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		<title>By: Dorrie Evans</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2013/01/19/seat-of-the-week-fisher/comment-page-18/#comment-1526002</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorrie Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dorrie Evans
Posted Saturday, January 26, 2013 at 2:31 am &#124; Permalink

What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.

I see the pretty knitters are still letting what’s left of their lives ebb into the ether.
Some of you are bright enough to know it even if the messenger is a little shit.
All perspective is lost if you fixate and less is more simply because it has more punch. All this handbag at twenty paces stuff is nonsense, puerile and very unbecoming.

I apologise for being a jerk at times but I am very frustrated. I looked at posts from 2011 and even though there were psychos even then, there was humor and playfulness and far less bickering.

There are a number of problems going on here. We have a hard core group of posters who’s positions from the Middle East to free speech and everything in between are entrenched and even if JC descended and said otherwise people on any side of any debate would not be convinced (those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still as Mother would say).

The other hurdle is that many of them are very intelligent, have very long memories and have all day, every day to argue their case.
Unfortunately for the rest of us who are just trying to find a bit of truth amongst all the sparkling propaganda (let’s face it, most of it is), it becomes difficult to discern what is truth and what is opinion parading as fact.

The other glaring thing about some of the regulars is the hypocrisy inherent in the way they conduct themselves. They rail against the tactics used by the MSM but they have not only absorbed the tactics but ape them at every turn.
They refuse to see that they themselves are a clique and a claque that flatter each other and studiously bolster the ramparts that hold them afloat from day to day.
Interlopers are viewed as Icarus types who will be sent to Coventry if they dare challenge the prevailing orthodoxy.
Personally, I think I understand what is going on here. There are a lot of people on here who are lonely and bored who would be devastated if this blog were taken away from them.
Hence the ferocious border protection policies that go something like this- “Hi Dorie, welcome aboard. Gee Dorrie, don’t know if I agree with that. How long before Dorrie falls underneath the PB bus lol”. It has become their lifeline and they will defend it with every bit of gumption they possess.
This is problematic on so many levels I don’t know where to start.
Frankly there are about 20 regulars who should take a very long holiday.
Imagine being invited to William’s house for a party and being sat next to one of them. They talk and talk and talk and manage to say nothing (except of course about how wonderfully intelligent they are), talk over the top of each other and eventually hurl the simplest and most embarrassingly unoriginal insults at each other at the top of their voices for the entire evening.

The other more temperate guests (lurkers all),try to lighten the evening with a joke but it is immediately wrung though the post modern and entirely humorless mincer of Medusa’s molars.
The club consists of a group of people who are lamentably puffed up by being the first to report a tweet or an ‘update’ or god knows what from the 24 hr news cycle.
Some of them are so desperate for praise that they will stay glued to 79 news feeds just to be cyber patted and and clucked over by all the other headless PB chooks.

I think the blog deserves better than this. There are many people who lurk and occasionally post astonishingly beautiful things but they are drowned out by the loud mouthed and excruciatingly boring bullies who don’t know that they are bullies and refuse to shut up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dorrie Evans<br />
Posted Saturday, January 26, 2013 at 2:31 am | Permalink</p>
<p>What has been will be again,<br />
what has been done will be done again;<br />
there is nothing new under the sun.</p>
<p>I see the pretty knitters are still letting what’s left of their lives ebb into the ether.<br />
Some of you are bright enough to know it even if the messenger is a little shit.<br />
All perspective is lost if you fixate and less is more simply because it has more punch. All this handbag at twenty paces stuff is nonsense, puerile and very unbecoming.</p>
<p>I apologise for being a jerk at times but I am very frustrated. I looked at posts from 2011 and even though there were psychos even then, there was humor and playfulness and far less bickering.</p>
<p>There are a number of problems going on here. We have a hard core group of posters who’s positions from the Middle East to free speech and everything in between are entrenched and even if JC descended and said otherwise people on any side of any debate would not be convinced (those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still as Mother would say).</p>
<p>The other hurdle is that many of them are very intelligent, have very long memories and have all day, every day to argue their case.<br />
Unfortunately for the rest of us who are just trying to find a bit of truth amongst all the sparkling propaganda (let’s face it, most of it is), it becomes difficult to discern what is truth and what is opinion parading as fact.</p>
<p>The other glaring thing about some of the regulars is the hypocrisy inherent in the way they conduct themselves. They rail against the tactics used by the MSM but they have not only absorbed the tactics but ape them at every turn.<br />
They refuse to see that they themselves are a clique and a claque that flatter each other and studiously bolster the ramparts that hold them afloat from day to day.<br />
Interlopers are viewed as Icarus types who will be sent to Coventry if they dare challenge the prevailing orthodoxy.<br />
Personally, I think I understand what is going on here. There are a lot of people on here who are lonely and bored who would be devastated if this blog were taken away from them.<br />
Hence the ferocious border protection policies that go something like this- “Hi Dorie, welcome aboard. Gee Dorrie, don’t know if I agree with that. How long before Dorrie falls underneath the PB bus lol”. It has become their lifeline and they will defend it with every bit of gumption they possess.<br />
This is problematic on so many levels I don’t know where to start.<br />
Frankly there are about 20 regulars who should take a very long holiday.<br />
Imagine being invited to William’s house for a party and being sat next to one of them. They talk and talk and talk and manage to say nothing (except of course about how wonderfully intelligent they are), talk over the top of each other and eventually hurl the simplest and most embarrassingly unoriginal insults at each other at the top of their voices for the entire evening.</p>
<p>The other more temperate guests (lurkers all),try to lighten the evening with a joke but it is immediately wrung though the post modern and entirely humorless mincer of Medusa’s molars.<br />
The club consists of a group of people who are lamentably puffed up by being the first to report a tweet or an ‘update’ or god knows what from the 24 hr news cycle.<br />
Some of them are so desperate for praise that they will stay glued to 79 news feeds just to be cyber patted and and clucked over by all the other headless PB chooks.</p>
<p>I think the blog deserves better than this. There are many people who lurk and occasionally post astonishingly beautiful things but they are drowned out by the loud mouthed and excruciatingly boring bullies who don’t know that they are bullies and refuse to shut up.</p>
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		<title>By: bilge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2013/01/19/seat-of-the-week-fisher/comment-page-18/#comment-1524075</link>
		<dc:creator>bilge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 08:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the ReachTel survey in Fisher,the survey was conducted before the full impact of the Rares judgment was felt. Also,since then, it was announced Mal Brough is being investigated by the AFP for allegedly attempting to induce Fairfax incumbent Alex Somlyay to retire early and allow an early transfer. The ALP is running an extremely strong local candidate, Bill Gissane, who is well supported and has the essential credentials of being a cleanskin and a successful business operator. The result in this seat may well be a surprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the ReachTel survey in Fisher,the survey was conducted before the full impact of the Rares judgment was felt. Also,since then, it was announced Mal Brough is being investigated by the AFP for allegedly attempting to induce Fairfax incumbent Alex Somlyay to retire early and allow an early transfer. The ALP is running an extremely strong local candidate, Bill Gissane, who is well supported and has the essential credentials of being a cleanskin and a successful business operator. The result in this seat may well be a surprise.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Elder</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2013/01/19/seat-of-the-week-fisher/comment-page-17/#comment-1522924</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Elder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 05:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Of course, they couldn’t do this in practice because to have done so would have shattered the unity of the coalition base and nearly as bad, they’d have had to do the hard work of policy specification consulting that disrupted base and all of its sub-factions. The coalition would not have been able to stay united for 2 hours let alone 2 years&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Fran&#039;s been reading my blog! Knew I&#039;d get through to you ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Of course, they couldn’t do this in practice because to have done so would have shattered the unity of the coalition base and nearly as bad, they’d have had to do the hard work of policy specification consulting that disrupted base and all of its sub-factions. The coalition would not have been able to stay united for 2 hours let alone 2 years</p></blockquote>
<p>Fran&#8217;s been reading my blog! Knew I&#8217;d get through to you <img src='http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-wink.png' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: WeWantPaul</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2013/01/19/seat-of-the-week-fisher/comment-page-17/#comment-1522148</link>
		<dc:creator>WeWantPaul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 03:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[So, WWP, after having proof read the above I probably haven’t answered you properly. I’m afraid my propensity to waffle overides most things in my life ….I apologise and hope you don’t find this as stupid a comment as you proffessed Confessions@708 to be.]

No I think confessions enjoys saying silly things about Rudd, that post I largely agree with.  Sadly in Labor we have many more Howse and the Catanias they raise up, and very few Gallops and Hawkes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So, WWP, after having proof read the above I probably haven’t answered you properly. I’m afraid my propensity to waffle overides most things in my life ….I apologise and hope you don’t find this as stupid a comment as you proffessed Confessions@708 to be.</p></blockquote>
<p>No I think confessions enjoys saying silly things about Rudd, that post I largely agree with.  Sadly in Labor we have many more Howse and the Catanias they raise up, and very few Gallops and Hawkes.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynchpin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2013/01/19/seat-of-the-week-fisher/comment-page-17/#comment-1522121</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynchpin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 02:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Did Newman leave Brissie Council a hero ?]

No. I think he was generally despised as an arrogant turd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Did Newman leave Brissie Council a hero ?</p></blockquote>
<p>No. I think he was generally despised as an arrogant turd.</p>
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		<title>By: BSA Bob</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2013/01/19/seat-of-the-week-fisher/comment-page-17/#comment-1522116</link>
		<dc:creator>BSA Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 02:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The miners.... knew weakness when they saw it. Rudd was stupid showing it to them.

Murdoch &amp; Abbott knew it too. Fran B has uttered a great truth there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The miners&#8230;. knew weakness when they saw it. Rudd was stupid showing it to them.</p>
<p>Murdoch &amp; Abbott knew it too. Fran B has uttered a great truth there.</p>
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		<title>By: Greensborough Growler</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2013/01/19/seat-of-the-week-fisher/comment-page-17/#comment-1522114</link>
		<dc:creator>Greensborough Growler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 02:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>davidwh,

Possum did a fairly comprehensive study of Poll house bias last year which you may want to check out.

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2012/11/11/trends-the-horserace-and-random-numbers/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>davidwh,</p>
<p>Possum did a fairly comprehensive study of Poll house bias last year which you may want to check out.</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2012/11/11/trends-the-horserace-and-random-numbers/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2012/11/11/trends-the-horserace-and-random-numbers/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rex Douglas</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2013/01/19/seat-of-the-week-fisher/comment-page-17/#comment-1522112</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 02:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can understand senior Australians reliant solely on their newspapers and nightly FTA &#039;news&#039; being conservative voters but for the life of me I can&#039;t understand how younger Australian fully aware of the unbiased facts, thanks to all the modern day sources of information, can favour the conservatives when choosing a policy direction.
Totally bewildering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand senior Australians reliant solely on their newspapers and nightly FTA &#8216;news&#8217; being conservative voters but for the life of me I can&#8217;t understand how younger Australian fully aware of the unbiased facts, thanks to all the modern day sources of information, can favour the conservatives when choosing a policy direction.<br />
Totally bewildering.</p>
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		<title>By: confessions</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2013/01/19/seat-of-the-week-fisher/comment-page-17/#comment-1522108</link>
		<dc:creator>confessions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 02:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Turnbull approached Labor many years ago to join the party, but even then they said no thanks.]

Yes, I was aware of that. IMO there&#039;s more similarities between Turnbull and Rudd than there are between Turnbull and Keating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Turnbull approached Labor many years ago to join the party, but even then they said no thanks.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, I was aware of that. IMO there&#8217;s more similarities between Turnbull and Rudd than there are between Turnbull and Keating.</p>
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		<title>By: Sohar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2013/01/19/seat-of-the-week-fisher/comment-page-17/#comment-1522106</link>
		<dc:creator>Sohar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 02:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t say Non-Essential moves at glacial speed because glaciers move a lot faster than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t say Non-Essential moves at glacial speed because glaciers move a lot faster than that.</p>
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