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Sep 15, 2013

Seat of the week: Warringah

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Tony Abbott’s electorate of Warringah covers Sydney’s affluent northern beaches from Manly north to Dee Why, extending inland to Balgowlah, Mosman, Middle Cove and Forestville. Out of the 150 federal electorates, it ranks fourth highest for median family income after Wentworth, North Sydney and Curtin. Warringah accommodated the entire northern beaches as far as the Hawkesbury River from its establishment in 1922 until 1949, when the creation of Mackellar caused it to be reoriented around Mosman and Seaforth. A relatively static population has since seen it expand back to the north over successive redistributions, recovering Manly in 1969 and being anchored on the north shore of Port Jackson thereafter.

Warringah has been never been held by Labor, and has only once slipped from Liberal control since the party’s foundation in 1944. That occasion was in March 1969 when one-term member and instant loose cannon Edward St John raised concerns in parliament over then Prime Minister John Gorton’s indiscreet behaviour with a female journalist, prompting him to resign from the party pending expulsion. St John contested as an independent at the election the following October, but was only able to poll 20.6% against 50.2% for Liberal candidate Michael Mackellar. Mackellar went on to serve in the Fraser government as minister first for immigration and then for health, resigning from the latter role in 1982 over a failure to declare to customs a television set he brought into the country.

The mid-term retirement of Mackellar in February 1994 initiated a by-election at which the seat safely passed to its present incumbent, Tony Abbott. Abbott had famously studied to become a priest after leaving school, but soon became set on a course for parliament via student politics, a stint as a journalist with The Bulletin, and the position of press secretary to Opposition Leader John Hewson. After securing a safe seat in parliament at the age of 36, Abbott became a parliamentary secretary with the election of the Howard government in 1996, winning promotion to cabinet as Employment Services Minister after the 1998 election and then to workplace relations in 2001 and health and ageing in 2003.

Abbott first publicly declared his leadership ambitions after the Howard government’s defeat in 2007, but he withdrew from the contest when it became clear he would not have the numbers. In late November 2009 he was one of a number of front-benchers who quit as part of a revolt against leader Malcolm Turnbull’s support for the government’s emissions trading scheme, which initiated a leadership spill. Presumed favourite Joe Hockey was unexpectedly defeated in the first round, and Abbott prevailed over Turnbull in the second 42 votes to 41. Abbott’s first year in the leadership saw Kevin Rudd deposed as prime minister in favour of Julia Gillard and Labor lose its majority at the August 2010 election, but he was unable to secure the necessary support of independents in order to form government.

Despite weak personal approval ratings attributed to his abrasive political style, Abbott’s hold on the party leadership was consolidated during Labor’s second term by crushing opinion poll leads on voting intention, which eventually wrought the downfall of a second Labor prime minister on Abbott’s watch in June 2013. Abbott became Australia’s twenty-eighth prime minister after the Coalition easily defeated Labor and its newly returned leader Kevin Rudd at the ensuing election on September 7, gaining a national two-party swing of 3.4% and securing what appears at the time of writing to be an absolute majority of 16 seats.

UPDATE (Essential Research): The new government’s first opinion poll is testament either to the absence of a honeymoon bounce, or the particular pollster’s tendency towards constancy in its results. The poll is from Essential Research and is the normal fortnightly rolling average, which it to say half of it was conducted over the weekend of the election itself. It has the Coalition on 44% (45.6% at the election on current figures), Labor on 36% (33.6%) and the Greens (9%). The published 53-47 two-party preferred (the current election result being 53.4-46.6) is weaker for Labor than the primary vote shifts suggest it should be, which may be because they are still using preference allocations from 2010.

Further questions finding 38% thinking the election of micro-parties to the Senate “good for democracy” against 25% for bad, although I’d like to see more specific questions in relation to this topic. Forty-four per cent believe the lack of a Coalition Senate majority will make for benefit against 30% for worse. Respondents were asked about various aspects they might expect to get better or worse under the new government, including the surprising finding that cost of living and interest rates are expected to be worse. Other questions relate to the country’s economic outlook, all of which you can see here.

William Bowe — Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe

Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, is one of the most heavily trafficked forums for online discussion of Australian politics, and joined the Crikey stable in 2008.

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2,109 thoughts on “Seat of the week: Warringah

  1. CTar1

    At Pine Lodge mesmerised by the spinning wheels and free drinks.

  2. poroti

    Go team Emirates NZ ! Race 7 off and racing.

  3. CTar1

    It’s more skimming than sailing …

  4. CTar1

    Lost that one.

    Too aggressive.

  5. poroti

    Eejits nearly capsized it and have blown the race. Copped a penalty to rub salt into the wound.
    Seppos seem to have done something to their boat. The leg they have been slaughtered on in all but one race they were matching NZ.

  6. BK

    Good morning Dawn Patrollers.
    Let’s sit back and enjoy watching the fur fly.
    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/residents-irate-as-private-schools-buy-up-neighbourhood-20130914-2trj3.html
    Here we go. And a reminder here that the Commission hearings are going to be live streamed (I think thois was announced last week).
    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/paedophile-scoutmaster-employed-at-boys-school-20130914-2trie.html
    Abott coulkd be responsible for a traffic train wreck here in SA already.
    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/motorists-face-12month-delay-to-all-works-on-south-road/story-fni6uo1m-1226719307750
    Cathy Wilcox is on to the invisible Abbott. And so she should be.
    http://www.theage.com.au/photogallery/federal-politics/cartoons/cathy-wilcox-20090909-fhd6.html
    Ron Tandberg has another go at the new Senate composition.
    http://www.theage.com.au/photogallery/federal-politics/cartoons/ron-tandberg-20090910-fixc.html

  7. poroti

    CTar1

    It’s the Grant Dalton jinx. He has been off the boat for two races . The only two they have lost.
    The cause of the damn near capsize was a the jib not coming across. Could be a mechanical prob or panic at the seppos being at least as fast as NZ on a leg they previously owned.

  8. poroti

    BK

    One to go with your Christie story.

    [One more reason it’s crap to be a waiter in America

    The IRS is cracking down on tips – again. Why go after billionaires when you can squeeze more out of servers?

    America’s waiters and waitresses can’t seem to get a break. Not only do they make a mere $2 to $5 an hour base salary in most places, now the tax man wants to make their lives more miserable.

    Yes, the IRS is worried that people who typically make about $20,000 a year aren’t paying enough in taxes. Why go after millionaires and billionaires when you can squeeze more out of servers?

    In a new rule set to take effect in January, restaurants that charge an “automatic tip” have to treat that amount like a wage, not a tip.]
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/08/irs-tax-waiter-tips-automatic-gratuities

  9. BK

    poroti
    Why am i not surprised?

  10. mari

    Had a look on PB last night see the resident trolls have now been reduced to abuse of other PBers as a distraction from the fact their great leader and also Treasurer elect are MIA and the party seems completely lost. The trolls will disappear soon I think :devil:

  11. Fran Barlow

    I’m someone with great respect for the animal kingdom, and can generally find some beauty in all living things, but this proboscis monkey does test this power …

    http://www.theage.com.au/photogallery/environment/ugly-animal-preservation-society-names-worlds-ugliest-animal-20130913-2to69.html

    Mind you, I’d prefer him to John Howard as GG 😉

  12. mari

    Fran 14
    So would I prefer him to JWH GG,Amazing colour though

  13. Fran Barlow

    DisplayName and Davidwh

    My ‘no parties’ platform really is about structure and process.

    I’d use a combination of deliberative sortition for candidate selection and direct democracy for ‘macro’ policy.

    In this system, the parties, shorn of their power to broker careers or determine policy or to protect the harmful, would be reduced to barracking from the sidelines for particular ideas or perhaps coaching those from the pool of randomly selected citizens they thought were the best prospects for their kinds of policy framework.

    Imagine no career politicians. You may say I’m a dreamer.

  14. Fran Barlow

    He does have nice fur — it’s true. That cartoon nose however is hard to get past.

  15. Socrates

    Morning all. Thanks for the link n the South Road story BK. there is fault on both sids on that one. The SA government has never publicly released the report justifying the Torrens project, and its claims on the economics of it are dubious in my view. In the last Swan budget the Commonwealth money was not slated to appear for two years. The State was trying to commit Canberra in advance of time.

    The joke will soon be on the state. When the duplicated Southern Expressway opens soon, it will make no difference to the queue in South Road.

  16. Fran Barlow

    More on the proboscis monkey …

    [The monkey also goes by the Malay name monyet belanda (“Dutch monkey”), or even orang belanda (“Dutchman”), as Indonesians remarked that the Dutch colonisers often had similarly large bellies and noses.]

  17. BK

    Socrates.
    There is no escape from the Theory of Constraints.

  18. frednk

    More of the same, Labor trying to be half pregnent is not going to work.

    http://wrb330.wordpress.com/2013/09/14/labor-lacks-electoral-loyalty/

  19. rummel

    [What can one say, this is our PM?]

    What’s the problem?

  20. Socrates

    BK

    That is the point though, the State was playing political games, not following the agreed rules. Without a friendly govt in Canberra to shield them, they are about to be caught out. And the State election is in March 2014.

    The SA State government is, together with Napthine in Vic, the least transparent on planning decisions of all the States. They do not even have public written policies on some issues relating to development approval.

  21. Boerwar

    Fran

    In early colonial days the Dutch used bolsters to keep the bed sheets off their bodies. It was, after all, very hot and sticky. Often the men did not take their wives with them to the NEI, or they were single. Life expectancy in the tropics was a few years. But there was money to be made.

    Anyway, the Indonesians called the bolsters ‘Dutch wives’.

    If there is one thing the powerful cannot do it is to quell the humour of the abused.

    ‘Balanda’ has become a Gupapuyngu borrow word by way of Macassan trepang and beche de mer gatherers to describe whites in Arnhemland

  22. Boerwar

    r

    Instead of poncing around wearing police gear Abbott should be on the phone fixing up his Indonesian mess.

    It is time for Abbott’s stunts, Abbott’s wrecking the joint and Abbott’s fart-arsing around with uniforms to stop, and it time for doing what he is paid for.

  23. Boerwar

    Fran
    Have they embellished the external procreative parts of the Proboscis monkey? The seed production unit/s look metallic.

  24. Edward StJohn

    I think Edward StJohn QC getting 20 per cent compares very favourably in the history of party mps subsequently running as independents. What did Slipper get 1.5 per cent ?

  25. lizzie

    The similarity between Abbott’s new quarters and a monk’s cell are so striking that even the media have picked up on it.
    😀

  26. guytaur

    Good Morning

    In the realm of the weird. It turns out that it is amazing that he was only caught by Queensland police speeding in his car.

    He has suffered child abuse as his father shot him to “prove” manhood.

    Amazing Bernard Tomic has turned out to be as mature as he seems to be.

  27. leon

    Fran: Anyone who thinks those animals are ugly should take a look in the mirror.

  28. markjs

    I wonder if Margie is happy to share hubby’s mad-monk cell? 😉

  29. Outsider

    From the Indi thread courtesy of the esteemed Kevin Bonham:
    Kevin Bonham
    “I’m getting an average gap of 240 on the latest figures on the assumption that practically all remaining EVPPs and one quarter of remaining postals arrive. Mirabella has some chance still, maybe five percent or so (assumptions on probability calculations can be argued various ways). The last 500 absents had almost no effect on my projection.”

    I did my own little analysis this morning, based on what we know already from late counting of prepolls, absents and postals. The number I came up with is a final win to McGowan by 256. Perilously close. I think I will stick with Kevin’s calculation that Mirabella still has a 5% probability of winning from here. He’s much better at this stuff than I am! The critical variable relates to the return rate of outstanding postals – there are about 1200 that have not yet been returned. My calculation assumes 100 of these will still come in.

    Fingers crossed that good will prevail.

  30. guytaur

    mark js

    Margie will be staying in Sydney I think. Unless the Abbotts are reliving Student digs days.

  31. guytaur

    @ABCNews24: Next #Insiders with @fitzhunter on Labor’s future + panel @MikeSeccombe @frankellyabc & @andrewprobyn http://t.co/3YXdj7UeVK #auspol

    Decent panel

  32. Outsider

    If, for some reason, the remaining prepolls (3535) ended up splitting 62/38 to Mirabella, as they did in 2010, then she would up winning by around 100…. Scary thought for a Sunday morning!

  33. liyana

    I think our new PM has an unhealthy fascination with men in uniforms. And where is his ubiquitous family? Where are they supposed to live? Or will he just bring them out for photo ops? I guess work and politics is a man’s world according to Tony.

  34. lizzie

    Clive wants to open new coalmines in Latrobe? Abbott is anticipating a mining-led boom?

    [“Over the last decade, one of the most unassailable assumptions in global energy markets has been the ever-increasing trajectory of Chinese thermal coal demand,” the analysts write.

    “The results of our analysis indicate that the era of wanton Chinese coal demand growth is approaching an end.” And, it warns, coal miners should not count on other markets such as India picking up demand either because of economic issues and a lack of structural reform.

    The implications for the newly elected conservative government in Australia, which had pinned its policies on the future being exactly like the past, are enormous. Its policies are almost entirely geared towards re-igniting a mining boom, particularly in the coal industry. The carbon price, incentives for renewables, and “green tape” are being removed specifically to make that possible.

    The problem is that the financial markets no longer believe this to be true. And as Citi points out, this has “serious ripple effects” for globally graded commodities, and for countries which rely on coal production.]
    http://reneweconomy.com.au/2013/tony-abbott-gets-crash-course-in-carbon-bubbles-88258

  35. guytaur

    The AFP stay seems real odd. After all Abbott has had a residence in Canberra.

    Unless security concerns have brought about this measure. We do know about that Facebook Page.

    Its about the only sensible reason I can think of for such a choice.

  36. BK

    Try as he might, Pontificating Paul Kelly fails to put any words into Chris Bowen’s mouth.

  37. Sean Tisme

    The Lodge is having 12 months worth of “repairs” so Abbott and family will be housed up in Kirribilli House overlooking Sydney Harbour and the Opera House 🙂

  38. Sean Tisme

    [Instead of poncing around wearing police gear Abbott should be on the phone fixing up his Indonesian mess.]

    What did he unilaterally shut down Australia’s live exports to Indonesia overnight?

    Oh no no… wait wait… that was the incompetent dickheads from the Labor Party

  39. Al Dente

    It’s only been a week, but Tony Abbott has already shown calm resolve by methodically fixing the Budget Emergency:

    1. Fired Steve Bracks.
    2. Denied pay rise to Aged Care workers.
    3. Found temporary lodgings with an ace gymnasium.

    Australia, this is what an adult government looks like.

  40. Al Dente

    Margie will be staying in Sydney I think. Unless the Abbotts are reliving Student digs days.

    Wait, I didn’t know Margie was gay!? That’s the only possible explanation, right? I’m not saying it, it’s just what all the talkback callers are saying.

  41. alias

    Abbott is hankering for his seminary days. It’s just plain weird. And as someone else said: where is Margie in all this?

  42. victoria

    morning all

    So Abbott is quite happy to share accommodation with the AFP recruits. Hmmm,………….

  43. guytaur

    I agree with sex party taxing of Churches policy

  44. victoria

    alias

    That is the point precisely. Where is Mergie? Hmmmm again……

  45. psyclaw

    So Abbott is going to reside humbly at the AFP recruit boarding house till the lodge is fixed.

    But will he still claim his Canberra o’nite allowance….. With cheap digs that should leave a few bucks over each day for the mortgage.

    And as even FKelly can discern, there are many implications about the PM residing rough.

    What a stuntmeister country member the monkey is.

  46. alias

    Clearly this is meant to be “clever” in PR terms. Saving the poor taxpayer bucketloads of money, but it really just looks strange. As Fran Kelly just said on Insiders, it’s not befitting the PM of the country.

  47. Outsider

    I will be a minority here and express admiration for Abbott’s decision to stay at the AFP training centre, judging from the photos, it looks like a pretty standard, basic, motel room. Of the kind I’ve stayed at many times in the past, and continue to do so when appropriate. It avoids all the security issues that other alternatives would present. For the first time, gulp, I will say “good call Tony” (though I also admire Abbott’s commitment to the Sydney Uni rugby club over many years – the glorious blue and gold had a thumping GF win yesterday. Go the students!)

  48. victoria

    It solves the problem of having to continue the sham of happy family

  49. victoria

    Outsider

    Me thinks you are being a tad naive

  50. confessions

    Morning all.

    Surprise, surprise! Joel Fitzgibbon pops up to give the country his views on Labor’s leadership.

  51. guytaur

    Wow Fitzgibbon started of talking sensibly. Media will be disappointed

  52. Sean Tisme

    [What a stuntmeister country member the monkey is.]

    Poor Labor Darlings…. you’d be whinging if he was in the $2000 a night accommodation… but here you are whinging because he is in $110 a night accommodation.

    Bloody Abbott not rorting the taxpayer… the bloody CHEEK of it all! 🙂

    You guys are going to be in opposition for a long long time..

  53. confessions

    [As Fran Kelly just said on Insiders, it’s not befitting the PM of the country.]

    Abbott did more than anyone to trash the office of PM so it’s fitting that he does nothing to restore it.

  54. alias

    Yes Victoria. It just raises so many questions as to what’s inside Abbott’s head. Questions that already troubled millions of voters.

    Still, it’s quite exhilerating how the L-NP is making a mess of virtually everything they touch. Already. The vindictive sacking of Bracks; the “budget emergency” that merits a 0.4 per cent variation of Labor’s budget arrangements; Tony Abbott’s utterly pecular living arrangements; the breathtakingly dumb retreat from their already grossly inadequate climate change policy as climate records tumble worldwide and extreme weather events smash the planet.

  55. lizzie

    victoria

    Someone remarked on Twitter that having made the best us of his family for the election, TA can now concentrate on his political life, as he prefers.

  56. Sean Tisme

    [As Fran Kelly just said on Insiders, it’s not befitting the PM of the country.]

    Ohhh Ohhhhh!!!! Meee meee!!!

    Is the Rooty Hill RSL befitting of the PM when Kirribili house is a 20 minute drive away??

  57. Outsider

    I think we will see more of this stuff. It’s both pragmatic and politically smart. I’ve no doubt it will greatly inconvenience the AFP recruits. But it’s on a par with JB’s request to stay in a standard hotel room when traveling. It’s a politically based decision, to demonstrate commitment to the “stop the waste” slogan. And let’s face it, he will probably only be spending 3 or 4 nights of the week there, maybe less. He will also have the comforts of Kirribilli House to return to when he chooses. It’s actually not that much of a hardship for him, and it sends a very smart political message. Is that naive?

  58. my say

    35m
    All unemployed for 12 months onto work-for-the-dole, and income management for all. Ideology over evidence. Sigh…http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/coalition-to-revive-work-for-dole-program/story-fni0cx12-1226719224162

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  59. confessions

    victoria:

    We won’t see Margie and the girls until next election, I feel.

  60. alias

    Sean Tisme:

    Julia Gillard stayed at Rooty Hill for 3 days. Abbott is planning to play with policemen for 12 months.

  61. guytaur

    ST

    You are on a loser when Fran Kelly is saying it’s the wrong thing to do.

    Before you know it Michelle Grattan and Alan Jones will agree with her.

  62. victoria

    lizzie

    It would be more benefitting of Abbott if he were honest about his relationship with Margie. Frankly it should not matter whether a couple is “together” or not. But to come up with stunts such as this latest one, is offensive

  63. my say

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    Watch for promises dropped behind the smoke, like PPL. NBN, anything environmental, and use social media – other media handcuffed #auspol

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  64. confessions

    Outsider @ 62:

    Spot on. The JBishop bootstrapping article about the travel arrangements was exactly the same.

  65. guytaur

    outsider

    You mean more image over substance. That claim of Bishop’s was fact checked. Found to be false.

    No first class for decades.

  66. my say

    twitter is very large but we need to double

    do posts and twitter

    if u are alp member or supporter consider both

    MAQUIRE BOB TWITTER WOULD GREAT 4

  67. victoria

    confessions

    Pretty obvious that Margie and the girls have been props for his election campaign.

  68. confessions

    Typical Fitzgibbon: he thinks he’s waaaaay smarter than he actually is. Doesn’t take much for Cassidy to have him tripping over his words.

  69. Outsider

    My understanding is that PM Howard rarely stayed at the Lodge. The return shuttle in the VIP plane from Sydney to Canberra was a very frequent occurrence. The principal PM private office will be Sydney based, as it was in Howard’s time. That may change once the Lodge renovations are completed. As it should.

  70. Henry

    Fitzgibbon is such a dud, being exposed as the lying snake he is on Insiders.

  71. victoria

    Outsider

    My understanding is that Hyacinth did not let Howard out of her sight. Margie with Abbott. Meh…

  72. psyclaw

    Intro clips to Insiders shows Abbott’s speech to his mob of clowns. It was a jerky, influent, hesitant and indicated that when Credlin isn’t behind him as ventriloquist, he’s pathetic.

    Two other observations …….. The pained look on Turnbull’s face as he joined in the “we love you monkey” clapping (he can control and hide his attitude in choosing his words but at the deep emotional level he can never control his non-verbals) ……. And Abbott nearly yanked Bishop’s arm out of it’s socket as he pulled her to him for a photo kiss…. Clearly a sensitive guy.

  73. liyana

    Mysay- the article about work for the dole also mentions income management- It’s difficult to enforce payment of rent and bills through income management when there’s not enough to do either..

  74. Sean Tisme

    [Julia Gillard stayed at Rooty Hill for 3 days. Abbott is planning to play with policemen for 12 months.]

    Kirribilli House is a 20 minute drive from Rooty Hill.

    The Lodge is unliveable because of repairs.

    You Labor guys are going to be in opposition for a long long long time if the best argument you have that Tony Abbott isn’t spending enough taxpayer money on accommodation.

  75. guytaur

    I have to pay that one Mr Fitzgibbon.

    [Are they News Limited journalists?]

  76. my say

    Tucker ‏@btckr 21m
    The AFP building flat the Abbott will occupy costs $120 a night. AFP recruits pay $120 a night! What??!

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    so are the 4 of them in this tiny flat at our expense

    where is the tv and pic opportunities if this was KEV imagine

    so why stay there at afp ,,,,,? stay in own home JG did with sec vans out side, not good enough for abbott then \
    this we are all his ATM

  77. lizzie

    Fitzgibbon defending Rudd as one would expect. Cassidy cynical.

  78. confessions

    Joel Fitzgibbon admits that Rudd was destabilising the party. Only fools think otherwise.

  79. Outsider

    Part of Bishop’s claim was correct, part of it false. She has asked to stay in a standard room. Like most business people do when traveling. A standard room at a 5* hotel in a major world city is hardly slumming it. It’s about imagery. Yes, a stunt maybe. But the PM already has an absolutely magnificent alternative official residence in Sydney. Margie and the girls will keep on living there! Even after the Lodge renos are done!!

  80. Rosemour or Less

    ‘As Fran Kelly just said on Insiders, it’s not befitting the PM of the country.’

    Maybe, but it is befitting Monkey PM.
    In fact give him a tree and a bag of bananas.

  81. alias

    Joel Fitzgibbon makes a very sound bipartisan point about the way the Australian parliament loses enormously valuable experience and talent through the very odd practice here of ejecting leaders who may have reached a low ebb. He cited Costello, Downer, Mark Vaile, Keating.

    In the United States, as we know from Hillary Clinton’s likely candidacy in 2016, the likes of Kevin Rudd are just getting warmed up, in terms of their years.

  82. Outsider

    Victoria. Lets not get into the Howard living arrangements. There are many rumors….. Laws of defamation apply here as much as anywhere else.

  83. psyclaw

    Outsider

    When do you think Abbott will stop the waste vis a vis his o’nite allowance claims on his “charity” frolics.

    Do you think he’ll reject the allowance when networking with young AFP recruits. Separation of powers LOL

  84. alias

    Sean Tisme

    I assume you’re probably mocking yourself with an argument that doesn’t begin to hold water. Good on you for self-deprecation.

    Of course, your implication that playing with policemen is the only option given that the Lodge is being done up doesn’t bear a moment’s examination.

  85. confessions

    alias:

    Fitzgibbon’s point may be sound, but the person it’s applied to makes it redundant; I’d imagine people would be happy to have Rudd hang around, if he did not have a demonstrable history of undermining the leadership and whiteanting the party.

  86. victoria

    Outsider

    Agreed

  87. Outsider

    I’m no fan of Tony Abbott. Until,now, the only thing I’ve respected for him was his role for many years as Sydney Uni’s scrum doctor. The guy who gets called in when no one else can work out what’s going wrong! The Wallabies need someone like Tony Abbott desperately! He would do a good job. Maybe that’s another stunt we might see in coming weeks?

  88. alias

    Confessions:

    One thing I’ve never understood about this Rudd argument: Let’s suppose for a moment that Rudd is guilty of white-anting. How is this different from what Keating did over an extended period to topple Hawke?

  89. psyclaw

    Fitzgibbon, my shameful local member is a liar, fool, schemer…… A thorough prick all up.

    Good to see him looking stressed on Insiders …….. Jerk!

  90. confessions

    victoria:

    I should add that I’m more than happy not to see Margie and the daughters every day. Once every 3 years sounds good to me. 🙂

  91. lizzie

    How can anyone think that Fitzgibbon would be an appropriate leader of Opposition Business in the HOR?

  92. guytaur

    lizzie

    Easy. They have seen Pyne at work

  93. confessions

    alias:

    We are long past assumptions about what Rudd did to his own party. The evidence is there.

    I have no recollections of Keating even remotely behaving as Rudd has done.

  94. Outsider

    I’ve no idea what the PM’s traveling allowance entitlements might be. I expect it has now ceased, and that instead his actual costs are met at public expense. This would be part of the AFP decision. You know, look at me, and how I’m stopping all that dreadful Labor waste. The cost of the PM’s private shuttle plane will far outweigh the cost savings, of course. fertile ground, I would have thought, for some probing Estimates Committee hearing questions in the future.

  95. guytaur

    😆

    Hostage negotiation Training

  96. victoria

    confessions

    I reckon Margie feels the same way about having to see the Abbott!!

  97. liyana

    The accommodation thing reeks of a man who pines for a solely masculine environment…A man who has never grown up and doesn’t feel comfortable in mixed (ie male and female) company.

  98. victoria

    liyana

    It reeks of a man using this as a ruse to cover up his sham marriage

  99. Outsider

    And Labor would be well advised to avoid all comment on the AFP decision. It’s dangerous ground. It’s a stunt alright, but with a healthy measure of pragmatism. And far cheaper than any other alternative that would have been under consideration. High end, secure, Canberra accommodation doesn’t come cheap

  100. psyclaw

    Abbott is to reside with young impressionable cops, he embeds a military 3 Star Whatever into government decision making (“the 3 Star will decide whether or not to announce boat arrivals”), and he’s personally practised ‘copter flying, tank driving, gun firing etc etc in his frolics.

    Is this fool developing too close a link between the armed services and the rule of our country?

  101. Outsider

    Victoria. Just be careful. Your friendly lawyer friend speaking!

  102. victoria

    Outsider

    The question needs to be asked in relation to Margie and the kids. Are they going to be getting security around the clock at the premises they will be residing?