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Jan 6, 2014

Seat of the week: Barker

A conservative rural seat since the dawn of federation, Barker is under new management after Tony Pasin defeated incumbent Patrick Secker for Liberal preselection ahead of the 2013 election.

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Blue and red numbers respectively indicate booths with two-party majorities for Liberal and Labor. Click for larger image. Map boundaries courtesy of Ben Raue at The Tally Room.

Barker encompasses South Australia along the Victorian border from Mount Gambier north to the Riverland and its population centres of Renmark, Loxton, Berri and Waikerie, extending westwards to the mouth of the Murray River and the towns of Angaston and Murray Bridge 75 kilometres to the east of Adelaide. It has existed since South Australia was first divided into single-member electorates in 1903, at all times encompassing the state’s south-eastern corner including Mount Gambier, Bordertown and Keith. From there it has generally extended either westwards to the Fleurieu Peninsula and Kangaroo Island or, as at present, northwards to the Riverland. The former territories were lost when Mayo was created with the expansion of parliament in 1984, but recovered from 1993 to 2004 as Mayo was drawn into Adelaide’s outskirts. The Riverland was accommodated by Angas prior to its abolition in 1977, and by Wakefield from 1993 to 2004. Barker’s present dimensions were established when South Australia’s representation was cut from twelve seats to eleven at the 2004 election, causing Barker to take back the Riverland from a radically redrawn Wakefield, while Mayo recovered the Fleurieu Peninsula and Kangaroo Island.

The areas covered by Barker presently and in the past have long been safe for the conservatives, the Riverland last having had Labor representation when Albert Smith held Wakefield for a term after the 1943 landslide. Barker has never been in Labor hands, nor come close to doing so since territory in southern Adelaide was ceded to the new seat of Kingston in 1949. Archie Cameron held the seat for the Country Party from 1934 to 1940, having been effectively granted it after helping facilitate a merger of the state’s conservative forces as the Liberal Country League while serving as the Country Party’s state parliamentary leader. Cameron succeeded Earle Page as federal parliamentary leader in 1939 but was deposed after the election the following year, causing him to quit the party and align himself with the United Australia Party and then the Liberal Party, which has held Barker ever since. He was succeeded in Barker on his retirement in 1956 by Jim Forbes, who was in turn succeeded in 1975 by James Porter.

Porter was defeated for preselection in 1990 by Ian McLachlan, a former high-profile National Farmers Federation president whom some were touting as a future prime minister. He would instead serve only a single term as a cabinet minister, holding the defence portfolio in the first term of the Howard government, before retiring at the 1998 election. McLachlan’s successor was Patrick Secker, who led a generally low-profile parliamentary career before being unseated for preselection before the 2013 election. Despite endorsement from Tony Abbott and moderate factional powerbroker Christopher Pyne, Secker reportedly lost a local ballot to Mount Gambier lawyer Tony Pasin by 164 votes to 78, with a further 40 recorded for Millicent real estate agent and Wattle Range councillor Ben Treloar. Pasin picked up a 3.5% swing at the election and holds the seat with a margin of 16.5%.

William Bowe — Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe

Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, is one of the most heavily trafficked forums for online discussion of Australian politics, and joined the Crikey stable in 2008.

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3,554 thoughts on “Seat of the week: Barker

  1. Schnappi

    Nothing to do with Barker.

    Think ex veterans may be intrested in PUP Veterans Policy.

    http://www.robmessenger.com/page5400407

    Especially the Back Pay Item

  2. Socrates

    Cory Bernardi, Minister for Bigotry, rails against women’s rights, and almost anyone who is not a christian, respectable, anglo-saxon professional (CRAP), in his new book, “Cory Goes Bananas”
    [One of Tony Abbott’s backbenchers has accused some women of using abortion as “an abhorrent form of birth control” and labelled those who advocate pro-choice as “pro-death.”

    Liberal Senator Cory Bernardi has made the comments in his new book, The Conservative Revolution, in which he also calls for more flexible industrial relations laws, including a return to individual workplace agreements whereby penalty rates can be negotiated away.

    Senator Bernardi also rails against non-traditional families, surrogacy and euthanasia and calls on fellow conservatives to help to reverse the trends in social acceptance of changing attitudes.]
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-06/cory-bernardi-says-pro-choice-is-pro-death/5183852

    Well if anyone was wondering whether here was anything left fighting for in politics, Cory reminds us there are still people out there who would prefer to destroy 100 years of social progress if we let them. Cory would prefer to turn Australia into a replica of Chile under Pinochet.

  3. lizzie

    Bernardi’s back to the 18th century book, reviewed by Latika. You will note the repetition of the “infamous” label, which was only the media blowing up the final joke made by Julia and ignoring the essence of the speech.

    [In her infamous “blue ties” speech, delivered shortly before she was dumped as prime minister, Julia Gillard warned that “men in blue ties” would seek to make abortion rights their “plaything” if the Coalition won office.]

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-06/cory-bernardi-says-pro-choice-is-pro-death/5183852

  4. Bushfire Bill

    The Antarctic story running hot in Murdoch rags is pure “Pub Test”.

    It appeals to all the smartarses who would rather mock their enemies than debate them.

    The Oz, today, is currently running a generally negative story, basically asserting that the passengers on the ship have frivolously caused a lot of trouble, put others in danger, may be the focus of an international incident between the US and China and generally behaved like spoilt brats.

    US drawn into pack ice rescue saga

    The Antarctic stranding and rescue, which will potentially cost ship owners and governments several millions of dollars, has been reported around the world.

    The stranding has also caused major disruption to a highly anticipated Chinese Antarctic program and frustrated the work of French and Australian scientists.

    After the passengers were plucked to safety, debate started on whether there should be greater restrictions on Antarctic tourism.

    Australian Marine Safety Authority general manager John Young has said tourist ventures should be allowed but lessons from the Shokaliskiy stranding may inform future protocols.

    It has been revealed that the Shokalskiy had only five days of supplies left when the passengers were evacuated on Thursday.

    French Polar Institute director Yves Frenot told AFP the “pseudo-scientific expedition” had drained resources from the French, Chinese and Australian scientific missions in Antarctica.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/us-drawn-into-pack-ice-rescue-saga/story-fn59nm2j-1226795444311#

    “Those Warmists, they’re just bad news all ’round.”

    At a barbecue I attended over the weekend, the host mentioned the story in a bad light. He’d cottoned onto the “irony” angle – “Warmists On Ice!” – and applied Barbecue Stopper tactics to it.

    It was his place, his food, his beer and his pool, so no-one really wanted to start a big argument about Global Warming, and how ice in one place can be a symptom of warming in another.

    I invited him to walk three metres and look inside his precious mega freezer, where he would find a warm compressor, running on electricity, and warm refrigeration coils supporting sub-zero temperatures inside the chamber of the freezer as a kind of illustration of how heat applied in one area can incite cold somewhere else in the same system, but he’d made his Barbecue Stopper point and wasn’t going to be diverted from it.

    “Who wants to holiday in Antarctica anyway? When there are beautiful beaches to swim at? Wankers!”

    QED.

    Hey, it was someone’s 40th birthday. Let’s not argue politics. Suddenly incontrovertible science is just another political shitfight, and we don’t discuss politics over pizza and snags.

    Double-QED.

    The Oz story today cites the Wall St. Journal as a source. The other day I saw a clip from Fox News, mocking the tourists as well. It seems Murdoch is running a multinational Barbecue Stopper, using the kind of twisted logic that appeals to those who have given up on rational thought and just want to score a cheap laugh in-between beers.

    It’s a disgrace, of course, but we are being “governed” by a bunch of frat-boy level reactionary politicians who honed their people skills in the corridors of St. John’s College and the dormitories of exclusive boarding schools.

    Global Warming has morphed from a scientific issue to a political one, and hence all the phoney political rules apply. It’s just another proxy battle between Left and Right.

    “Balance” is one of the main weapons used. That’s “Balance” as in “Fair And Balanced”.

    It’s difficult for a journalist keen to keep his or her job, or to stay on the Press Release drip-feed, to report on Global Warming without, at some stage in the story or article, acknowledging that some people disagree with the “theory”.

    The ABC here in Australia is particularly prone to this strategy. Abbott, in making Global Warming “political” has forced the ABC to present – po-faced – the “alternative” line: that “some people say” it’s just a figment of some tit-sucking scientist’s imagination, and a convenient vehicle for “The Left” to suck more taxes out of beleaguered battlers, struggling with Cost Of Living increases.

    As worldwide temperature records are broken, year by year now, providing – if nothing else, and at the very least – pause for thought on whether Global Warming is a current, and not just a future reality, every excuse under the sun is being trotted out to put off the day when finally we have to face up to the fact that the world is slowly cooking itself to death.

    That “Serious” newspapers, such as The Australian and the Wall St. Journal are running (and inspiring) the same line that my half-drunk barbecue host was running, using the same socio-political pressure – it’s impolite to argue with your host, as it’s impertinent for the ABC to give “unbalanced” coverage – is a terrible shame.

    The end result of more delay, as we in Australia – one of the worst offenders in the CO2 pollution stakes – wind back our Climate Change response to virtually tokenistic level, can only be bad.

    But it doesn’t seem to worry those to whom governance is a week-by-week (if not day-by-day) battle to win the polls long enough to complete the real agenda of handing over a nation’s treasure to their mates.

  5. lizzie

    Why is AGW scepticism a conservative attitude? It wouldn’t be about fear of losing power and profits, would it?

    [Thousands of people have lost power and about 200 have seen their homes flooded over the past few weeks, putting David Cameron under pressure over cuts to the Environment Agency’s budget.

    . . .

    However, Labour accused Owen Paterson, the Conservative environment secretary of ignoring the increased risk of flooding because he is sceptical about climate change science.

    Maria Eagle, the shadow environment secretary, said Paterson had questions to answer about why he was allowing cuts at the Environment Agency that could affect Britain’s ability to deal with severe weather incidents.]

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jan/05/uk-prepare-extreme-weather-floods?CMP=twt_fd

  6. Greensborough Growler

    The most interesting thing about that story on how Abbott came to their 1 million job estimates are the words “a coalition insider said”.

    Who’s leaking and why?

  7. guytaur

    Regarding Senator Corgi Bernadi

    How to lose the WA Senate election in one easy lesson.

  8. guytaur

    Senator Bernadi on 24 in about 5 minutes or so

  9. Boerwar

    In stunning news today the ACCC has urged the Abbott Government to privatize the ACCC.

    There is absolutely no need for taxpayers to subsidise huge salaries for ACCC workers, announced the ACCC.

    The work done by the ACCC can easily done through competitive tendering by multi-national companies based in Switzerland and India with huge cost savings to Australia.

  10. Greensborough Growler

    Guytaur,

    Bernardi is a side show.

    His comments are highly unlikely to influence the voting patterns of people in WA some months hence.

    You really do get over excited, don’t you.

  11. guytaur

    GG

    Wrong as you will see.

    Bernadi is lead story for ABC today.

  12. Greensborough Growler

    guytaur,

    Bernardi has been spouting variations of the same rubbish for years. Are you telling me the Libs smashing victory in September was due to a negative reaction to his burblings.

    You really have NFI.

  13. fredex

    I read the link, thanks BK, and was struck by:

    […a Coalition insider says….]

    Oh dear, there are some rats in the ranks.
    Then I saw the GG had beaten me to it.
    Oh well, its worth repeating cos this leak by this COALition insider is worth emphasizing.

    Its purely negative in intent.
    Straight out termite.

    The source is simply anti-Abbott and co, there is no policy issue here, we all know ‘1 million jobs’ is just a slogan so to deliberately bring that to the attention of the public serves no purpose other than leadership rocking the boat.
    Someone, among others maybe, is not a happy chappy.
    Its gotta be a chap doesn’t it, just on the numbers.
    Mal Rainman Turnbull, jolly Joe?

  14. guytaur

    GG

    You really have no idea. These matters count with women voters dismissing them as known variations does not cut it.

    Ask the women on this blog.

  15. lizzie

    guytaur
    Not sure that the Bernardi rubbish will change the minds of conservative voters. I think it will merely cement the antipathy towards the Libs amongst the rest.

  16. zoomster

    Can we please get over the “oh! random violence! this means our society is going down the gurgler…’ stuff?

    I’m not advocating street violence, of course, and am all in favour of steps to reduce it – but let’s not pretend that it is a modern phenomena, or buy into the ‘law and order’ crisis that governments do like to create.

    Street violence has been around probably as long as there has been streets.

    One of my family connections was killed in the 1970s by a gang looking for a thrill kill – his chest was pierced by the stilettos worn by one of the women involved. My brother in law was assaulted for no reason, walking home from the pub in a small country town over thirty years ago.

    There are countless novels on Australian life which describe street violence quite casually, as a fact of life.

    C.J. Dennis’s “The Sentimental Bloke’ (and several other of his poems) portray street violence as a way of life —

    [They scraps in ole Verona wiv the’r swords,
    An’ never give a bloke a stray dog’s chance,
    An’ that’s Romance.
    But when they deals it out wiv bricks an’ boots
    In Little Lon., they’re low, degraded broots.]

    Yes, street violence is a problem. Yes, it should be tackled. Yes, it’s dangerous to walk down the streets of Kings Cross at night (when hasn’t it been?) — but hundreds of people do it every night without ill effects.

    I’m not against discussion of the issues – I’m just against exaggerating them, or using them to suggest that they’re an indication of the decay of society.

  17. confessions

    [Michael Clarke delights in saying, “I told you so!”
    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/teenager-suffers-fractured-skull-after-penrith-assault-20140105-30bkd.html ]

    BK:

    Do you have the Clarke article?

  18. Greensborough Growler

    guytaur,

    Bernardi is talking to his base. It might be small, it might be rusted ons only. But, it is significant and influential. There are plenty of people that agree with what Bernardi is spouting. It’s just you are unlikely to hear from them in mainstream media because these views are not particularly fashionable.

    Anyway you proclaiming that a minor politician will influence an election in another State where he is even less well known in a few months time is simply laughable.

    You need a Bex and a good lie down.

  19. zoomster

    lizzie

    the irony is that conservatives should be the very people pushing for change in this area – conservatism is not meant to be a blind rejection of anything that threatens a status quo. Traditional conservatives place great emphasis on necessary change, supported by evidence and backed by experts.

    What we are seeing is not conservatism in action – Sean is not conservative, for example – but reactionaries.

    Reading articles on Bernardi’s book this morning, you can see his thinking is more aligned with that of the Taliban than that of conservatives.

  20. guytaur

    lizzie

    Senator Bernadi putting abortion on the table can only lose the LNP votes not gain them.

    The only way for Abbott to change this perception is to publicly oppose abortion himself.

  21. guytaur

    GG

    You are ignoring how Bernadi talking to his base looks to swinging voters as the MSM pursues this.

  22. lizzie

    guytaur

    [The only way for Abbott to change this perception is to publicly oppose abortion himself.]

    You mean he’ll tell the truth for once? 😀

  23. Steve777

    Re Socrates @3: I don’t understand why we allow right wing politicians, clergy and others who oppose a woman’s right to choose abortion or contraception to get away with calling themselves ‘pro-life’ and those who disagree with them ‘pro death’ or similar.

    So, they they would insist a child once conceived (or even not yet conceived) be brought into the world in spite of the mother’s wishes or readiness to raise a child. However, they mostly oppose public spending on measures that would improve the start that the unborn child would have in life, including health care, welfare support and public education. In the USA They favour gun ownership. They are usually strongly in favour of the death penalty and very hawkish in matters of war and peace.

    Indeed, concern for life in the womb seems to be inversely proportional to concern for life once the child is born. These crazy white guys are anti-life, not pro-life.

  24. guytaur

    “@latikambourke: Lib Senator Cory Bernadi tells @BreakfastNews there needs to be an investigation into ‘ways’ & ‘measures’ to ‘assist’ in reducing abortions”

  25. Greensborough Growler

    guytaur,

    Bernardi is not interested in swinging voters. He’s interested in propagating his views and consolidating his support among conservative Christians. His views will also resonate with Muslims and other religious groups that oppose abortion.

    As for Abbott, he’ll simply say the LNP is a broad church with views from a cross section of the community. Isn’t that a wonderful thing that all views are canvassed instead of having PC prescriptions on what can be said and thought. Finally, there are no current plans to change any of the laws around this issue.

    And, then he moves on. Everyone’s a winner.

  26. lizzie

    guytaur

    Tie men’s trousers up with black thread? That’s the religious way, as recommended in “Under Milk Wood”.

  27. zoomster

    One very devout Catholic woman I know was shocked to realise that two operations undergone by members of her family would have been described as abortions in Medicare statistics.

    In one case, the baby died in utero at seven months, in the other, scans showed that the baby was alive but had no brain function.

    Changed her thinking about ‘the scourge of abortion’ – or at least, about the random quoting of Medicare numbers.

  28. confessions

    Thanks BK. Johnson was a star.

  29. guytaur

    The truth is the best and effective measure to reduce abortions is sex education and contraception like condoms.

    No pregnancy no abortion.

  30. fredex

    Maybe Cory ought to watch this video in which Hilary destroys one of his Republican mates and explains how abortions can be decreased by respecting women rather than despising them.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH9rC0MaBJc

  31. AussieAchmed

    Abbotts comment on abortion

    ‘The problem with the Australian practice of abortion is that an objectively grave matter has been reduced to a question of the mother’s convenience.’

    Not that far from Bernardi’s

  32. Greensborough Growler

    Ah, Guytaur reverts to the politics of stating the bleeding obvious.

    He’s clearly now on comfortable ground.

  33. guytaur

    GG

    Glad to see you admit you are wrong,

  34. guytaur

    @tveedercom: Transcript of Lib Senator Cory Bernardi on @BreakfastNews this morning #auspol http://t.co/p8pQHx05Cg

  35. Yesiree Bob

    I’ve come to the conclusion that Seaney is Monty Pythons “Black Knight”

  36. Greensborough Growler

    Guytaur,

    Glad to see you still have NFI.

  37. smssiva

    BK

    Re David Rowe. I could not work it out as well.

  38. guytaur

    BK and smssiva

    I think it may be coal exports to China limited by carbon pricing

  39. poroti

    Another Abbott quote.

    [To a pregnant 14-year-old struggling to grasp what’s happening, for example, example, a senior student with a whole life mapped out or a mother already failing to cope under difficult circumstances, abortion is the easy way out. It’s hardly surprising that people should choose the most convenient exit from awkward situations.]

    http://womenagainstabbott.wordpress.com/

  40. guytaur

    GG

    I know losing votes does not win elections.

  41. guytaur

    “@AlboMP: Chatting to @ABC24 at 9am about the extraordinary conservative agenda outlined by Abbott confidante Cory Bernardi in his new book”

  42. Otiose

    BK
    Re Rowe’s cartoon – didn’t China signal reduced requirement for our coal? – Just a guess

  43. zoomster

    [It’s hardly surprising that people should choose the most convenient exit from awkward situations.]

    Yes, some people run away when confronted by an unwanted pregnancy….

  44. Yesiree Bob

    BB

    As worldwide temperature records are broken, year by year now, providing – if nothing else, and at the very least – pause for thought on whether Global Warming is a current, and not just a future reality, every excuse under the sun is being trotted out to put off the day when finally we have to face up to the fact that the world is slowly cooking itself to death.

    They sound like drug addicts, don’t they ?

  45. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    Corgi Bernardi lays a red herring trail for the journos and Twitter to follow.

    So what is really happening today that Peta does not want us to notice?

    Keep your eyes peeled, Bludgers.

  46. Yesiree Bob

    Cori Bernardi is a tit.

  47. guytaur

    Puff

    Publication of book date was made ages ago. If its used as cover it will be the LNP putting out more trash under its cover.

  48. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    guytaur
    That is my assessment. There must be something really nasty happening somewhere.

  49. guytaur

    News 24 its Albo time!!

  50. Yesiree Bob

    Puff, the Magic Dragon.@55

    guytaur
    That is my assessment. There must be something really nasty happening somewhere.

    LNP nasty ?
    No, really ?

  51. lizzie

    Cory replies to a question as to whether his views are being listened to in the Coalition.

    [Bev – Do you feel your views are well heard within the Coalition?
    Cory – Well, they’re certainly heard thanks to shows like the ABC or the media outlets that pick them up but, look, I’m interested in the battle of ideas. The Government will formulate their policy in accordance with their views but I think politicians writing books and discussing issues is really important.]

    We-e-ell, perhaps not so much!

  52. AussieAchmed

    ACCC call for privatisation of Australia Post and Medibank

  53. Fran Barlow

    Psyclaw (from last topic)

    [If Labor MPs are “cohorting” why haven’t they been charged under the “cohorting” laws, by the “cohorting” squad?]

    Coincidentally, I heard Sean Spencer (a character in a light entertainment program called “psych”) use cohort in almost the same way as “Sean” here just a few days ago. Given that that “Sean” is also uttering someone else’s lines and your nym is psyclaw, the coincidence is amusing. I suspect Psych”s scriptwriter should have used the term “confederate”.

    On a separate note, Zoomster above uses “phenomena” as if it described a singular thing. I’ve heard at least two ostensibly well-educated people in the last couple of days adopt this usage in public discourse. One of them was a lawyer. I can’t but wonder why that is. Perhaps phenomenon is simply too hard to say.

  54. Steve777

    Re Guytar @34: The truth is the best and effective measure to reduce abortions is sex education and contraception like condoms.

    True. Although those most vociferous in their opposition to abortion generally oppose these measures as well.

  55. confessions

    [Almost 110,000 WA families stand to lose the Schoolkids Bonus as the Federal Government this week begins what it hopes will be the last round of payments.]
    http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/20614378/axe-hovers-over-school-bonus/

  56. lizzie

    Fran

    As a fellow pedant, I have been hearing the transformation of phenomenon (singular) into phenomena (actually the plural but used as a singular) for several years. The funniest is when people carefully use the plural ‘phenomenas’.

  57. Fran Barlow

    [‘The problem with the Australian practice of abortion is that an objectively grave matter has been reduced to a question of the mother’s convenience.’]

    Even if that were a fair assessment of one woman’s choice I don’t agree that this should bar the choice, or constrain it in any way. FTR I don’t accept that it’s a grave choice. People have surgical procedures for their “convenience” quite regularly. That’s one of the advantages of contemporary life.

  58. Bushfire Bill

    [Senator Bernadi putting abortion on the table can only lose the LNP votes not gain them.]

    Senator Bernardi putting abortion on the table was absolutely predicted by Julia Gillard last year… a prediction for which she was mocked by the Opposition, the media group-thinkers and, to their shame, many feminists, who regarded Gillard as encroaching on their franchise to pontificate about what was and what was not part of the Feminist Agenda.

    I particularly remember Eva Cox’s comments…

    The latest speech infuriated Deputy Opposition Leader Julie Bishop, who said Ms Gillard was a “desperate prime minister leading a bitterly divided party, resorting to the base politics of fear and division“.

    Ms Bishop said Ms Gillard “knows full well that the Coalition will not change the laws regarding abortion, and for her to raise this as an election issue is offensive and she should apologise for her false claims“.

    Feminist commentator Eva Cox said she was “wary” of Ms Gillard’s latest bid to win female votes. “I think it’s a fairly shallow attempt,” she said. “I am much more interested in the policies she’s putting out there, not the rhetoric and there’s nothing new or exciting here for women.”

    Ms Cox took issue with Ms Gillard’s use of the abortion debate, saying it was “not really a federal issue”, and she was just attempting to turn the focus on to Mr Abbott…

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillard-fires-abortion-salvo-in-gender-war/story-fn59niix-1226662153495

    Gillard was absolutely spot-on.

  59. dave

    AussieAchmed@36

    Abbotts comment on abortion

    ‘The problem with the Australian practice of abortion is that an objectively grave matter has been reduced to a question of the mother’s convenience.’

    Not that far from Bernardi’s

    Abbott has a range of people pushing his ideas in public and they wear any blow back.

    Gutless abbott yet again.

  60. Acerbic Conehead

    You’ll remember the very recent scandal surrounding the private company (Serco) that has the contract from governments to manage correctional and detention facilities.

    Seemingly, Serco staff are being stingy with the handing out of tampons. However, one of the staff involved has been overheard singing in the shower his version of the old 1930’s protest song, “Brother, can you spare a dime?”, and puts the blame fairly and squarely on the Federal government.

    There might be some blame-shifting going on, but if you feel like it, sing along in sympathy with him, as he does his Bing Crosby impersonation.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I8-CbJYGMA

    They used to tell us we were building a dream
    Incarcerating the mob
    When there were cons to clamp or illegals to quarantine
    We were always there right on the job
    :- (
    They used to tell us we were building a dream
    With peace and justice to be had
    Why should I be part of a scheme
    Which won’t supply enough pads?
    :- (
    Once we had a system, made merry hay
    Earned money for jam
    Now they’ve cut our budget, we say
    “Sister, we can’t spare a tam”
    :- (
    Before they slashed our budget that day
    Floss, mouthwash and balm
    Were within our outlay
    Now we say
    “Sister, we can’t spare a tam”
    :- (
    Once we gave out insoles, gee they worked well
    For those whose shoes didn’t quite fit
    Now the Feds need to hold on to them because
    They’re always putting their foot in it
    :- (
    Say, don’t you remember, when sponges were plentiful
    Bountiful, not a problem
    Now the Feds keep ‘em and sponge off the taxpayer, sayin’
    “Sister, as with sponges, we can’t spare a tam”
    :- (
    Once we had a system, made merry hay
    Earned money for jam
    Now they’ve cut our budget, we say
    “Sister, we can’t spare a tam”
    :- (
    Once toilet paper, ah gee we provided well
    The dunnies were rolling in it
    Now the government doesn’t supply any
    Need it themselves, cos they’re so fulla shit
    :- (
    Once we had a system, made merry hay
    Earned money for jam
    Now they’ve cut our budget, we say
    “Sister, we can’t spare a tam”

  61. dave

    poroti@45

    Another Abbott quote.


    To a pregnant 14-year-old struggling to grasp what’s happening, for example, example, a senior student with a whole life mapped out or a mother already failing to cope under difficult circumstances, abortion is the easy way out. It’s hardly surprising that people should choose the most convenient exit from awkward situations.


    http://womenagainstabbott.wordpress.com/

    Yeah – like abbott walking (running ?) away from the same sort of situation.

    Gutless.

  62. confessions

    [a prediction for which she was mocked by the Opposition, the media group-thinkers and, to their shame, many feminists,]

    As well as some of the whiteanters in her own Caucus. Remember Husic and co wearing nothing but blue ties to ridicule her observations? And when was the last time we saw Abbott in a tie of any colour other than blue?

  63. Fran Barlow

    YB

    [Cori Bernardi is a tit.]

    So he has gone from being a dog to a bird? 😉

  64. DisplayName

    The plural of sheep is sheepen.

  65. confessions

    And Eva Cox also praised Abbott’s regressive PPL scheme. I wonder how she’s going to feel when it gets dumped.

  66. billie

    Cori is a Labor weapon

    How many women can afford to pop out babies because their contraception failed? Most households rely on 2 adult incomes to cover the rent / mortgage. As my sister pithily remarked when pregnant with number 3 “this is the last, we won’t be able to drive a normal car if we have more than 3 kids – as she booked husband in to have the snip”

    Cori is also espousing a return to Workchoices, just to keep the employees on side. Smart contractors know that if permanents conditions get eroded then so will their conditions

  67. psyclaw

    Fran

    When one listens carefully, malapropisms occur with surprising frequency on telly and radio.

    Other things besides poor word knowledge are probably at work (haste, stress, unfamiliarity with the subject matter, distractions etc) and there is no opportunity to have a retake.

    In most cases I suspect the speaker is well aware of their error on review, if not immediately.

    It is a bit different in the written form where it is not “live to air” and we all presumably try to monitor for errors. There, poor word knowledge is more likely to be in play.

    In ST’s case maybe the lack of understanding comes the original writer of his copy source???

    BTW I have noticed that since ST’s NY “resolution” to be a kinder person, some of the posts have become wider in their topic scope and maybe even more discussive in nature.

    Has a new worker taken over duties for 2014?

    Regarding “phenomenom” I am glad you included “ostensibly” in your comment. Can one ever be fully educated without a working knowledge of Latin and Greek !!!!

  68. Fran Barlow

    Lizzie

    [As a fellow pedant, I have been hearing the transformation of phenomenon (singular) into phenomena (actually the plural but used as a singular) for several years. The funniest is when people carefully use the plural ‘phenomenas’.]

    I’ve heard that too, but usually from the less educated. Someone I know used it and in fun I said, “I believe you’ll find that’s ‘phenomenata’ “. 😉

    I am naughty.

  69. guytaur

    @abcnews: #Adelaide has been shaken by an earth tremor, hours after a separate small quake was recorded east of Flinders Ranges http://t.co/08jpy2w4s0

  70. Steve777

    A 2.6 quake is very small. Many, possibly most, would not feel it. The Gulf Region of South Australia is, by Australian standards, a seismically active area. A 5.6 earthquake in Adelaide in 1954 (same reading as the 1989 Newcastle Earthquake) which caused significant damage but no serious casualties: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Adelaide_earthquake

  71. guytaur

    I wonder how the new Senator Lambie is going to react to Senator Bernadi comments. Do not know PUP policy or her personal views and how that may flow on to all issues voted on.

  72. Patrick Bateman

    Fran, forget about the phenomena phenomenon, we need to step in and defend “literally” now before gen Y turns it into “figuratively”.

    I have noticed that in the last 6 months many, many grammatical errors are slipping into the ABC’s online content. They seem to have fired anyone who knows how to write, or possibly they have just misplaced their copy of Fowlers.

  73. Acerbic Conehead

    Smssiva,

    [BK
    Re David Rowe. I could not work it out as well.]

    Our coal exporting prospects to China in the future are stuffed?

    http://www.afr.com/p/national/cartoon_gallery_david_rowe_1g8WHy9urgOIQrWQ0IrkdO

  74. guytaur

    @marqoftheshire: It appears that @corybernardi ‘s crackpot views have spooked even the LNP’s owner, Rupert Murdoch http://t.co/DEH4gzpga3

    #auspol

  75. MTBW

    zoomster

    [I’m not against discussion of the issues – I’m just against exaggerating them, or using them to suggest that they’re an indication of the decay of society.]

    You obviously don’t live in Sydney it is almost one a night here and it is a worry.

    The AHA have too much invested in donations to the Liberal Party.

    There are far too many cases which involve amphetamines and ice and something need to be done to address these problems.

    I just thank God that it isn’t my kids in a coma.

  76. dave

    Acerbic Conehead@82

    Smssiva,


    BK
    Re David Rowe. I could not work it out as well.


    Our coal exporting prospects to China in the future are stuffed?

    http://www.afr.com/p/national/cartoon_gallery_david_rowe_1g8WHy9urgOIQrWQ0IrkdO

    Where we stand in relation to the Chinese ?

    Who needs who the most ?

  77. Patrick Bateman

    [Yes, some people run away when confronted by an unwanted pregnancy…]
    Or reporters with unscripted questions. How many press conferences have lost their chance at life when Abbott has callously aborted them?

  78. lizzie

    Fran and Patrick

    For some time I have been annoyed at the “Microsoft-ation” of Australian English. Spellcheck is a treacherous invader.

    Oh, and wrt to the pronunciation of “router”. I thought “rowter” was simply the computer version until I heard Stephen Fry say “rooter”, obviously following the English-French route.

    Perhaps the Americans are too prissy to say rooter!!

  79. Asha Leu

    @guytaur 80

    I’m pretty sure she’s pro-life. I seem to remember an interview shortly after she was elected where she said she had fairly conservative views about those sorts of social issues.

  80. Patrick Bateman

    [There are far too many cases which involve amphetamines and ice and something need to be done to address these problems.]
    This might sound ridiculous but I think you have to put ice is a special category alongside heroin in terms of its destructive capabilities and addictiveness.

    I’d say speed is somewhere in the middle, a problem but nothing like as bad as ice.

    One thing we need to look at urgently is abandoning the ridiculous American notion that all “drugs” (except alcohol… and nicotine… and caffeine…) are equally terrible and that prohibition and criminalisation is the key. Hell, even the US is slowly abandoning that. While we continue to equate ice/meth with weed and ecstasy, we’re effectively trying to fight against the recreational habits of half of young people instead of the addictions of a tiny percentage who are the real problem users.

  81. lizzie

    Patrick

    I have thought that for some time.

  82. mari

    Re Cory Bernardi views, I put 2 tweets on about that, one on what Julia Gillard warned , the other the abc link, I have never had such a huge response before a lot from people tweeters I hadn’t heard from before, I don’t think it is popular somehow. :devil: They are still coming in

    BTW to date not a troll in sight

  83. guytaur

    Asha

    Thanks for that. No likely change on this issue due to votes then. 🙁

  84. zoomster

    MTBW

    Increased reporting of a particular crime doesn’t mean there’s actually an increase in crime (which is my point).

    From the Sydney crime map –

    [SYDNEY Local Government Area

    Oct 2012 to Sep 2013

    Non-domestic assault incidents

    2 year trend: Down 4.1% per year

    Rate per 100,000 population: 1966.2

    NSW rate per 100,000 population: 474.0]

    And the stats —

    http://www.bocsar.nsw.gov.au/agdbasev7wr/_assets/bocsar/m716854l3/nswrecordedcrimestatisticssep2013_sa4.pdf

    Assaults in Sydney has been consistently dropping over the past few years.

  85. Patrick Bateman

    [Oh, and wrt to the pronunciation of “router”. I thought “rowter” was simply the computer version until I heard Stephen Fry say “rooter”, obviously following the English-French route.]

    [Perhaps the Americans are too prissy to say rooter!!]
    Interesting one – seems to me that if they invent something, they can probably decide how it’s pronounced. Plus as someone who used to work in computer science in Australia, I’m quite happy that I didn’t spend my time talkign about ‘rooters’.

    A point of controversy in the Australian comp sci world is gigabyte – apparently originally intended to be pronounced “jigga bite” rather than with a soft g. I had one professor who studiously pronounced it the ‘right’ way to much hilarity. Sounds like a Will Smith album to me.

  86. zoomster

    Drat – by reporting, I mean ‘media reporting’.

    But the statement remains true either way – for example, this paper
    http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/tandi/341-360/tandi359/view%20paper.html

    suggests that some apparent crime increases are due to people (including the police) being more willing to report a crime, rather than the incidence of a crime increasing.

  87. Patrick Bateman

    zoomster – you would think that sexual assaults in particular would have been reported at an ever growing rate as a percentage of actual crimes occurring. In my lifetime (early 30s) I think it’s gone from a somewhat taboo issue to one we as a society now discuss quite freely.

  88. zoomster

    [Perhaps the Americans are too prissy to say rooter!!]

    My mother’s name is “Ruth”. My father, a Lithuanian immigrant, couldn’t pronounce ‘th’ and was thus too embarrased to say her name.

    My name is the nickname he came up with to get around the problem!

  89. MTBW

    zoomster

    Point taken but it is the increase in fatal violence that is the problem.

    See Thomas Kelly!

  90. Patrick Bateman

    MTBW –

    The murder and homicide rates are both declining in Australia.

    http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide.html

  91. Patrick Bateman

    Sorry, murder and manslaughter.

  92. Rossmore

    A particularlly irksome development is the growing encroachment of the Amercan ‘z’ in verbs and nouns: realize instead of realise and so on. There should be a campaign to save our s and ban the z.

  93. MTBW

    PB

    That may be so but what about the brain damages and the effects on families that the so called “king hit” disgrace that appears in Sydney nearly every second week.

    It is no consolation for those families who have to deal with it.

    The perspective is very different for those poor souls and their families.

    Maybe there are some things worse than death.

  94. zoomster

    rossmore

    bit late – I was being taught that ‘s’ and ‘z’ were interchangeable in words like ‘realise’ in the seventies.

  95. zoomster

    MTBW

    all that PB and I are doing is pointing out that these reported incidents do not mean there’s been an increase in violence on the streets.

    We still deplore the violence — but to hype it up to be something it isn’t is playing right into the ‘law and order’ meme the Liberals like to push.

  96. MTBW

    “of the so called “king hit”.

  97. DisplayName

    Is that a zee or a zed?

  98. zoidlord

    1. So we have Senator Bernadi on “individual work contracts” which is the start of IR2.0

    2. We have the ACCC telling gov (which I find very hard to believe) that we should sell government assets?

  99. zoomster

    I hope Cory never reads the Bible. Jesus handing out the loaves and fishes to those people too irresponsible to bring their own lunch just encouraged an entitlement mentality amongst his followers.

  100. bemused

    Asha Leu@89

    @guytaur 80

    I’m pretty sure she’s pro-life. I seem to remember an interview shortly after she was elected where she said she had fairly conservative views about those sorts of social issues.

    I really object to the adoption of the term pro-life by a certain narrow group, with the deliberate intent of falsely labelling their opponents, as Bernardi has done explicitly, pro-death.

    It is disgusting, abhorrent and calculated. It needs to be turned back on them. 😡

  101. Rossmore

    Zoomster, 104, that may be so I suppose, but in my case old habits die hard. I refuse to use z – it’s omnishambling English.

  102. Patrick Bateman

    [There should be a campaign to save our s and ban the z.]
    I read a really interesting article not long ago about how the ‘z’ actually came from England, not the US!

    Here we go:

    http://theconversation.com/its-time-to-recognize-and-internalize-the-us-suffix-ize-19828

    Don’t necessarily agree with the conclusion that we should go back to it, but it was not what I assumed in terms of the history.

  103. WeWantPaul

    [I really object to the adoption of the term pro-life by a certain narrow group, with the deliberate intent of falsely labelling their opponents, as Bernardi has done explicitly, pro-death.

    It is disgusting, abhorrent and calculated. It needs to be turned back on them.]

    I can’t stand Bernardi, but it is not an all together unfair characterisation?

  104. Patrick Bateman

    [That may be so but what about the brain damages and the effects on families that the so called “king hit” disgrace that appears in Sydney nearly every second week.]
    Sure, it’s a problem – but unless you’ve got stats, I don’t accept that it’s a growing problem.

  105. rossmcg

    Zoomster

    Gold! My dear old mum would like to meet some of our so-called Christian leaders and point out that Jesus hung around with fishermen and dodgy women, helped the sick and the poor and was a very forgiving person.

  106. bemused

    Rossmore@102

    A particularlly irksome development is the growing encroachment of the Amercan ‘z’ in verbs and nouns: realize instead of realise and so on. There should be a campaign to save our s and ban the z.

    Sign me up! 😛

  107. bemused

    zoomster@104

    rossmore

    bit late – I was being taught that ‘s’ and ‘z’ were interchangeable in words like ‘realise’ in the seventies.

    Another failure of the education system. 😀

  108. Patrick Bateman

    [I can’t stand Bernardi, but it is not an all together unfair characterisation?]
    Are you pro-death when you cut living cancer cells out of your body and kill them?

    Are you pro-death when you scratch your arse and kill a few skin cells?

    It’s a stupidly emotive term which equates “killing” an undeveloped bundle of cells with murdering a sentient adult for political purposes. And it’s profoundly offensive to women who have had abortions, which very frequently are for medical reasons and profoundly distressing.

    To tell a woman who has lost a pregnancy that they are “pro death” is about as offensive as it gets, actually.

  109. zoomster

    WWP

    ‘pro abortion’ makes me think of people rushing up to pregnant women in the street, waving pamphlets and saying, “You know, you don’t HAVE to have that baby.”

    Pro-choice is a far more accurate term.

  110. zoomster

    bemused

    I’m on the record – frequently – as saying that the sixties and seventies weren’t that great when it comes to public school education.

    Fortunately, things improved in the eighties.

  111. bemused

    Patrick Bateman@118

    Well said Patrick!

    It is deliberately calculated to offend and it is disgusting.

  112. bemused

    zoomster@120

    bemused

    I’m on the record – frequently – as saying that the sixties and seventies weren’t that great when it comes to public school education.

    Fortunately, things improved in the eighties.

    Evidence please.

  113. Patrick Bateman

    Instead of slagging off education in the 70s, read the link I posted above about z and s – I was as militant as you but it’s not so clear cut, actually.

  114. zoidlord

    Now we know the truth about Gov doing $6 dollar fee on GP visits, plans to sell Medibank.

  115. zoomster

    bemused

    why? you didn’t provide any.

  116. bemused

    zoomster@125

    bemused

    why? you didn’t provide any.

    I relied on what you provided. Thank you. 😀

  117. Rossmore

    Patrick Bateman, thanks for the link on s and z. Interesting piece. I suppose it’s an aesthetic thing at the end of the day. When I see z replacing s I just gag at the crassness. It just doesn’t feel right, like the aftertaste of a McDonald’s burger or an Abbott smile.

  118. zoomster

    PB

    for the record, I’m perfectly comfortable with using ‘z’ and ‘s’ interchangeably, and that are a lot of so-called “Americanisms” have simply preserved the accepted English at the time of colonisation.

  119. zoomster

    bemused

    You’re the one who claimed the education system was failing. I’m asking you to provide proof of that.

  120. bemused

    Patrick Bateman@123

    Instead of slagging off education in the 70s, read the link I posted above about z and s – I was as militant as you but it’s not so clear cut, actually.

    I always thought that the Americans had picked up English spelling and made subsequent modifications which I therefore rejected as aberrations.

    However, more recently I have read that American English actually preserves some older spellings that were abandoned by the English themselves.

    A chap by the name of Noah Webster had a fair bit to do with this.

  121. bemused

    zoomster@129

    bemused

    You’re the one who claimed the education system was failing. I’m asking you to provide proof of that.

    I merely cited the evidence you provided.

    I did High School in NSW and it was more rigorous than anything I subsequently observed my kids doing in Victoria in the 1980s & 90s.

    My Victorian peers also seemed to have received a good secondary education in the 1960s. I can’t comment on the late 60s through to the early 80s.

  122. Rossmore

    I believe the ABC and the federal and state bureaucracies’ style guides still insist on z not replacing s … a small comfort I suppose.

  123. WeWantPaul

    [WWP

    ‘pro abortion’ makes me think of people rushing up to pregnant women in the street, waving pamphlets and saying, “You know, you don’t HAVE to have that baby.”

    Pro-choice is a far more accurate term.]

    I’m on your side but I can see (no to be fair I’ve had the discussion with an intelligent conservative) they would say pro-choice is quite misleading as without abortion there are a whole range of choices available to the mother.

    The comparison by the pro-choice side to miscarriage and cancer is at least as offensive as Bernardi and that is no mean trick.

  124. lizzie

    I have always been a paranoid user of the ‘s’, but someone linked recently to an explanation that the z is ‘correct’ when something is actively transformed. So realise should be s, but standardized, evolving from standard, should be z.

    And the excuse that ‘gotten’ is correct because it’s ‘old English’ has never persuaded me. What happened to ‘all language is always changing?’ 😆

  125. Rossmore

    The purest form of English I believe is NZ English. That is, the NZ vernacular is closest to how English was spoken in the first half of the 19th century England. Something to do with distance and isolation. A good reason I would contend for not slavishly preserving old English, with apologies to the NZers on here.

  126. Fran Barlow

    PB

    [Interesting one – seems to me that if they invent something, they can probably decide how it’s pronounced. Plus as someone who used to work in computer science in Australia, I’m quite happy that I didn’t spend my time talkign about ‘rooters’.]

    Speaking as someone who teaches IT in a secondary school, I’m never pronouncing it like that.

  127. zoomster

    bemused

    as I was in schools daily for most of the sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties and zeroies, my experience outweighs yours.

    (Oh, I know a lot more teachers, as well…)

  128. bemused

    zoomster@137

    bemused

    as I was in schools daily for most of the sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties and zeroies, my experience outweighs yours.

    (Oh, I know a lot more teachers, as well…)

    I defer to your greater experience of bad educational practice. 😉

  129. Rossmore

    Zoomster, surely Zeros?

  130. don

    lizzie@87

    Perhaps the Americans are too prissy to say rooter!!

    No, that’s not it – root as in sexual congress does not exist for them.

    They are always ‘rooting for the home team’.

  131. zoomster

    rossmore

    Yes, but I liked zeroies better….

    bemused

    hence I recognise improvements when I see them.

  132. lizzie

    don

    OK.
    Actually, I have heard both rowt and root pronunciations from Americans (as in Route 66″). I think it might depend on state of origin.

  133. bemused

    zoomster@141


    bemused

    hence I recognise improvements when I see them.

    Or you confuse change with progress. 😛

  134. don

    Rossmore@102

    A particularlly irksome development is the growing encroachment of the Amercan ‘z’ in verbs and nouns: realize instead of realise and so on. There should be a campaign to save our s and ban the z.

    While I agree, the z and the s are actually interchangeable in correct English spelling.

    The Yanks don’t ever use the s form.

    But there is also history – gotten is my favourite. It is actually an old form of English which the colonists took to NA, and never lost, while it went out of favour in the homeland.

    It now survives only in the archaic ‘ill-gotten gains’.

    I like gotten, I often use it as appropriate.

    We used to use fall for autumn, but it was pushed out by the use of the anglicised French word.

  135. don

    zoomster@137

    bemused

    as I was in schools daily for most of the sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties and zeroies, my experience outweighs yours.

    (Oh, I know a lot more teachers, as well…)

    Zoom, it is not like you to play that card. For shame.

  136. bemused

    Hi don.

    You made a comment yesterday about the physical property of water expanding when it freezes as being important to the existence of life. Can you explain why?

  137. don

    lizzie@142

    don

    OK.
    Actually, I have heard both rowt and root pronunciations from Americans (as in Route 66″). I think it might depend on state of origin.

    It is confusing. Sometimes they will ask ‘what rowt should I take?’

    Then somebody else will say ‘Root 66’

  138. Fran Barlow

    I came across this site while browsing the web for furniture. It’s way out of my budget and made in Turkey of all places and I’d go nuts keeping the four-legged household members off it so I won’t be buying it, but I just found it so gorgeous that I thought I’d share.

    http://www.namedesignstudio.com/htmls/Patchwork.html

  139. Rex Douglas

    Senator Bernardi is a coward.

    He would form and lead a breakaway party if he had the courage of his convictions.

  140. psyclaw

    Zoomster

    You say education improved in the 1980s!!!!

    I have heard you self describe as a teacher …. let me guess…. a secondary teacher?

    No objective assessment of education in the 80s when the ill researched American based “whole language” took off here could award that period as being one of “improvement”.

    In NSW it coincided with the rise of the “consultancy”. This new arm of the bureaucracy presented a new career path (in the main taken up by females) for those tired of classroom practice who were gifted at, and preferred to spend days “teaching teachers” ….. and so came the rise of the public funded, free lunch talk fests which invariably shared a common feature …… no basis of orthodox research.

    Now most capable teachers saw through the crap being “taught” and simply enjoyed the day away from school.

    But unfortunately the upper echelon boffins (ie the inspectors) especially those who liked disciplining teachers joined in, and in many places insisted that the new “whole language” be taught, and be exclusively taught, in the form some pretty young consultant had explained it to them.

    And who were the inspectors …. at that time across NSW 80%+ were ex-secondary, specialist subject teachers who knew as much about the teaching of literacy as the typical primary teacher knew about advanced physics.

    I am familiar with numerous cases where primary schools were banned outright from teaching spelling (you learn to spell by just doing lots of writing and spelling experiments … eventually by osmosis you stumble on the correct form …. every educator knows that!), and where teaching the various methods of word attack (ie what options are available when you stumble on unfamiliar words in text) were banned. Banned by ex secondary teacher inspectors.

    And the biggest “crime” of course was the banning of any aspect of teaching phonics … why on earth would you need an understanding of phonics in a phonetically based language system …. you know it makes sense! ( …. eat more lamb says Sam and your reading and writing will look after itself!!)

    And now people wonder why so many teachers in the 30 to 45 age range who were “educated” themselves in the 80s can’t spell, know nothing of the structure of language, and cannot write a sentence with any degree of structural or vocabulary sophistication.

    Nah. Things didn’t improve at all in the 80s in schools.

  141. zoomster

    don

    bemused is using the fact that he once knew someone who attended a school as the basis of his expertise on education – so I’m just using the same criteria he’s using.

  142. zoomster

    psyclaw

    they did in Victoria, which is the state both bemused and I am talking about.

    I’ve taught in NSW too – they were still using sixties style teaching methods in the late ’90s, still streaming students and relying heavily on chalk and talk.

    I hadn’t seen an overhead projector in Victorian schools for decades – they were still standard in NSW, with students diligently copying down notes by the page.

    It’s a very different system to Victoria.

  143. zoomster

    Interestingly, the NSW teachers union is wussy compared with Victoria’s – thus teachers have had more control over teaching methodology.

  144. bemused

    zoomster@152

    psyclaw

    they did in Victoria, which is the state both bemused and I am talking about.

    I’ve taught in NSW too – they were still using sixties style teaching methods in the late ’90s, still streaming students and relying heavily on chalk and talk.

    I hadn’t seen an overhead projector in Victorian schools for decades – they were still standard in NSW, with students diligently copying down notes by the page.

    It’s a very different system to Victoria.

    Sounds good to me!

    And don’t kid yourself that streaming doesn’t take place in Victoria. It should and does. Despite the dominant ideology seeking to prohibit it.