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Live debate thread

A dedicated thread for your blow-by-blow commentary of the leaders’ debate at the National Press Club as it unfolds.

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  • 401
    gloryconsequence
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    Guytaur – no one watches Ch 10

  • 402
    Gary
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    Irrelevant ML.

  • 403
    mexicanbeemer
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    Quite bland debate.

    Tone 5.5/10
    Kevin 5/10

    Wont change too many votes.

  • 404
    lefty e
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    Ch 9 had 100 “swingers” in the studio.

    If this is true (and I dont know), then it went very well indeed for Rudd tonight.

    Ch7, OTOH, has a self-selecting app download sample of voters (ie clearly unreliable), and lets face it: they chose Kennett (with no balancing voice) as their Federal election commentator.

    Advantage Rudd. Onward!

  • 405
    Diogenes
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    I think Rudd won the debate but Abbott survived so he got a tactical win out of it.

  • 406
    guytaur
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    “@michaelebeid: Tues 8:30pm @insightSBS, @SenatorWong explains why Marriage Equality is important 4 a secular society like ours @AMEQUALITY @AlexGreenwich”

  • 407
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    Rudd’s biggest problems was his tendency to obfuscate and try to change the topic, even aggressively. That Sydney line was just stupid. Rudd needs Sydney votes to win, telling them “You’re not the only city, deal with it!” is not a good way to get them!

    Abbott came off as a tad awkward and cocky and his slogans did seem rehearsed. He also really struggled to put any meat in his pledges, relying on generic “make the economy stronger” non-pledges.

  • 408
    poroti
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    :lol: :lol: :lol: Kroger on Sky boosting Kerosene Bishop as a tireless worker for aged care.

  • 409
    feeney
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    Unfortunately the worm doesn’t get a vote.

  • 410
    Gaffhook
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    Bugger, I have just wasted an hour of my life.

    Why was Kevin Rudd debating George Bush, i thought he was supposed to be debating Abbott.

  • 411
    Mod Lib
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    $5.80 now

  • 412
    ruawake
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    Everyone bar channel seven gives it to Rudd.

    But a bookie was taking bets on the debate, based on 7 results and the Liberal Party was tweeting its members to download the 7 App.

    Disgraceful.

  • 413
    Rosemour or Less
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    thanks pith..but it doesn’t work for me anymore….my heart on my sleeve …pulsing, bleeding everywhere…..I’m pathetic

  • 414
    Mr Squiggle
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    I think Rudd won with the viewers…

    …and…

    Tony won with the press gallery.

    This is going to be interesting

  • 415
    silmaj
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    The debate was pathetic. No more to be said

  • 416
    Mod Lib
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    $5.50 now!

    Some big bets must be happening!!!!!

  • 417
    Marrickville Mauler
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    Miranda # 250: Quite right! Aer not the workhouses in operation?

    Happy Christmas to you too… NOT

  • 418
    outside left
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    What was with Rasputins eyelids? Makeup gone wrong?

  • 419
    BH
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    http://www.theage.com.au/polls/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/who-do-you-think-won-the-debate-20130811-2rpx0.html#poll

    Fairfax poll Bludgers. I missed most of the debate but thanks for the rolling coverage here.

  • 420
    ShowsOn
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    Whatever

  • 421
    davidwh
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    SportsBet has been sitting on $4.80 all day and hasn’t moved following the debate.

    I thought the debate was pretty dull with neither of the participants prepared to really confront the other for fear of upsetting the worm. Hardly good for open democratic debate.

  • 422
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    The only way that this debate was going to make a big difference was if one of them made a huge blunder that could lead the headlines tomorrow. In a sterile format like that of the debate, it never was going to happen.

  • 423
    guytaur
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    “@rauribarker: KRudd, You just got my vote with that statement.
    #leadersdebate #marriageequality”

  • 424
    confessions
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    I wonder how poroti is going….

  • 425
    Lady Miranda Ann Caulfeild Ackermann-Boltt
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    Who actually won the debate today seems a matter for debate, but one thing seems clear. There will be no more debates, unless Krudd agrees to the town hall forums suggested by Mr Abbott. It seems all so appropriate that Mr Abbott is able to set the terms of the debates (or lack thereof). In either case I’m enjoying watching Krudd’s final struggles as he slowly sinks into peat bogs of politics.

  • 426
    the spectator
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    the most important thing about tonights debate was seeing the clear comparison between Abbott and Rudd and Abbott came across wooden, boring and totally uninspiring. that is the critical outcome the comparison of the two leaders on offer.

  • 427
    Mick77
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    The worm outcomes and the conclusions on who won would have been exactly the same if they’d inadvertently blanked out the channels for an hour. Debates don’t alter people’s minds but they reinforce what people already believe and people look for the one line that confirms their perceptions .. there, he said that, you see etc. Waste of time and AEC should just declare election for Libs now and save a lot of time and money – 90 seats to 60 roughly.

  • 428
    mexicanbeemer
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    The SSM issue may become a sleeper issue during the campaign.

  • 429
    zoidlord
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    @Mick77/427

    lol. AEC to declare already?

  • 430
    BH
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    Lefty e Can you explain re Moreton view please

  • 431
    lefty e
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    If I TRY VERY HARD to be objective, Id say the following:

    I though Abbott was doing better than Rudd in the first quarter, but then Rudd relaxed and was more fluent and engaging.

    Yes, I dont think Rudd handled the Sydney Airport all that well. But he did well on NBN, productivity and marriage equality.

    Abbott looked shifty on costings – its just not a good look at all. A lot of punters will recall it was Costello who set up these tests of an oposition. Some of his stuff on the CO2 tax seems stale now: he’s debating someone who is no longer there.

    Rudd will have done better tonight with undecideds, but Abbott didnt screw the pooch either – in general I dont think this format is likel to engage punters as much as it does us.

  • 432
    ShowsOn
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    I think Abbott will refuse further debates as they are too big a risk for him.

  • 433
    Lady Miranda Ann Caulfeild Ackermann-Boltt
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    Admittedly, Mitt Romney did get a very big bounce out of winning the first debate against Obama. Had Rudd tanked in the debate it would have been all over red rover (it probably already is).

  • 434
    guytaur
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    “@TwitterAU: Peak moment of the #LeadersDebate was 1,952 Tweets per minute at 7:25pm AEST, during #samesex marriage discussion.”

  • 435
    Mick77
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    ML
    Which bookie are you watching? sportingbet moved to 5.25 before the debate began and hasn’t moved. Do you have a link for what you’re perving at? (We know that sprocket’s a fraud on betting reports like on most things.)

  • 436
    ShowsOn
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    there, he said that, you see etc. Waste of time and AEC should just declare election for Libs now and save a lot of time and money – 90 seats to 60 roughly.

    WTF? You undemocratic fool

  • 437
    poroti
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    confessions

    First tummy gurgles have hit. Reckon I got ten minutes left. Still got another liter of the ambrosia to drink.
    Uh oh. Make that about 2 minutes left. Byeeeeeeeee.

  • 438
    guytaur
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    @hughriminton: Thanks to the 8000+ tweeps who voted in our #Debate twitterpoll tonight – calling it for @KRuddMP on “believability” @channeltennews

  • 439
    lefty e
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

    BH – ABC24 went to four undecided voters in moreton for a qualitative feedback session.

    All 4 were quite articulate, and the general vibe was unimpressed with format, contemporary politics in general – wanting deeper explanations of policy and fewer cheap slogans.

  • 440
    pithicus
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

    Rosemour
    you might get a pleasant surprise come sep 7.
    If the polls are awful 1 week out then it’s time to really worry.

  • 441
    Laocoon
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

    liyana @ 348

    Menzies!!! Did he say Menzies!!! ROFL- how ridiculous!

    Got me thinking.

    Menzies won his last election in 1963.

    To be of voting age then, one had to be born by 1942.

    That is to say, for the 2013 election, one needs to be 71 years of age or more, to have been eligible to vote in an election with Menzies as PM.

    Looking at last year’s demographic stats, that would be at maximum, 12.3% of the voting age bloc. And a reasonable proportion of them surely would be immigrants from after 1963, who would not have ever experienced a Menzies election.

  • 442
    Posted Sunday, August 11, 2013 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    Wrapping it up here now, so it’s back to the earlier thread.

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