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While Terri Butler’s 2.3% buffer at the end of the night is enough to secure her victory, Bill Glasson can at least claim the uncommon feat of delivering a by-election swing to the party in government. The current margin represents a 0.7% two-party swing to the Liberal National Party compared with the September election result, which is likely to widen a little further on postals.

Commentators around the place have been scrambling to place the result into historical context, mostly with reference to the long record of federal by-elections. A general paucity of swings to governments is easy to spot, but closer examination shows how much swings can vary according to the circumstances of the by-election, and how unreliable a guide they can be to a government’s future electoral performance. The last pro-government swing federally was achieved when Carmen Lawrence moved from state to federal politics in Fremantle in 1994, and it was followed by a shellacking for the Keating government at the next general election two years later. The most recent state example I can think of is the Peel by-election in Western Australia in February 2007, when Alan Carpenter’s Labor government boosted its margin 18 months before being dumped from office.

Given the array of circumstances that can bring by-elections about, an effort should be made to compare like with like. Griffith is part of a long tradition of by-elections held when a member of a defeated government decides opposition isn’t for them. Unfortunately, those involved tend to be senior figures representing safe seats which the opposing party doesn’t bother to contest. During its first term, Rudd Labor only took the field when Peter McGauran departed in the seemingly winnable seat of Gippsland, only to cop a bloody nose for its trouble. Few were surprised Labor stayed out of the fray in Higgins (Peter Costello), Bradfield (Brendan Nelson), Mayo (Alexander Downer) and Lyne (Mark Vaile). Labor likewise went undisturbed during John Howard’s first term at by-elections to replace Paul Keating in Blaxland and John Langmore in Fraser.

The one by-election held during the parliament elected in December 1975 was occasioned by the death of Rex Connor, with the remainder of Labor’s diminished caucus staying put. It was a different story early in the life of the Hawke government, as Malcolm Fraser (Wannon), Doug Anthony (Richmond), Billy Snedden (Bruce), Jim Killen (Moreton) and Tony Street (Corangamite) headed for the exit at a time when forfeiting a by-election was still thought poor form. The last useable example in anything resembling modern history is the Parramatta by-election of 1973, which brought Philip Ruddock to parliament.

From this field of seven, the only result to match Griffith is Richmond in 1984, when Labor picked up a slight swing upon the retirement of Doug Anthony. No doubt this reflected an unlocking of the loyalty accumulating to brand Anthony, which between father Larry and son Doug had occupied the seat for an unbroken 46 years. Even so, the other Hawke government by-elections weren’t far behind, with the exception of Bruce where voters seemed to take a shine to Liberal candidate Kenneth Aldred for some reason. Coincidentally or otherwise, the two worst swings, in Gippsland (a 6.1% swing against Rudd Labor in 2008) and Parramatta (a 7.0% swing against Whitlam Labor in 1973) were suffered by the two shortest-lived governments of the modern era.

However, Griffith looks quite a bit less exceptional if the eight state results I can identify going back to the early 1990s are thrown into the mix. Four swings in particular dwarf those in Griffith, the two biggest being at by-elections held in country seats in New South Wales on May 25, 1996. Results in Clarence and Orange provided a fillip to Bob Carr’s year-old Labor government and a severe blow to the Nationals, perhaps reflecting the party’s recent acquiescence to the Howard government’s post-Port Arthur gun laws. On the very same day, Labor had an historically mediocre result against the Liberals in the Sydney seat of Strathfield, and finished third behind the Democrats in the Liberal stronghold of Pittwater.

The third and fourth placed results are from early in the life of the Bracks government in Victoria, when Labor pulled off rare victories in Jeff Kennett’s seat of Burwood in 1999 and Nationals leader Pat McNamara’s seat of Benalla in 2000. Also higher up the order than Griffith is the Elizabeth by-election of 1994, held four months after Dean Brown’s Liberal government came to power in South Australia. This may have indicated the popularity of outgoing member Martyn Evans, soon to be Labor’s federal member for Bonython, who had been designated as “independent Labor” for most of his ten years as a state member. Rob Borbidge’s Queensland government of 1996 to 1998 did less well, with the looming Liberal collapse in that state foreshadowed by swings to Labor in the Brisbane seats of Lytton and Kurwongbah.

All of this is laid out in the chart above, which ranks swings to the government (positive at the top, negative at the bottom) from the eight federal and eight state by-elections just discussed. Red and blue respectively indicate Labor and Coalition governments, the lighter shades representing state and the darker representing federal. Stats enthusiasts may care to know that the model y=10+44.3x explains 38% of the variability, where y is the government’s eventual longevity in office measured in years and x is the swing to the government across 15 observed by-elections. For what very little it may be worth, the positive 0.5% swing in Griffith associates with 10.3 years in government.

Saturday

# % Swing 2PP (proj.) Swing
Timothy Lawrence (SPP) 570 0.8% +0.7%
Geoff Ebbs (Greens) 6,890 10.2% +0.3%
Christopher Williams (FFP) 651 1.0% +0.3%
Karel Boele (IND) 458 0.7%
Anthony Ackroyd (BTA) 526 0.8%
Anne Reid (SPA) 379 0.6% +0.1%
Terri Butler (Labor) 26,356 39.0% -1.6% 52.5% -0.5%
Melanie Thomas (PPA) 1,051 1.6%
Travis Windsor (Independent) 585 0.9%
Ron Sawyer (KAP) 694 1.0% +0.4%
Bill Glasson (Liberal National) 29,456 43.6% +0.9% 47.5% +0.5%
FORMAL/TURNOUT 67,616 71.2%
Informal 2,093 3.0% -1.8%
Booths reporting: 42 out of 42

Midnight. Finally got around to adding the Coorparoo pre-poll voting centre result.

9.22pm. Or perhaps not – Coorparoo pre-poll voting centre still to report, which is likely to amount for a lot – 5859 votes cast there at the federal election.

8.51pm. Morningside 2PP now in, and I’d say that’s us done for the night.

8.36pm. Camp Hill reports 2PP, leaving just Morningside. Glasson and LNP reportedly not conceding, but 2.4% leads (which accounts for the fact that the LNP is likely to do better on postals – Labor’s raw lead is 3.3%) don’t get overturned on late counting.

8.29pm. That’s all the fixed booths in on the primary vote; the outstanding ones referred to in the table are special hospital booths that may not actually exist (but did in 2013). Camp Hill and Morningside still to come in on two-party, and then I think we’re done for the night. It’s been a pretty quick count.

8.03pm. Two more booths a slight move to the LNP.

8.00pm. Four more booths in and a slight tick in Labor’s favour on the swing projection.

7.53pm. One more primary result and a number more on two-party preferred, it remains unclear who will end up with bragging rights to the negligible swing. What is clear though is that Terri Butler is over the line.

7.45pm. Thirty-two of 43 booths reporting, and the picture of a status quo result is unchanged.

7.36pm. A big rush of results that taxed my data entry chops to the limit has produced very little change to the projection, which essentially looks like no swing at all.

7.26pm. Coorparoo Central was a tricky one from a booth-matching perspective, as it’s a “merger” of two booths from the 2013 election.

7.25pm. Coorparoo Central, Greenslopes, Morningside South and West End in on the primary; Buranda West and Norman Park South on two-party. Upshot: a bit more breathing space for Terri Butler, who will be difficult to pull in from here.

7.19pm. The informal vote seems to be down pretty solidly.

7.18pm. I note that none of the booths from the electorate’s north-western latte belt have reported yet.

7.15pm. Bulimba, Carina Heights, Greenmeadows and Norman Park find Labor still with its nose in front, despite a slight swing against. Annerley has also reported a two-party result, so I’ve switched on preference projections based on the booths that have reported so far. This finds Labor’s share of preferences up 6% on 2013.

7.12pm. Annerley, Bulimba Heights and Norman Park South booth results provide better news for Labor, with Butler now pulling into a projected lead. However, I’m still going off 2013 preferences here, as only two very small booths have reported two-party results.

7.03pm. Holland Park and Buranda West are in, and also Murarrie on two-party, and the swing to the LNP is sticking, as is the extremely close projected result.

6.53pm. Another small booth on the fringe of the electorate – Mount Gravatt East in the south-east – and it’s another bad result for Labor, down almost double digits on the primary vote. I’ve switched off the preference swing calculation for now, so the two-party is going off 2013 preference flows.

6.50pm. The preference result is in from Holland Park West, and Labor has 7.2% more preferences than it got in 2013 – but we’re only going off 14 votes here. Nonetheless, my model is extrapolating off it to project the result for the other booth, causing Labor to go up about 1%. Bottom line: hold off reading anything into anything yet.l

6.42pm. Both booths are on the very fringes of the electorate: Holland Park West in the south and Murarrie in the east. The dynamic nearer the city may well be very different. I’ll stop getting a “#VALUE!” result on the Stable Population Party when I get a result from a booth where their vote in 2013 wasn’t zero.

6.38pm. Two very small booths on the primary vote provide a measure of encouragement for Bill Glasson, suggesting a very close result if 2013 preferences are any guide.

6.30pm. There have apparently been 2090 ballots cast at the Whites Hill booth, which compared with the 2083 cast at the election suggests a pretty healthy turnout.

6pm. Welcome to the Poll Bludger’s live coverage of the Griffith by-election. With polls closing round about now, first results should be in in maybe about an hour, although this can be a bit variable. Results in the table will show raw figures for the primary vote and booth-matched swings for both primary and two-party vote, together with a projected two-party total based on the booth-matching. Where available, the latter will be based on booth two-party results; at booths where only primary vote totals have been reported, two-party projections will be derived from 2013 preference flows taken together with the “swing” in preferences recorded across booths where two-party results have been reported. I’ll be copping my results off the ABC Elections page, as the AEC annoyingly does not publish booth results as they are reported (or at least, never has in the past). So those without a minute to lose should note that my table updates will lag about that far behind the ABC.

William Bowe — Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe

Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, is one of the most heavily trafficked forums for online discussion of Australian politics, and joined the Crikey stable in 2008.

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517 thoughts on “Griffith by-election live

  1. alias

    Absolutely on the money Rex Douglas:

    A swing to the LNP suggests Bill Shorten isn’t engaging well enough with the casual observer regarding how inept, destructive and deceitful this Govt is.

  2. AussieAchmed

    A swing to the LNP suggests Bill Shorten isn’t engaging well enough with the casual observer regarding how inept, destructive and deceitful this Govt is.
    ===========================================

    When your enemy is making a mistake – don’t interrupt him

  3. zoomster

    ML

    don’t be twee, it doesn’t suit you.

    You know perfectly well the accusation of hypocrisy was based on your supposed opposition to Abbott and his government and your supposed wish to see Turnbull reinstated.

    It’s been quite obvious, following last night’s comments, that you were cheering the Libs all the way — a position contradictory to your own repeated claims.

  4. ShowsOn

    [Labor held ground. The LNP remained flat after spending a lot of money and effort. Abbott is still in the lodge.]
    BUT ABBOTT IS A DUMB MUMMA FARQUER

  5. Simon Katich

    fess @401
    I agree, I liked the summary by William – good work and much appreciated.

    I also liked Lenore –
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/08/spinmeisters-desperately-trying-not-to-trip-up-on-a-footnote-in-election-history

  6. tom jones

    I voted postal this week because I could not be bothered with returning home because Rudd let us down. I don’t think labour has got the message.. I voted liberal for the first time for abbott in the last election. And I have done it again this bi election.

    If labour has any hope, dump the greens, yes it will hurt preferences, take up the old values, not the unions, some of us have investments properties now and now my friends consider me ” rich !!!! “.

    I cannot help but think that if Labor does these two simply things, people will flock back

  7. Darren Laver

    [ BUT ABBOTT IS A DUMB MUMMA FARQUER]

    I think we can do without this sort of inane shouting.

    Ordinarily, I think the LNP would have been happy with this modest swing to them.

    But given their investment, I think they will be a bit disappointed as the money could have been better directed to the WA vote that might pop up soon, which actually will have a bearing on their ability to pass legislation.

    Given our new era where the Age of Entitlement is over, I am Dr Glasson will be billed by LNP for this failure, personal responsibility and all that.

  8. lefty e

    [A swing to the LNP suggests Bill Shorten isn’t engaging well enough with the casual observer regarding how inept, destructive and deceitful this Govt is.

    Congratulations to Terri Butler.

    Lift your game Bill Shorten and the ALP.]

    Perhaps. I think its as likely that we just found out Rudd’s personal vote was somewhere around 3% in excess of the ALP in general.

    Dont forget this is seat with long term gentrification happening constantly, disengaged noveauu unit dwellers, yuppie apartments increasing over time etc.

  9. AussieAchmed

    Which group of workers hv seen the biggest wage hikes in the past 10 yrs? http://www.afr.com/p/national/are_you_paid_too_much_JPDQ6YwSFw0iG6HqbhR4fJ … pic.twitter.com/3EmodWYfTU

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bf_1uICCIAALrxQ.jpg

    For all Abbott’s yelping about the Unions forcing up wages = higher costs to companies. His comments about SPC EBA were found out as a lie.

    Shame on the media for not making it front page news.

    The truth is out there and it ain’t coming from the inept pathetic ant-worker Liberals.

  10. Centre

    I don’t think too much can be drawn from this result as a guide to the next federal election.

    I would trade a swing to the LNP here for a better Newspoll to the ALP.

  11. lefty e

    In fact, Im a bit annoyed at the coverage of this: the LNP had a great candidate (by their standards), who had the benefit of a type of virtual incumbency via familiarity, against an unknown ALP first timer – and the latter won in a strolling canter.

    But why oh why was there a swing?!! It couldnt possibly be that a former PM had a personal vote in his own seat, cos I read otherwise in comments @ PB.!

    Seems a rather likely explanation to me.

  12. Centre

    [Keep it real bludgers.]

    Not responding to any of your posts will go a fair way to doing that.

  13. Centre

    lefty e

    I don’t think Labor have won in a canter but yes, I agree, the conclusion can be made that Rudd had a lot of support in his own seat.

    Also some may have punished Labor for forcing the by-election on them through the retirement of Rudd.

  14. Toorak Toff

    Labor has hung on to seats in recent Queensland and Victorian by-elections and had a roaring victory in a by-election in NSW. Not such a bad record.

  15. Centre

    tom jones

    I think people that make posts here at PB are generally pretty intelligent with the exception of one or two (will I name them 😈 ) so how in the hell could you seriously vote for an idiot like Abbott?

  16. Jimmyhaz

    I don’t think you can count this as a win to either party, on the one hand, Rudd was a massively popular candidate, and a swing against Labor because of that was inevitable. On the other, the LNP did pick up a portion of the vote, even if not enough to dethrone the ALP.

    While I was hoping for a massive swing against the LNP on the back of their horrific policies and terrible governance, I think I can make do with the result today.

  17. KEVIN-ONE-SEVEN

    SPUR212 – I want to know what peter brent gets for being on the news corpse website. You lie down with dogs… Etc etc. And if he’s not getting anything its very poor judgment on his part.

  18. kevjohnno

    Be fair K17. Mumbles has to make a living. Plenty of good people work for Mordor. The employment choices in that field aren’t wide.

  19. Centre

    Something else that can be drawn from this result?

    No honeymoon for Abbott!

    You have a newly elected government along with the retirement of the popular Rudd yet the Libs could only manage a narrow swing to them.

    We should not forget the arrogance and confidence the LNP were showing for their prospects in this by-election when it was announced.

    I think Shorten is close to the mark, Abbott’s unpopularity cost them the seat.

    Do you think Turnbull as leader could have won it for the Libs?

  20. Centre

    K17

    There are plenty that reluctantly kiss arse in Ltd News.

    You can distinguish between those and the stooges with close observation 😎

  21. AussieAchmed

    Hope Abbott/Hockey and supporters fall from this mountain

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BcW_0qBIIAA6GFj.jpg

  22. Kevin Bonham

    My analysis:

    http://kevinbonham.blogspot.com.au/2014/02/griffith-sound-and-fury-signifying.html

    Griffith: Sound And Fury, Signifying Little

  23. AussieAchmed

    from Twitter

    TO TONY ABBOTT

    Glasson’s lost 2 polls
    5 MONTHS (record)

    A FANTASTIC RESULT

    BE READY TO BE A 1 term PM

  24. AussieAchmed

    tom jones

    Posted Sunday, February 9, 2014 at 12:36 pm | Permalink
    ———————————————

    Its LABOR, not labour.

  25. tom jones

    Aussie Achmed

    Read on my friend ( the spell check is no ones friend ), however since you raised it, Labor used to be the domain for labourers. I don’t feel that anymore.

    At a recent BBQ before xmas weekend with old friends, all of us in our early twenties, had a job and we all voted labor. Although only two of us had voted the other way this time round, we all agreed that we were not happy with the ” new Labor “, no one was happy about the carbon tax and the cost of living, no one was happy about boat people and no one was in a union anymore.

    Maybe we are getting older in our late forties, however we all could not help but notice that all our kids, most in their late teens, most without a jobs, most not in a union, most critical of politics, however like their parents, vote labor or greens.. How things change, is this who Labor now represents.

    For those that think Abbot is a one term government, you living in la la land. Your the problem that pushes the agenda that most Labourers of labor have lost faith in.

  26. tom jones

    Aussie Achmed

    Read on my friend ( the spell check is no ones friend ), however since you raised it, Labor used to be the domain for labourers. I don’t feel that anymore.

    At a recent BBQ before xmas weekend with old friends, all of us in our early twenties, had a job and we all voted labor. Although only two of us had voted the other way this time round, we all agreed that we were not happy with the ” new Labor “, no one was happy about the carbon tax and the cost of living, no one was happy about boat people and no one was in a union anymore.

    Maybe we are getting older in our late forties, however we all could not help but notice that all our kids, most in their late teens, most without a jobs, most not in a union, most critical of politics, however like their parents, vote labor or greens.. How things change, is this who Labor now represents.

    For those that think Abbot is a one term government, you living in la la land. Your the problem that pushes the agenda that most Labourers of labor have lost faith in.

  27. Centre

    tom jones

    So you are not happy with the carbon tax?

    Are you aware that it converts to an ETS in this term of government?

    Are you aware that the revenue the scheme raises is fully returned to people and trade exposed industries?

    In other words, the cost of living from the carbon tax/ETS amounts to the astronomical figure of ZERO.

  28. Centre

    tom jones

    You don’t have to live in la la land to concede that Abbott is unpopular, therefore the possibility of him being a one termer is quite real.

  29. Centre

    tom jones

    Also, you are not very observant not knowing what Labor stands for, are you?

  30. lefty e

    [lefty e

    I don’t think Labor have won in a canter but yes, I agree, the conclusion can be made that Rudd had a lot of support in his own seat.

    Also some may have punished Labor for forcing the by-election on them through the retirement of Rudd.]

    Yes, I am probably overestating it *slightly* as a ‘canter’, but 52.3% is pretty damn comfortable.

    And yes, very latest reports I have just seen now have that reported 3% swing under 1%.

    So any pro-LNP angles on this result from earlier today will probably have to go back to Crosby-Textor for focus grouping.

  31. Centre

    tom jones

    A tip:

    Stop reading the Daily Telegraph 😆

  32. Centre

    lefty e

    But Gerard Henderson (you know that little serious old looking LNP stooge that would have less intelligence with all his degrees than I have on betting in a single unshaven four day growth facial hair) said that the by-election was a great result for the LNP given the commentary that Abbott has had a poor start to government.

  33. tom jones

    Centre

    No I am not happy with the carbon tax.. Why call it a carbon tax, when it will do nothing to help the environment.

    If you think the tax raised is all returned to the people then we are all in la la land.. its cost money to collect and redistribute the tax.

    I think my point has been lost with you, I am saying that for myself and friends, once proud labor, don’t need anymore spin.. We want real thinkers, real people.

    And as far as cost neutral goes, your kidding, you have wound up my wife now, I cannot see it in my bills, the rebate we got did not cover a fraction.

    and maybe someone can expand on this. But will not Australia need to contribute a large amount to the EU for the carbon tax / ets ?

  34. lefty e

    Tom, the CO2 price reduced electricity sector emissions by 7.6% last year.

    And thats what we need to do: reduce emissions.

    Price rises are a real probelm: but 90% of your price rises had nothing to do with the CO2 price. overspending on electricity infrastucture to cover peak demand is the big cuulprit. This is very well established.

    Those price rises are almost completely unrelated to the CO2 price. They were happening before it came in, and theyll be there after its gone. Mark my words. Because thats ISNT the reason prices are going up.

  35. Centre

    tom jones

    The only people who want to call it a carbon “tax” are the Liberals so they can score cheap political points from uninformed voters.

    Labor have made a huge mistake by not distinguishing between the two. Go to You Tube and catch a replay of Abbott himself making the distinction and actually preferring a carbon tax to an ETS.

    The scheme has reduced emissions therefore is doing something for the environment. That is a fact.

    Do you believe Australia should do its fair share to tackle global warming?

  36. Centre

    tom jones

    You should check REAL FACTS and find out for yourself where the revenue raised from the ETS is allocated.

    You won’t believe me or anyone else in the Centre or the Left, so go and find out for yourself.

  37. lefty e

    [said that the by-election was a great result for the LNP given the commentary that Abbott has had a poor start to government.]

    Well I stand corrected.

    Well done Bill Glasson, new member for the seat of “I’m a 3 time loser who got zero-point-bupkiss swing against a no-namer”.

  38. Centre

    tom jones

    Look, if you are truly fair dinkum, 90% of the spin are from the Liberals and 90% of the thinkers are with Labor.

    Examples:

    Interest rates are low but spun by…guess who to sound bad.

    The NDIS and the NBN are initiatives. Initiatives evolve from thinkers.

    Do you get my drift 😎

  39. ShowsOn

    [Centre

    No I am not happy with the carbon tax.. Why call it a carbon tax, when it will do nothing to help the environment.]
    WRONG!

    With the carbon price as is there will never be another coal power station built in Australia. That is a very good environmental outcome.

  40. Centre

    William you should get everyone from the other thread to come over.

    We’ve got the singer here…tom jones 😀

  41. ShowsOn

    [and maybe someone can expand on this. But will not Australia need to contribute a large amount to the EU for the carbon tax / ets ?]
    No.

    Stop reading Andrew Bolt’s blog.

  42. tom jones

    Sounds like you all support the greens.. no point arguing with fact checkers. you all too smart.

    our electricity bill 2 years ago this time $ 476.00 last quarter 687.00.. Maybe one of you can convert that into into a percentage for me ( fact provided by wife ).

    As far as NBN goes, don’t really care, our kids convinced us to go wireless and get rid of the landline.. so guess we will never know.

    Signing off from my wireless galaxy notebook

  43. Centre

    [Sounds like you all support the Greens..]

    wwwwrrrroooonnnngggg!!!!

  44. DisplayName

    Kevin Bonham

    When you say “soft” – as opposed to hard, presumably. Is this a reflection of comparing a real election where an actual decision has to be made with polls that measure intent? The further out from a decision the softer a polling result is, for example. Softer meaning a higher chance of someone reconsidering their decision?

  45. AussieAchmed

    Royal Commission into Union “slush” funds.

    Royal Commission into the insulation stimulus package.

    Raking over the past – what plans have the Liberals got for the future of Australia?

  46. DisplayName

    AA
    [Raking over the past – what plans have the Liberals got for the future of Australia?]
    To take us to the past. I suppose it’s logical that if you’re going to go somewhere you should examine it thoroughly first.

  47. AussieAchmed

    tom jones

    So you are not happy with the carbon tax?
    ==============================================

    But happy to vote Liberal.. Whose Direct Action plan takes taxpayer money from the budget and transfers it to the polluters.

    Where does the money in the budget come from? – taxes paid workers and businesses.

    Where will the Liberals cut spending to make taxpayer money available to add to the polluters bottom line?

    Direct Action is the transfer of taxpayer money to polluters.

  48. ruawake

    [Signing off from my wireless galaxy notebook]

    Which connects to? I missed a moron. Rtas. 😆

  49. AussieAchmed

    tom jones

    No I am not happy with the carbon tax.. Why call it a carbon tax, when it will do nothing to help the environment.

    And as far as cost neutral goes, your kidding, you have wound up my wife now, I cannot see it in my bills, the rebate we got did not cover a fraction.
    ================================================
    The introduction of the carbon price along with the Renewable Energy etc has seen the number of homes with solar panels climb from around 60,000 to over 1 million. It has driven massive investment in the production of cleaner energy.

    When Abbott and his science denier supporters get their wish and repeal the legislation, how many billions in compensation will the taxpayer be paying out of the budget?

    Research it…use your computer for more than whinning and whinging about paying the equivalent of a coffee at the local shops or a middie of beer every week.

    I am in the earnings bracket where no compensation was paid with the introduction of the carbon price. I pay around $64 every 3 months, around $1.50 a day. Anyone claiming the carbon price has destroyed their household budget is exaggerating in order to assist the Liberals.

  50. DisplayName

    rua, let’s not jump to calling people morons.

  51. AussieAchmed

    As the Abbott inept government rushes forward into the oats

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bf_WTkVCYAAlNRL.jpg

  52. AussieAchmed

    ……………rushes into the PAST

  53. Swing Required

    This is an interesting result, with some factors that are probably absent from many by-elections. Apart from the LNP having such a high orofile candidate, almost deified in the media, the new Government has only been in power for 5 months, including the Christmas break.

    Queensland is also a conservative state, but a status quo result isn’t a bad result for the LNP, exceot for the obvious money they splashed and the extremely favourable media coverage they always enjoy.

    I’ve been following politics for a long time, but I have to say that, with the exception of 1975′, I’ve never seen such a dangerous time. The LNP, aided by the Murdoch press, have trashed the normal political conventions. They know they won’t be held to account by News Ltd, who screamed ‘free speech’ before the ekection and are now Censorship Central.

    There was a time when a Minister had to resign for not declaring a Paddington Bear at Customs. Now, a Prime Minister can be shown to have lied frequently and it’s accepted as ‘smart politics’.

    The latest attack on the ABC is just the latest move from a dangerous Government hell bent on ideological attacks with taxpayers’ money. Accountability has disappeared.

  54. Swing Required

    Thete is no doubt the LNP are there for the wealthy. I might not agree with wealthy people voting for them, but I at least understand it.

    I don’t have much time for those who aren’t wealthy who swallow the anti-Union line and think Mr Murdoch is looking after their interests.

    Those who hang on the tripe of Andrew Bolt, Chris Kenny and assorted News Ltd troglodytes aren’t worth a pinch of the proverbial.

    And trailing along the bottom of the slime barrel is Ms Grace Collier. A misnomer if ever there was one.

    Thanks, I feel better now 🙂

  55. ruawake

    Glasson ran two campaigns. He could afford to.

    The first was the normal LNP smuck run of the mill campaign.

    The other was that of an Independent attacking his own Govt, the Unions and his opponent – complete with yellow and black signage of impending doom. All of course properly authorised by the LNP without mentioning them.

    Next time the Libs try to complain about dirty tricks, maybe they should be reminded they invented them.

    Look out Redcliffe.

  56. silentmajority

    Tom jones,
    Another “I’m a labor voter thru & thru, BUT…..

    And you guys fed the troll.

    He is a plant

  57. Centre

    silentmajority

    Well unfortunately many in the electorate share his views therefore a response is warranted.

  58. AussieAchmed

    tom jones

    Posted Sunday, February 9, 2014 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    Sounds like you all support the greens.. no point arguing with fact checkers. you all too smart.

    our electricity bill 2 years ago this time $ 476.00 last quarter 687.00.. Maybe one of you can convert that into into a percentage for me ( fact provided by wife ).
    =======================================================

    Perhaps you should look at how much the price increase is due to increased prices imposed by the power company/government.

    In WA power costs, not including the carbon price, have increased around 60% as the Liberal government puts more money into its coffers to replace what is has misspent

  59. AussieAchmed

    The inept Abbott is spending $100M to run a political inquiry just after he refused to spend $25M to save 3000 jobs

    We know where his priorities are…and its not jobs or working Aussie mums and dads.

    Its vindictive political actions that he cares about.

  60. frednk

    tom jones

    You have clearly read too many Andrew Bolt columns, or get paid too much by the liberals to troll. If the former it might be an idea to do some research for yourself (there are plenty of sites that explain the science, the value of markets and economics) and stop and think.

    So far you have made it clear you don’t understand the ETS, you somehow believe it involves forced transfer of funds to the EU and have no idea as to what is driving electricity price rises.

  61. frednk

    [silentmajority
    Posted Sunday, February 9, 2014 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    Tom jones,
    Another “I’m a labor voter thru & thru, BUT…..
    ]
    A line from the Liberal trolling handbook, 101.

  62. davidwh

    Technically I’m a Labor voter at present but ….

    It may change next year.

  63. Libertarian Unionist

    [With the carbon price as is there will never be another coal power station built in Australia. That is a very good environmental outcome.]

    While you are not wrong, there won’t be another coal-fired power station built in Australia WITHOUT a carbon price either. It just doesn’t add up when compared to this.

  64. DisplayName

    *waters david*

  65. AussieAchmed

    tom jones aka prettyone aka sean tsime

  66. frednk

    [ davidwh
    Posted Sunday, February 9, 2014 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

    Technically I’m a Labor voter at present but ….

    It may change next year
    ]
    Well thats slightly different, second line; Liberal trolling 101?

  67. davidwh

    Just being honest Fred. In all likelihood I will vote LNP at the QLD election despite Newman’s shortcomings.

  68. Acerbic Conehead

    Hey Tom Jones,

    Go easy on the sniffin’.

    It affects your critical faculties.

    http://according2g.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Tom-Jones-4-300×225.jpg

  69. Jimmyhaz

    If you don’t mind me asking, why are you voting for the Newman government?. I just don’t understand the logic behind voting for someone to trample on your (and mine, sadly) fundamental freedoms.

  70. geoffrey

    aren’t there a lot of latte booths uncounted?

  71. Albert Ross

    our electricity bill 2 years ago this time $ 476.00 last quarter 687.00.. Maybe one of you can convert that into into a percentage for me ( fact provided by wife ).

    This post was so stupid that I had to get up out of bed to respond.

    Tom’s post was the PB equivalent of the time Abbott got up in Parliament and waved some old biddy’s electricity bull around claiming that the amount had gone up since the last bill by some fantastic percentage. Turned out that the old girl must have left every appliance and light in her house on 24/7 for a month and a half to see such an increase.

    By way of contrast a neighbour of ours has received a negative bill this last quarter. She’s a widow and works three days a week and she is I would admit frugal in her ways having been dudded of a large amount of her super during the Howard years as a result of one of the investment scams organized by one of those “financial planners” Joe Hockey is bending over backwards to restore their entitlements to.

    Anyway she is using electricity normally but she did invest $4000 last spring on a solar panel array on her roof. Seems like that in less than 10 quarters she will see a positive return on her investment.

    So you see Tom there are ways to positively manage your expenditure on household power.

  72. mexicanbeemer

    I have heard a University lecturer call it a carbon tax, and the lecturer in question was openly an ALP supporter

  73. mexicanbeemer

    687000-476000/476000*100=44.32%

    Carbon Price was about 10%

    33.32% would be inflation and state government approved energy company price rises.

  74. Hugoaugogo

    One important factor that the political commentariat has completely ignored is turnout. The turnout on Saturday was around 65%, whereas last September it was over 90%. While it’s hard to judge whether Labor or LNP voters stayed home, the conventional wisdom is that it is Labor voters that tend to abstain in by-elections. If this is true, it could explain why new Tory governments get softer swings than new ALP governments.

  75. kakuru

    AA:

    [Direct Action is the transfer of taxpayer money to polluters.]

    Exactly. It’s trickledown economics and corporate welfare disguised as an environmental policy.

  76. Centre

    Beemer @ 490

    WOW!

    Did you ask the lecturer what ETS actually stands for?

    Maybe he was talking about the fixed price component of the carbon price.

    Next time pay attention, norty 😆

  77. KEVIN-ONE-SEVEN

    KEVIN BONHAM – Kevin, don’t answer if you’re not interested, but I’ve been pondering Howard’s first term and what lessons can be derived from it. There is a school of thought that (rather ironically) what really saved Howard was the GST. I know, I know, it was unpopular. But it let Howard pretend he was a conviction politician and was actually going somewhere. Do you agree/disagree?

  78. KEVIN-ONE-SEVEN

    Been reading the Vanity Fair article on Rupe/Wendy. I’ve actually got some time for old Wendy. A gold-digger – no doubt. But who can blame her. Rupe, on the other hand, comes across as a truly stupid old fool. Jeez Rupe, she never loved you. What a surprise.

  79. KEVIN-ONE-SEVEN

    Thanks Victoria

  80. Kevin Bonham

    KEVIN-ONE-SEVEN@495

    KEVIN BONHAM – Kevin, don’t answer if you’re not interested, but I’ve been pondering Howard’s first term and what lessons can be derived from it. There is a school of thought that (rather ironically) what really saved Howard was the GST. I know, I know, it was unpopular. But it let Howard pretend he was a conviction politician and was actually going somewhere. Do you agree/disagree?

    First-term incumbents tend to win anyway even if their mid-term polling is bad. It was a better move than it seemed though, in that the risk was overstated. Taking it to the people at the election where the previous result made it almost impossible for Labor to win back enough seats gave him a safe mandate for it and he could always say that while he did change his mind, at least he sought the permission of the voters to do so.

    The biggest things to save Howard’s first term in my view were (i) hostile Senate stopping him from getting carried away (ii) sophomore effect from 1996 election.

  81. Kevin Bonham

    With turnout, need to compare like with like. Turnout increases as post-count votes are added. It is now up to 73% and there is about another 10% to go, so it will come out down on the general election, but not by as much as some comparisons suggest.

  82. Kevin Bonham

    My comments, with a small update for today’s figures so far:

    http://kevinbonham.blogspot.com.au/2014/02/griffith-sound-and-fury-signifying.html

    Griffith: Sound And Fury, Signifying Little

  83. geoffrey

    KEVIN-ONE-SEVEN
    Posted Monday, February 10, 2014 at 2:05 pm | PERMALINK
    KEVIN BONHAM – Kevin, don’t answer if you’re not interested, but I’ve been pondering Howard’s first term and what lessons can be derived from it. There is a school of thought that (rather ironically) what really saved Howard was the GST. I know, I know, it was unpopular. But it let Howard pretend he was a conviction politician and was actually going somewhere. Do you agree/disagree?

    —-it let howard off raising direct taxes

  84. KEVIN-ONE-SEVEN

    KEVIN – Many thanks. My only query though is that, Howard, if I recall was down around 43% before he pulled the GST stunt. Could he have made up that much ground without it?

  85. geoffrey

    sometimes oz really is “poor fellow my country”
    wall to wall nationwide blanket country of the petty crim getting early release going to party with her dodgy family – every reporter in country including abc 24 on full alert – cant remember last time like this – she muted to get $3m plus rest for proceeds (how much is that a day in jail?) – illegals from indonesia get welcome from bishop and govt while legals on boat get nothing like that – or are the two connected – i am yet more ashamed

  86. mexicanbeemer

    Centre

    I thought about it and thought maybe he knew something i didn’t, on the exam i pointed out that we don’t have a carbon tax but rather a price.

  87. Everything

    [Kevin Bonham
    Posted Monday, February 10, 2014 at 2:32 pm | PERMALINK
    My comments, with a small update for today’s figures so far:

    http://kevinbonham.blogspot.com.au/2014/02/griffith-sound-and-fury-signifying.html

    Griffith: Sound And Fury, Signifying Little]

    With all due respect, don’t you think that it is quite reasonable for Glasson / Libs not to concede, given your current estimate is that the result might end up 49:51?

  88. docantk

    First postals went 58:42 to LNP, now back to 53.5:46.5. Only 4800 to count and ALP ahead by 3100. Time to concede Dr Glasson

  89. Steven Grant Haby

    Toyota announces they will quit Australian manufacturing in 2017 (probably in 12 months if they can get away with it)

  90. Kevin Bonham

    Everything@506


    Kevin Bonham
    Posted Monday, February 10, 2014 at 2:32 pm | PERMALINK
    My comments, with a small update for today’s figures so far:

    http://kevinbonham.blogspot.com.au/2014/02/griffith-sound-and-fury-signifying.html

    Griffith: Sound And Fury, Signifying Little


    With all due respect, don’t you think that it is quite reasonable for Glasson / Libs not to concede, given your current estimate is that the result might end up 49:51?

    No because even on those figures while they might have got to 49:51 if the trend continued (which it didn’t anyway) there was no way they would have got to 50:50. The difference between normal polling and postals to get to 49:51 was large but not implausible, but 50:50 was a very different story.

    As it happened (and I find it rather funny that it has) the next lot of postals have broken slightly to Butler, knocking Glasson’s share of postals so far down to where I’d expect it. So from here maybe Labor will come down to high 51s, but not 51.0.

  91. Kevin Bonham

    <a href="KEVIN-ONE-SEVEN@503

    KEVIN – Many thanks. My only query though is that, Howard, if I recall was down around 43% before he pulled the GST stunt. Could he have made up that much ground without it?

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2014/02/08/griffith-by-election-live/?comment_page=11/#comment-1907207“>KEVIN-ONE-SEVEN@503

    KEVIN – Many thanks. My only query though is that, Howard, if I recall was down around 43% before he pulled the GST stunt. Could he have made up that much ground without it?

    On a 2PP basis, rolling average, it was more like 47 than 43, though it had been 45-ish earlier in the year. And their polling was not much better on election eve so whether he actually made up any ground from it or was just doing better than polling indicated all along, is unclear. There was a jump in the first poll after the GST launch, which then disappeared in the next one.

  92. Kevin Bonham

    Sorry about the formatting stuffups there.

  93. Albert Ross

    GhostWhoVotes ‏@GhostWhoVotes 1m

    #Newspoll 2 Party Preferred: L/NP 49 (+1) ALP 51 (-1) #auspol

  94. J341983

    @512… and the story is not “Government elected in near landslide in September still behind..” it is, of course, being the Australian, “Shorten honeymoon over”

    L.O.L.

  95. Kevin Bonham

    http://kevinbonham.blogspot.com.au/2014/02/griffith-sound-and-fury-signifying.html

    Updated my Griffith coverage (Glasson has conceded, not before time) and also added some comments on current federal polling and especially the Shorten netsat plunge.

    Re #513, I think the Shorten thing is actually the most interesting thing about the current poll and well worthy of attention in isolation. The question of course is whether each media source gave due coverage to the Government being behind when it fell behind; doubtless some of the more biased ones didn’t.

  96. C@tmomma

    William, Have just read all 11 pages of comments and as no one else picked up your mistake in the preamble I guess the task falls to moi.

    Viz: Larry Anthony was the SON, and Doug Anthony was the FATHER.

  97. C@tmomma

    Also, no one from the Labor side of the fence made a Mod Libesque comment that, if this had been a federal election and the result had followed that in Griffith nationwide-then Labor would be back in power and we truly would have seen #onetermTony become more than a dream, a reality! 😀

  98. Antony GREEN

    Larry Anthony was the father, Doug Anthony was the Son, a second Larry Anthony was the grandson.