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Jan 13, 2014

Morgan: 52.5-47.5 to Labor

The Christmas-New Year poll drought ends courtesy of a new result from Morgan, which suggests little has changed over the break.

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Morgan has released what it describes as the “first major public opinion poll of 2014”, though it could just as easily have dropped the “major”. It provides no indication of festive cheer softening attitudes towards the new government, showing the Coalition down 1.5% on the primary vote to 39% with Labor also down half a point to 38%, the Greens up half a point to 10.5% and the Palmer United Party steady on 3.5%. That translates to a 53-47 lead to Labor on 2013 preference flows and 52.5-47.5 on the headline respondent-allocated figure. As has been Morgan’s form for a while now, this poll combines its regular weekend face-to-face polling with SMS component, in this case encompassing 2527 respondents from the two weekends past. The first Essential Research result for the year should be with us tomorrow.

UPDATE: Little change also from Essential Research, which opens it account for the year with a result from the polling period of Friday to Monday only, rather than its two-week rolling average. This has the Coalition leading 51-49, with the Coalition, Labor and the Greens each up a point on the primary vote to 45%, 38% and 8% respectively, with the Palmer United Party steady on 4% and others down two to 6%. Also featured are the monthly personal ratings, showing a slight improvement for Tony Abbott – up two on approval to 47% and down three on disapproval to 43% – and a softening for Bill Shorten, down four to 35% and up one to 32%. Preferred prime minister is little changed, Abbott’s lead shifting from 43-33 to 42-31. The poll also finds strong opposition to fees for GP visits, with 28% approving and 64% disapproving, and 47% support for Australia becoming a republic at the end of the Queen’s reign against 32% opposed.

William Bowe — Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe

Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, is one of the most heavily trafficked forums for online discussion of Australian politics, and joined the Crikey stable in 2008.

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1,586 thoughts on “Morgan: 52.5-47.5 to Labor

  1. zoomster

    Mr Morrison was the one who decided that there should be weekly press briefings, rather than ad hoc announcements.

    Now Mr Morrison has decided there should be ad hoc announcements.

    Therefore the previous government’s approach to press conferences was right and Mr Morrison’s wrong — that is, if you hold the belief that Mr Morrison intends to brief the press even ad hoc-ly.

    My own belief is that Mr Morrison has abandoned the idea of holding press conferences altogether, which would surely make him unique in the world of politics.

  2. davidwh

    Think Big even the unconfirmed report from an anonymous Indonesian official didn’t allege any shots were fired at the alleged boat or people.

  3. prettyone

    “The conspiracy theory that the Government is somehow hiding boat arrivals is the stuff of Green Left Weekly or Socialist Alliance level thinking.”

    The ALP/Greens indicate they think Mr Morrison is lying and therefore lying in parliament.

    That would be a truly serious situation.

  4. davidwh

    Pretty One that’s politics not treason.

  5. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    fess
    But he isn’t kissing Abbott’s aske. He is putting his community first. Ergo, he has to be a Union Heavy Guy democratically elected shire president of CI.

  6. Carey Moore

    [I thought it was pretty funny. In much the same vein of those who suggested Abbott could have committed treason over the Slipper issue.]

    It was stupid then and it’s stupid now. Our elected governments are not the state.

  7. briefly

    1466
    PeeBee

    The min temp story is even more pronounced than the max record, PB, you’re quite right.

  8. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    fess
    We are dealing with right-wing molluscs on this blog, don’t expect critical thought processes.

  9. Yesiree Bob

    Anybody who supports the Abbott Government on this is just as much a cowardly suckhole as Abbott,Morriscumbag and the rest of their so-called “christian” mates, and can go to damn hell as far as I’m concerned.
    I wouldn’t even piss on these lowlives if they were on fire.

  10. briefly

    [1473
    confessions

    briefly:

    The BoM rocks. My fear is the numpty coalition govt will do something stupid and either privatise it, or try to force it to abandon climate modelling and the like.]

    They will do their best to nullify it, confessions. They really are detestable.

  11. Think Big

    davidwh:
    [Think Big even the unconfirmed report from an anonymous Indonesian official didn’t allege any shots were fired at the alleged boat or people.]

    Oh well then I guess that makes it completely OK then…. O_o

    Maybe Morrison could clear up for us what actually happened? Oh wait.

  12. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    Yesiree Bob
    I wouldn’t let my dog p!ss on them.

  13. prettyone

    Sorry guys, but when you infer that a General of the ADF is telling lies to suit a government in power, you’re looking at anti-Australian behaviour at the very least in a subjective opinion, but objectively it’s treason, as you are working against Australia’s security.

  14. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    Never mind traitor to the country, anyone who supports Abbott and co are traitors to their species.

  15. davidwh

    Think Big even firing shots in the air is inappropriate, severely so, if it in fact did happen. Perhaps it did but I would be very disillusioned if we had done something like that.

  16. mexicanbeemer

    But surely they would be better to encourage research after all it would be a far better option to encourage research and who knows maybe one day evidence will emerge that says earlier models were incorrect.

    It would be far better to find any such evidence than too just sit in ignorance and hope it will all go away.

    If the science is right it would be better to see and react to it rather than do nothing.

  17. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    Pretty One.
    I hope you are because your brain is not going to get you anywhere.

  18. Wakefield

    Prettyone 1499 – you obviously have no idea about treason so best to avoid showing more ignorance – on your definition Abbott would have be guilty of treason for threatening Australian security

  19. briefly

    Boats or no boats, the day-to-day story for Australians hasn’t changed. Incomes are under pressure, business investment and jobs growth are feeble, the budget is deteriorating, industry policy has been abolished, the cuts to health, education and social income support are coming…and the Abbotteurs remain determined to undo every single positive energy/environmental policy we have.

  20. zoomster

    I’ve said it before – the big danger (for the Government) of Morrison’s approach is that it will create a perception (which may well be true, of course) that the government isn’t being open and honest.

    Given that, people will tend to believe sources other than the government, even where these sources are dubious.

    The problem Morrison will face is that once these rumours take hold, it’s very hard to refute them.

    I don’t know whether the Navy fired on asylum seekers or not. It’s quite possible we’ll never know either way. But many people who hear it will take it as gospel truth, and will thus be more ready to believe similar rumours — and Morrison will have a nice little snowball built on rumour and innuendo which he won’t be able to unroll easily…partly because he’s encouraged people to distrust him.

  21. Sean Tisme

    What the left is in desperate need of is another Children Overboard moment.

    Sure you stopped the boats like you said, and extremely effectively, but you did XXX(which was of no real importance like children overboard which was just pollies stretching the truth) and we will crap on about it for 10+ Years to make up for our morale loss.

  22. jules

    Whose species – us humans or Abbott and co?

  23. mexicanbeemer

    Sean

    The only way there could be another overboard situation is if Morrison mishandles the communications and thus far he is leaving himself open.

  24. briefly

    1507
    Sean Tisme

    You wouldn’t know left or right from upside down.

  25. confessions

    [Incomes are under pressure, business investment and jobs growth are feeble, the budget is deteriorating, industry policy has been abolished, the cuts to health, education and social income support are coming…and the Abbotteurs remain determined to undo every single positive energy/environmental policy we have.]

    And this begs the question as to why the govt is making such a big issue out of boats.

  26. mexicanbeemer

    Actually did Sean ever answer the question i saw posted the other day as to what is a lefty.

  27. mexicanbeemer

    Worst still its supporters can’t bring themselves to discuss the economy.

  28. Carey Moore

    [What the left is in desperate need of ]

    Desperate? Have you looked at the polls?

    Methinks you’re a tad on the delusional side.

    (And before you point out that polls could change, that is true but the left side of politics are not in a desperate position right now)

  29. Yesiree Bob

    DavidWH

    Think Big even firing shots in the air is inappropriate, severely so, if it in fact did happen. Perhaps it did but I would be very disillusioned if we had done something like that.

    I really wouldn’t put it past them, and they likely get away with it too.
    The majority of Australians are dumb, racist, insular, shitheads, and this reptilian Government feeds of that.

  30. AussieAchmed

    If Sean’s IQ was any lower he would need watering twice a day

  31. briefly

    [1511
    confessions

    ….this begs the question as to why the govt is making such a big issue out of boats.]

    Precisely. Soon enough, boats will fade from view. Voters will regard the likes of ST as a public nuisance, and they will focus on the rising cost of fuel, negligible income growth, the (absurd) cost of housing, the weakness in the labour market and the loss of jobs in manufacturing, the threat to those on low-middle incomes of higher taxes….and the most frequently discussed subject of all: the weather.

  32. confessions

    [Worst still its supporters can’t bring themselves to discuss the economy.]

    That frightful budget emergency simply died overnight.

    Whatever happened to that?

  33. Rossmore

    Has the shooting on AS boats been verified? I think/sicerely hope it is unlikely.

  34. mexicanbeemer

    Which may flow though to the ASX which will see weaker returns as grow in earnings decline so it will soon become difficult to find anyone financially better off under this government.

  35. confessions

    briefly:

    And interest rates.

  36. AussieAchmed

    I’m still trying to find one policy introduced by Abbott that hasn’t benefitted the wealthy at the expense of low income workers, disabled or real working poor.

  37. Yesiree Bob

    AA, you really think a reptilian shit like Abbott cares about us ?

  38. mexicanbeemer

    The direction of Interest Rates will be interesting, we have had the yearly o rates will rise this year talk but i am not so sure, there may be an inflation risk from rising petrol prices as they head towards $2 dollars.

    Housing prices appear to be rising although i have not noticed it on the ground as strongly as the data would indicate.

    The federal budget will depress economic activity which will increase upward pressure on unemployment.

    I’m not quite ready to predict a recession this year but we may go close to at least one negative quarter.

  39. AussieAchmed

    I really wouldn’t put it past them, and they likely get away with it too.
    The majority of Australians are dumb, racist, insular, shitheads, and this reptilian Government feeds of that.
    ——————————————————-

    I disagree, I don’t think the “majority of Australians are dumb, racist, insular, shitheads”.

    I think we have very vocal minority of moronic, red neck, rusted-on right wing xenophobes who have an IQ equivalent to a child’s shoe size that the unethical media spend their time pandering to and quoting.

    The current mainstream media lacks any ethics or professional integrity and that is well reflected in their failure to challenge the inept hypocritical pathetic Abbott lead government.

    Journalists have sold their “souls” in pursuit of the dollar. They have betrayed their profession and the Australian people

  40. deblonay

    As Briefly says the voter will focus’… “on the weather
    ____________________________
    They will an we will see the end of Napthine…..tomorrow all over Melb we face…officially…power cuts due to the overloading of the system…and suburbs will be blacked out at different times to spread the load..today Weribee/Mornington/….tomorrow who knows no waqrning or examptions.. …but in 44deg heat it will be a nightmare,and life threating for some…elderly/new born- bavies’disabled and thosee cronic invalided
    no warning…the powers gone that all….
    we had 4 hours tonight after a power- sub-station”blew” in the heat as did most of our street….My son is angery over the terrible delay on overcrowded delayed train a new problem indeed for Napthine…and worse still the next election in Nov may well be held in bad hot weather days

    so the conservatives must see that CC has political effects…the voters can be very “hot and bothered”

  41. imacca

    [Precisely. Soon enough, boats will fade from view.]

    If Boats “begin to fade from view” i think you can be pretty confident that the Libs will bring them back into sharp focus again.

    And face it, we will always have idiot kool aid addict personas like ST and Petty One around who will recycle their stupidity ad infinitum. While their contributions here do seem to indicate they are too stupid to be functioning human beings, there are actually some brainless twerps out there with similar attitudes.

    Questioning the word of a General is somehow treasonous?? Not uncritically accepting the word of a politician (from a party led by a self admitted liar) is in some way acting to impair Australia’s “Security”??

    This is seriously delusional Petty One.

  42. jules

    Aussie Achmed @ 1516

    There’s a good chance his IQ would improve if he was watered twice a day.

    [Hence the need for plant neurobiology, a new field “aimed at understanding how plants perceive their circumstances and respond to environmental input in an integrated fashion.” The article argued that plants exhibit intelligence, defined by the authors as “an intrinsic ability to process information from both abiotic and biotic stimuli that allows optimal decisions about future activities in a given environment.”]

    This makes a link.

    To the article. About plants being smarter than some.

  43. AussieAchmed

    Yesiree Bob

    Posted Wednesday, January 15, 2014 at 11:32 pm | Permalink

    AA, you really think a reptilian shit like Abbott cares about us ?
    ———————————————-

    I don’t think Abbott, his Party or supporters give a shit about any Australian who can’t afford to drive a Mercedes, live on the water front in Sydeney and have a multi-million dollar holiday home in nearly every country that is dominated by a right wing tea party type party.

    And those that never pay tax on their income while screwing workers for their pittance of an income and wanting to reduce it even further by taking away things like penalty rates.

  44. Yesiree Bob

    Boats
    Global Warming
    Cost of Living
    Economy

    May Abbott be foisted on his own petard.

  45. AussieAchmed

    To the article. About plants being smarter than some.

    So there are plants smarter than Sean?

    Why am I not surprised?

  46. briefly

    [1521
    confessions

    briefly:

    And interest rates.]

    They will be seen to have bottomed during the term of the Labor Government…now on the rise everywhere.

  47. Yesiree Bob

    AA, I know it’s schardenfreud (sp?) but, in a way it would be good if we did go into recession. The “average Australian” probably needs the reality check.
    And the sooner the ALP capitalise on it, the better.
    The fruits there for the picking

  48. Steve777

    Re Climate Change – the science is in.

    Climate Change is happening. Human activity has increased the concentration of CO2 in our atmosphere by about 30% since the Industrial Revolution. That CO2 is a greenhouse gas and that the greenhouse effect is real is as well established as the law of gravity. Without the Greenhouse effect from natural concentrations of greenhouse gases, the Earth would be about 30 degrees cooler (the average temperature on the Moon).

    The climate system is not well enough understood to make detailed predictions as to timelines and detailed impacts of increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases, but they are unlikely to be benign. Nor are natural climate cycles appealed to by Deniers fully understood, least of all by the psuedoscientists, clowns and shills for fossil fuel interests pushing Denialism. In any case, global warming will happen on top of any natural variation that does occur.

    The only ‘debate’ we should be having is what, if anything, we should be doing about warming. Adapt? Try to mitigate? If yes, what’s the best strategy? As for those pushing denial, they deserve no more respect than the Flat Earth Society.

  49. deblonay

    Taking the blame for Iraq War
    _____________________
    The Atlantic Monthly sees both major parties culpable in raking the US into a disasterous and financially ruininous war in Irag…”the greatest stategic error in a generation”

    Now they see,,,but at the time many…democrats and repuiblicans supported Bush…as did sycophants like Blair and Howard…do they yet own up to their criminal part in the debacle..and the huge death-roll

    No sign of Howard showing any contrition…and Blair was in Israeli today praising that old gangster-murdered Charon at the funeral…perhaps Blair and some of the British Labour Party leaders all ought be tried for war crimes…as Sharon deserved to be

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/01/the-gop-isnt-the-only-party-with-an-iraq-war-prob

  50. bemused

    Rossmore@1519

    Has the shooting on AS boats been verified? I think/sicerely hope it is unlikely.

    WHAT???
    These things just get a life of their own on PB.
    The allegation was that shots had been fired in the air.

    A stupid and totally unnecessary action if it happened, but certainly not in the league of firing on boats.

  51. AussieAchmed

    The trouble we have in Australia is that our super rich, Gina/Twiggy/Palmer, are really not really that clever.

    No offence meant but you don’t have to be clever to keep digging holes.

    Really smart types would see the money to be made by investing in renewable energy. Those holes can only be dug so deep before there is nothing left to dig

  52. bryon

    Re 1402. A friend of fathers reckoned he was ordered fire off the loaded torpedo tubes on the Canberra as the expected to sink and when he followed their tracks he realised one had hit the USS Chicago. So who knows but would be sweet revenge if the woz da Bagley wat hit the Canberra.

  53. Acerbic Conehead

    Fran,

    [PO
    Those kind of assertions would be treason, in my books.

    Which books would they be?]

    Her books of nursery rhymes. Still at that stage unfortunately.

    http://www.powerfulwords.info/nursery_rhymes/remember_remember_the_5th_november.htm

  54. AussieAchmed

    night all.

    I’ve put on some music for the plants in the hope it will increase their intelligence. Sean should try the same for himself

  55. confessions

    [They will be seen to have bottomed during the term of the Labor Government…now on the rise everywhere.]

    Yep.

    My own view is the govt will talk about boats early in its term and switch to more substantive matters in the coming years.

    I just hope that the impressions being formed on the new govt and the PM are lasting, and that people hold their views as the years march on.

  56. jules

    I heard they torpedoed the boats and released flying piranhas to mop up the survivors.

    AA @ 1531 if plants have “an intrinsic ability to process information … that allows optimal decisions about future activities in a given environment.” That would certainly indicate that Sean could benefit from their skills. Tho he could be someone having a laugh and illustrating Poe’s Law.

  57. Fulvio Sammut

    Bemused, where in that article posted by Victoria does it say shots were fired in the air?

    It is, indeed an unsourced allegation, but until it is refuted by the government there is nothing else to go by.

    What has the Government got to hide?

  58. leone

    The navy has fired on an unarmed asylum seeker boat before – in October 2001. The boat was the SIEV4, the boat involved in the infamous chlidren overboard affair.

    Abbott copies everything Howard did. Howard was happy for the navy to fire warning shots into the water near an unarmed asylum seeker boat with women and children on board.If Howard thought it was fine to fire on an unarmed boat then Abbott will do the same.

    [After telephone conversations with, and approval from, Commander Joint Task Force 639, I commenced action to compel the SIEV to heave-to to allow my boarding party to embark and eventually commenced firing aimed small arms-5.56 mm Steyr-and 12.5 mm .50 cal machine gun warning shots ahead of the vessel at 0359G on 7 October, and again at 0409G, 0416G and 0420G. The SIEV was, at this stage, well inside the Australian contiguous zone, approximately two to three miles from the Australian territorial waters of Christmas Island, and proceeding directly towards Christmas Island at about seven knots. I need to emphasise that only aimed shots were fired directly into the water, an area 50 feet to 75 feet ahead of the vessel. A searchlight was used to illuminate both the weapon firer and the area in the water ahead of the vessel where the rounds were to land. This ad hoc process was introduced by me to clearly show my intent.

    Statement to Senate Select Committee on A Certain Maritime Incident
    Commander Norman Banks
    25 March 2002]
    http://sievx.com/testimony/individuals/CommanderNormanBanks.html

  59. prettyone

    AA, you really think a reptilian shit like Abbott cares about us ?

    Now guys, I’m self employed making at most $50,000 pa. Conservative values. There are a lot of people around on lowish incomes like me who vote conservative and admire Tony Abbott.

  60. Fulvio Sammut

    Yes, and they are often the idiot children of wealthy over-indulgent parents who have bought them the job.

  61. bemused

    Fulvio Sammut@1544

    Bemused, where in that article posted by Victoria does it say shots were fired in the air?

    It is, indeed an unsourced allegation, but until it is refuted by the government there is nothing else to go by.

    What has the Government got to hide?

    Right here:
    [A local police commissioner from southern Java, who did not want his name or his district published, has told Fairfax Media that villagers plucked a number of asylum seekers from the water a week ago, on January 8, after their boat was turned back by Australia.

    The officer, quoting one of those on board, Snilul, 25, from Bangladesh, said the navy had “shot into the air just to scare them”.
    “The boat hadn’t reached Australia – they were still at sea but they said they could already see Christmas Island,” the officer said.

    “But they said the Australian navy then drove them away and escorted them until they entered Indonesian waters again.”]

  62. prettyone

    “Yes, and they are often the idiot children of wealthy over-indulgent parents who have bought them the job”

    I don’t think you understand the concept of working for yourself. It’s not easy and there’s ups and downs, no sick leave, no 4 week ARL, and Christmas time often brings dow time.
    It’s harder than you might think.

  63. Fulvio Sammut

    Yes, you are quite right, I didn’t see that on my initial reading.

    That at least is something to be grateful for.

  64. bemused

    Fulvio Sammut@1550

    Yes, you are quite right, I didn’t see that on my initial reading.

    That at least is something to be grateful for.

    While the Abbott gang might order worse, I am not sure the Navy would implement the order.

  65. jules

    prettyone

    [There are a lot of people around on lowish incomes like me who vote conservative and admire Tony Abbott.]

    Admire him all you like, i doubt he gives a shit about you. If you earn what you say and live like you claim then its against your own best interests to vote for him, no matter how much you admire him.

    Also if you’re up for it why do you admire him (I promise I won;t laugh if you answer, tho others might.)

  66. Fulvio Sammut

    I know full well how hard it is, I did it for forty years of my life.

    It didn’t turn my brain into such mush that I admired a shallow charlatan like Abbott or voted conservative.

  67. Yesiree Bob

    AA, you really think a reptilian shit like Abbott cares about us ?

    Now guys, I’m self employed making at most $50,000 pa. Conservative values. There are a lot of people around on lowish incomes like me who vote conservative and admire

    And there are some people who take smack, even though it’s detrimental to their health.

  68. silmaj

    1546
    Admiration,I’m not so sure. The main reason people voted for lib was continuous inability of labor to manage a budget. If you don’t manage your budget when self employed your gone.

  69. taylormade

    Briefly 1505 & 1517

    Agree with these posts, fertile ground everywhere for Labor outside of the boats issue, so why is labor still continuing down this line. Do they still maintain the AS policy they took to the election, or are they looking at a more humane approach. Did not Bob Carr warn of the dangers of another backflip just before he stood down.

    If the govt want to crow about stopping the boats, the opposition after making such a hash of it during its term of Govt have just got to suck it up. Labor lost this debate years ago.

    Opposition focus for the long term should be on budget cuts (especially to the low income), NDIS, NBN and direct action, as they will not make any inroads on the boats issue. Any short term issues with Govt AS policy, let the Greens or UNHCR make all the noise.

  70. paaptsef

    [ The allegation was that shots had been fired in the air.

    A stupid and totally unnecessary action if it happened, but certainly not in the league of firing on boats. ]
    Presumably shots in the air are warning that non compliance will result in shots being fired at a target..

  71. prettyone

    “Also if you’re up for it why do you admire him (I promise I won;t laugh if you answer, tho others might.”

    Thank you Jules for asking me but I don’t invite ridicule. My comments will only inflame people here. I was just wanting to say there are many ordinary people like myself who vote conservative.

  72. Fulvio Sammut

    I operated on a substantial overdraft and carried significant mortgages all my business life.

    It didn’t prevent me from accumulating assets or setting myself up for a relatively comfortable retirement.

    There is nothing wrong with judicious debt, and only an idiot would abjure borrowing as a matter of ideology, particularly when the borrowing protects his assets, advances his business and enhances his standard of living.

  73. bemused

    paaptsef@1557


    Presumably shots in the air are warning that non compliance will result in shots being fired at a target..

    It would certainly raise that apprehension.

  74. Yesiree Bob

    Admiration,I’m not so sure. The main reason people voted for lib was continuous inability of labor to manage a budget. If you don’t manage your budget when self employed your gone.

    Yep, bugger saving the nation from the GFC, much better to follow the US, Brittan, and the rest of the OECD into the Great Recession, eh Buddy ?

  75. bemused

    Goodnight all.

    Off to try to get some sleep.

  76. paaptsef

    [ It would certainly raise that apprehension. ]
    So if our Navy is firing warning shots and the criminal captain of a boat full of asylum seekers decides to ignore that warning, what does our navy do next..

  77. Fulvio Sammut

    That will be an on water operational issue for which there will be no answer forthcoming.

  78. confessions

    [The professional fishermen who will patrol West Australian waters as “shark sheriffs” are still to be contracted, despite a State Government deadline passing last week.]

    This has been a balls-up from the get go. Contracting issues, tendering issues, budgetary issues, now recruitment issues.

    If it looks like, smells like and sounds like policy on the run, then it’s most likely policy on the run.

  79. Fulvio Sammut

    You call Barnett’s brain fart “policy”? 🙂

  80. silmaj

    1558
    Borrowing is fine as long as the revenue for repaying is constant and what you’ve borrowed the money for is going to continue long enough to pay the debt.
    1561
    You obviously know where the GFC came from USA , Britain and Europe. You are probably aware how they got there. If we continue as they did b4 the GFC then I guess well all get the chance to see what it feels like.

  81. confessions

    FS:

    Touche.

    Whatever it is, it’s totally unacceptable.

  82. William Bowe

    [ It’s not easy and there’s ups and downs, no sick leave, no 4 week ARL, and Christmas time often brings dow time.
    It’s harder than you might think.]

    You don’t rock’n’roll for a living by any chance?

  83. Fulvio Sammut

    Barnett’s unilateral decree to destroy all 3 metre sharks has as much logic, benefit and substance as the biblical edict to kill each first born son.

  84. Yesiree Bob

    ou obviously know where the GFC came from USA , Britain and Europe. You are probably aware how they got there.

    Thirty years of ongoing tax-cuts to the top tier, combined with a total deregulation of the credit industry, actually.
    That pretty much sums up Coalition policy over the past thirty years.

    Must really irk you lot that Keynes was vindicated over the GFC, eh Buddy ?

  85. Yesiree Bob

    and on that point, it’s time to go sweat

  86. imacca

    [asking me but I don’t invite ridicule.]

    Oh come on, you can expect anyone to take that statement seriously.

  87. silmaj

    Keynes is an unknown to me . Borrowing money that you can’t repay is pretty simple really. It’s a no no.

  88. prettyone

    “You don’t rock’n’roll for a living by any chance?”

    ‘course not, but would you like to hear about some dirty deeds done dirt cheap?

  89. mexicanbeemer

    silmaj

    There is more to Keynes than just borrowing money, it is about supporting the Aggregate Demand side of the economy.

  90. Fulvio Sammut

    And your premise is that the Labor Government couldn’t service it’s piffling budget excess?

    Sorry, you’ve been polite, and you deserve a civil response, so I’ll simply say that your premise is totally unacceptable by any objective economic analysis.

  91. briefly

    [1565
    confessions

    The professional fishermen who will patrol West Australian waters as “shark sheriffs” are still to be contracted, despite a State Government deadline passing last week.

    This has been a balls-up from the get go. Contracting issues, tendering issues, budgetary issues, now recruitment issues.

    If it looks like, smells like and sounds like policy on the run, then it’s most likely policy on the run.]

    Hunting sharks is an idiotic idea as well as a barbaric one. It will only result in the pointless destruction of (endangered) Great Whites that will in any case be replaced by new individuals. The Whites are highly mobile but thinly distributed ocean-going travelers, attracted to the WA coast by increasing numbers seals, sea-lions and whales, and are most likely transiting WA on their way to or from the nursery off Kangaroo Island. Hunting and destroying them will not reduce the threat posed to humans and will only amount to State-sponsored trophy-killing. The other influence on the appearance of ocean-going species such as large hammerheads is the increase in inshore sea surface temperatures, a phenomenon resulting from climate change that obviously cannot be altered by killing anything.

  92. Fulvio Sammut

    Well said, Briefly.

  93. Fulvio Sammut

    I appears that we have been reduced to a small gaggle of West Australians here tonight.

    Did you guys see or hear the little piggy from the Hotels Association squealing that the Liquor recommendations were unfair and the result of the efforts of self interest groups such as the medical lobby and the police, pushing their own agenda against the best interests of the community?

    And he said it with a straight face, too.

  94. Fulvio Sammut

    OK, only one then.

    Good night.

  95. silmaj

    1576 and 1577
    Labor decided to fiscally keep demand going which then put a restraint on the independent monetary tool being used to perhaps the extent it could have been. You must all recall our rates rising while others went to zero. The govt now has a large overdraft and supposed spending increase to come. The low overseas rates have allowed the once were weak business to restructure and are starting to thrive. Aus business never got that chance. We are know in a global economy and govt intervention against the globe is pointless.

  96. briefly

    [1565
    confessions

    The professional fishermen who will patrol West Australian waters as “shark sheriffs” are still to be contracted, despite a State Government deadline passing last week.]

    It will most likely cost at least $4,000 per boat per fishing day to operate the drum-and-line fishing gear mentioned by the Fisheries Department. This would cover the hire of 35-40′ vessels suitable for WA coastal waters, engagement of crew, the supply of fishing gear and bait, and the fuel, lubricants, insurance, maintenance and other running costs. Such boats can set and pull 20 km of gear in a day in seas up to about 4 metres and winds up to about 25 knots, so on most but not all days from October to May along the SW coast.

    So the State will have to provide around $20,000 per fishing day to set and work every 100 km of gear. If they are serious about catching sharks, the budget would need to be enough to run 200-250 km of gear each fishing day, focused only on the most populous areas from Lancelin to Augusta.

    If they target only large White and Bull sharks – say, those over 3m – catch rates will necessarily be very low. This is because the numbers of these sharks is not great, and because they are distributed over great distances and in various parts of the water column all along the coast from beyond Kalbarri to Israelite Bay and The Bight in waters up to 15 km from the shoreline.

    They may catch 1-2 such sharks per 30 fishing days per 100 km of gear, at the absolute most. So the State is going to have to expect to spend between $20,000 and $50,000 per day to engage between 5 and 12 boats at a cost of between $3 and $8 million per season, resulting in the taking of as few as 15-20 very large sharks. Obviously the fishing cost per shark may be very high – as much as $500,000 for each one taken.

    As well, considering these boats will have to be paid even if they catch nothing, there will not be great incentives for the crew to maximise their catching. On the contrary, the incentive will be to operate with as little gear and as few hours as possible each fishing day or trip.

    This is a completely idiotic sham of a policy.

  97. paaptsef

    [ You must all recall our rates rising while others went to zero. ]
    Yes the incompetent Libs ignored 20+ warnings about spending
    and we had about a dozen consecutive rate rises

  98. Otiose

    04:57:00 16/01/2014 ——- Nett_NEWS++™ http://bit.ly/1aQcqOy NB Pique of the Week