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BludgerTrack: 56.0-44.0 to Coalition

Three slightly less bad polls for Labor have softened the post-leadership crisis slump in the BludgerTrack poll aggregate. Also featured: preselection news and some minor changes to electoral law.

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The latest weekly BludgerTrack update accommodates results from Newspoll, Essential Research and Morgan’s multi-mode poll, with the latter looking like it will be a regularly weekly occurrence in contrast to the unpredictable schedule of the face-to-face series it has replaced. This is a somewhat better batch of polling for Labor than the previous week or two, gaining them 0.5% on two-party preferred and two extra on the seat projection. My latest bias adjustments for the Morgan multi-mode polling, based on comparison of its results with the overall poll trend, are +1.7% for Labor, +0.4% for the Coalition and -1.5% for the Greens, compared with +1.4%, +0.9% and -1.5% as I calculated them a week ago.

In other news, I have a raft of preselection action and a review of some minor electoral law changes:

• A bitterly contested preselection to replace Nicola Roxon in the rock solid Labor seat of Gellibrand in western Melbourne has been won by Telstra executive Tim Watts, running with the backing of Stephen Conroy, for whom he once worked as a staffer. His opponents were Katie Hall, a former adviser to Roxon who ran with her backing; Kimberley Kitching, former Melbourne councillor and current acting general manager of the Health Services Union No. 1 branch; Julia Mason and Daniel McKinnon. The 50% of the preselection vote determined by a local party ballot conducted on Monday saw 126 votes go to Watts, 105 to Kitching, 87 to Hall, 42 to McKinnon and four to Mason. Despite a preference deal between Kitching and Hall, that gave Watts a decisive lead going into Tuesday’s vote of the party’s Public Office Selection Committee, where the “stability pact” between the Shorten-Conroy Right forces and the Socialist Left reportedly assured him of about 70% of the vote. Andrew Crook of Crikey reports that Kitching, who had hoped to prevail with support from Turkish community leaders, was thwarted when the “Suleyman clan” (referring to an influential family in western suburbs politics) defected to Watts in exchange for support for Natalie Suleyman to take the number three position on the upper house ticket for Western Metropolitan at the next state election. A dirt sheet targeting Hall over her sexual history and involvement in the HSU was disseminated in the week before the vote, which has led to Kitching complaining to an ALP tribunal that Roxon had falsely accused her of being involved.

• Steve McMahon, chief executive of the NSW Trainers Association (as in thoroughbred horses) and former mayor of Hurstville, has won Labor preselection for the southern Sydney seat of Barton, to be vacated at the election by Robert McClelland. Much more on that in the next episode of Seat of the Week.

• Barnaby Joyce faces opposition at the April 13 Nationals preselection for New England in the shape of David Gregory, owner of an agricultural software business in Tamworth. Another mooted nominee, National Farmers Federation president Jock Laurie, is instead seeking preselection for the by-election to replace Richard Torbay in his Armidale-based state seat of Northern Tablelands.

• Tony Crook, who won the southern regional WA seat of O’Connor for the Nationals from Liberal veteran Wilson Tuckey in 2010, has announced he will not seek another term. The seat was already looming as a spirited three-cornered contest to match the several which had unfolded at the state election (including in the corresponding local seats of Kalgoorlie and Eyre), with the Liberals running hard and early behind their candidate, Katanning farmer Rick Wilson.

Jason Tin of the Courier-Mail reports Chris Trevor will again be Labor’s candidate for the central Queensland seat of Flynn, having won the seat when it was created in 2007 before joining the Queensland Labor casualty list in 2010. Nicole Hodgson, a teacher, and Leanne Donaldson, a former public servant in child protection, were reportedly set to take on the thankless tasks of Hinkler and Fadden.

A package of electoral law changes made it through parliament last month in the shape of the Electoral and Referendum Amendment (Improving Electoral Administration) Act 2013, despite opposition to some measures from the Coalition and Senate cross-benchers Nick Xenophon and John Madigan:

• If a ballot box is unlawfully opened before the authorised time, as occurred at two pre-poll booths in Boothby and Flynn at the 2010 election, the act now requires that the votes be admitted to the count if it is established that “official error” was responsible. The AEC requested the law be clarified after it acted on contestable legal advice in excluding the relevant votes in Boothby and Flynn from the count, which were too few to affect the result. In its original form the bill directed that the affected votes should be excluded, but Bronwyn Bishop successfully advocated for the savings provision when it was referred to the Joint Standing Committee on Electoral Matters.

• The Australian Taxation Office has been added to the list of agencies which can provide the Australian Electoral Commission with data relevant to enrolment. As usual with matters that touch on automatic enrolment, this was opposed by the Coalition, Xenophon and Madigan, but supported by all lower house independents and the Greens.

• Pre-polling will in all circumstances begin four days after the close of nominations, giving the AEC two more days to print and disseminate material to the voting centres. The Coalition took the opportunity to move for the pre-poll period to be cut from 19 days before polling day to 12, again with the support of Xenophon and Madigan. The change also eliminates a discrepancy where the date came forward a day if there was no election for the Senate, in which case the election timetable did not have to provide an extra day for lodgement of Senate preference tickets.

• Those casting pre-poll votes will no longer have to sign declaration certificates. A change in the status of pre-poll votes from declaration to ordinary votes was implemented at the 2010 election, allowing them to be counted on election night, but voters still had to sign a certificate. The AEC advised this was unnecessary, but the measure was nonetheless opposed by the Coalition, Xenophon and Madigan.

• The cut-off for receiving postal vote applications has been moved back a day from Thursday to Wednesday, acknowledging the near certainty that voting material posted to those who apply on the Thursday will not be received in time.

• The timetable for conducting electoral redistributions has been amended to allow more time for considering objections raised in public submissions.

William Bowe — Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe

Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, is one of the most heavily trafficked forums for online discussion of Australian politics, and joined the Crikey stable in 2008.

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1,173 thoughts on “BludgerTrack: 56.0-44.0 to Coalition

  1. Diogenes

    Or official language.

  2. confessions

    [I don’t think he’s a charlatan. It looks like he flew too close to the sun.]

    The two questions I have are why you wouldn’t just run this stuff past ASADA, and why was the EFC Dr alienated so? Surely these things popped up on the radar of the board?

  3. dave

    confessions@1072

    Meanwhile the PM continues to soldier on.

    She is not getting much credit from the China breakthroughs – so far anyway.

    Maybe we might see some in the weekend media.

    LNP Fraudbanded has become that which must not be discussed/ analysed by our fearless media?

  4. poroti

    dave

    [A lot of the lighthorse horses were from NSW – the famous ‘Whalers’]
    There is a famous pic of the fleet leaving from Albany ( W.A.) for the Middle East escorted by Japanese war ships.

  5. dave

    poroti – yes they were on our side in that one – something most wouldn’t know about.

  6. Diogenes

    fess

    [The two questions I have are why you wouldn’t just run this stuff past ASADA, and why was the EFC Dr alienated so? Surely these things popped up on the radar of the board?]

    Very good questions. I gather the doc set his standards uncomfortably high for the football department and so was ignored.

    There is a HUGE question over whether the board saw the letter documenting the club docs concerns. If they saw it and didn’t do anything, some serious people could be in serious trouble.

    BTW Essendon a 5 goals down at quarter time to Freo.

    IVs to the Essendon coaches box STAT!

  7. Diogenes

    fess

    [The two questions I have are why you wouldn’t just run this stuff past ASADA, ]

    The former head of ASADA asked the same question yesterday when interviewed.

  8. Psephos

    You don’t like being proved wrong, do you, Diogenes?

  9. poroti

    Diogenes

    [
    fess

    The two questions I have are why you wouldn’t just run this stuff past ASADA,

    The former head of ASADA asked the same question yesterday when interviewed.]
    Even worse calls to ASADA about supplement’s etc have a toll free number.

  10. psyclaw

    Bemused @1067

    take it up with the one who started it

    Dog Albitey?

  11. confessions

    [She is not getting much credit from the China breakthroughs – so far anyway.]

    Her achievements are happening against a backdrop of coalition policy incompetence.

  12. psyclaw

    Diogenes @ 1069

    You seem to be very tolerant and defensive of Dank……… do you see him as a fellow vet ……. are you showing him the same professional courtesy sharks show lawyers in not eating them.

    The best that can be said for Danks is that on the face of it, he is a shifter and shaker who didn’t mind exploring the coefficient of flexibility of rules.

  13. psyclaw

    Carey Moore @ 1065

    Are you sure this is a secular country. Surely we are religious in our outlook, and to press the point, Christian, and to press it again, Catholic!

  14. psyclaw

    Carey Moore

    My hero Tony Abbott agrees with me! And I know Bemused does too……. He’s just to polite to say so, but I know what he’s really thinking. A

  15. psyclaw

    Lateline is scraping the bottom of the barrel tonight …….. Talking to Costello about a number of current issues. What a crock ……..(both of em, Costello and the ABC)

  16. Gaffhook

    Victoria
    I look at it like this

    Abbott stabbed Turnbull in the back

    Abbott invited Turnbull back to the front bench with the proviso he destroy the NBN

    Turnbull decides it’s a good opportunity to slyly sink Abbott

    Turnbull has been a busy little beaver concocting a crock of shit which Abbott thought was a serious alternative policy.

    Turnbull sold it at the launch with lots of big words Abbott couldn’t understand

    Abbott actually thought Turnbull was doing a fair dinkum good job because he didn’t understand half the technical and big words used by Turnbull and Turnbulls faux argument with the questioners.

    Abbott has seen the backlash from the public over Turnbulls crock of shit and now realises he has been done over.

    If they happen to get in they have a three tier set of inquiries/investigations, probably by Costello.

    That is when everyone will know how fraudulent the LNP is.

  17. Diogenes

    Psephos

    Im happy to leave it to our gentle readers to decide who was right, Psephos or the rest of the world.

  18. victoria

    Gaffhook

    If Turnbull has deliberately shafted Abbott, he has damaged himself in the process. Personally, i think they were being puppets for Murdoch.

  19. Diogenes

    [You seem to be very tolerant and defensive of Dank]

    I still don’t know what has gone on yet.

    If he’s injecting the crap it seems he has been injecting into people, I’m appalled and think he should be facing serious charges.

  20. Psephos

    I think our readers can see that you (a) made a wild claim, (b) were unable to substantiate it, and (c) when challenged responded with falsehoods and childish abuse. This is fairly typical behaviour for you in my observation. You’re an intelligent man but obviously not a very pleasant person.

  21. confessions

    Dio:

    As I said last night, this Essendon thing has a ways to play out, and we can’t really pre-empt the outcome, whether we like to think we can or not.

    There are questions which might seem obvious to you and I as outsiders, yet may well raise no obvious eyebrow raise to those in the know.

    Honestly, I think the best we can do on this is to wait for the official conclusion.

  22. Diogenes

    The claim was substantiated. You didn’t like it when you were proven wrong by reality, such as Jordan being defined as an “authoritarian regime”.

    When presented with evidence you were wrong, you fell back on the post-modernist rubbish that of reality being relative and you can choose whatever definition you wanted.

  23. confessions

    And while we’re waiting, Essendon are playing the Dockers, who seem to have the Bombers’ measure just after half time.

    I think I tipped the Dockers, hopefully.

  24. Psephos

    [The claim was substantiated. ]

    That’s just an outright lie.

  25. Diogenes

    Psephos

    You managed to deny reality for three years about Rudd and I’m sure you are capable of denying the reality of those thirteen dictatorships for ever as it doesn’t fit your narrow world view.

  26. frednk

    [psyclaw
    ..
    Are you sure this is a secular country. Surely we are religious in our outlook, and to press the point, Christian, and to press it again, Catholic!]

    Catholics 21% and those we have don’t seem to believe the pope is god’s right hand man. The 10 children families are a thing of the past. I don’t think you will win may arguments in Aus with “god said”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Australia

  27. Psephos

    Essendon coming back now. The pig’s brains must be kicking in.

  28. Tom the first and best

    The USA is responsible for the Ayatollahs controlling Iran. It organised the 1953 coup against an elected secular leader who was nationalising the oil, all be it at the behest of Winston Churchill. It then Backed the tyranny of the Shar for 25 years that particularly went after the secular leftists.

  29. This little black duck

    Psephos@1100

    Essendon coming back now. The pig’s brains must be kicking in.

    The Freo pig’s brains are in reverse?

  30. Roger Miller

    Is the coalitions policy to have barely coherent policies, the only point of which is to be able to say they have a policy.

  31. This little black duck

    Seems The Dweller is on. Must be a Murdoch dictum.

  32. psyclaw

    Frednk and Carey Moore and anyone else

    Dog Albitey, can i take my tongue out of my cheek yet?

    The pain is excruciating.

    Of course we’re a Catholic country. Why else would 56% of us contemplate having a crank Catholic as PM!

  33. frednk

    [psyclaw
    Posted Friday, April 12, 2013 at 10:40 pm | Permalink
    ..

    Of course we’re a Catholic country. Why else would 56% of us contemplate having a crank Catholic as PM!]

    I think to claim that all Catholics are Liberals is a bit of an insult to Catholics.

  34. Diogenes

    The pigs brain extract cerebrolysin is used in trials in degenerative neurological conditions like dementia, Parkinson’s and MS.

    How its meant to help normal human brains function is beyond me.

  35. crikey whitey

    Amazing!

    Essendon makes a massive comeback. After half time.

    I really wonder.

  36. frednk

    [ Roger Miller
    Posted Friday, April 12, 2013 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    Is the coalitions policy to have barely coherent policies, the only point of which is to be able to say they have a policy.]

    Given how well this week went it might be best if they leave it at one policy and no matter what the topic say “we have a policy” and leave it at that.

  37. The Finnigans

    [How its meant to help normal human brains function is beyond me.]

    Diog, yes, i suppose nothing can improve your brain 👿

  38. Henry

    Costello reminding everyone of what an oily character he is.
    Smarmy as ever.

  39. Henry

    Jimmy must have given them a PEP talk at half time!

  40. Henry

    What a game!!

  41. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    Freo kicked so many behinds in the last 1/4.

  42. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    Popcorn,
    It is Fiiiiiiiiinny v Dio!

  43. Thomas. Paine.

    The putrid smell of partially digested Neo-cons generates a self sustaining sense of self importance in their hangers-on. What are joyous scents to them are stenches foul to the world.

    You cant argue the truth of the sweet smell of roses with a fly that thinks cow pat aroma is a thing of joy.

  44. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    Fiiiny
    I linked your Bisons on a Bloomberg article comment, to squash a rw bug!

  45. Kinkajou

    Ahhhh freo

    snatchin defeat from the jaws of victory

  46. Diogenes

    Freo and especially Pavlich really choked in that last term.

    Great composure by Hird.

  47. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    TP 1117,
    9The putrid smell of partially digested Neo-cons generates a self sustaining sense of self importance in their hangers-on. What are joyous scents to them are stenches foul to the world.

    You cant argue the truth of the sweet smell of roses with a fly that thinks cow pat aroma is a thing of joy.]

    All is forgiven.

  48. Kinkajou

    The two 50m penalties by the maggots probably got essadon over the line….but then they had a rough week

  49. DisplayName

    psyclaw@1105

    Frednk and Carey Moore and anyone else

    Dog Albitey, can i take my tongue out of my cheek yet?

    The pain is excruciating.

    Of course we’re a Catholic country. Why else would 56% of us contemplate having a crank Catholic as PM!

    Haha, you guys broke psy.

  50. Kinkajou

    Never tip freo…they do this. I recall Melbourne being 9 goals down at half time and beating them

  51. Kinkajou

    Sorry guys I started a joke thingy and then went off to watch the footy

  52. jaundiced view

    So have the New Labor apparatchiks proven Howard was right and that the US is an inernational lifesaver yet?

    Didn’t think so. But they are trying. Labor/Liberal – one big agglomeration of toadyism.

  53. Carey Moore

    Psyclaw, catching your subsequent posts, I note you were being facetious. I apologise for taking it seriously, I am not good at catching that stuff! 🙂

  54. psyclaw

    Kinkajou

    “I don’t know that one, but if you whistle it for me I’m sure I’ll be able to play it”

  55. psyclaw

    Carey Moore

    The lord be with you my son!

    May all the blessings of Mr Pell descend upon you!

    🙂

  56. gloryconsequence

    Crean gives his own party another uppercut in tomorrow’s Fairfax spreads.

    ‘Directly attacks Gillard’s leadership and decision-making’ apparently.

    Well done Simon. Good team effort there.

    FFS

  57. Bushfire Bill

    Crean off the reservation again, and of course it’s Hartcher leading the way:

    Ousted minister Simon Crean has given a scathing assessment of Prime Minister Julia Gillard’s ability to lead the country, signalling that Labor’s leadership crisis is far from over.
    Three weeks after his failed bid to force the leadership issue, Mr Crean described Ms Gillard as having a ”tin ear” for sound political strategy and engaging in ”class warfare” by playing off interest groups, echoing federal opposition criticisms of her position on removing payments to the middle class.
    Defying the Prime Minister’s demand for government unity, Mr Crean said he would continue to campaign for a return to the Labor traditions established by former leaders Bob Hawke and Paul Keating.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/crean-reopens-labor-wounds-20130412-2hrbh.html#ixzz2QFzDaJiG

    Poor old Simon has lost it this time. He slags off Rudd and Gillard both, and suggest that he is repository of all wisdom.

    Christ, he sounds like an old crank.

    And Hartcher… well…what can one say?

  58. Henry

    Jimmy Hird has a lovely tan there at his press conference…

  59. Thomas. Paine.

    [So have the New Labor apparatchiks proven Howard was right and that the US is an inernational lifesaver yet?

    Didn’t think so. But they are trying. Labor/Liberal – one big agglomeration of toadyism.]

    Tulia Gabbott, Johlia Goward …. the smell is similar

  60. jaundiced view

    BB
    Try ro appreciate the meaning of the words. The whole lot is reflective of the split. It isn’t made up. The party is going to implode after 09/14. It’s an issue of principle, or no principle.

  61. jaundiced view

    gloryconsequence
    Crean gives his own party another uppercut in tomorrow’s Fairfax spreads.

    ‘Directly attacks Gillard’s leadership and decision-making’ apparently.

    Well done Simon. Good team effort there

    A barnacle on the arse of the parliamentary system is losing its grip, and Simon cares. Why don’t you?

  62. Gary

    Stick to policy people. PB has been good the last few days. Ignore Simon, he’s on his way out.

  63. jaundiced view

    Gary
    Yeah so much to work with. First Rudd’s NBN, then fast rail in 2050. After that:
    Refugees, Welfare, Tarkine, Barrier Reef, enviro control to the states, rooting public schools, failed mining tax, reluctant carbon action.
    yep, policy . Repeat failure.

  64. jaundiced view

    Forgot the marriage discrimination farce, and probably a few others. But yeah, concentrate on policy. That’ll get ’em.

  65. Tom the first and best

    1138

    The ALP has many policy failings, but not nearly as many as the Coalition. Hence the focus on policy is a good idea.

  66. absolutetwaddle

    In terms of urgency I think removing Crean’s head from his ass is at the top of the list, followed by summary executions of the entire NSW Right.

    Seriously though. Relevance deprivation syndrome needs to be in the DSM-5.

  67. briefly

    [1131
    Bushfire Bill

    Crean off the reservation again….

    Poor old Simon has lost it this time. He slags off Rudd and Gillard both, and suggest that he is repository of all wisdom.

    Christ, he sounds like an old crank.]

    If any proof was needed that Simon Crean has no talent for politics, his conduct in the last few weeks should suffice. He is a complete idiot.

  68. jaundiced view

    Tom
    True. We don’t even know what those awful drones will do. That’s why the Senate is so important given Labor’s utter failure. It is a swamp, and we are expected to pick the lesser of two evils. Not me. Senate only.

  69. jaundiced view

    briefly
    So how many ‘complete idiots’ have been leaders of your party in the past decade or so? Is that a question worth asking? What does it mean?

  70. jaundiced view

    Simon Crean has so little talent for politics that he worked his way though the party in Victoria, arrangd the factional settings, did the necessary deals, recruited new supporters, performed roles at many levels of party and government, and because of what the party saw in him, was elected to high parliamentary office, and then as party leader.

    According to the supporters of the old affiliated union hacks this now amounts to: “He is a complete idiot”.

  71. Thomas. Paine.

    There isn’t a person or position they wont vilify in order to keep on polishing Gillard ‘Labor’.

  72. Roger Miller

    Do the coalition think their policies are ok, or do they know they are crap and just don’t care? Having a crap climate change policy hasn’t slowed them down. How much can they get away with?

  73. crikey whitey

    I retract my earlier view of you. A few days ago.

    ‘The most disillusioned Labor supporter on this site’.

    Clearly, you are surely otherwise.

    An LNP supporter, without question.

  74. jaundiced view

    Roger Miller

    It has forever been thus. The government is the focus, then the opposition comes out from the wilderness a few weeks before the election with some beaut ideas.

  75. Diogenes

    I’m told that airing of opinions is a sign of a healthy party and democracy at work.

    I’m not so sure about the first bit but its very good for our society that MPs aren’t gagged.

  76. Diogenes

    Perhaps Crean wants to start a new party. 😉

  77. jaundiced view

    Diogenes
    [Perhaps Crean wants to start a new party]
    Astute that remark. It happened in the last big split in 1955. But I’m sure he and the rest of those in the party with principles in place of careers would prefer the Short/Cons give up after the election.

  78. womble

    Hey all

    Just on my way home after a couple of quiet after work drinks 🙂

    What the Fark is Crean up to, Julia should sack the old fool

  79. Diogenes

    jv

    Crean etc might be unhappy with the way the party is run but they have bugger all appeal as a new party as they would just be Labor Mark II.

  80. Diogenes

    Who’d want to vote for the Grumpy ex Labor Party?

  81. briefly

    Crean fancies himself as a leader. The truth is he couldn’t lead a trip to the local shops. He simply has delusions of relevance, now as in the past.

  82. spur212

    You didn’t really think this Labor leadership issue was over because Gillard and Swan said so did you?

    If you did, I suggest you look a bit closer at the polls. A 32-35% primary vote going into an election is simply unacceptable.

    40% primary vote is the minimum required for victory. 38% is the structural base vote. Anything below that is a disaster, not just in terms of the next election but for the party generally. That’s before you get into what’s going on state by state.

  83. crikey whitey

    Hello Womble

    Be careful, especially if you are riding a bike

  84. grey

    Briefly, My view of this is that Crean took a hit for the team, He stood up and said bite me, if they had any teeth.
    I think Gillard had to put Rudd away, Crean put his hand up.
    You only have to look at Simon Crean to see he admires her.
    I could be wrong.

  85. briefly

    grey @ 1158, Simon The Bold thought he had a deal with Rudd. In return for his “support”, Crean would be rewarded with Deputy Leader and Treasurer. Rudd wasn’t going for that, but Crean thought he could pull it off on the day. He still fancies his chances as the Third Guy – the candidate who is anyone but Rudd or Gillard.

    He is mistaken. He has completely discredited himself in the eyes of both Gillard and Rudd. No-one would vote for Crean as Library Monitor, let alone leader.

  86. grey

    Well there many in the ALP who would not view Crean as a Labor rat.
    I am one of them.
    This was planned and instigated.
    She won, Rudd lost. End of story.

  87. daretotread

    Calling people Labor rats is stupidity plus.

    Crean is bitter – to be expected.

    The important thing is to consider the underlying reason for his comments

  88. grey

    Calling people Labor rats is stupidity plus.

    Crean is bitter – to be expected.

    The important thing is to consider the underlying reason for his comments

    Well maybe it was to smoke out the Rudd dickheads.
    It certainly worked. And this issue is over. Anyone thinks otherwise is delusional.

  89. daretotread

    Grey
    If as you suggest Crean acted to smoke Rudd out – which I once believed, why is he still carrying on.

    Was he left out to dry by Gillard after taking the fall? There is clearly more to the story than just smoking Rudd out

  90. grey

    No, Idon’t think there is. In 5 years we will know for sure, But DDT it’s all about the leader. Don’t you see?

  91. CTar1

    briefly/Dave

    Dan and horse made it as far as the second well at Beersheba.

    Neither moved on after the decision was made to have a cigarette and let the horse have a drink.

    Dan’s buried just outside town.

    (Briefly – Of course no offence taken!)

  92. Bushfire Bill

    Smarmy SMH editorial: #Fraudband a joke. Labors NBN a disaster if built by Labor. But wonderful if built by Coalition smh.com.au/opinion/editor…— Bushfire (@BushfireBill) April 12, 2013

  93. CTar1

    Dave/briefly

    Dan was a Victorian.

    He enlisted at the point the Palestine thing was being planed.

    The Brits had the enlistment people here and in NZ specifically looking for people from country areas who didn’t have street addresses ie the ones who could ride a horse.

    It should have increased the odds of him surviving but unlucky, I guess.

    (Sorry for the lateness of my replies but week nights are work time for me to keep office hours in GMT)

  94. Oakeshott Country

    Testing

  95. Luckydave

    Last! Just kidding William 🙂

  96. Steve Clements

    Briefly @ 1141:

    Yep, Simon’s lost it big time. My father, a rusted-on lefty from way back, and a supporter of Crean Snr, and Jr, has little respect left for Simon.

    Ironic that Simon is of the view that the PM has a “tin ear’, when both he and Kevin “climate change is greatest moral issue of our time” Rudd both totally misread their caucus mates’ views.

  97. Steve Clements

    Diog:

    Crean: In that case, his party theme song would be “It’s My Party (and I’ll cry if I want to”)

    Sing along now …

  98. Gorgeous Dunny

    aundiced view
    Posted Saturday, April 13, 2013 at 12:51 am | Permalink

    Simon Crean has so little talent for politics that he worked his way though the party in Victoria, arrangd the factional settings, did the necessary deals, recruited new supporters, performed roles at many levels of party and government, and because of what the party saw in him, was elected to high parliamentary office, and then as party leader.

    According to the supporters of the old affiliated union hacks this now amounts to: “He is a complete idiot”.

    Bit of rewriting history there, Jaundiced? No doubt to validate your theory thst everything Labor currently does is bad. Crean got his degree on merit, but just about everything else fell into his lap.

    Being the son old Frank helped a bit to start and then going under the wing of Landeryou at the Storeman and Packers Union also helped advancement. Then up the ACTU ladder via Hawke and Kelty. By the time he made a bid for parliament, he was marked as a rising star and went straight onto the front bench.

    The only time he really got close to the rank and file is when the factional bosses wanted to roll him and Beasley refused to help. He did then stage a successful rearguard action through the electoral college votes and held off the attack. Other than that, he’s had a cosy run. See Latham’s AFR piece on the hereditary peers in Labor and their sense of entitlement.

    And you claim no progress. Removing them from key areas of power has to be some progress.