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Seat of the week: Dobell

The central coast New South Wales seat of Dobell has mostly been in Labor's hands since its creation in 1984, but the travails of sitting member Craig Thomson have presumably raised the bar on their chances of retaining it again this time.

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Held by troubled Labor-turned-independent MP Craig Thomson, Dobell covers the urban areas around Tuggerah Lake just beyond the northern coastal reaches of Sydney, including the coastal retirement haven of The Entrance, lower income Wyong on the interior side, the tourist area from Bateau Bay south through Wamberal to Terrigal, the demographically unremarkable northern Gosford suburbs of Lisarow and Wyoming, and state forest further inland. Terrigal and its immediate surrounds are strong for the Liberals, forming the basis of a fairly safe seat at state level, while the Gosford area and the electorate’s central and northern regions have traditionally been finely balanced.

Dobell was created with the enlargement of parliament in 1984 and held from then until 2001 by Michael Lee, who served in cabinet through the final term of the Keating government. Lee survived a 6.7% swing amid Labor’s 1996 election defeat to hold on by 117 votes, but a 1.8% redistribution shift in favour of the Liberals would prove decisive at the 2001 election, when Liberal candidate Ken Ticehurst picked up a 1.9% swing to prevail by 560 votes. Ticehurst substantially consolidated his hold with a 5.5% swing at the 2004 election, but even this proved insufficient to stave off an 8.7% swing to Labor in 2007.

The seat has since been held by Thomson, who had previously been national secretary of the Health Services Union. The first intimation of the trouble that awaited Thomson came with allegations his union credit card had been used to misappropriate around $100,000 for purposes including payment to a Sydney brothel, which he claimed had been fabricated amid a backdrop of internal warfare within the union’s Victorian branch. After surviving a preselection challenge by local union official David Mehan, Thomson became one of only four New South Wales Labor MPs to pick up a swing at the 2010 election, his margin increasing from 3.9% to 5.1%. However, his political career began to unravel the following June after he withdrew a defamation against The Age over its reporting of the credit card allegations. A lengthy Fair Work Australia investigation into the union ended with civil proceedings being launched against Thomson in October 2012, with fraud and theft charges following in early 2013.

Thomson’s membership of the ALP was suspended in April 2012, and in May he announced he had resigned from the party to stand as an independent. After delaying preselection proceedings until this time, Labor finally endorsed Trevor Drake, a former deputy mayor of Gosford who had been a Liberal Party member between 2004 and 2008. Drake emerged as the only candidate when nominations closed, with earlier named contenders having included Wyong Hospital executive Emma McBride (whose father Grant McBride is a former state member for The Entrance), former state Wyong MP David Harris, Wyong Shire councillor Lisa Matthews and the aforementioned candidate from 2010, David Mehan.

An initial Liberal Party preselection in December 2011 was won by Gary Whitaker, former Hornsby Shire councillor and managing director of a local educational services company. Whitaker prevailed over WorkCover public servant Karen McNamara, in what was reported as a defeat for the Right faction forces associated with state upper house MP David Clarke and the locally powerful member for Terrigal, Chris Hartcher. However, Whitaker soon faced trouble over allegations he had lived for several years without council permission in an “ensuite shed” on his Wyong Creek property while awaiting approval to build a house there. The following April, the party’s state executive voted to dump Whitaker as candidate and install McNamara in his place.

William Bowe — Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe

Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, is one of the most heavily trafficked forums for online discussion of Australian politics, and joined the Crikey stable in 2008.

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2,142 thoughts on “Seat of the week: Dobell

  1. CTar1

    This one, I think, has to be counted as a loss to Labor.

  2. zoidlord

    From other thread:

    Crikey/1220

    Not so sure as counted as a loss, It will get a few days air-time.

  3. mari

    Hi CTAR1 how are you , if you are still up. Greetings from Iceland

    CRIKEY WHITEY are you around?

  4. CTar1

    mari – Spa’ing or freezing?

    I’m watching tennis.

  5. mari

    Freezing a the moment, but in hotel and going down for drinks soon to thaw out. Was out walking on the big glacier 33 km long 3 km wide, saw the geysers blow the big waterfalls and through the rivers in the 4 wheel jeep,how about that for excitement. Glad not out their today
    Sunday g to The Blue Lagoon for spas etc going to come out 20 yeas younger????

  6. Diogenes

    Unforgivable oversight be Our Fearless Leader by not including Bob Ellis’ polling showing an easy Labor win in Dobell 👿

  7. Simon Baker

    BK – J Maley’s article a bit of stereotype, Abbott has an MA from Oxford and Rudd is a frequent visitor to the parliamentary gym
    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/rudd-team-of-backers-grows-in-strength/story-e6freooo-1226406522229

  8. alias

    It’s a fair point you make Simon Baker and indeed Maley acknowledges Abbott’s
    intellect in the piece.

    But this is all about public perceptions and it is here that Rudd is running circles
    around Abbott. In that pithy couple of sentences Rudd has captured the public
    image of both himself and Abbott perfectly and turned it to his own advantage.

    Abbott may be a Rhodes scholar and a thinker but he has none of Rudd’s deep
    political intelligence. Not in the same league. His game plan is slogans for bogans
    and carping negativity.

    I would go so far as to say Rudd is the Bill Clinton of Australian politics for his
    uncanny ability to cut through and to read the politics better than anyone on
    the other side.

  9. alias

    I would add to that final sentence “whatever Rudd’s character flaws”.

  10. daretotread

    Alias

    Rudd has more gut political instinct than most in Labor.

    Gillard’s team had none at all – which is reflected here also by some of the sillier bits of advice given to Rudd over pink batts.

    And of course why Abbot and team ran rings around Gillard

  11. daretotread

    I thought the Maley article showed she is a little out of touch with the young.

    She harked back to Revenge of the Nerds movie, but failed to notice the cult status if Big Bang Theory” which is all about brilliant nerds with poor social skills.

  12. daretotread

    Indeed when you come to think of it MOST popular culture these days gives Nerds a big role.

    Think Lisa Simpson,

  13. AussieAchmed

    Announcing the scheme in Sydney, Opposition Leader Tony Abbott said the green army would be ”one of the signature programs of an incoming Coalition government” and would tackle issues such as degraded land and polluted waterways. Under the program, an ”army” of young workers would each be paid up to $16.03 an hour for six months’ work on projects such as cleaning riverbanks and creek beds, revegetating sand dunes and working on conservation projects

    Mr Abbott said climate change was important but Australia had ”very big environmental challenges much nearer to home”.

    According to Abbott climate change isn’t close to Australia??

  14. AussieAchmed

    Big Bang Theory – great show

  15. daretotread

    Abbott will spend more money fitting out the kids in safety vests, OHS training etc or it will make pink batts look like a cup of coffee.

    Even WITH training weed clearing can be dangerous. I KNOW as I do it. And with a bunch of kids say 17 or so Ha!! Ha!!!

  16. OzPol Tragic

    Good morning, Bludgers.

    Finally, a journo calls out Abbott – The Guardian’s Kimberley Ramplin
    Tony Abbott, you have plenty of reasons to debate Kevin Rudd. Here are some

    [Tony Abbott has been on a monumental sulk since September 2010. He has become Mr Rabbit, forever looking for a bolthole.

    His press conferences end abruptly, without fielding questions from the assembled media. He refuses to appear on Q&A. And then there’s the barely concealed taunt from Leigh Sales, fresh from grilling Rudd, that the opposition leader had been invited to join the program “to discuss his policies and plans”. “Hopefully he’ll be available”, Sales said. Oh, Tony. How we laughed, knowing you wouldn’t be joining because you always say no.

    But the change in ALP leadership has now shifted the conversation, and Abbott needs to be part of it, not snarking from the sidelines. It’s time for “Dr No” to say “yes”.]

  17. Simon Baker

    Alias – I would agree with that, Rudd at his best is the equivalent of Tony Blair and Bill Clinton, a one in a generation centre-left leader who knows how to win the middle ground and outwit his opponents.

  18. Simon Baker

    Alias – I would agree with that, Rudd at his best is the equivalent of Tony Blair and Bill Clinton, a one in a generation centre-left leader who knows how to win the middle ground and outwit his opponents.

  19. Simon Baker

    Alias – I would agree with that, Rudd at his best is the equivalent of Tony Blair and Bill Clinton, a one in a generation centre-left leader who knows how to win the middle ground and outwit his opponents.

  20. OzPol Tragic

    Also from The G Julie Collins hits back after Liberals mock her speech in campaign video

    [The federal minister for housing and homelessness, Julie Collins, has accused the Liberal party of “resorting to negative personal attacks” after they released a campaign video lampooning her.

    The video, uploaded to YouTube, shows a short moment from a press conference in 2010 when Collins was left stumbling for words and adds the tagline: “Labor’s newest minister talks tax.” …

    She said that the video was designed to make her performance at the press conference look markedly worse.

    …”It was a long interview of three to four minutes. They’ve taken a short space, they’ve spliced it, and it really is just showing the Liberal party has no policies, nothing positive to talk about. All they want to do is attack people and put up negative ads,” she said.

    At a press conference earlier on Friday, Collins responded to questions about comments Joe Hockey had made on breakfast television, where he stated that the newly appointed cabinet minister was not up to the job.

    “That’s just ridiculous,” she said. “The Liberal party are just resorting to negative personal attacks because they have nothing positive to say about Tasmania, or about Australia, and they’re just resorting to these types of attacks.”]

  21. my say

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/indonesia-takes-aim-at-abbott-plan-20130705-2phhb.html
    Indonesia’s President has delivered a sharp diplomatic rebuke to Tony Abbott’s signature ”turn back the boats” policy, signing a communique warning against ”unilateral” actions that could lead to ”operational and other difficulties” between nations.

    The communique, signed by Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono and Prime Minister Kevin Rudd after a meeting yesterday, reinforces both countries’ emphasis on regional solutions to the people smuggling problem.

    ”They stressed the importance of avoiding unilateral actions which might jeopardise such a comprehensive regional approach and

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/indonesia-takes-aim-at-abbott-plan-20130705-2phhb.html#ixzz2YDEIaKKC

    readmore
    ============================================================

    can a poster remind us what j bishop had to say about her talks, with indonisia
    =============================================================

  22. mari

    BOERWAR
    Yourquestion to me re Iceland and Climate Change the glacier I as walking on ,the biggest in Iceland is holding it’s own at the moment according to our guide but there are other small things happening,she firmly believes in Climate Change and can’t understand anyone who doesn’t

  23. confessions

    Morning all. Things get bad for Rupe:

    [Phone hacking victims say a recording of Rupert Murdoch belittling a British police inquiry into his journalists shows the News Corp boss misled a parliamentary inquiry.

    The secret recording, made as Mr Murdoch privately addressed staff at his Sun tabloid in March, has been broadcast on British television.

    It reveals Mr Murdoch making comments in sharp contrast to the profuse public apologies he made in the wake of the hacking scandal.

    He suggests the police are incompetent and the inquiry has been blown out of all proportion.

    “Why are the police behaving in this way? It’s the biggest inquiry ever, over next to nothing,” he said.]
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-06/murdoch-belittles-incompetent-police-in-secret-recording/4803380

    Just astonishing that he doesn’t seem to get what it’s all about!

  24. confessions

    OPT:

    I’m assuming the Ramplin who wrote that article is the same person I follow on twitter. This is a telling part:

    [Rudd has, in general, credited his successor / predecessor with the policies she slogged her guts out to put in place, but he wasn’t around the budget table. He didn’t negotiate and navigate the legislation through parliament. The prime minister wants to debate policy, but his party’s policies, budget spending priorities and cuts are largely not of his making. What’s he going to talk about? The GFC? Yawn. Next. China. Resources boom over. OK … so what are you going to do, Kevin? “Well, Penny and I had a good chinwag with some business folk”?

    Remember, “consultative Kevin” has promised not to announce policy without going through the Cabinet process. Abbott could have Rudd on a rotisserie with a good performance next week, highlighting the talkfests and hyperactivity of his first prime ministership on one end, the unpopular decisions and missteps of Julia Gillard at the other, leaving Rudd to talk up the one constant of both his and Gillard’s prime ministerships: Wayne Swan.]

    It’s a good point.

  25. Tricot

    And in the West this morning…….not one reference to pink batts – that I could find.

    I admit I was wrong.

    I thought it would take until Monday to disappear as an issue.

    Good references to Alannah though.

    In fact, it was only old Coke Bottles who had the cautionary tale of “the past catching up” for Rudd to worry about.

    The ferals in the letters-to-the-editor are still being feral by the worry is now to “warn” everyone about Rudd.

    Suddenly the leopard is getting a run for its money as an reference point. These people do not do irony.

  26. alias

    Simon Baker

    Agree entirely with bringing in Blair. Interesting isn’t it, the features they share in common – professed deep religious faith, left of centre politics, flawed personalities(Monica, and in Blair’s case, if we believe the scuttlebutt Wendi).

  27. my say

    oz poll sent my member an email last night, to tell her how much we appreciate her, if only I could show her newsletter of her lobbied achievements for Tasmania, and our electorate I would say most would be on the web,
    I hand out how to vote for Julie the electorate goes as far as dover and up and over the eastern shore Kingston ect,
    last election she bought all of us sandwiches and coffee I….. enquired to her secretary as to where they whereof to next

    to every booth she said .’ the car is packed with sandwiches and we get coffee locally’.

    WOULD JOE HOCKEY do that for his people at booths, that particular booth was out of the city I did not see one liberal official visit their person

    later in the day I went to another both, where I did see a few liberals, but not one offering sustenance of any kind,

    SPOT THE DIFFERENCE

    ITS inbred in labor people to be kind,

    the other lot lets u eat cake on that day I don’t think they even bought cake.

  28. OzPol Tragic

    More bad news for Rupert Murdoch

    a href=”http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/jul/05/rupert-murdoch-secret-tape”>Scotland Yard seeks Rupert Murdoch secret tape In tape, Murdoch is heard admitting to Sun journalists that payments to public officials were part of ‘culture of Fleet Street

    [Scotland Yard detectives were on Friday attempting to track down a secret recording of Rupert Murdoch admitting to Sun journalists that payments to public officials were part of “the culture of Fleet Street”.

    A police officer connected to the Operation Elveden investigation into illicit payments from journalists has made a formal request to Exaro News, the investigations website that broke the story, to hand over the undercover tape…

    The development is the clearest indication yet that police in London are ready to examine Murdoch’s private disclosures since the tapes emerged on Wednesday night. Murdoch is recorded saying the culture of paying police officers for stories “existed at every newspaper in Fleet Street. Long since forgotten. But absolutely.”]

  29. CTar1

    Tones Masters degree:

    [Please note the Oxford MA is about reaching a new status within the University and not an upgrade of your BA or an additional qualification. It therefore has no subject or class. We do not issue Degree Confirmation letters or ECTS statements as proof of your MA]

    http://www.new.ox.ac.uk/current-members/academic-administration/graduation/oxford-master-arts

    ‘No study required’.

    Talc managed an ordinary BCL while on his Rhodes scholarship (did take him 2 years) while Tones got an MA for whacking people.

  30. alias

    DTT

    Very interesting your insights into the nerd factor in politics and the wider culture. I’m out of touch with those shows you mention. Will ask my kids about it.

  31. izatso?

    Good Point ?
    It’s a Great flamin’ point !
    It should completely stf up all the ‘Dream On, I’m For Ruddy, you don’t know nothing’ instant gratification idiots in their mutual mutant misrepresentation-festation.
    …. Completely.

  32. confessions

    [A transport planning expert has warned the Barnett Government against private sector involvement in its rail plans in a further blow to its public transport strategy.

    After Tony Abbott’s confirmation that a Federal coalition government would not help pay for the MAX light rail and airport rail link projects, Premier Colin Barnett and Treasurer Troy Buswell both signalled an expectation of private investment.

    Melbourne University lecturer in transport planning John Stone said yesterday public-private partnerships needed caution.

    Dr Stone told ABC Radio the shift to private sector transport operators in Melbourne had led to higher fares.

    He said private operators needed “cast-iron guarantees” on returns for investment.

    “It means that any problem that comes up in the projects ends up coming back on the public purse,” he said.

    “So, it’s much more important that we try to find a way of the public keeping control of these projects.”

    Dr Stone described Mr Abbott’s comments that he favoured roads over rail as “looking back to the 50s”.]
    http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/17887935/keep-private-sector-out-of-rail-expert/

    At last, some discussion about policy!

    And I was sure that Abbott had said a coalition govt would fund a rail line in Sydney. Has he backflipped on this pledge?

  33. my say

    looks like a gamble, but it’s not. Rudd loses nothing if Abbott is a no show because he’s not the opposition leader. He’s PM. He won’t talk to an empty lectern (MEMO TO ACTING PM ALBO: DO NOT LET RUDD TALK TO AN EMPTY LECTERN); he’ll give a speech and take the merciless piss, the journos will laugh,
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/05/tony-abbott-debate-kevin-rudd
    =========================================================
    who was saying last evening this would quietly be forgotten

  34. poroti

    CTar1

    Wow that really puts a whole new light on Tone’s MA.

  35. Tom Hawkins

    [It’s a good point.]

    It’s a ridiculous point actually.

    [Abbott could have Rudd on a rotisserie with a good performance next week …. ]

    As if Abbott could have a good performance. He is a lumbering puncher telegraphing his every move. Rudd is fleet footed and can dance around him throwing punches at will.

    Rudd’s bigger challenge is himself.

  36. confessions

    [‘No study required’.]

    That fits with the stuff said about Abbott by those who knew him back then: that he had everything gifted to him and never really had to work for anything.

    All aligns neatly when you look at him today.

  37. izatso?

    good point, Tom.

  38. Tricot

    Still a Grand Final between Rudd and Abbott to come.

    Date: TBC

    Some comedian on the other thread believed Abbott “runs circles around Rudd”.

    The boot is on the other foot of course – hence Abbott rolling himself up into the smallest foetal ball he can to avoid any kind of debate – a debate in the areas that are supposedly winners for him.

    May have been a boxer, but clearly with a glass jaw

  39. CTar1

    poroti – It’s usually a freeby for Oxbridge bachelor degree holders who hang around as tutors.

    The rules were bent a bit so Tones got something to take home.

    (Talc managed a BCL in 2 years – I know a woman who did it in 1 year with honours!)

  40. confessions

    [He is a lumbering puncher telegraphing his every move. ]

    And who uses simple slogans which are lapped up by our fawning media.

    At the end of the day, Labor has to defend years of instability and perceived chaos. Ramplin is right: the LOTO should be all over the debate request.

  41. Tricot

    The problem for the Libs is that by harking back to what Rudd did runs the risk for them of being confirmed, in the minds of the public, of offering nothing for the future.

    People may chose to look back that bit further and remember why it was they elected Rudd in the first place – that is to get rid of the spent Liberal government and Howard.

    What is it that the public do not already know about Rudd that they have learnt extra in the last week, month, or year? Nothing.

    He is still a long way ahead of Abbott – regardless.

    Whether he can actually win depends on whether a known devil or unknown devil is punted upon by the electorate.

    Said electorate are having a think about it at the moment.

    Get back to you on election day.

  42. CTar1

    Tom Hawkins

    [Rudd’s bigger challenge is himself.]

    Yes – and as I mentioned last night he doesn’t look well.

  43. guytaur

    Good Morning

    @sortius: Confirmed: Canada 2011 polls fraudulent http://t.co/kkGFEx9xHQ conservatives rigged the 2011 election in Canada, what will they no here?

  44. Simon Baker

    Alias The skill which also marks all three leaders is that they realised that voters in their respective nations accepted the basic elements of free market economics practised by Howard, Thatcher and Reagan, but they also wanted more compassion than they offered and more emphasis on effectively run services. Indeed, that is the ground on which elections in future will be won, and indeed both David Cameron and even George W Bush were only elected promising ‘compassionate conservatism.’ Abbott most certainly is not a ‘compassionate conservative’ which is why the polls have turned against him now Rudd has returned. Voters want the hard headed nature of conservatives combined with the compassion of the left!

  45. dave

    [ Just astonishing that he doesn’t seem to get what it’s all about! ]

    Thats the best bit.

    Enjoy it all while we can.

    The tide is going out on him again and he fails to see it.

  46. poroti

    CTar1

    [ a freeby for Oxbridge bachelor degree holders who hang around as tutors.]
    A good quid pro quo.

  47. zoomster

    For the lols —

    http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/1620894/joyce-defends-strong-sophie/?cs=11

    [QUEENSLAND senator Barnaby Joyce has come out in defence of Sophie Mirabella, calling her a “strong character”.]

    [The Nationals member contacted media unprompted yesterday ..]

    Gee, strange how that happens. Almost every profile I’ve seen on Coalition MPs talk about how their colleagues contacted the author ‘unprompted’.

  48. AussieAchmed

    Abbott Hockey and Lib supporters keep saying the economy is in ruins..whats wrong with our economy?

    3 x Triple A rating
    Low unemployment
    Low inflation
    Low debt to GDP ratio
    Low interest rates
    Increasing productivity
    Continual growth

    Please point out the down side

  49. my say

    he looks very well to me
    what on earth gives u that idea

    ==========================================================
    why please?

  50. guytaur

    ABC Breakfast giving good coverage to Rudd Indonesia visit.

    Points out problem for Opposition with it being an SBY proposal.

  51. CTar1

    poroti/’fess

    The Oxbridge MA is an acknowledgement that you wore a robe and dined and that’s about all.

  52. confessions

    [Peter van Onselen ‏@vanOnselenP 6m
    Disgusting. The ridicule that Howard faced wasn’t much better though. I remember from researching for his biography. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsECK-gRCGc … ]

    Sorry, PvO, but Howard never faced anywhere near the vitriol, most of it in the mainstream media as Gillard did.

  53. Meguire Bob

    looks to be over for the newsltd/abbott coalition

  54. KEVIN-ONE-SEVEN

    Simon Baker – nothing makes me more tired than reading that Abbott must have a brain because he got an MA from Oxford. I thought David Marr made it pretty clear that Abbott got his Rhodes scholarship through contacts. Certainly, nobody has EVER suggested that he got it as a result of academic achievement in Australia. Where is his University Medal; were is it said he even got a first at Sydney Uni? If he’d got either, it would have been trumpeted from the hills. Where is it suggested that he got a good MA at Oxford (believe me, once you get to Oxford, everybody gets a degree, it’s the honours ranking that counts).
    The idea that Tony Abbott could actually sit down and learn Mandarin (like Rudd) is beyond laughable. There is a very good reason why Abbott sounds like a fool on TV (even when doing his wooden soundbites).

  55. CTar1

    Tennis: Djokovic -v- Murray?

    Djokovic more likely but the reaction to Murray winning and then flashing a Bratach na h-Alba rather than a Union Jack …

  56. KEVIN-ONE-SEVEN

    In other words, if someone looks like a dope, and talks like a dope and acts like a dope, you can be pretty sure that …

  57. frednk

    [Confessions
    Posted Saturday, July 6, 2013 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    It doesn’t warrant repeating

    It’s a good point.]

    So now we have confession’s to replace pain.

    You labor types are crazy.

  58. my say

    don’t put me that category
    please

    with confessions,

  59. Sean Tisme

    Who is paying Craig Thomsons legal bills?

  60. Meguire Bob

    Sean Tisme

    Who is paying Tony Abbotts

  61. confessions

    frednk:

    In a perfect world we’d all be unthinking drones incapable of independent thought.

  62. frednk

    As three word slogans go that one is pretty dam good.

    [alias
    Posted Saturday, July 6, 2013 at 7:34 am | Permalink

    slogans for bogans
    ]

  63. Meguire Bob

    Sean tisme like the other coalition supporters cant wait to vote for labor, so they can get the nbn and the other great legislation which labor brought in

  64. AussieAchmed

    Sean Tisme

    Posted Saturday, July 6, 2013 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    Who is paying Craig Thomsons legal bills?

    who is paying Ashby’s??

  65. frednk

    [confessions
    Posted Saturday, July 6, 2013 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    frednk:

    In a perfect world we’d all be unthinking drones incapable of independent thought.]

    You missed the point confession, Pain went on and on and on and on and on…………….. about Gillard.

    Confession is going on and on and ……………..

  66. frednk

    [ Sean Tisme
    Posted Saturday, July 6, 2013 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    Who is paying Craig Thomsons legal bills?]

    What is going to happen when the whole thing is thrown out of court, which is looking very likely.

    Hopefully we will see a judge award costs to the guilty party which looks as if it may not be Thomson.

  67. my say

    https://twitter.com/Nette8Two/status/351175742266175488/photo/1

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    as I ve said before why cannot this site modernise and allow pictures to be seen.. why is that?

  68. confessions

    frednk:

    I have no idea what you’re talking about.

  69. Simon Baker

    Kevin07 – I did not say that Abbott was Wittgenstein, just that he was not a jock stereotype, nor for that matter is Rudd a nerd stereotype either

  70. my say

    in a world where we are trying very hard, well most of us any way to keep the libs out, I would of thought
    thinking alike for this short term would be prudent

    discussing policy and other positive themes.

  71. Socrates

    Morning all. The coverage of Rudd’s trip to Indonesia looks pretty good. Coming up with a regional solution, and exposing the fact that the coalition does not have one, is both good politics and more humane than dumping women and children on Manus Island. Surprisingly reasonable behaviour for a known sociopath but I digress. Anyway, if Rudd can disarm this issue, and Tony Burke manages it competently on a day to day basis, it really takes away a major coalition line of attack.

  72. Meguire Bob

    my say
    Posted Saturday, July 6, 2013 at 9:37 am | PERMALINK
    https://twitter.com/Nette8Two/status/351175742266175488/photo/1

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    as I ve said before why cannot this site modernise and allow pictures to be seen.. why is that?

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    my say

    The coalition and their supporters have seen the hewson effect starting

    Abbott looks to be gone

  73. my say

    sean there was an article here this past week about

    abbotts office expenses being very much higher than the

    pm of the day JG .guess what mate u and I paid for abbotts expenses with our taxes, why don’t u moan to him about that how can an opp leader spend more on expenses than a pm.

    this one is 2011

    I other posters may like to find this years.

    http://www.phonytonyabbott.com/blog/tony-abbott-and-his-extravagant-expenses

    sadly the picture its self has tobe clicked on and read
    am hoping crickey may up date soon,

    so stop talking about expenses sean

  74. Yesiree Bob

    Whats the RAbbott gunna do now that SBY will stop the Boats.

    Tony Abbott is a useless piece of fluff.

  75. poroti

    CTar1 @55

    And all sorts of useful things like passing port to the left and not knowing the Bishop of Norwich.

  76. my say

    mb well rummell disappeared and the cane toad with him

    so I would say that is so,

    funny how labor people hang around when things don’t look good but the others run away when shoe on other foot

    like their leader ,,, I suppose

  77. CTar1

    poroti – The flash of a glass of wine over one of water.

  78. lizzie

    my say

    William has given the reason why there are no pics. Why is it so difficult for you to click on a link?

  79. guytaur

    @sortius: NBNco hits target. But who cares? http://t.co/jASwGqUpsF another fine piece from Nick Ross #NBN

  80. WeWantPaul

    [Who is paying Craig Thomsons legal bills?]

    There shouldn’t be any, the disgusting politicisation of the NSW and Vic police forces and legal system by liberals for liberals is the most disgusting thing we have ever seen in the Australian judicial system. Justice needs not only to be done but seen to be done. The political witchhunt means that justice cannot be seen to be done in this case whether he is as guilty as sin, or as innocent as an angel.

  81. Socrates

    Kevin 17

    Agree on Abbott and his lack of scholarship. It is an unfortunate fact that not all Rhodes scholars are as clever as people assume. The stated aims of the program are to pick future leaders, not future intellectuals. Abbott did not get honours on his Australian degree, and as most are unaware, if you finish a full Bachelors program at Oxford, you automatically get given a Masters a year later, simply by applying for it. Abbott has never done any post graduate study, nor did he excel at under graduate study.

    In short, Rhodes scholarships impress people, but show ambition, not genius. Much better markers of academic ability are a university medal, first class honours, or one of the purely academic scholarships like a Fullbright.

  82. political animal

    From previous thread:

    TP

    [And I can bet with a new GFC around the place the world is going to become a little more complicated… and Aust in need of a leader competent on the international scene.]

    TP obviously ignorant of JGPM’s brilliant achievements on her last China visit, outshone that pretend FA expert Rudd! Geez, already resorting to lies to prop up that treasonous little turd?

  83. AussieAchmed

    On climate change Abbott has stood by his word.

    he stated that “Climate change is crap”

    And then to prove he stands by that statement developed a crap Carbon Reduction Policy – Direct Action.

  84. AussieAchmed

    Abbott stated “there will be no new taxes under a Govt I lead”

    And true to his word he will implement a levy, not a tax increase, to pay for his Parental Leave Plan.

    When Liberals implement a levy it is not a tax by another name, that only happens when Labor introduce a levy.

    The contradiction in Abbott’s introduction of the levy is that he campaigned hard and vigorously against the levy introduced by Labor to assist Queenslanders after the floods.

    So Queenslanders remember, a levy is good to pay for Parental Leave, but not good to help you rebuild.

  85. Socrates

    The Guardian once again brings us some real news – this time about sport. Ian Chappell talks about match fixing in cricket, and says he thinks it is widespread, including strong suspicion over the third test between Australia and Pakistan in Sydney, 2010.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jul/05/ian-chappell-match-fixing-widespread

    THe other sporting story that intrigues me at present is drugs in football, notably the NRL and AFL. I don’t know enough about NRL to comment but it seems to me that from what has been already said about AFL and Essendon, codes of practice have been breached. Penalties should be imposed, if the competition is to remain credible. The Bombers are a popular club, so I suspect the league are reluctant to take action till the home and away season is almost complete for financial reasons. We are not a leader in the fight against drugs and sport, no matter how much we might claim otherwise.

    By comparison, people should look at the punishment of the Glasgow Rangers in Scottish football (relegated to the lowest grade, it will take them years to get back to first division!) for fraud, if they want to see an example of a governing body being serious. Adelaide got off very lightly on the Kurt Tippett scandal by comparison.

  86. AussieAchmed

    Abbott’s asylum seeker policy revolves around few words. “Stop the Boats” “turn the boast around” and “tow the boats back”.

    Problem he has now is that Indonesia seem to be adopting the same policy..”turn the boats around” as they are “turned around” by Abbott.

    The boats will be travelling back and forwards between the Indonesian Navy and Australian Navy as each “turns the boats back”.

  87. Sean Tisme

    [What is going to happen when the whole thing is thrown out of court, which is looking very likely.]

    You guys have been making these stupid conspiracy theorist predictions for ages now and have been wrong on every count.

    The evidence is there all you need to do is pull your head out of your proverbial.

  88. Player One

    [ ABC Breakfast giving good coverage to Rudd Indonesia visit.

    Points out problem for Opposition with it being an SBY proposal. ]

    Why?

    Bishop Junior and Morriscum will just repeat the lie that what the Indonesians have to say in public is completely different to what they tell them in private (nudge, nudge, wink, wink)

    On the other hand, as far as I’m concerned Rudd came back with nothing but a promise of yet another talk-fest. Which (as far as I can see) is all Rudd ever manages on any issue.

  89. guytaur

    Sean

    Yeah the Judgement of Justice Rares is a real PB conspiracy.

  90. alias

    Fred

    Slogans for bogans may be kind of snappy but very dangerius for
    anyone on the Labor side to even hint at using a line like this.
    Would be up there with Romney 3047 per cent remark.

    Simon B
    ver astute observations on Blair and Clinton.

  91. alias

    Fred

    Slogans for bogans may be kind of snappy but very dangerius for
    anyone on the Labor side to even hint at using a line like this.
    Would be up there with Romney 3047 per cent remark.

    Simon B
    ver astute observations on Blair and Clinton.

  92. alias

    Fred

    Slogans for bogans may be kind of snappy but very dangerius for
    anyone on the Labor side to even hint at using a line like this.
    Would be up there with Romney 3047 per cent remark.

    Simon B
    ver astute observations on Blair and Clinton.

  93. zoidlord

    @Sean/93

    Now your the one predicting the outcome.

    How about pull your own head out of your proverbial!

  94. alias

    Gremlins. Sorry about double post. And I meant 47 per cent of course.

  95. Player One

    [ On climate change Abbott has stood by his word.

    he stated that “Climate change is crap” ]

    All Abott has to do is rename his “Direct Action” policy to …

    Carbon
    Reduction
    Action
    Plan

    Perhaps Abbott is smarter than we give him credit for? … Nah!

  96. WeWantPaul

    [The evidence is there all you need to do is pull your head out of your proverbial.]

    That is the liberal party line, and that is one of the reasons the prosecution should be thrown out of court as an abuse of process. Then there should be a royal commission into the politicisation of the police forces by the Liberal Party.

  97. frednk

    To the question “Who is paying for Thomson’s legal fees, there is a fund raiser mentioned at the end of theis article.

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/jacksonville-53-thomson-in-the-melbourne-magistrates-court/

  98. guytaur

    Another US move backfires.

    “@tweetminster: RT @BBCBreaking: Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro offers US fugitive Edward Snowden asylum, following similar offer from Nicaragua”

    Whoever the bright spark was that blocked Bolivia from flying across Europe is will be sacked is my guess

  99. lefty e

    [Who is paying Craig Thomsons legal bills?]

    Yo mama.

  100. Yesiree Bob

    Sit back, relax, and enjoy the unhinging as it dawns on the Fibs that their boy Tony loses the unlosebale election.
    It will make 1993 look like a Sunday School picknic

  101. frednk

    [Sean Tisme
    Posted Saturday, July 6, 2013 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    ..

    The evidence is there all you need to do is pull your head out of your proverbial.]

    If it is thrown out of court (which is looking likely) it really doesn’t matter what you think of the evidence or where I park my head.

  102. lizzie

    GM cannot be eradicated in Tassie.
    http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/article/2013/07/06/575813_grain-and-hay.html
    [GENETICALLY modified canola plants continue to sprout in Tasmanian fields where trials finished more than 15 years ago.

    The Tasmanian Government concedes the rogue GM plants could continue to surface for decades, despite spending $250,000 a year since 2001 on eradication, The Mercury reports.

    Coal River Valley winemaker Tony Scherer fears the herbicide-resistant plants may have cross-pollinated with related weed species and escaped into the environment.

    “It’s a nightmare — you can’t contain it,” Mr Scherer said.]

    Easy solution – call in Abbott’s Green Army 😛

  103. AussieAchmed

    Sean Tisme

    Posted Saturday, July 6, 2013 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    What is going to happen when the whole thing is thrown out of court, which is looking very likely.

    You guys have been making these stupid conspiracy theorist predictions for ages now and have been wrong on every count.

    The evidence is there all you need to do is pull your head out of your proverbial.
    ———————————————————-

    it is slowly becoming less. Started out as $100’s of thousands then $150K, then went to $100k now its down to $46k…….less than what Abbott claimed in travel and accommodation allowances when on his “charity” bike rides. The only charity Abbott was supporting was Tony Abbott

  104. Sean Tisme

    AussieAchmed,

    The police get you on the stuff they have hard indisputable evidence on.

    And I wouldn’t call 170 seperate charges “nothing”

    The problem with you Labor voters is you are blinded by your ideology you can’t see what is directly in front of you. Craig Thomson can explain why his scanned drivers license was at the brothels and if he has someone that looks like a dead ringer for him what their name is. Oh yes and name names OUTSIDE of parliamentary priveledge… don’t be a gutless wonder.

  105. OzPol Tragic

    [I’m assuming the Ramplin who wrote that article is the same person I follow on twitter. This is a telling part:]

    Thanks Fess.

    What amazed me about The G article was Ramplin’s return to political journalism’s “robustness” – a norm from my childhood (when The (old red/pink-cover) Bulletin was still being read to rags from Darwin to Perth – which seemed to disappear with the 1980s; to be replaced by This is my/ my editor’s/ my MSM mogul’s personally preferred political opinion & propaganda journalism.

    I grew up when newspaper “columns” had more in common with a “robust” Parliamentary debate, or “gloves off” QT. An individual publication might be (many frequently were) of an obvious political stance; but it was balanced by other publications of the other political stance – eg reporting’s early WW I (pre-Conscription plebiscites) Print Wars (inc Cartoonist Wars) between The Sun’s Charles Bean & Keith Murdoch, and The Bulletin.

    Equally obvious is the “dumbing down” of TV political reportage & satire; from a time of thorough, investigative, but balanced (ie both sides “copped it”) and It’s all about exposing the interviewee’s stances, opinion and influences “Current Affairs” and those who hosted them, to today’s often (?usually) aggressively partisan, “Gottcha”It’s all about ME, the Interviewer, and MY badgering the interviewee into validating MY views.

    Aussies’ becoming more and more disillusioned by their MSM (shown in declining print sales & static, even falling eg some on, ABC TV audiences) at a time when internet-based technology – including language translation services foe major publications – have seen the Globalisation of both traditional MSM and non-traditional citizen journalism, unlimited by media barons, editors, and Press “group-speak”: a non-trad media which is instant, unfiltered, anarchic, addictive; in which an incident/ event can go viral internationally; not in days or weeks, but in a few hours – and without readers & writers having to pay a cent (or its equivalent) other that their IT “plan’s” costs.

    Guardian Oz writers & their articles owe no loyalty to Murdoch, Fairfax, public broadcasters AN/ ABC/ SBS, or to the owners/publishers of Oz magazines & TV channels. They are hired, published & paid by a Trust with a Charter encouraging free, fearless, truthful & literate journalism. It often publishes articles on issues Oz MSM ignore – although Fairfax sometimes published, but days later.

    And it seems to get bolder by the day.

  106. frednk

    [AussieAchmed
    Posted Saturday, July 6, 2013 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    ..
    to $46k…….less than what Abbott claimed in travel and accommodation allowances when on his “charity” bike rides. The only charity Abbott was supporting was Tony Abbott]

    The last figure I saw as $26K when the magistrate refused to move it to a higher court stating that figure as well under the half a million that can be dealt with by a magistrate’s court.

    It is seems to be pretty much down to the question “does the company pay for incidentals like “meals and monies” while you travel for company business. If the answer is no a lot of us are in serious trouble.

  107. bemused

    alias@32

    DTT

    Very interesting your insights into the nerd factor in politics and the wider culture. I’m out of touch with those shows you mention. Will ask my kids about it.

    Ask them about “The IT Crowd” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_IT_Crowd
    It is hilarious.

  108. zoidlord

    @Sean/110

    I noticed how fast you moved from Boats to Thompson.

    Is this new instructions from Coalition Party.

  109. confessions

    OPT:

    I don’t think Ramplin is a journalist, although I could be wrong.

    If so, is probably why her commentary is so insightful.

  110. AussieAchmed

    Whats happening in the Brough/Ashby conspiracy?

    All seems to have gone quiet in the media. Or is that only because Murdoch media are to chicken to report it?

  111. Yesiree Bob

    “The problem with you Labor voters is you are blinded by your ideology you can’t see what is directly in front of you”

    ROTLMAO !!!

    Irony is not your strong point, is it Seaney ?

  112. lefty e

    [Sit back, relax, and enjoy the unhinging as it dawns on the Fibs that their boy Tony loses the unlosebale election.
    It will make 1993 look like a Sunday School picknic]

    Yes, Gold. Not to mention the pre-poll unravelling. Its hard to come back to competing when youve been in cruise mode.

    I think they’re starting to choke already, looking for lazy KOs, but they’re arent any. Rudd dances like a butterfly, stings like a bee in Jakarta. I expect a few more haymakers which dont connect.

  113. frednk

    Sean Tisme
    Posted Saturday, July 6, 2013 at 10:35 am | Permalink
    [
    AussieAchmed,

    The police get you on the stuff they have hard indisputable evidence on.

    And I wouldn’t call 170 seperate charges “nothing”

    ]

    It’s not ofter you see a charge of “buying an icecream”

    As I said, if the court throws this out it really doesn’t matter if you consider “buying an icecream” to be a significant crime or not.

    The interesting point will be where costs get awarded.

  114. Yesiree Bob

    Lefty E, you sum up exactly what Oakes wrote this morning

  115. ausdavo

    Sean,

    You need to follow the story about Craig Thomsen not regurgitate stuff stated over 12 months ago by a clearly biased MSM. He’s only been charged with incidental expenses – this week considered questionable according to the magistrate!
    You’d be there cheering if a so called “witch” was drowned because you clearly know a “witch hunt” when it’s right in front of you.
    Ask your mate Abbott to justify his so-called expenses instead of sitting in judgement with your lack of up-to-date facts.

  116. lefty e

    Where’s that Yesiree?

  117. dave

    Yesiree Bob@106


    Sit back, relax, and enjoy the unhinging as it dawns on the Fibs that their boy Tony loses the unlosebale election.
    It will make 1993 look like a Sunday School picknic

    Unless there is a quick polling surge back to abbott they will both panic and really get down dirty and nasty – which may make things even worse.

    Blowtorch on the belly stuff abbott, then the calls to switch to ‘the earl’ which many libs don’t want under any circumstances.

    Next month or more of poll results will be fascinating.

    No policies and the theme of abbott running away is getting rolling.

  118. dave

    zoidlord@114


    @Sean/110

    I noticed how fast you moved from Boats to Thompson.

    Is this new instructions from Coalition Party.

    Same old truthy from Townville.

  119. AussieAchmed

    Player One

    Posted Saturday, July 6, 2013 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    On climate change Abbott has stood by his word.

    he stated that “Climate change is crap”

    All Abott has to do is rename his “Direct Action” policy to …

    Carbon
    Reduction
    Action
    Plan

    Perhaps Abbott is smarter than we give him credit for? … Nah!
    ———————————————————

    Carbon
    Reduction
    Action
    Plan

    very good…..describes the policy very well…what do you reckon Sean…..???????????

  120. shellbell

    [It’s not ofter you see a charge of “buying an icecream”]

    There is no such charge against Thomson.

  121. ausdavo

    Hey Sean come to Hervey Bay, we can have a coffee together and discuss our “expense” accounts. But watch out we might get charged by the police if the LieNP are out to get us.

  122. Sean Tisme

    [Unless there is a quick polling surge back to abbott they will both panic and really get down dirty and nasty – which may make things even worse.]

    Shut up you silly idiots, we can’t afford another 3 years of this Labor rabble!

    People will remember Rudd the Dudd very shortly!

  123. Yesiree Bob

    For all those Fibs, Like Seaney and Mick77 who think that Tony Abbott will {chortle} run rings around the PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osID-_Zi-1I

  124. zoidlord

    @Sean/131

    Unhingement is so not you!

    Move to the UK or NZ?

  125. dave

    Sean Tisme@131



    Unless there is a quick polling surge back to abbott they will both panic and really get down dirty and nasty – which may make things even worse.


    Shut up you silly idiots, we can’t afford another 3 years of this Labor rabble!

    People will remember Rudd the Dudd very shortly!

    Oooo!

    truthy doesn’t like it up him.

    Ya going to need that passport soon sunshine.

    Tories out of power for another 3 years.

  126. Yesiree Bob

    “Shut up you silly idiots, we can’t afford another 3 years of this Labor rabble!”

    HA HA HA HA Comedy gold

  127. lefty e

    [People will remember Rudd the Dudd very shortly!]

    Lets hope so. He was 52-48 up when he left office.

  128. ausdavo

    Yes Sean, We can’t afford even 6 months of the “rabble” occupying the Opposition front bench. No policies except the new C R A P (Green Policy) mentioned earlier. They constantly lie about everything and then you spew their lies out as facts.
    How come you’re not more discerning, Sean? Maybe you’ve got an MA from Oxford too?

  129. alias

    Bemused @113

    Thanks for the tip. I’ll ask them about that too,
    and I’ll look out for the show myself.

  130. CTar1

    Sean looks like beaching soon!

    The Greenies will rescue him and point him out to sea.

    😀

  131. Tom Hawkins

    [How come you’re not more discerning, Sean? Maybe you’ve got an MA from Oxford too?]

    All Truthy has is a fishing and gaming license and a tinnie which he can row as far away from these shores if Labor win. It’d be funny though if he heads north west and is turned around by the Indonesian navy and set on a course to Christmas Island

  132. frednk

    [shellbell
    Posted Saturday, July 6, 2013 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    It’s not ofter you see a charge of “buying an icecream”

    There is no such charge against Thomson.]

    Well it is was supposed to be a major scandel it is now back to $26,000, it is pretty hard to keep track of what charges came and went.

    If the charges get thrown out, it realy doesn’t matter what the trivia was. There is going to be a lot of questions to answer, and they will not be questions for Thomson (spelt with out a p).