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		<title>By: Arrnea Stormbringer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2013/02/15/wa-election-ballot-paper-draw/comment-page-1/#comment-1549644</link>
		<dc:creator>Arrnea Stormbringer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 09:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;John Ryan&lt;/b&gt;
With the NATs why have our fearless reporters not tackled Col And the chair sniffer on that very large SLUSH fund run by the National party, plenty of cash for Grylls and the election in the north but none to fix up the wheat belt train lines.
Which were sold by the incompetent Court Govt,but then The West and Ch 7 are both run by Stokes and Liberal HQ&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That&#039;d be because of our status as a plutocracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><b>John Ryan</b><br />
With the NATs why have our fearless reporters not tackled Col And the chair sniffer on that very large SLUSH fund run by the National party, plenty of cash for Grylls and the election in the north but none to fix up the wheat belt train lines.<br />
Which were sold by the incompetent Court Govt,but then The West and Ch 7 are both run by Stokes and Liberal HQ</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;d be because of our status as a plutocracy.</p>
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		<title>By: John Ryan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2013/02/15/wa-election-ballot-paper-draw/comment-page-1/#comment-1549641</link>
		<dc:creator>John Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 09:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the NATs why have our fearless reporters not tackled Col And the chair sniffer on that very large SLUSH fund run by the National party, plenty of cash for Grylls and the election in the north but none to fix up the wheat belt train lines.
Which were sold by the incompetent Court Govt,but then The West and Ch 7 are both run by Stokes and Liberal HQ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the NATs why have our fearless reporters not tackled Col And the chair sniffer on that very large SLUSH fund run by the National party, plenty of cash for Grylls and the election in the north but none to fix up the wheat belt train lines.<br />
Which were sold by the incompetent Court Govt,but then The West and Ch 7 are both run by Stokes and Liberal HQ</p>
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		<title>By: Mick Quinlivan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2013/02/15/wa-election-ballot-paper-draw/comment-page-1/#comment-1549511</link>
		<dc:creator>Mick Quinlivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 07:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This polling seems bizare.... no change of govt , opinion polls showing a 57/43 split....... the Nats winning seats they should not. Labor to win and lose metro seats.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This polling seems bizare&#8230;. no change of govt , opinion polls showing a 57/43 split&#8230;&#8230;. the Nats winning seats they should not. Labor to win and lose metro seats&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Arrnea Stormbringer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2013/02/15/wa-election-ballot-paper-draw/comment-page-1/#comment-1549428</link>
		<dc:creator>Arrnea Stormbringer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 06:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;Bird of paradox&lt;/b&gt;
What’s this “Australian Christians” thing supposed to be? I thought it was some kind of alliance of the minor Christian parties (CDP, FF, DLP), but if FF are running separately that can’t be it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They seem to have slipped in more or less under the radar, but here are some sources about them:
http://australianchristians.com.au/ (their website)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-16/church-leaders-upset-over-australian-christians-party-name/4134380 (a story about their registration)

In short, it appears to be a spinoff of the Christian Democratic Party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><b>Bird of paradox</b><br />
What’s this “Australian Christians” thing supposed to be? I thought it was some kind of alliance of the minor Christian parties (CDP, FF, DLP), but if FF are running separately that can’t be it.</p></blockquote>
<p>They seem to have slipped in more or less under the radar, but here are some sources about them:<br />
<a href="http://australianchristians.com.au/" rel="nofollow">http://australianchristians.com.au/</a> (their website)<br />
<a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-16/church-leaders-upset-over-australian-christians-party-name/4134380" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-16/church-leaders-upset-over-australian-christians-party-name/4134380</a> (a story about their registration)</p>
<p>In short, it appears to be a spinoff of the Christian Democratic Party.</p>
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		<title>By: Bird of paradox</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2013/02/15/wa-election-ballot-paper-draw/comment-page-1/#comment-1549074</link>
		<dc:creator>Bird of paradox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 00:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s this &quot;Australian Christians&quot; thing supposed to be? I thought it was some kind of alliance of the minor Christian parties (CDP, FF, DLP), but if FF are running separately that can&#039;t be it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s this &#8220;Australian Christians&#8221; thing supposed to be? I thought it was some kind of alliance of the minor Christian parties (CDP, FF, DLP), but if FF are running separately that can&#8217;t be it.</p>
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		<title>By: WeWantPaul</title>
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		<dc:creator>WeWantPaul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 00:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[However, Labor would win Morley and Swan Hills from the Libearls and pick up Fremantle from independent Adele Carles.]

If Labor picked up Swan Hills it would restore some of my faith in voters, I wouldn&#039;t be at all surprised if Alban had a negative sophomore surge, he really only promised a train and to remove Ellenbrook&#039;s restrictive covenants in the retail centre.   Neither delivered and the second was a silly idea driven by a campaign by a very small number of landowners so of course he tried to do that which is more than he did with the train promise which he tried to pretend he hadn&#039;t made.

Would be great to see Ian win too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>However, Labor would win Morley and Swan Hills from the Libearls and pick up Fremantle from independent Adele Carles.</p></blockquote>
<p>If Labor picked up Swan Hills it would restore some of my faith in voters, I wouldn&#8217;t be at all surprised if Alban had a negative sophomore surge, he really only promised a train and to remove Ellenbrook&#8217;s restrictive covenants in the retail centre.   Neither delivered and the second was a silly idea driven by a campaign by a very small number of landowners so of course he tried to do that which is more than he did with the train promise which he tried to pretend he hadn&#8217;t made.</p>
<p>Would be great to see Ian win too.</p>
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		<title>By: Greensborough Growler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greensborough Growler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 21:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Libs better beware the &quot;Ides of Wanguri&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Libs better beware the &#8220;Ides of Wanguri&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: Arrnea Stormbringer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2013/02/15/wa-election-ballot-paper-draw/comment-page-1/#comment-1548590</link>
		<dc:creator>Arrnea Stormbringer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 10:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further to the point I was making, I did some more maths and calculated that the maximum amount of votes a party can win (on a 2PP basis) without winning the election asymptotes against 75% of the total votes cast as the number of electorates and the number of voters in each electorate increases to infinity.

In other words, polls that report a 2PP margin of narrower than 75-25 cannot substantiate a definite victory unless corroborated by further polling evidence on a more localised level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further to the point I was making, I did some more maths and calculated that the maximum amount of votes a party can win (on a 2PP basis) without winning the election asymptotes against 75% of the total votes cast as the number of electorates and the number of voters in each electorate increases to infinity.</p>
<p>In other words, polls that report a 2PP margin of narrower than 75-25 cannot substantiate a definite victory unless corroborated by further polling evidence on a more localised level.</p>
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		<title>By: rossmcg</title>
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		<dc:creator>rossmcg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 10:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arrnea

Well said , not much point if the libs get extra votes in the heartland if they don&#039;t get them in Albany. In a seat like that a good local member, which Peter Watson seems to be, can easily defy a swing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arrnea</p>
<p>Well said , not much point if the libs get extra votes in the heartland if they don&#8217;t get them in Albany. In a seat like that a good local member, which Peter Watson seems to be, can easily defy a swing.</p>
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		<title>By: Arrnea Stormbringer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2013/02/15/wa-election-ballot-paper-draw/comment-page-1/#comment-1548560</link>
		<dc:creator>Arrnea Stormbringer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 09:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;Mithrandir&lt;/b&gt;
As if this could possibly be a close election. The last Newspoll was 57:43 to the Coalition and Labor will be wiped out. There is no time for them to turn things around. They should just accept they will lose badly and give up.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, taking the polls at face value is a problem because a swing to the Liberals overall could simply be representing &quot;wasted&quot; vote gains in already solidly Liberal seats, or similarly &quot;wasted&quot; vote gains in solidly Labor seats that aren&#039;t at risk of being lost anyway.
Really, you need seat-by-seat polling to be sure (at least in the marginal seats that could change hands), but we don&#039;t see that.

That&#039;s the inherent problem with the electorate system. In an extreme case, a party with as much as 70% of the popular vote could actually lose the election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><b>Mithrandir</b><br />
As if this could possibly be a close election. The last Newspoll was 57:43 to the Coalition and Labor will be wiped out. There is no time for them to turn things around. They should just accept they will lose badly and give up.</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, taking the polls at face value is a problem because a swing to the Liberals overall could simply be representing &#8220;wasted&#8221; vote gains in already solidly Liberal seats, or similarly &#8220;wasted&#8221; vote gains in solidly Labor seats that aren&#8217;t at risk of being lost anyway.<br />
Really, you need seat-by-seat polling to be sure (at least in the marginal seats that could change hands), but we don&#8217;t see that.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the inherent problem with the electorate system. In an extreme case, a party with as much as 70% of the popular vote could actually lose the election.</p>
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