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Aug 6, 2013

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A quick replay of yesterday’s polling:

Essential Research has two-party preferred steady at 51-49 to the Coalition, from primary votes of 38% for the Labor (down one), 43% for the Coalition (down one) and 9% for the Greens (steady). The survey finds only 44% saying they will definitely not change their mind, with 30% deeming it unlikely and 21% “quite possible”. Respondents were also asked to nominate the leader they most trusted on a range of issues, with Tony Abbott holding modest leads on economic management, controlling interests rates and national security and asylum seeker issues, and Kevin Rudd with double-digit leads on education, health, environment and industrial relations. Kevin Rudd was thought too harsh on asylum seekers by 20%, too soft by 24% and about right by 40%, compared with 21%, 20% and 31% for Tony Abbott.

Morgan has Labor down half a point on the primary vote to 38%, the Coalition up 1.5% to 43%, and the Greens up one to 9.5%. With preferences distributed as per the result at the 2010 election, the Coalition has opened up a 50.5-49.5 lead, reversing the result from last week. On the respondent-allocated preferences measure Morgan uses for its headline figure, the result if 50-50 after Labor led 52-48 in the last poll.

• BludgerTrack, which was formerly updated weekly but will now be brought up to date whenever substantial new data arrives, records no change on two-party preferred from the addition of the two new polls, although the Greens are up on the primary vote at the expense of Labor. However, there’s a fair bit of movement on the state seat projections, with Labor up one in Victoria, Western Australia and Tasmania and down one in Queensland for a net gain of two seats. That leaves two state-level projections at which one might well look askance: a finding of no gains for Labor in Queensland, against three gains for them in Western Australia. Whereas poll results in the weeks after the Rudd takeover had Labor outperforming the national result in Queensland as often as not, I now have five data points over the past fortnight all of which have them below. And while three gains in Western Australia certainly seems hard to credit (for one thing, the model is not adequately accounting for Labor losing the Alannah MacTiernan dividend from 2010 in Canning, which at present is rated a probable Labor gain), all five data points from the past fortnight show Labor improving on the 2010 result – a pretty solid result given how noisy small-sample state-level data tends to be.

• As far as I can tell, Labor and Liberal each had one television ad in business yesterday, and they read from much the same tactical script: both are positive, showcase the leader, and appear tailored to launching the parties’ rather nebulous campaign slogans. Kevin Rudd speaks to us of “a new way”, Opposition Leader style, while the actual Opposition Leader makes like Luke Skywalker and offers us “new hope”. The latter effort is a fairly obvious exercise in image softening, but what most stands out for me, having grown accustomed over the years to “face of Australia” advertising being served with a thick layer of political correctness on top (Qantas being an acknowledged leader in the field), is that all but a very small handful of the 50 or so faces in the ad are white.

UPDATE: ReachTEL has published the results of an automated phone poll of 702 respondents in Kevin Rudd’s electorate of Griffith, and it points to a 4% swing to the Liberal National Party paring his margin back to 4.5%. The primary votes from the poll are 45.6% for Kevin Rudd, 41.0% for LNP candidate Bill Glasson and 8.0% for the Greens.

William Bowe — Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe

Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, is one of the most heavily trafficked forums for online discussion of Australian politics, and joined the Crikey stable in 2008.

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1,369 thoughts on “Highlights of day one

  1. CTar1

    OPT – Dowling.

    A classic!

  2. lizzie

    This still lets Abbott off the hook.
    [“The Australian apologises to Ms Ramjan for any suggestion that she lied about those events and acknowledges that the recollection of those events was contested by all participants, who were sincere in what they recalled.”]

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/news-ltd-apologises-to-barbara-ramjan-over-tony-abbott-punch-story-20130805-2r8si.html#ixzz2b8DFGWpL

  3. BK

    Reposted from old thread.
    =========================
    And from the Land of the Free –

    Don’t you just LOVE Texas!
    http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2013/08/05/video-texas-state-troopers-caught-on-camera-probing-genitals-of-women-at-traffic-stops/
    Some cartoons on the Repugs’ 40th attempt to kill off Obamacare.
    http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2013/08/05/cartoons-of-the-day-gop-trying-to-kill-obamacare/
    The disgusting Repug Governor of Virginia is heading for a fall.
    http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2013/08/04/in-ominous-sign-for-gov-ultrasound-mcdonnell-his-former-bff-donor-is-cooperating-with-prosecutors/
    The idiots will bever give up!
    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/rep-yoho-obamacare-racist-because-white-peop
    A very good Ed Schultz interview with Democratic Senator Bernie Sanders on the minimum wage issue.
    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/sanders-slams-walmart-family-obscene-taxpa
    This week’s Gun Fail round up.
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/03/1227010/-GunFAIL-XXIX
    Hmm. THAT’S a suspension for using performance enhancing supplements!
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/05/mlb-suspensions-drugs-biogenesis_n_3707913.html
    Ed Schultz and Mike Papantonio on the demise of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.
    http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017136507
    And the winner of the “Little Shit of the Week” award is . .
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/05/justin-bieber-fight-club_n_3708074.html
    How’s this for a rain storm!
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/05/lethbridge-storm-video_n_3708279.html

  4. shellbell

    Lizzie

    He was never really on the hook.

    What actually occurred was not material – rather whether it was defamatory to suggest Ramjan was a serial liar, which it was obviously was.

  5. OzPol Tragic

    Reposted from last thread

    OzPol Tragic
    Posted Tuesday, August 6, 2013 at 6:49 am | Permalink

    Good Morning, Bludgers

    Joe Hockey refuses to commit to final budget total

    Exclusive: Shadow treasurer will not produce final forecast of deficit or surplus because Treasury projections are ‘not credible’

  6. my say

    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/mortgage-belt-leads-solar-upturn-20130804-2r7y2.html
    =======================================================surl

    surly this group would vote labor

  7. OzPol Tragic

    Reposted from last thread

    OzPol Tragic
    Posted Tuesday, August 6, 2013 at 6:57 am | Permalink

    Thanks, Gaffhook!

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/sexting-mp-peter-dowling-sent-explicit-images-to-secret-mistress/story-fnihsrf2-1226691713991

    Did I not warn you, my fellow PBers, that SEQ Libs/ LNP were sleaze personified?

    But, Keep it up, QLD LNP! You’re running a great campaign, proving why no QLDer should vote LNP!

  8. lizzie

    The accusation of “liar” is banned in the HOR and Labor Ministers seem reluctant to use it outside Parl.
    But on Lateline Cormann was very happy to accuse Penny Wong of lying, even while he was doing just that.

    No wonder Lib supporters have such twisted minds. They are led by the twistiest.

    (And I loathe the pre-programmed little Hunt, too.)

  9. lizzie

    shellbell

    I know. It’s kinda sad.

  10. OzPol Tragic

    Reposted from last thread (& lack of quotation corrected)

    OzPol Tragic
    Posted Tuesday, August 6, 2013 at 7:02 am | Permalink

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/gold-coast-hospital-sacks-neurosurgeon-dr-teresa-withers-following-doctor-revolt-over-patient-safety-fears/story-fnihsrf2-1226691621657

    Save Australia from these uncompromising vandals

    Vote for the Whitehead not the Dickhead

    So there go SEQ’s Liberal/ LNP vandals. Yet again!

    Thanks, Gaffhook!

  11. meher baba

    Just listened to Joe Hockey on AM. On the whole, he was quite effective (for those of us who can listen to politicians from both sides without filtering what one hears through one’s own bias).

    But Hockey showed that he has no credible way of responding to the question of why lower interest rates were a magnificent achievement in 2004 under Howard, but are a disaster now. Sabra Lane lined him up and landed damaging hit after damaging hit. But it was too easy for her: Like shooting at phone boxes.

    If the RBA lowers interest rates today, Labor just has to keep turning up the year on the Libs on interest rates. It will destroy Abbott’s pitch that he can take us all back to the Howard era. And, for those of us who know something about economics, it completely undermines the nonsense that we are in a budget crisis and that the solution is a massive fiscal tightening.

    2004 wasn’t that long ago, and everyone remembers Howard’s unequivocal promises and then how interest rates rose rapidly between 2004 and 2007. This is a big problem for the Libs. Labor should make them suffer for it.

  12. triton

    Morning all.

    BK, Sophie is coming up with Fran!

    Well, after a balanced front page on day 1, the H-S has reverted to type. It says Rudd splurged $700 million yesterday to buy your vote.

  13. meher baba

    Sorry, “turning up the heat”: bloody iPhones!

  14. victoria

    Morning all

    Thanks BK for the links. I am not impressed with Holden’s attitude at present.

    Hi mari if you are still about

  15. victoria

    meher baba

    My son is arranging finance for a house purchase, and was told yesterday by the rep for the lender that they are anticipating a rate cut today. If it transpires, my son is looking at a very attractive interest rate, and his repayments are looking very manageable indeed

  16. sprocket_

    Apologies for the graphic early morning quote from the Courier Mail, but QLDs L-NP is the gift which keeps on giving.

    Tony Abbott will need to comment, if only to say “it’s a state matter”…

    [A STATE MP has been exposed as a serial sexter, sending images to his secret mistress including a picture of his penis plonked in a glass of red wine.

    In addition, Ethics Committee chairman and Redlands LNP MP Peter Dowling has confirmed he accepted more than $20,000 in free upgraded flights although he was not required by parliamentary rules to declare them.

    He is also accused of taking advantage of parliamentary travel trips to meet his mistress in locations including Perth and New Zealand. The allegations are made in a letter from Mr Dowling’s former lover to Speaker Fiona Simpson.

    The Courier-Mail has seen several explicit text messages sent from Mr Dowling’s mobile phone to the woman, including a picture of his penis in a glass of red wine, a self-shot image of his crotch while wearing boxer shorts and a full frontal picture of his genitalia.

    “He wanted a Red Wine …,” Mr Dowling said in the text message sent with the image of his penis in the glass. Another image shows a grinning Mr Dowling holding the wine glass in a cheers salute.

    It is believed some of the pictures were taken in his parliamentary annex office.]

    http://m.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/sexting-mp-peter-dowling-sent-explicit-images-to-secret-mistress/story-fnihsrf2-1226691713991

  17. confessions

    Morning all.

    Damn the UK weather for robbing us of another gripping final day of a Test match!

    [A STATE MP has been exposed as a serial sexter, sending images to his secret mistress including a picture of his penis plonked in a glass of red wine.]

    I had to Google Peter Dowling as he is unknown to me, and was shocked to learn that not only isn’t he a 19yo university student, but has been a member of the Qld parliament for 4 years!

    Where on earth do they find these people?!

  18. OzPol Tragic

    [OPT – Dowling.

    A classic!]

    CTar, Gaffhook found it for us.

    SEQ LNP sure knows how to select crooks & sleazebags, and keep their peccadilloes secret until after they’ve been elected.

    I’ve lost count of Newman’s Mob’s tally of corruption & sleaze; but I’m guessing it already breaks Howard’s Mob’s all-time federal record!

    Roll on Elections 2013 (Fed) & 2015 (State).

  19. victoria

    sprocket

    Surely you jest. The fibs can do no wrong

  20. lizzie

    Tim Colebath:
    [the Coalition’s plan to cut industry support risks shutting down a $5 billion-a-year industry to save $500 million. It would dwarf the impact of the carbon tax, which Toyota estimates at $115 per vehicle, not the $400 the Coalition claims. It was a foolish pledge, and one hopes it too will be jettisoned during the campaign.]

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/budget-machismo-races-ahead-of-common-sense-20130805-2ra2u.html#ixzz2b8Lya3rZ

  21. gloryconsequence

    What is the Bludger Track seat projection and TPP? Not appearing on android

  22. confessions

    [Warnings about hundreds of farmers losing their livelihoods and communities breaking down are becoming a reality, with crops in parts of the Wheatbelt already lost because of a lack of rain.

    After a crisis meeting of about 60 farmers in Southern Cross yesterday, Yilgarn Shire president Romolo Patroni said the situation was getting worse.

    Bankers and rural accountants estimate at least 10 per cent, or more than 400 farms, in the Wheatbelt are unviable with a high concentration in the region’s east and north-east.]
    http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/wa/18374863/crunch-time-for-wheatbelt/

    The article doesn’t mention AGW at all.

  23. feeney

    How can Labor realistically be expected to win this election with another Murdoch front page onslaught today in the Telegraph, Herald Sun, and Adelaide Advertiser?

    Commentary is now being written into the headlines!!

  24. feeney

    And, oh, I forgot The Australian.

  25. lizzie

    Apologies to Colebatch. It reads as cold bath!!

  26. confessions

    glory:

    50.9 2PP and 77 seats to the coalition.

    3 others.

  27. lizzie

    feeney

    I think we can expect this onslaught throughout the campaign.

  28. OzPol Tragic

    As the morning & day’s door-stops, comments & interviews roll on, keep an eye on the Guardian article posted #7 above & see how it plays out:

    Joe Hockey refuses to commit to final budget total

    Exclusive: Shadow treasurer will not produce final forecast of deficit or surplus because Treasury projections are ‘not credible’

  29. victoria

    As per comments by William yesterday, the seat of Dobell does not appear to have an endorsed Labor candidate. Why is this so?

  30. victoria

    As per comments by William yesterday, the seat of Dobell does not appear to have an endorsed Labor candidate. Why is this so?

  31. Socrates

    Morning all. BK thanks for reposting the links.

    OPT thanks for the Qld sexting story. The misuse of taxpayer funded flights to see the mistress is actually far worse to me than the rest, which is merely crass behaviour. He was ethics committee chairman – Campbell sure can pick them.

    Is it just me or were there an unusually large number of sexist creeps elected in the LNP landslide in Qld?

  32. crikey whitey

    Morning all.

    Did anyone else hear Trioli saying this morning wtte Newspoll shows parties neck and neck. She went on to interview Adam Bandt, who said int al ‘not the feedback in my seat’

  33. victoria

    Apologies the 8.00 gremlins nave hit!

  34. meher baba

    I posted above without reading William’s article at the start of the thread: sorry William, I won’t make the mistake of doing you that discourtesy again.

    I now see that ER shows that more voters trust Abbott than Rudd to control interest rates. All the more reason that Hockey should never have chosen to muddy the waters on this issue.

    If I’d been Hockey, I’d have consistently run the line over the past couple of years of welcoming lower interest rates as being good for working families, and giving the ALP some praise for achieving that, but then expressing some concern that if they keep falling and get too low, it will be a sign that the economy has become sluggish and also a bad thing for retired people living on interest on their savings.

    Instead, it’s just been attack, attack, attack in an indiscriminate and rather mindless way. That was fine when the Libs were 10 points ahead in the polls, but it’s causing some problems now the polls are getting closer.

    I was writing this post while listening to Fran interviewing Sophie M. Fran struggled to maintain her equanimity while talking to an interviewee whose approach seems to be simply to say the first negative thing to come into their heads. Liberals like Mirabella and Abbott seem to me to be the product of the Whitlam-era mindset of mindless, irrational hatred of Labor of the type that many people feel towards Collingwood Football Club. It’s a juvenile way of thinking which explains things like Abbott having a huge picture of John Kerr proudly displayed on the wall of his Parliament House office at one point (or so I’m told).

    It’s what really worries me about the current crop of Liberals. So many of them – Abbott, Hockey, Julie B, Mirabella et al seem to really struggle to behave like grown- ups. Abbott has made huge strides IMO, but he still has occasionsl lapses. Lots of senior Libs seem to have a tendency to lapse into a sort of “na-na-de-na-na” tone of voice. Sometimes I half expect to see one of them poke his or her tongue out at an interviewer. It’s a behavior you also often see from the right-wing commentariat: the likes of that Tim Wilson or Rowan Dean.

    Back in the era of Keating-worship, Labor folk could behave in this childish way too. But, on the whole, they seem to have collectively matured. But the right side has deteriorated greatly. Maybe there’s some sort of cosmic balancing factor at work.

  35. lizzie

    If we are heading into an economic slowdown, I wish I had confidence that there was more acknowledgement of the extra effect of global warming (floods, storms, etc) on the future economy.

    More confirmation of change here:
    [Rising ocean temperatures are rearranging the biological make-up of our oceans, pushing species towards the poles by 7kms every year, as they chase the climates they can survive in, according to new research.

    The study, conducted by a working group of scientists from 17 different institutions, gathered data from seven different countries and found the warming oceans are causing marine species to alter their breeding, feeding and migration patterns.

    Surprisingly, land species are shifting at a rate of less than 1km a year in comparison, even though land surface temperatures are rising at a much faster rate than those in the ocean.]
    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/aug/05/climate-change-pushing-marine-species-to-poles

  36. confessions

    The OO’s Nick Cater, who I’ve seen on ABC24 more times than I’ve seen anyone refer to his OO columns produces a howler for Rupe today.
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/rudd-poised-to-win-media-land/story-fnhulhjj-1226691672274

    This is classic red meat for the base kind of stuff.

    [Consider a hypothetical election in a country we will call Media Land, which consists of the 29 federal parliamentary seats where half of Australia’s 75,000 media professionals lived in 2011.

    The Coalition is in government in Media Land with 15 seats; Labor holds 13 and the Greens one.

    If Labor were to win Brisbane, however, one of the seats considered likely to go its way, the party would be able to form government with the support of the Greens. If the ALP defeats Adam Bandt in Melbourne, or if it were to retake Bennelong, another seat some believe is in play, it would govern in its own right.

    In other words, Kevin Rudd may have a better chance of becoming the notional prime minister of Media Land than he does of winning a mandate from the other 121 seats.

    It speaks volumes about Rudd’s fascination with the media. It is an indication of the perils for the Labor Party of believing that the progressive liberal point of view should take precedence over the rest.]

    What does Cater think constitutes this progressive liberal point of view that the rest of the country living in those other 121 electorates don’t care about?

    [Planetary warming? Check. Gay marriage? Check. The depravities of the Catholic Church? Check. Turnbull for Liberal leader? Check. ]

    These issues may not register as the most important issues for voters, but to dismiss them as mere obsessions of the media chattering classes is ridiculous. If planetary warming is a “prejudice of the Chatter Zone” to quote Nick, why do all parties have policies to abate our carbon emissions?

    If same sex marriage is a “prejudice of the Chatter Zone”, why does poll after poll show Australians support marriage equality?

    And then there’s this hypothetical election Nick sees Labor winning the election with only 29 seats in the parliament. It’s just crazy stuff from the OO!

  37. lizzie

    meher baba

    I long for an interviewer to interrupt the flood of Liberal bulldust with “You’ve already said that, Minister”. It seems they become transfixed, like a chicken with a snake.

  38. my say

    http://www.examiner.com.au/story/1685671/second-tarkine-mine-win-blow-for-activists/?src=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    ========================================================
    this will up set a few people but hurt the liberals
    as the voters see fed labor get things going in Tasmania

    to stop the greens

  39. confessions

    victoria:

    If Labor lose Dobell they can’t blame the Thomson shenanigans IMO. The Liberals preselected their candidate months (years?) ago and have had her (I think) on the ground campaigning for all this time.

    It’s one thing not to have a preselected Labor candidate in O’Connor, which Labor won’t win, but quite another in a seat which they are defending.

  40. Mark the Ballot

    Interesting to see three aggregations all telling much the same story:

    BludgerTrack (50.9)
    Kevin Bonham (50.8, http://kevinbonham.blogspot.com.au/) and
    Mark the Ballot (50.8, http://marktheballot.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/the-first-day-of-2013-election-campaign.html)

  41. crikey whitey

    MB

    A noticeable number of my Liberal acquaintances, particularly men, incline towards the juvenile in matters politic. One even has a ‘ditch the witch’ poster, which he pointed out to me. His (much) better half was angered by its presence.

    Generally, they are products of mid level private schools, some of which specialise in snobbery and misguided grandiosity.

  42. daretotread

    Lizzie

    It is not surprising that land species move more slowly.

    There is much more scope for a land species to find little shady niches to beat extra heat, whereas for marine species the water temperature is constant in all areas (except for a few currents etc. Bay species will probably move more slowly because they also may find tiny micro climate niches for some protection

  43. OzPol Tragic

    Fess

    [http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/wa/18374863/crunch-time-for-wheatbelt/

    The article doesn’t mention AGW at all.]

    OTOH, Darling Downs, SWQ & N-NSW wheat belts have had unusually good winter – well, summer, autumn & winter – rain. If the weather dries out well for September-early Nov (hopefully before storm season starts) winter grain harvests will be brilliant (though my bumper mandarin crop tastes like water with a squeeze or two of mandarin juice.)

    But, though GW might be a factor, areas of Oz in the Monsoon Zone are adjusting to a new cycle of typically Monsoonal wet-weather patterns.

    As weather types & Oldies are saying, It’s like 1946-76 when the long Depression-WW2 cycles of low rainfall & severe drought – interspersed with short bouts of cyclones & severe flooding – finally broke with very similar heavy rainfall; until the early 1960s drought heralded the onset of a somewhat drier period with more frequent short droughts.

    There’s a great deal more to weather patterns than AGW; as mariners who first landed in the Great South Land & their settler-fleets discovered, often with dire consequences. There’s a somewhat similar pattern of (often killer) weather problems in early colonisation of what’s now the USA’s eastern seaboard.

  44. my say

    MB

    I AM hoping the cosmic balance IS KARMA, they have ruined sensible discussion in this country and tried to turn us all in rat bags tea party people and rednecks

    they set no example to the youth of this country
    in fact I think there is a lot of copycat going on
    you only have to read some of ridiculous rubbish

    here that comes out of mouth of some of their supporters

    it all started with JWH saying people where his battlers

    for god s sake the party that bought in workchoices
    where his battlers,

    slogans that’s who started them JWH
    the bush we use to say the country till he came on the scene

    I do notice its now gone back to country folk etc not bush people

  45. my say

    Generally, they are products of mid level private schools, some of which specialise in snobbery and misguided grandiosity.
    ============================================================

    I have noticed that labor catholic mp ministers went to Christian brs, school where there motto is that they take all comers in fact I know if people struggle they are helped .

  46. confessions

    meher:

    The Member for Indi and Liberals like her strike me more as anti-intellectual than abject haters of Labor.

    Reith OTOH genuinely hates Labor and all the party stands for.

  47. meher baba

    CW@43: “the products of mid-level private schools “.

    Excellent work: a put-down almost Austenesque in its gnawing subtlety.

    I know a guy who attended one of the “Associated Schools” (that is, “mid-level private schools”: the ones that didn’t gain admission to the elite “GPS” club) and who became a powerful company executive and far more powerful that I’ll ever be who always referred to Julia Gillard as “that witch”. And this is a guy who would, with good cause, describe himself as a “moderate Liberal”.

    To be fair, I have heard similar nasty garbage from people on the left: eg, references to “the monkey” or the “puff adder” on PB (although Sophie is truly horrifying in terms of her public behaviour and personal history in a way that transcends her political leanings, so she probably warrants some sort of nasty nickname: but “puff adder” seems a bit too nasty to me).

  48. victoria

    confessions

    I am curious as to what Labor are going to do in Dobell. Perhaps they are lining up a celebrity candidate

  49. lefty e

    Interest rates lower under Labor!

    A crushing 6.5% under the liberal, now 2.5!

    Do you want higher interest rates? Vote Abbott. Hockey supports higher interests rates, sez they’re good for the economy

    Yes: the ALP should use these. The LNP deserve it, since they invented this sort if crappy pseudo- economics.

  50. confessions

    For those worried about tabloid front pages:

    [But how much influence is a six-week torrent of offal sluicing through the open sewers of News Limited’s election coverage really going to have? Nobody under the age of 30 has ever read a newspaper and presumably most of the zombie horde drawn to the columns of the Piers Boltbrechtson Hivemind would only ever have voted for Rudd by accident or as a result of some calamitous dosage error in their medication.

    It’s sort of depressing sitting here in the mainstream media, thinking that this might be the last election in which anyone gives a toss what the mainstream media does, and even then it’d be a small and vanishing fraction of the voting age population. But getting upset because a super rich conservative businessman has sooled his pack of attack-munters onto the political party which is only slightly less likely to preference the interests of super rich conservative businessmen over, say, everyone else doesn’t have much of a future.

    The ALP was always a good chance to lose this election, because a lot of people had good reason to vote against them. Murdoch’s sentient drones shooting Hellfire missiles into the whole mess might not even make a damn bit of difference. He tried the same thing with both Clinton and Obama in the US and failed both times.

    There is one possible real world outcome from the hilarious comedy stylings of every journalist taking the Murdoch coin at the moment, however. It’s the further contraction of the newspaper reading audience as even more punters abandon the format in disgust.

    Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/comment/blogs/blunt-instrument/lord-rupert-unleashed-hounds-does-it-really-matter-20130806-2raod.html#ixzz2b8Xm7TWJ ]

  51. crikey whitey

    MB

    ‘puff adder’ is a little ‘something.’

    I think BK referred to Sophie as ‘Biff’ recently. I didn’t follow closely on that, but I assume ‘Death of A Salesman.’

    If so, quite apt.

  52. shellbell

    The libs lost the 2010 election because of dilatoriness on the Central Coast of NSW.

  53. confessions

    OPT:

    Yes, there is all that. But I think there is now a consensus, or close to a consensus that the impact of AGW is going to have varying effects in different jurisdictions, even in different parts of different countries.

    The drying trend in WA’s SW in particular has been occurring for decades now, and every year the winter rainfall seems to decline on previous years.

  54. my say

    Newspoll shows parties neck and neck. She went on to interview Adam Bandt, who said int al ‘not the feedback in my seat’
    =============================================================

    crickey so do you think he has seen internal polling
    not just for the greens.

    and I saw your post thank you

    how is your friend,, loved the table cloths have book marked

  55. lefty e

    Yep, TV is more important than Mud-dog’s shitsheets.

  56. confessions

    victoria:

    I thought C@tmomma said ages ago they had a celebrity candidate lined up in Dobell. What happened?

  57. BK

    crikey
    “Biff” was not my work, I’m afraid.

  58. my say

    tried to catch you crickey but the place is so slow

    I used to think it was my computer but every one mentions it now

    so take my own advice and copy posts at this time of morning so I can just paste

  59. lefty e

    Newspoll shows parties neck and neck. She went on to interview Adam Bandt, who said int al ‘not the feedback in my seat’
    =============================================================

    What did he mean? Not sure I get the implication here

  60. Henry

    It was mentioned on AM this morning that Rudd is keen to parachute his former economics adviser Andrew “Boy” Charlton into Dobell.

  61. victoria

    confessions

    Nothing came of The celebrity candidate

  62. confessions

    [It was mentioned on AM this morning that Rudd is keen to parachute his former economics adviser Andrew “Boy” Charlton into Dobell.]

    That can’t be right. We were assured captain’s picks were only a feature of the Gillard leadership….

  63. crikey whitey

    My Say….Goodo. Hope you got the shop link.

    BK. That’s a pity. Good analogy missed.

    Lefty E. I have no idea what she (Trioli) was talking about.
    Wondered if anyone else heard it.

  64. victoria

    Henry

    interesting…..

  65. crikey whitey

    My Say.

    The patient is remarkably on his feet and pretty mobile with aid of walker. Amazing, really. Though I did say I wonder what may change once Endone is withdrawn.

  66. liyana

    It’s incredible that this bunch of economic illiterates could be our next government. It’s scandalous that they dismiss treasury figures and won’t produce any independent costings of their policies.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/05/joe-hockey-refuses-budget-total#start-of-comments

  67. meher baba

    I like “Biff”.

    “Anna Nicolopolous” is another thought.

  68. swamprat

    Hello all.

    Damn scared of 7 September results.

    I do not understand why Australia has become such an irrational right-wing country. And this ignorance nonsense is celebrated by so many.

    I am In cloudy but beautiful Scotland. Such a relief to be in a high deficit (Tory) country unobsessed with deficits, creative ways to serve haggis, media mostly local and very few baseball caps!!!

    Not sure how to vote here in the highlands.

  69. my say

    kingston ‏@margokingston1 15m
    AFP extends time to process my FOI on who referred 2010 Slipper travel – no answer before election? https://www.righttoknow.org.au/request/294/response/990/attach/4/Scanned%2015AA%20letter.pdf … #Ashbygate

    Collapse

  70. citizen

    [But Hockey showed that he has no credible way of responding to the question of why lower interest rates were a magnificent achievement in 2004 under Howard, but are a disaster now. Sabra Lane lined him up and landed damaging hit after damaging hit. But it was too easy for her: Like shooting at phone boxes.]

    For so long the media have been proclaiming a bonanza for home owners every time interest rates are lowered. People (especially those in “western sydney”) have been conditioned to consider low interest rates = good; high interest rates = bad.

    No amount of huffing and puffing by Hockey will convince home owners that a fall in interest rates is suddenly a bad thing. People in the “mortgage belts of western sydney” are understandably concerned about their own financial situation above that of the economy generally. Remember that the Opposition and Murdoch keep reminding us that “people are doing it tough”, so mortgagees have a basis for believing the Government is doing something to help their financial situation.

  71. my say

    ‘not the feedback in my seat’
    =============================================================well do u think brandt

    has seen internall polling, re labor and greens

  72. my say

    Not sure how to vote here in the highlands.
    =========================================================
    GO ONE LINE TO THE AUST, ELECTORAL OFFICE

    IS THERE AN EMBASSY IN SAY EDINBURGH OR GLASGOW ECT COULD POST OUT TO YOU

    BUT BE QUICK

  73. my say

    LEFTY E
    CAN I use some of your ideas re int, rates on twitter please

    its a subject very dear to my heart

  74. swamprat

    Thanks my say will look into it

  75. victoria

    Economists are rating a 90% chance of interest rates being cut by .25% today.

    Whilst. I believe there will be a cut, I am now worried because these economists never get it right!

  76. victoria

    Has Abbott the coward agreed to any debates?

  77. AussieAchmed

    Budget in “emergency

    But Abbott makes $30 billion in election promises

  78. crikey whitey

    More mid-level private school stuff.

    Matt Abraham, 891, sniggering about Kate Ellis and Amanda Rishworth’s signs sliding down the poles etc. Women both, I note.

    Matt claiming he doesn’t know what a ‘gotcha’ is. ‘I never do them.’ Sir, it wasn’t me.

    Guess who he was talking to. ‘The first class, straight down the line, journalist, Chris Uhlmann’.

  79. triton

    Too much Sophie. First Fran and now Faine.

  80. poroti

    CanJoh at it again.

    [Campbell Newman Government Right to Information changes to hide nepotism, jobs for the boys

    DOGGED by nepotism scandals, the Newman Government is considering laws that would hide appointments from scrutiny. ]
    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/campbell-newman-government-right-to-information-changes-to-hide-nepotism-jobs-for-the-boys/story-fnihsrf2-1226691610801

  81. davidwh

    Interesting poll on Rudd’s seat of Griffith released today on the ABC, covering over 700 people, showing Rudd with a 2PP result of 54.5/45.5. Green vote in particular has collapsed to 8%.

  82. davidwh

    Interesting poll on Rudd’s seat of Griffith released today on the ABC, covering over 700 people, showing Rudd with a 2PP result of 54.5/45.5. Green vote in particular has collapsed to 8%.

  83. davidwh

    Sorry about the double-up.

  84. autocrat

    [Interesting poll on Rudd’s seat of Griffith released today on the ABC, covering over 700 people, showing Rudd with a 2PP result of 54.5/45.5. Green vote in particular has collapsed to 8%]

    That’s 4% down on 2010 2PP, doesn’t seem very likely.

  85. davidwh

    Yes that’s why it’s interesting.

  86. victoria

    [ABCQueensland

    Dr John Harrison from UQ @thedoctorsaid says the previous conservative government opted for middle class welfare rather than infrastructure.]

  87. dave

    lefty e@51


    Interest rates lower under Labor!

    A crushing 6.5% under the liberal, now 2.5!

    Do you want higher interest rates? Vote Abbott. Hockey supports higher interests rates, sez they’re good for the economy

    Yes: the ALP should use these. The LNP deserve it, since they invented this sort if crappy pseudo- economics.

    Good article from the Kouk setting out why interest rates should be lowered again –

    [ Global interest rates are at the lowest levels in more than a century. Most industrialised countries have set interest rates at level at zero, or as practically possible near zero, based on the parlous positions of their economic conditions. Australia is part of the global economy and the downdraft from a softer industrialised world together with very low global inflation is being felt here in Australia.

    …there are many reasons why interest rates in Australia are at record lows and over the past few years, the importance of each issue has waxed and waned according to fresh information. It is not all that helpful to focus on any one issue – rather to do what the Reserve Bank does each month and look at a broad range of indicators which at the moment suggest lower interest rates are indeed needed. ]

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/8/6/economy/why-rates-should-hit-record-low

  88. victoria

    Off for a few hours. Talk later

  89. OzPol Tragic

    Lizzie

    [If we are heading into an economic slowdown, I wish I had confidence that there was more acknowledgement of the extra effect of global warming (floods, storms, etc) on the future economy.]

    The major effect of Global Warming & Cooling periods has been a shift of species, flora & fauna (inc Homo Sapiens) as they follow changing weather towards the poles (if warming) or Equator (if its Cooling). IOW, If warming continues, resource-rich Siberian-Russia, Alaska & Canada are in for a massive Bonanza; Patagonia, southern areas of Oz-NZ & SA as Food-bowls. If there’s a switch to cooling, esp very swift cooling, we’ll have a repeat of disastrous push factors as populations head towards the Equator.

    Currently, there’s intensive research into both patterns; esp warming at the end of the Last Ice Age & very sudden Bronze Age cooling (well covered in Neil Oliver’s History of Ancient Britain). At present, because they are “newer” & left more evidence, cooling periods are better researched & presented.

    If you look behind what is being fed to people re AGW, to the “hard” sciences & new technology behind it, you realise we should have factored species adaptation/ acclimatisation into calculations two decades ago.

    We’ve long had evidence of what happens during periods of Global cooling:

    (1) mid-M2 BC (well studied, very sharp Bronze Age Cooling) and Aryan Invasions (North Eurasian peoples) which would penetrate from (at least) Italy to the Sanskrit civilisations in West Indonesia, replacing Minoan (with Mycenean) Semitic MEast (with Persian); dominating the Indus Valley, India etc; bringing with them a homogenous language-culture which merged with/ replaced existing ones.

    (2) c250AD cooling which set off more invasions into southern Europe by Aryan groups (Goths, Visigoths, Vandals) which (with racially different, central-European Huns) not only toppled the Western Roman Empire, but set off further invasions by Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Vikings & Asian Mongols.

    Very importantly, we don’t know what triggered that very swift Bronze Age cooling; though it’s almost certainly the event remembered as the End of Eden, a myth in more N-hemisphere religions than Semitic peoples’.

  90. daretotread

    Actually Bill Glaasson is a MUCH stronger candidate that the Lib who ran against Rudd last time.

    If Rudd had retired he would almost certainly have won the seat.

  91. mikehilliard

    Morning PB.

    What’s really sad about the whole Ramjan/Abbott affair is the number of men out there who hate intellectual left wing women & wish Abbott had done more than punch the wall.

  92. Boerwar

    If it was Grange, Dowling is a Liberal.

  93. Boerwar

    c

    ‘The article doesn’t mention AGW at all.’

    That is because they don’t want to catastrophically global warming alarm them.

  94. davidwh

    Dowling is an idiot if its the Dowling that has been sending pictures of his private bits to his lover, allegedly.

  95. triton

    Rudd was 62.3% 2PP in Griffith in 2007 and 58.5% last time. I hope that poll result isn’t indicative of other QLD seats.

  96. davidwh

    Confirmed it was a Reachtel Poll of 702 respondents – 54.5/45.5 interesting. Full results available at 10am.

  97. daretotread

    OPT

    I feel fairly sure that many of the Nordic/Germanic myths record a significant Climatic” event. The story of Ragnarok seems pretty much to reflect a tectonic shift involving earth shaking (the world snake), fire and dragons(volcanoes) the sea rising (tsunamis) and the sun being eaten (by a wolf) an summerless period when dust blocked the sun for one or several years, followed by a renewal when growth was good.

    So it is probable that some significant population movements were triggered by these events.

    I think they have recorded the Lake Toba (super volcano explosion) but I am not sure whether there is any recorded for certain in the Northern hemisphere.

  98. triton

    An interesting result, but Griffith wouldn’t even be in my top 20 seats to poll. Rudd is going to win it. I wonder why they picked it.

  99. davidwh

    Triton they had a debate this morning between all the Griffith candidates including the PM so it’s timely.

  100. daretotread

    The term D*ck head seems to VERY accurately describe Mr Dowling MP

  101. mikehilliard

    @101 Reachtel did their survey after the debate? It just wrapped up so do they own a time machine.

  102. AussieAchmed

    Apparently interest rate cuts are good under a Liberal Govt but bad under a Labor Govt

    Who’d have guessed that would be Hockey/Abbott/Murdoch line?

  103. Marrickville Mauler

    Someone needs to tell Mr Dowling MP that’s not how you make coq au vin

  104. davidwh

    ReachTel did the survey last night.

    Dowling is chair of the Ethics Committee – classic.

  105. Sean Tisme

    What a beautiful morning!

    Abbott is a head in the polls.

    Labor has now blown out to $4 Bucks in the betting

    Rudd’s been busted telling fibbie fibs about Nauru

    The budget blow out of $30 Billion dollars means Labors economic credentials are in absolute tatters

  106. Silky38

    This is going to be a very rough ride heading towards polling day. The coalition has a steady primary of low to mid 40’s and that’s going to be very hard to beat. I don’t think Labor is going to pull this one off as things stand. The Coalition are going to have to do some spectacularly stupid things to lose or Labor are going to pull off a miracle through the News Ltd bomardment. I think the country is going to be in deep shit.

  107. mikehilliard

    davidwh – sorry, I thought you meant the survey was taken following the debate.

  108. Psephos

    The most striking aspect of the issues-based polling is the near unanimity on boat arrivals. Only 20% take the “left” view. 80% think that both Abbott and Rudd are right in rejecting boat arrivals, or want them to be even tougher. And of the 20%, I’d very certain that the majority of them live in either safe Labe inner-city seats or safe Liberal wealthy urban seats. People holding the view that Rudd and Abbott are “too tough” on boats would be hard to find in most suburban and regional areas, which is where the marginal seats are.

  109. davidwh

    No worries Mike I can be unclear at times.

  110. davidwh

    No worries Mike I can be unclear at times.

  111. Pegasus

    ABC Radio National Breakfast program with Fran Kelly this morning interviewed John Mendoza, Director of ConNetica and former Chair of the National Advisory Council on Mental Health.
    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/obsessive-hope-disorder/4867168

    Topic: Obsessive Hope Disorder – A landmark report into mental health launched today marking 30 years on since the Richmond Report of 1983.

  112. AussieAchmed

    The word “alleged” never came into the conversation when the Fibs started their campaign against Thomson and Slipper.

    But now one of their own gets caught out suddenly they have found a dictionary and the word “alleged”.

    Usual double standards from the Libs

  113. Boerwar

    I thought that the discussion in that article was a bit underwhelming.

    Sea water temperatures fluctuate from day to night, with the winds, with changes in currents, and with changes in chemical and biotic composition. Particularly in shallower situations such as on and around reefs the temperature fluctuations can be quite large. Apart from situtations in which the fluctuations expose species to vital thresholds (too cold to breed, too hot to live) it is the temperature over time that counts with respect to distribution because species are selected to be optimally competitive for particular temperature regimes.

    I suggest that the reason why terrestrial animal species are ‘slow’ is because nearly all of them are directly or indirectly dependent on plants. It takes a long time for a forest to migrate and to achieve old growth status in its new weather niche, for example. Additionally, human landuse patterns are very likely to disrupt land species migrations. Human landuse patterns rarely come into consideration in terms of AGW responses, but the patterns are critical.

    I suggest also that suggestions notions that southern Australia will turn into a cool moist food bowl are guesswork. No one knows, for example, how long it will take for new weather pattersn to stabilize. Yet it is this stability that underpins food bowls.

    The good thing about all of the above is that because C02 is weightless and climate science is crap, we don’t really have to be concerned about any of the above.

  114. Pegasus

    It will be interesting to reading when Vote Compass disseminates its analyses. So far 268,077 Australians have used this tool.

    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/vote-compass/4867258

  115. my say

    http:The Gillard Government must accept the blame for higher interest rates

    Monday, 27 September 2010

    The likelihood of interest rates rising is back on the agenda, following explicit warnings from the Reserve Bank that it is considering the need for tighter monetary policy
    //www.joehockey.com/media/speeches/details.aspx?s=80

    read more

    =============================================================

    seems hockey has had a lot to say about int, rates now he wants them higher himself and no costings

    is hockey the weekest link in the libs

    the person who would control our taxes with his purse strings

    very very scary

  116. my say

    Stephen Koukoulas ‏@TheKouk 7m
    Apologies: Here is Mr Hockey on how low interest rates are delivered by prudent management of fiscal policy http://www.joehockey.com/media/speeches

  117. mikehilliard

    Abbott presser (& Margie) on 24

  118. triton

    Anna Burke says the hard line on boats has hurt her in Chisholm, but those people are hardly going to prefer Tony.

  119. guytaur

    “@ABCNews24: We now take you live to the NSW Central Coast, where OL @TonyAbbottMHR is speaking. Watch http://t.co/3YXdj7UeVK #ausvotes”

    “@couriermail: UPDATE:’Sorry for the shame’:sexting MP & ethics committee chair quits post http://t.co/neGwVSkJ9v #ausvotes #voiceaust #qldpol #auspol ^de”

    “@latikambourke: PM Rudd media conference 1100 in Brisbane.”

  120. davidwh

    If you are referring to me AA I always say alleged and have done so throughout the Thomson saga.

  121. mikehilliard

    More fibs about the FBT.

  122. Pegasus

    The CPSU’s suspension of campaigning for Labor was also covered on ABC RN Breakfast program:
    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/cpsu-suspends-campaign-effort/4867304
    [Labor’s election efforts have received a setback, and it’s come from one of its biggest supporters. The Community and Public Sector Union has suspended its campaigning efforts on behalf of the ALP.]
    This will give Greens Senate candidate Simon Sheikh’s campaign a boost, as will the NTEU’s Vote Smart campaign advocating vote 1 for the Greens

  123. BK

    [What a beautiful morning!

    Abbott is a head in the polls.]
    What sort of head?

  124. guytaur

    “@nonstoptom: If this election is about giving Western Sydney what they want, give them a beach.”

    😆

  125. AussieAchmed

    Hockey has deleted the article he wrote which said low interest rates are due to a tight budget

    http://joehockey.com/notifications/server/404.aspx?aspxerrorpath=/mediahub/opinion-piece-detail.aspx

  126. davidwh

    A very small head 🙂

  127. AussieAchmed

    davidwh

    Posted Tuesday, August 6, 2013 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    If you are referring to me AA I always say alleged and have done so throughout the Thomson saga.
    ———————————————————-

    No I wasn’t thinking of you…more the types that stalk the halls of parliament house

  128. Toorak Toff

    Malevolent Murdoch is manifest.

    Half-truths, innuendo, fake ‘revelations’, unflattering pictures of the PM and his lady.

    I am very scared.

  129. guytaur

    Local candidate doing Q and A. Abbott avoiding the lizard look today by not being in profile

  130. mikehilliard

    Ah oh – FBT fibs are bogging down, journos asking too many questions.

  131. davidwh

    Anyway the idiot has fallen on his sword not that he had much of an option.

  132. guytaur

    Oh sorry maybe not candidate

  133. mikehilliard

    Cough cough, quick get off the topic. F–king idiot.

  134. Rosemour or Less

    Silky38

    After listening to few numbnut nutters talking on the telly about who they’re going to vote for and why..I’ve decided they deserve Abbott. Seriously, if the punters want him let it rip. I’m sick of feeling underwhelmed all the time by the ALPs L-plate politics. It shits me sideways.
    Bring on Abbott. Australia deserves him.

  135. Boerwar

    Another reason that they might have given for terrestrial/ocean distributions is that most land animals are endothermic and most ocean animals are poikiothermic. Inter alia, this means that land animals can alter their behaviour in situ (use more energy to cool down, for example) whereas poikotherms have to take what they can get: if this means moving polewards to stay cool, so be it.

    One way of testing this would be to compare the migrations of terrestrial poikiotherms compared with terrestrial endotherms. I suggest that, theoretically, the poikiotherms would be migrating more rapidly than the endotherms.

  136. guytaur

    More carbon tax BS.

  137. AussieAchmed

    Abbott showing that he supports the rorting of the FBT.

    But then so many of contributors to the Liberal have been rorting the tax system what else would be expected.

    Gotta look after those big money mats

  138. AussieAchmed

    Abbott showing that he supports the rorting of the FBT.

    But then so many of contributors to the Liberal have been rorting the tax system what else would be expected.

    Gotta look after those big money mates

  139. mikehilliard

    Abbott channeling boat arrival in next few days.

  140. Boerwar

    P

    I assume that the CPSU is protesting against Rudd’s vendetta against the APS?

    I suggest that when Abbott is finished with the Health, Education and Environment departments there will be a whole lot less of the CPSU left to cause anyone any concern.

  141. AussieAchmed

    Abbott keeps going on about the carbon “tax”. Even though it is going under Labor.

  142. guytaur

    Abbott joins Morrison in supporting people smugglers

  143. triton

    What boat problem did the Howard government “inherit”?

  144. Pegasus

    1. http://www.theage.com.au/comment/both-parties-peddle-a-fiscal-fairytale-20130805-2ra2l.html
    [Australia faces an “immense challenge” in paying for its needs and both political parties are failing to deal with it, says Henry.]

    2. http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/mixed-messages-on-nauru-settlement-20130805-2ra8z.html
    [Nauru’s government is assuring its citizens that Australia will eventually relocate all refugees off the island, although some will have limited rights “for a long-term stay”.

    And Immigration Minister Tony Burke has conceded for the first time that asylum seekers sent to Nauru under the expanded regional resettlement agreement will not get permanent visas.]

  145. Boerwar

    p.

    ‘Australia faces an “immense challenge” in paying for its needs and both political parties are failing to deal with it, says Henry.’

    The debauchery of our democracy continues.

    Another reason Vote 1 Informal Party.

  146. Boerwar

    S

    ‘ALP 54.5 LNP 45.5’

    So, whatever he has done to his Party and our democracy, he is going to be hanging around like a bad smell.

  147. guytaur

    Greenway question

  148. mikehilliard

    Abbott using some nice military terms like embedded for the local LNP candidate.

  149. Psephos

    [What boat problem did the Howard government “inherit”?]

    There were 14 boats in 1995-96, with 589 people.

  150. triton

    Labor really should have got their act together in Dobell long before this. From the bit we saw, the Libs seem to have a good candidate.

  151. Boerwar

    P

    ‘Nauru’s government is assuring its citizens that Australia will eventually relocate all refugees off the island, although some will have limited rights “for a long-term stay”.

    And Immigration Minister Tony Burke has conceded for the first time that asylum seekers sent to Nauru under the expanded regional resettlement agreement will not get permanent visas.’

    Australia will not be able to outsource its failed asylum seeker lifers indefinitely. It is really only a question of when, who gets to kick and scream (probably the Greens) and how much it is going to cost: think billions.

  152. daretotread

    BW

    You are right in part about the poikilotherms when you talk of more advanced groups eg Phylum Chordata but of course in actual numbers the non Chordata (Insects, crustaceans etc) land based fauna are very similar to the water based fauna in term of basic physiology.

    The distribution of plants the originating food source will ultimately decide the distribution of the rest of the food chain.

  153. guytaur

    Abbott supporting bad behaviour of candidate

  154. davidwh

    He’s your man Boerwar 😉

    Sorry couldn’t help myself.

  155. my say

    Tuesday, August 6, 2013 at 10:30 am | Permalink
    ReachTEL poll of Griffith

    ALP 54.5 LNP 45.5

    http://www.reachtel.com
    =========================================================

    spurr may I tweet that please

    give me some names to follow in qld

    love to see these figures translate to seats

  156. davidwh

    My say it actually represents a 4% swing to the LNP.

  157. Pegasus

    b

    Yep, it’s all about the ‘efficiency dividend’
    http://www.psnews.com.au/Page_psn3731.html

    Recently we had to queue for 1.5 hours to see a CentreLink officer. The lounge chairs were very comfortable but I would rather have had people to service the needs of those waiting more quickly.

    Understaffing is already chronic with people working at the ‘coalface’ suffering huge workloads and stress.

  158. triton

    Psephos, what did they do to stop boats 1996-2000? I thought it didn’t become an issue till 2001.

  159. daretotread

    My Say

    Do not retweet that result. It is NOT good news

  160. my say

    well that ok

    it still a big lead

    and will get better

    and its reahtell

  161. guytaur

    Abbott laughing at journalist

  162. triton

    Answer the question, Tony. Will rates be higher under you?

  163. Boerwar

    Point of clarification: failed asylum seeker lifers are those who are assess as being bona fide refugees but who are considered to be terrorism risks, those who fail the refugee test but whose home country refuses to take them and those whom we simply can’t figure out because there is no prospect of identifying them.

    At, say, $100,000 per capita per year, assuming a life expectancy from capture of, say 40 years and assume 5,000 lifers, we are looking at a potential cost of $20 billion.

    For proper costing all the assumptions would have to be tested.

    As you are all aware proper costings no longer feature strongly in our democracy.

  164. BK

    Abbott is giving the same sound bite answer to every question.