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Dec 28, 2013

Newspoll quarterly aggregates

The Australian has published aggregated breakdowns from the four Newspoll results since the election, suggesting Western Australia to be the outstanding performer in Labor's recent polling renaissance.

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The Australian has published Newspoll’s quarterly aggregated federal polling featuring breakdowns by state, gender, age and city/non-city, for which GhostWhoVotes offers full tables. This amounts to a relatively small dataset from four post-election polls, with total samples ranging from a modest 554 in South Australia to 1352 in New South Wales. The first of the four polls was something of an outlier in having the Coalition leading 56-44 – comfortably their best result in any poll since the election – but the next three tracked the broader trend in having the Coalition two-party preferred vote progress from 53% to 52% to 48%. Labor looks to have made the biggest gains among its weakest cohorts, namely male and older voters.

The state numbers have been added to the BludgerTrack model, and the display on the sidebar revised accordingly. This has tended to moderate the distinctions between the state swings, with the exception of Western Australia where Newspoll records a thumping 8% two-party shift to Labor – a result complemented by today’s Newspoll state result, which you can read about in the post directly below. The Newspoll figures for New South Wales, Western Australia and South Australia were very close to BludgerTrack’s, but Victoria and Queensland were substantially better for the Coalition. Their addition causes the Coalition’s seat projection to improve by one each in the latter two states, which pans out to a net gain of one after accounting for a Labor gain in New South Wales.

William Bowe — Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe

Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, is one of the most heavily trafficked forums for online discussion of Australian politics, and joined the Crikey stable in 2008.

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  1. CTar1

    The WA result a shocker for the local Libs but I expect most of it is down to State politics.

    However when we may have a second attempt at the Federal Senate vote and once people get in mind the want to vote for the Opposition next time out some of this would effect the re-vote.

  2. AussieAchmed

    Sean Tisme

    Posted Saturday, December 28, 2013 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    Invariably with anything in life, when the growth of something gets so large it is out of touch with reality at some point the bubble must burst.

    We are currently in a wage bubble and with increasing unemployment it just proves that it is unsustainable.

    It will be interesting to see unemployment numbers 12 months from now.
    ===========================================

    Increasing as Abbott’s policies chase manufacturers out of Australia.

    Abbott will never achieve his added two million jobs promise.

    The only thing he’s added to is the unemployment lines

  3. PeeBee

    At least Sean is walking the talk by only getting $100k a year (after years of building up his business). Keep up the good work Sean, I would hate to see your wage burst (or has it already done so?).

  4. zoidlord

    Sean has the gauls to complain about him making $100k and no hire anyone.

  5. briefly

    [1
    CTar1

    The WA result a shocker for the local Libs but I expect most of it is down to State politics.]

    The Senate re-vote will amount to a State-wide by-election, something the LNP should approach with trepidation. Voters can give the LNP a total hiding without upsetting the balance of power in the House of Reps and they most likely will.

    At a local level, the LNP clearly just lied their way back into office. I think there is widespread shock with the budget cuts, the loss of the credit rating and the postponement of promised infrastructure spending. Voters will want to let Abbott know they won’t tolerate the same kind of games from him.

  6. Tricot

    CM at other thread. Yes, you are right, but you get the point I am sure.

    I am sure Al Capone had it right at the time!

  7. Carey Moore

    Like with everybody else, I don’t actually give a shit what Sean does for coin, or how much he earns. Whether he’s on Centrelink, a small business owner or the CEO of a fortune 500, I don’t give a shit. To each, their own.

    However, he smugly spends his time here gloating about the big bucks he’s earning and how much he’s working (implying that makes him superior to everyone else.) So, it’s very hard to avoid being sceptical and point out his inconsistencies and bullshit claims.

    I do confess, however, I went overboard last night and probably made the board uncomfortable for visitors. For that, I apologise. I will reel it back in.

  8. Carey Moore

    [but you get the point I am sure.]

    Yes, I did 🙂

    Typical Huguenot! 😛

  9. John Ryan

    After Frank your an Amateur

  10. briefly

    [Sean Tisme

    We are currently in a wage bubble and with increasing unemployment it just proves that it is unsustainable.]

    There is no basis for this claim. In fact, the data show that as labour demand stagnates, earnings growth has also ticked down is just about matching the (recently below trend) growth in prices.

    However, we have experienced a very prolonged real exchange rate appreciation – recently partly reversed – which has pushed incomes well above those of our trading partners. This is a real problem for exporters and import-competing industries. The causes of this lie mostly outside this economy, in the monetary policies of the US, EU and Japan.

    The result is very feeble growth in the domestic economy. If Sean is finding his IT service business is not growing fast enough to allow him to compete for talented workers, he should ask how growth rates can be lifted in the economy as a whole and how he can improve his own firm’s productivity. And he should reflect on the decisions and leanings of the LNP, which will only retard growth rates and inhibit investment.

  11. Yesiree Bob

    Sean tells us that he runs an IT business and yet supports the COALitions fraud band over the NBN.

    That tells me that he doesn’t really run an IT business.

  12. AussieAchmed

    I didn’t think you could make that much selling Tupperware from Mum’s lounge room

  13. John Ryan

    Sean must a great businessman if he supports 4th best as the best option,you don’t need a new part says Sean you will do better with this 4th hand knockdown.

  14. Sean Tisme

    [At least Sean is walking the talk by only getting $100k a year (after years of building up his business). Keep up the good work Sean, I would hate to see your wage burst (or has it already done so?).]

    There comes a point where you have too much work to make anymore money… but to hire someone will cost you a significant amount.

    I am at that point, hence my complaint about minimum wages.

  15. mexicanbeemer

    Sean

    From reading 14 it appears you are at the point of needing an extra person but are not big enough yet to hire full-time.

    If that is correct, start by hiring part-time then as the business grows in scale you can then increase their hours.

  16. briefly

    [14
    Sean Tisme

    There comes a point where you have too much work to make anymore money… but to hire someone will cost you a significant amount.

    I am at that point, hence my complaint about minimum wages.]

    This would only make sense if your hourly charge-out rate was close to the minimum wage, in which case, it’s hard to see how you can be making much of an income in the first place.

    Rather than complaining about the modest wages available to low-skilled workers – who could not possibly work in IT and who you never employ – you should ask what you can do to attract and retain high-value workers who can improve your business.

  17. briefly

    ST, considering how little regard you have for those who work for others, it is, in fact, highly unlikely that you could recruit and retain talented workers in any case.

  18. briefly

    on that cheerful note, I’m off

  19. DisplayName

    I assume Tisme wishes to hire someone to take over some of his more menial chores and that he doesn’t consider them (the chores) to be worth $25k pa. Is that right?

  20. Yesiree Bob

    Sean Tisme@14


    At least Sean is walking the talk by only getting $100k a year (after years of building up his business). Keep up the good work Sean, I would hate to see your wage burst (or has it already done so?).


    There comes a point where you have too much work to make anymore money… but to hire someone will cost you a significant amount.

    I am at that point, hence my complaint about minimum wages.

    In other words, you’re just Greedy.

  21. CTar1

    DN

    [I assume Tisme wishes to hire someone to take over some of his more menial chores and that he doesn’t consider them (the chores) to be worth $25k pa. Is that right?]

    I assume Tisme wants to employ someone as cheaply as possible to do all of the work.

  22. zoidlord

    @Sean/14

    1. Part-Time.
    2. Contractors.
    3. 457?

    Other options are probably available, now stop complaining about minimum wages, when it effects every one, not just you’re business.

  23. ruawake

    Tism

    How about this, you have too much work available, so you raise your prices.

    Then you make more money from those willing to pay, and others can do the left over work and they make money as well.

    Too simple?

  24. Ian

    If he does it’ll be one of those…Speed up your computer now!!…scams. Though serious consideration must be given to the possibility of tisme being a Nigerian I.T. expert.

  25. Yesiree Bob

    Sean simply objects to others earning enough just to feed themselves.

  26. DisplayName

    CTar, you are a cynic ;).

  27. guytaur

    yb

    ST just wants to drag Australia down to the US level on wages.

    Of course if he was in IT he would realise workers in that sector are the best paid as companies are scared of the maverick start up syndrome if a worker feels underpaid.

  28. DisplayName

    Well at least Tisme knows how to get advice for free.

    Convince a bunch of bleeding heart lefties on an internet forum that he lacks imagination and then talk about his business struggles. They all then leap in with helpful suggestions coz they’re such nice people who like to help those in need ;).

  29. AussieAchmed

    100k? I make more than that on my superannuation and thanks to Abbott people like me are even better off.

  30. ruawake

    DisplayName

    I am amazed at how many small businesses are actually a job creation scheme for the unemployable.

    Get a payout and start your one man (or woman) consultancy.

  31. lizzie

    Some people have forgotten the financial advantages that immigrants bring to Australia. Also, how many skilled workers amongst the boat refugees are we ignoring?

    [The number of young doctors trained in the UK or Ireland but now working in Australian A&E departments has soared by 69% from 285 in 2008 to 481 last year, the study shows.

    Dr Cliff Mann, president of the College of Emergency Medicine, which represents A&E doctors, said the growing exodus of registrars represented “a colossal loss of talent by A&E units which cannot afford to lose them” at a time when demand from patients has reached unprecedented levels.

    He said the trend was “an unacceptable waste of taxpayers’ money, because each of these UK-trained registrars has cost about £610,000 over the five years of their medical degree and subsequent five years as a junior NHS doctor”.

    There are now so many registrars from the UK and Ireland in Australian emergency departments that they comprise almost one in four (23.1%) of the workforce there, according to the Australian College of Emergency Medicine.]

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/dec/27/exodus-nhs-doctors-australia

  32. guytaur

    lizzie

    In the meantime will Manus and Nauru be options Morrison will consider?

  33. CTar1

    lizzie

    [If Morrison grants a protection visa to this lady, I wonder what SH-Y’s reaction will be?]

    Scooter will hire a paddle-boat and sign the approval while out on Lake Burley Griffin.

    It will be an ‘on-water operational matter and therefore ‘Secret’.

  34. ruawake

    lizzie

    Hasn’t Morrison done a TPV fiddle by saying no protection visas will be granted until next year?

  35. CTar1

    rua

    He’s already taken that Regulation back as it was going to be challenged in the HC.

  36. lizzie

    I don’t think Morrison actually knows what he’s doing at the moment, but if he tries to send the Ambassador home he’ll cop everything but the kitchen sink, therefore he’ll break his own “rules” if he thinks it necessary, and that will be UNFAIR.

  37. AussieAchmed

    Abbott reckons Australia is a great place…

    just not the place to have your family holidays!!!

  38. ruawake

    AA

    Shhh there could be a European Aviation strike brewing, Abbott could be stranded until rescued by the RAAF.

    Or maybe he could find a boat to cruise on. 😆

  39. zoidlord

    @AA/38

    Apparently no one but them is allowed to take holidays, with low wages, and high living conditions.

  40. zoidlord

    High costs of living* @ 40.

  41. PeeBee

    Lizzie ‘Some people have forgotten the financial advantages that immigrants bring to Australia.’

    That may not be a financial advantage if. Similar proportion of who they attend to are also immigrants. That they bring both financial advantages and financial liabilities.

  42. mexicanbeemer

    Increasing prices wont necessary make a business more profitable as higher prices will reduce the quantity demanded from customers and the level between the two will be determined by local market conditions.

  43. PeeBee

    Sean, you don’t make sense. Last night you said you were on a high hourly rate and only make $100k because you don’t work many hours (giving you time to reno the bathroom and post here).

    Now you are saying you are flat out and have too much work!

    Which is it?

    If you have too much work, you are ideally place to take on labour. The thing with a successful business is having some one buy what you have to offer. It sounds like you are in that situation (at least what you have said today). You have to negotiate a cost with your client a charge out rate of say 2.5 times the salary you pay your employee. Problem solved and you are well on the way to retirement.

    I would say the problem in your field is the low ‘barrier to entry’. Why would an employee work for you when they could go to your client and ask for the 2.5 times what they are getting from you and set up in competition to you.

    Your problem has nothing to do with high minimum wage. If you paid what you want to pay an employee, they would walk.

  44. mexicanbeemer

    DN

    Yes i think we should e sending Sean the bill for services provided by the PB business consultancy firm.

  45. Mr Pajama Pudding

    Tisme has built an IT business “over many years”, yet he cannot afford staff on the minimum wage??? Forgive me, but BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Surely this is bullsheet?

    I’ve been working in IT for 16 years. The first 3 years were running my own business, then I joined a company as IT Manager for a decade, before returning to running my own IT business due to a turn for the worse in my life partner’s health. I now work from home on a part time basis, in-between caring for my partner.

    It’s not difficult for an IT business to make a good profit, assuming the business owner has the relevant expertise, is willing to work hard and has the ability to communicate effectively with customers. The last bit is the most important: if you arent a very good listener, your IT business will struggle to retain customers and your business will eventually fail.

    I think it’s hilarious that someone encumbered by the cognitive dissonance displayed by Tisme is even able to use a computer, much less run an IT business and service the demanding customers IT professionals must accommodate. This gives us clues as to some of the sources of Tisme’s many prejudices and his bitter heart – he has to deal with customers who expect an IT service provider to know how to solve complex problems!

    It’s no wonder he can’t afford employees, especially given the amount of time he wastes trolling Poll Bludger…

  46. AussieAchmed

    PeeBee

    Posted Saturday, December 28, 2013 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    Lizzie ‘Some people have forgotten the financial advantages that immigrants bring to Australia.’
    ——————————————-

    Immigrants made Australia the great nation it is today.

    Although we do have one trying to tear it down. Bloody Abbott!!!!

  47. lizzie

    AAchmed

    I am very pleased that someone who is as financially secure as you seem to be is still a Labor supporter. Shows a good conscience 🙂

  48. lizzie

    AA
    Hope that didn’t sound patronising. I certainly didn’t mean it to be.

  49. Bobalot

    PeeBee@44

    Sean, you don’t make sense. Last night you said you were on a high hourly rate and only make $100k because you don’t work many hours (giving you time to reno the bathroom and post here).

    Now you are saying you are flat out and have too much work!

    Which is it?

    Someone lying on the internet? Who would have thought.

  50. Kinkajou

    Todgers business,

    launching spambots?

  51. guytaur

    Interesting

    “@JustJen64: #auspol It was suggested by others on twitter and I wish we could Vote on it but @MalcolmFraser12 for GOVERNOR GENERAL ..”

  52. PeeBee

    AA ‘Immigrants made Australia the great nation it is today.’

    Immigrants have had both a positive and negative effect on Australia. They have stolen the country from the original inhabitants, they have depleted resources and produced blighted areas. They altered the natural environment and are responsible for mass extinctions and introduced feral animals and plants that are now pests.

    On the others and, they have made it a rather pleasant place to live, where the majority of the population live in relative prosperity.

  53. MTBW

    guytaur

    Wouldn’t that give Tony the shites!

  54. AussieAchmed

    lizzie

    Posted Saturday, December 28, 2013 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    AA
    Hope that didn’t sound patronising. I certainly didn’t mean it to be.
    ———————–

    I took it as intended.

    Been Labor since I was 15 yr old….ain’t changing….there’s never been a decent alternative that has a conscience, cares about the people and the workers.

    For all the billionaires and Sean’s of the world they seem to ignore the fact that without that minimum wage worker nothing would happen…the country would stop…

  55. DisplayName

    Assuming Tisme is genuine then he should have a discussion with Compact Crank about opportunity cost – only if because that’s CC’s favourite topic :P.

    It’s probable that even with paying an employee more than what their work is worth he will still earn more himself simply because his time will be freed up for more profitable work.

  56. Carey Moore

    [“@JustJen64: #auspol It was suggested by others on twitter and I wish we could Vote on it but @MalcolmFraser12 for GOVERNOR GENERAL ..”]

    If that ever happened, I’d love to see supply blocked.

  57. AussieAchmed

    Sean’s IT company

    International Tupperware

  58. CTar1

    kinkajou

    [launching spambots?]

    Manually, one at a time.

  59. dave

    One of the Bludgers who is a genuine IT specialist ought asked truthie a techie question ?

  60. DisplayName

    dave, IT is a huge, diverse field.

  61. MTBW

    Carey

    [If that ever happened, I’d love to see supply blocked.]

    Very clever!

  62. dave

    DisplayName@61

    dave, IT is a huge, diverse field.

    Of course it is.

    Roll out the questions folks…

  63. DisplayName

    It would help if he told us which part he specialises in :P.

  64. DisplayName

    I must get my tenses sorted out one day :P.

  65. Carey Moore

    “Have you tried turning it off, then on again?”

  66. lizzie

    PeeBee
    [Immigrants have had both a positive and negative effect on Australia. They have stolen the country from the original inhabitants, they have depleted resources and produced blighted areas. They altered the natural environment and are responsible for mass extinctions and introduced feral animals and plants that are now pests.]

    “Advanced” societies have done that wherever they have replaced the original inhabitants. Humans are generally a very destructive species.

  67. PeeBee

    AA, I must live in a cocoon, I honestly don’t know how a family could live on an income of $100k. I guess people on such a low incomes survive by sending their kids to government schools and don’t have hospital cover and use public hospitals. I can’t see these people think they get a better deal under the coalition. It might be a snob thing or basic stupidity, but surely people must see that giving women of merit $75k for six months (compared to Sean’s $100k for the year) to have a baby isn’t right.

    I guess some people just like to self harm and vote coalition.

  68. dave

    DisplayName@64

    It would help if he told us which part he specialises in .

    Good chance every question won’t be his field.

    He is lying anyway – as he does here over and over again.

  69. lizzie

    Carey

    I always laugh at that, but the crazy thing is, it works 😆

  70. Carey Moore

    [I always laugh at that, but the crazy thing is, it works ]

    Aye, 99% of my computer problems are solved by restarting.

  71. CTar1

    DN

    [It would help if he told us which part he specialises in]

    😆

  72. guytaur

    Wilf Oats looking to finish in 30 minutes crossing storm bay pictures live on 24

  73. ruawake

    Question for Tism

    When asked to press “any key” where is it located on a qwerty keyboard. 🙂

  74. mexicanbeemer

    Lizzie

    Part of the reason why the ALP lose support amongst people that are financially successful is the ALP from time to time doesn’t make them feel wanted.

    Which is ironic as many of the policies which have enhanced living standards were introduced by ALP governments.

  75. CTar1

    guy

    [Wilf Oats looking to finish in 30 minutes crossing storm bay pictures live on 24]

    Is that the Viking entry?

  76. mexicanbeemer

    As i am not a techie (nor am i tone either)

    Is the best way to deal with a computer

    a-Yell at the monitor
    b-Kick the hard-drive
    c-Throw the PC out of the window

    Please noting too technical

  77. Yesiree Bob

    ruawake@74

    Question for Tism

    When asked to press “any key” where is it located on a qwerty keyboard.

    Eh Sean, wheres the cup holder on my PC ? 😀

  78. lizzie

    mexican

    I thought that once our basic needs were satisfied, we were supposed to aspire to greater things. But it appears that some million/billionaires simply aspire to more money.

  79. mexicanbeemer

    Lizzie

    I am not referring to million/billionaires but rather people one responsible incomes or even in certain industries are not always made to feel welcome.

  80. CTar1

    guy

    12 Hours earlier than the last prediction I heard last night!

  81. Darn

    Has William forbidden any commentary on the cricket or is there just nobody here who’s interested in it?

  82. ruawake

    If you ask successful business people why they are in business, making money comes last. If you ask failed business people why they were in business, making money comes first.

  83. Socrates

    On immigration, we are all immigrants. Even among Aboriginal Australians, there were three waves of arrivals, with the latter two displacing the earlier ones. They only survived in Tasmania, prior to the arrival of white immigrants. See “Continent of Hunter Gatherers” by Harry Lourandos.

  84. CTar1

    Darn – People just losing interest now, I think.

  85. Boerwar

    KEY discussions about the future of health reform have been put on hold for six months to see whether the federal government has the money and motivation to push for further improvements.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/government-puts-key-talks-on-health-reform-on-hold-for-six-months/story-fn59nokw-1226790862873

    Either Dutton has reform fatigue or he is just plain fatigued.

    Alternatively, they have decided to save the nasties until after the re-run of the WA Senate vote.

  86. BK

    [Either Dutton has reform fatigue or he is just plain fatigued.]
    Or useless!

  87. Boerwar

    [zoidlord
    Posted Saturday, December 28, 2013 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Sean has the gauls to complain about him making $100k and no hire anyone.]

    That’s right. Blame the french.

  88. Socrates

    Sean
    [There comes a point where you have too much work to make anymore money… but to hire someone will cost you a significant amount.

    I am at that point, hence my complaint about minimum wages.]
    That would make you better off, but the potential assistant worse off. Unless that person had no other possible job available, that is a loss for our economy. Driving wages down lowers GDP. GDP would be increased if you could find a way to do all the work yourself, i.e. making you more productive. Unless there is no other IT company capable of doing what you do, from an overall point of view it makes no difference whether you do the extra work or a competitor.

    This is the difference between public policy and private interests, which most libertarians either do not get, or care about.

  89. dave

    [ KEY discussions about the future of health reform have been put on hold for six months to see whether the federal government has the money and motivation to push for further improvements. ]

    Translation – lets get a few of the by elections, state elections and any senate re-run out of the way first. Also lets make sure we don’t drop even further in the polls.

    Early 2014 the libs play Mr Nice Guy.

    Play being the key word.

  90. guytaur

    Ctar

    Yeah. Looks like they have really been pushed along. No suntanning on that boat.

  91. Tricot

    Cm@8

    Moi! Surely not.

  92. confessions

    [Alternatively, they have decided to save the nasties until after the re-run of the WA Senate vote.]

    They’d be mad not to. WA voters have already experienced the nasties from a state Liberal govt, and are well attuned to the litany of broken promises.

  93. ruawake

    [Either Dutton has reform fatigue or he is just plain fatigued.]

    Dutton’s job is to do nothing and try and keep Health of the agenda as a media issue.

  94. lizzie

    mexican

    [people on responsible incomes or even in certain industries are not always made to feel welcome]

    I knew you weren’t only talking about $bnaires and I have noticed you sometimes react at critical comments not necessarily directed at you. There are some heavy prejudices revealed amongst bludgers which are probably typical of the gen popn, not just Labor. That’s the price we pay for enjoying meeting a broad sample. It’s the posters who think we all have the same attitudes (“leftie, boo”) that I find childish.

  95. ruawake

    Do people on “responsible incomes” require Government assistance? It seems that people who object to means testing are those with the means to be tested.

  96. lizzie

    PeeBee

    [I must live in a cocoon, I honestly don’t know how a family could live on an income of $100k. I guess people on such a low incomes survive by sending their kids to government schools and don’t have hospital cover and use public hospitals.]

    Was this a spoof or did you mean it?

  97. guytaur

    Hobart. 8 pm and still sun shining for yacht race finish.

  98. dave

    ruawake@98

    Do people on “responsible incomes” require Government assistance? It seems that people who object to means testing are those with the means to be tested.

    A legacy of howard.

    Prior to him both sides of politics broadly agreed that only the genuine needy would receive welfare, with the exemption of child endowment which was pretty modest.

    Universal access to medical cover was/ is outside general welfare as is access to a good education irrespective of economic background.

    howard did it because the money was there and his media went along with it with few exceptions such as Gittens and a few others.

  99. guytaur

    @Leroy_Lynch: The bureau issues a cyclone warning for coastal areas of WA, from Kuri Bay to Broome and south to De Grey. http://t.co/6UhNI3VfWh

  100. zoidlord

    @Dave/92

    So what about “Welfare” reforms then Mr Libs?

  101. dave

    Z – not sure what point you are making ?

    More Info.

  102. imacca

    [We are currently in a wage bubble and with increasing unemployment it just proves that it is unsustainable.]

    And your basis for making this statement is??

    Or are you just letting your inner moron out to play…..again??

  103. Boerwar

    Sigh. Wish I was in a wage bubble.

  104. Boerwar

    C

    I wish the Pannawonicans all the best.

  105. guytaur

    “@abcgrandstand: BREAKING: Wild Oats has crossed the #SydneytoHobart finish-line to win a record-equalling 7th consecutive line honours. #RSHYR”

  106. Steve777

    Labor does not ‘hate’ people on high incomes. If someone has done well through working hard, working smart or plain good luck, that’s great. May they and their families enjoy the fruits of their efforts. Having done so well, they don’t need subsidies or handouts. And, like those on more modest incomes in the PAYE system, they are required to make a fair contribution to creating and maintaining the stable, peaceful space (Australia) where they have done so well.

    Don’t imagine we’ll be hearing any politician, certainly not on the conservative side, saying anything like “Ask not what your country can do for you…” in this current Age of Entitlement for the elite (the real elite, those who control the wealth).

  107. imacca

    [Sigh. Wish I was in a wage bubble.]

    So do I, but if i was i’m sure some prick like ST would come along and pop it.

    Funny how supposed “business” people consider that “market” forces are good except when applied to the labour market?

    OK, i will concede they generally consider that “market” forces are a good thing in calculating a senior execs remuneration. 🙂

  108. lizzie

    My New Year wish: that people on blogs and Twitter who post articles more than 24 hrs old (i.e. not currently “new”) would provide a date.

  109. mexicanbeemer

    Lizzie

    Its not so much reacting but more the enjoyment of being part of an argument, sometimes i say things to see if its a sound idea or if its an unworkable one.

  110. CTar1

    Do the people who do commentary on live sport have a clue what they’re talking about?

    Mostly not, I think.

    The first boat crosses the line and they’re going on about the whole crew hitting the Hobart pubs and bars tonight.

    At least half the crew if not more on the leading boats are paid professional yacht racers.

    They’ll be more interested in seeing if they can get a flight out of Hobart tonight on their way home.

  111. zoidlord

    @Dave/105

    Search Kevin Andrews, and you will get most of the reports on what they are doing.

  112. guytaur

    Ctar

    Yes. I do note the sailing journalist said those not flying out will party on.

    Easy to miss the note of reality amongst the amatuars talking up the drinking culture.

  113. rossmcg

    A page or so back AussieAchmed explained why he was a labor man. That resonated with me. I first voted in the 1972 Federal election and I can say that since then I have never seen a coalition government, federal or state, who didn’t have reducing workers wages and conditions on its agenda.
    A few of them tried to hide it, but as people like to say these days, it’s in their DNA.
    I was in a workplace where we were negiti

  114. lizzie

    mexican

    Understand. 🙂

  115. dave

    [ Search Kevin Andrews, and you will get most of the reports on what they are doing. ]

    ?

    You are the one trying to make a point – whatever that is.

    Search Google yourself if you need help.

  116. rossmcg

    …. Bloody ipad, we were negotiation new agreement under the shadow of workchoices and the effect on a unionised used but not militant workforce was to turn them from being largely happy productive people to a surly bunch given to standing around talking. The management saw what was happening and came up with a deal fairly quickly.
    You can only push people so far before it starts to hurt your business.

  117. zoidlord

    @dave/120

    Yeah, and?

    I was asking if other things are on hold, or just the libs being selective.

  118. confessions

    [Do the people who do commentary on live sport have a clue what they’re talking about?]

    Are you seriously asking this having listened to the commentary associated with three cricket Test matches?

  119. dave

    [ I was asking if other things are on hold, or just the libs being selective. ]

    So why do you ask me ?

  120. zoidlord

    @Dave/124

    Well, it was you’re post.