.

I apologise for being a jerk at times but I am very frustrated. I looked at posts from 2011 and even though there were psychos even then, there was humor and playfulness and far less bickering.

There are a number of problems going on here. We have a hard core group of posters who&#039;s positions from the Middle East to free speech and everything in between are entrenched and even if JC descended and said otherwise people on any side of any debate would not be convinced (those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still as Mother would say).

The other hurdle is that many of them are very intelligent, have very long memories and have all day, every day to argue their case.
 Unfortunately for the rest of us who are just trying to find a bit of truth amongst all the sparkling propaganda (let&#039;s face it, most of it is), it becomes difficult to discern what is truth and what is opinion parading as fact.

The other glaring thing about some of the regulars is the hypocrisy inherent in the way they conduct themselves. They rail against the tactics used by the MSM but they have not only absorbed the tactics but ape them at every turn.
They refuse to see that they themselves are a clique and a claque that flatter each other and studiously bolster the ramparts that hold them afloat from day to day.
Interlopers are viewed as Icarus types who will be sent to Coventry if they dare challenge the prevailing orthodoxy.
Personally, I think I understand what is going on here. There are a lot of people on here who are lonely and bored who would be devastated if this blog were taken away from them.
 Hence the ferocious border protection policies that go something like this- &quot;Hi Dorie, welcome aboard. Gee Dorrie, don&#039;t know if I agree with that. How long before Dorrie falls underneath the PB bus lol&quot;. It has become their lifeline and they will defend it with every bit of gumption they possess.
This is problematic on so many levels I don&#039;t know where to start.
Frankly there are about 20 regulars who should take a very long holiday.
Imagine being invited to William&#039;s house for a party and being sat next to one of them. They talk and talk and talk and manage to say nothing (except of course about how wonderfully intelligent they are), talk over the top of each other and eventually hurl the simplest and most embarrassingly unoriginal insults at each other at the top of their voices for the entire evening.

The other more temperate guests (lurkers all),try to lighten the evening with a joke but it is immediately wrung though the post modern and entirely humorless mincer of Medusa&#039;s molars.
The club consists of a group of people who are lamentably puffed up by being the first to report a tweet or an &#039;update&#039; or god knows what from the 24 hr news cycle.
Some of them are so desperate for praise that they will stay glued to 79 news feeds just to be cyber patted and and clucked over by all the other headless PB chooks.

I think the blog deserves better than this. There are many people who lurk and occasionally post astonishingly beautiful things but they are drowned out by the loud mouthed and excruciatingly boring bullies who don&#039;t know that they are bullies and refuse to shut up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What has been will be again,<br />
    what has been done will be done again;<br />
    there is nothing new under the sun.</p>
<p>I see the pretty knitters are still letting what&#8217;s left of their lives ebb into the ether.<br />
Some of you are bright enough to know it even if the messenger is a little shit.<br />
All perspective is lost if you fixate and less is more simply because it has more punch. All this handbag at twenty paces stuff is nonsense, puerile and very unbecoming.</p>
<p>I apologise for being a jerk at times but I am very frustrated. I looked at posts from 2011 and even though there were psychos even then, there was humor and playfulness and far less bickering.</p>
<p>There are a number of problems going on here. We have a hard core group of posters who&#8217;s positions from the Middle East to free speech and everything in between are entrenched and even if JC descended and said otherwise people on any side of any debate would not be convinced (those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still as Mother would say).</p>
<p>The other hurdle is that many of them are very intelligent, have very long memories and have all day, every day to argue their case.<br />
 Unfortunately for the rest of us who are just trying to find a bit of truth amongst all the sparkling propaganda (let&#8217;s face it, most of it is), it becomes difficult to discern what is truth and what is opinion parading as fact.</p>
<p>The other glaring thing about some of the regulars is the hypocrisy inherent in the way they conduct themselves. They rail against the tactics used by the MSM but they have not only absorbed the tactics but ape them at every turn.<br />
They refuse to see that they themselves are a clique and a claque that flatter each other and studiously bolster the ramparts that hold them afloat from day to day.<br />
Interlopers are viewed as Icarus types who will be sent to Coventry if they dare challenge the prevailing orthodoxy.<br />
Personally, I think I understand what is going on here. There are a lot of people on here who are lonely and bored who would be devastated if this blog were taken away from them.<br />
 Hence the ferocious border protection policies that go something like this- &#8220;Hi Dorie, welcome aboard. Gee Dorrie, don&#8217;t know if I agree with that. How long before Dorrie falls underneath the PB bus lol&#8221;. It has become their lifeline and they will defend it with every bit of gumption they possess.<br />
This is problematic on so many levels I don&#8217;t know where to start.<br />
Frankly there are about 20 regulars who should take a very long holiday.<br />
Imagine being invited to William&#8217;s house for a party and being sat next to one of them. They talk and talk and talk and manage to say nothing (except of course about how wonderfully intelligent they are), talk over the top of each other and eventually hurl the simplest and most embarrassingly unoriginal insults at each other at the top of their voices for the entire evening.</p>
<p>The other more temperate guests (lurkers all),try to lighten the evening with a joke but it is immediately wrung though the post modern and entirely humorless mincer of Medusa&#8217;s molars.<br />
The club consists of a group of people who are lamentably puffed up by being the first to report a tweet or an &#8216;update&#8217; or god knows what from the 24 hr news cycle.<br />
Some of them are so desperate for praise that they will stay glued to 79 news feeds just to be cyber patted and and clucked over by all the other headless PB chooks.</p>
<p>I think the blog deserves better than this. There are many people who lurk and occasionally post astonishingly beautiful things but they are drowned out by the loud mouthed and excruciatingly boring bullies who don&#8217;t know that they are bullies and refuse to shut up.</p>
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		<title>By: J M</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2013/01/14/newspoll-51-49-to-coalition-4/comment-page-72/#comment-1521594</link>
		<dc:creator>J M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2013 03:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know when the Insiders returns? It&#039;s always nice to hear the fair, balanced and unbiased comments by Niki Savva. She stays fair and composed, even if the two Labor hacks on there gang up on her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know when the Insiders returns? It&#8217;s always nice to hear the fair, balanced and unbiased comments by Niki Savva. She stays fair and composed, even if the two Labor hacks on there gang up on her.</p>
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		<title>By: cud chewer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2013/01/14/newspoll-51-49-to-coalition-4/comment-page-72/#comment-1521353</link>
		<dc:creator>cud chewer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 10:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no idea what any of you are on about.

Yes, it is a bit hard when you&#039;re stuck in an alternate universe :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea what any of you are on about.</p>
<p>Yes, it is a bit hard when you&#8217;re stuck in an alternate universe <img src='http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: J M</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2013/01/14/newspoll-51-49-to-coalition-4/comment-page-72/#comment-1521321</link>
		<dc:creator>J M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 09:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no idea what any of you are on about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea what any of you are on about.</p>
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		<title>By: Puff, the Magic Dragon.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2013/01/14/newspoll-51-49-to-coalition-4/comment-page-72/#comment-1521319</link>
		<dc:creator>Puff, the Magic Dragon.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 09:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2013/01/14/newspoll-51-49-to-coalition-4/?comment_page=70/#comment-1521173&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;J M@3498&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;
frednk – I opposed medicare myself, I don’t like handouts. My electorate has been eternally National, and schools and hospitals and everything else here are in fine state, and every time I’ve had a problem, I’ve found my member (current and former) to be very helpful.

Next time you see an overpriced school hall, thousands of Muslim illegal immigrants, and hear the word pink batts, just remember one word – ‘Labor’.
&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I like intelligent discussion. You have just disqualified yourself. 

And if you really are s
Showson, you should be ashamed of yourself for typing that drivel. I shall report you to the  RSPCK (Royal Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Keyboards).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2013/01/14/newspoll-51-49-to-coalition-4/?comment_page=70/#comment-1521173" rel="nofollow">J M@3498</a></p>
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frednk – I opposed medicare myself, I don’t like handouts. My electorate has been eternally National, and schools and hospitals and everything else here are in fine state, and every time I’ve had a problem, I’ve found my member (current and former) to be very helpful.</p>
<p>Next time you see an overpriced school hall, thousands of Muslim illegal immigrants, and hear the word pink batts, just remember one word – ‘Labor’.<br />
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<p>I like intelligent discussion. You have just disqualified yourself. </p>
<p>And if you really are s<br />
Showson, you should be ashamed of yourself for typing that drivel. I shall report you to the  RSPCK (Royal Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Keyboards).</p>
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		<title>By: J M</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2013/01/14/newspoll-51-49-to-coalition-4/comment-page-72/#comment-1521316</link>
		<dc:creator>J M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 09:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do Labor supporters say that the AWU affair is irrelevant because it was 20 years ago, but they still go on about something Abbott is alleged to have done 35 years ago?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do Labor supporters say that the AWU affair is irrelevant because it was 20 years ago, but they still go on about something Abbott is alleged to have done 35 years ago?</p>
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		<title>By: J M</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2013/01/14/newspoll-51-49-to-coalition-4/comment-page-72/#comment-1521313</link>
		<dc:creator>J M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 09:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zoomster - I completely disagree. I despise leftism, and those national voters that you know - I would be ashamed that they were a member of the same party as me. How on earth are we more similar? Labor is centre-left, Liberal centre-right, Nationals right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zoomster &#8211; I completely disagree. I despise leftism, and those national voters that you know &#8211; I would be ashamed that they were a member of the same party as me. How on earth are we more similar? Labor is centre-left, Liberal centre-right, Nationals right.</p>
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		<title>By: zoomster</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2013/01/14/newspoll-51-49-to-coalition-4/comment-page-72/#comment-1521240</link>
		<dc:creator>zoomster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 05:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know a lot of National voters. 

The more politically active they are, the more they tend to respect and admire me.

The most usual reaction from a National voter re Labor is &quot;I don&#039;t understand why we don&#039;t form coalitions with you guys. We have more in common with you than with the Libs.&quot;

That, btw, applies to National MPs as well as ordinary voters. 

One fairly ostentatiously accompanied me as I walked around the local show during the 2007 election, introducing me to to people. SM was at the same event - he didn&#039;t go near her.

A Nationals voter who professes extreme hatred for Labor is quite rare. It&#039;s the Libs who hate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know a lot of National voters. </p>
<p>The more politically active they are, the more they tend to respect and admire me.</p>
<p>The most usual reaction from a National voter re Labor is &#8220;I don&#8217;t understand why we don&#8217;t form coalitions with you guys. We have more in common with you than with the Libs.&#8221;</p>
<p>That, btw, applies to National MPs as well as ordinary voters. </p>
<p>One fairly ostentatiously accompanied me as I walked around the local show during the 2007 election, introducing me to to people. SM was at the same event &#8211; he didn&#8217;t go near her.</p>
<p>A Nationals voter who professes extreme hatred for Labor is quite rare. It&#8217;s the Libs who hate.</p>
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		<title>By: Psephos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Psephos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 05:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Showson always maintains some vaguely tenuous connection to reality but GP never bothered to do so.]

ShowsOn is also an abusive loudmouth. This guy isn&#039;t, he&#039;s just a reciter of Coalition talking points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Showson always maintains some vaguely tenuous connection to reality but GP never bothered to do so.</p></blockquote>
<p>ShowsOn is also an abusive loudmouth. This guy isn&#8217;t, he&#8217;s just a reciter of Coalition talking points.</p>
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		<title>By: deblonay</title>
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		<dc:creator>deblonay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 05:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GG 
for some reason part of  my comment on GG statement  was
ommited
My reply is   on  post 3219-65</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GG<br />
for some reason part of  my comment on GG statement  was<br />
ommited<br />
My reply is   on  post 3219-65</p>
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