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Feb 10, 2014

Newspoll: 51-49 to Labor

The first Newspoll for the year is slightly at the low end of Labor's recent average, and shows a lot of the air going out of Bill Shorten's honeymoon approval ratings.

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UPDATE (Essential Research and Morgan): Essential Research is still at 50-50, although Labor has been up three points on the primary vote over the past fortnight, the most recent move being one point to 39%. The Coalition, Greens and Palmer United are steady at 43%, 8% and 3%. There are also personal ratings and further questions which you can read about at the bottom of the post. Morgan has the Labor lead narrowing from 53-47 to 52-48 on respondent-allocated preferences, and from 52.5-47.5 to 51-49 on previous election preferences. On the primary vote, the Coalition is up a point to 40.5%, Labor steady on 37%, the Greens down one to 10.5% and Palmer United up 1.5% to 4.5%.

GhostWhoVotes reports the first Newspoll for the year has Labor leading 51-49, compared with 52-48 in the final poll of last year, which was conducted from December 6-8. Labor has dropped three points on the primary vote to 35%, but the slack is taken up by the Greens, who are up three to 12%, with the Coalition up by one point to 41%. The results also support Essential Research’s finding that a good deal of air went out of Bill Shorten’s honeymoon balloon over the break, his approval rating down five points to 35%. More to follow.

UPDATE: James J in comments serves up the personal ratings, which have Tony Abbott perfectly unchanged at 40% approval and 45% disapproval, Bill Shorten respectively down nine to 35% and up eight to 35%, and preferred prime minister effectively unchanged at 41-33 in favour of Abbott, compared with 41-34 last time.

UPDATE 2: Dennis Shanahan’s report on the results for The Oz.

UPDATE 3: Questions on ABC bias produce similar results to the recent ReachTEL poll, with most considering its news “fair and balanced”, but Coalition supporters more likely to feel aggrieved than Labor ones. Eighteen per cent felt the ABC biased to Labor versus 7% biased against, which naturally enough produced a mirror image when the question was framed in terms of Coalition bias (7% biased in favour, 19% biased against). Results for the Greens were hardly different than for Labor, with 15% thinking it biased in favour, 8% biased against, and 48% balanced. Tables showing breakdowns by party support here.

UPDATE 4: Essential Research’s monthly personal ratings have both leaders heading south, with Tony Abbott down six on approval to 41% and up four on disapproval to 47%, and Bill Shorten down five to 30% and up two to 34%. Better prime minister is little changed at 40-30 in favour of Abbott, compared with 42-31 a month ago. As is usually the case when a party’s position improves in the polls, Labor has improved across the board on the question of party most trusted to handle various issues, the biggest changes being a drop in the deficit on “political leadership” from 23% to 13% and economic management from 26% to 19%. A question on various types of industry assistance finds strong support for drought relief, private health rebates and tourism development grants, but strong opposition to fuel rebates for the mining industry. Interestingly, automotive production subsidies score a net rating of minus 11%.

William Bowe — Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe

Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, is one of the most heavily trafficked forums for online discussion of Australian politics, and joined the Crikey stable in 2008.

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1,892 thoughts on “Newspoll: 51-49 to Labor

  1. poroti

    citizen

    Abbott from the day he was born has been a kiss up kick down kind of wimp.

  2. ruawake

    Driscoll and his wife are under investiagtion for allegedly defrauding community groups in Redcliffe for hundreds of thousands of dollars, plus will Newman refund the $50,000 donation Driscoll made to the LNP.

  3. poroti

    confessions

    A great story of how the Rottnest swim started in 1956.

    [An Aussie and a German walk into a bar.

    A “pretty tiddly” Gerd von Dincklage had no idea he would inspire the Rottnest Channel Swim, to be held again on Saturday week, when he bellowed through beer bravado to his friend, the late WA journalist Hugh Schmidt, that he could swim back from the Quokka Arms to Cottesloe……
    Nine hours and 45 minutes of mainly breaststroke later, plus a brush with a big stingray, a tradition was born and the first official race was held that year.

    “There was no joy in the beer because my mouth was affected by the salt, but I remember one well-known drinker up there – a big, typically beer-bellied Aussie – and he said, ‘You must be gamer than Ned Kelly, mate’.

    “It was a wonderful compliment. It doesn’t get much better than that in Australia.”]
    http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/21413797/bar-boast-led-to-rotto-swim/

  4. sohar

    Puff, “1. To revive the historical operatic role of Castrato.” – but will they find anything?

  5. kevjohnno

    Every time the issue of supporting farmers comes up I think of the National Farmers Federation, Chris Corrigan & Peter Reith and wonder my money should go to people who attack workers rights.

    I normally recover from these fits of rage in time to remember most farmers I actually know, including a couple of rellies, are pretty normal hard working types who deserve a hand every now and then when times are tough.

  6. confessions

    poroti:

    That is a good yarn!

  7. poroti

    kevjohnno

    [
    Every time the issue of supporting farmers comes up I think of the National Farmers Federation, Chris Corrigan & Peter Reith and wonder my money should go to people who attack workers rights]
    Easy up on the condemnation. Richard Court’s bro was the head of a farmers mob in W.A. during the wharfies dispute. He and his organisation came out in support of the wharfies. So much so there were t-shirts on the picket line showing solidarity between the wharfies and the farmers.

  8. victoria

    As per article linked

    [Contrary to earlier reports that farmers may seek as much as $7 billion in assistance, the cost of the NFF’s package would like to be “less than a billion”, he said.]

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/heat-bushfire-relief-as-rainfall-expected-to-sweep-across-australia-20140212-32hh3.html#ixzz2t6MX4UMq

  9. milenko

    Cadburygate

    From ABC website following question from Penny Wong in the Senate on Tuesday
    Fiona Nash….
    “There is no connection whatsoever between my chief of staff and the company Australian Public Affairs,” Senator Nash said.

    From the Guardian today ….

    Nash also conceded that Furnival had not declared any conflict of interest at a meeting of federal, state and New Zealand ministers on December 13, which Nash chaired and Furnival attended, and which voted to approve the healthy food rating scheme.

    “Yes, I can confirm it was an item on the agenda. Yes, I can confirm that I was chairing the meeting. Yes, I can confirm that my chief of staff did not declare an interest.

    “I was fully aware of the relationship between my chief of staff, APA and his previous role within Cadbury and the confectionery industry … my chief of staff complies with proper internal standards under the statement of standards for ministerial staff,” Nash said under a sustained opposition attack during Senate question time.

    Fiona Nash has misled Parliament… big time!

  10. Rossmore

    An old un, but a good un …

    No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.

    Aneurin Bevan

  11. fredex

    [Contrary to earlier reports that farmers may seek as much as $7 billion in assistance, the cost of the NFF’s package would like to be “less than a billion”, he said.]

    When the unions [used] to do it, it was called an ‘ambit claim’ and was the subject of much derision and scorn from the media et al.
    From wiki
    “In negotiation, an ambit claim is an extravagant initial demand made in expectation of an eventual counter-offer and compromise”

    The difference is that here the farmers are not negotiating except with themselves [Barnaby and the COALition being their elected parliamentary reps].

  12. kevjohnno

    [poroti

    Posted Wednesday, February 12, 2014 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    Easy up on the condemnation. Richard Court’s bro was the head of a farmers mob in W.A. during the wharfies dispute. He and his organisation came out in support of the wharfies. So much so there were t-shirts on the picket line showing solidarity between the wharfies and the farmers.]

    Ease up on the condemnation Poroti. Did you read my second paragraph? And remember it is still the same NFF proposing the current support for farmers that tried to break the unions.

  13. victoria

    fredex

    Curious to know what Labor’s position is on this

  14. victoria

    Former coalition now indie Vic MP, wants abortion laws changed

    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/abortion-laws-among-worst-in-the-world-20140212-32ife.html

  15. frednk

    The depressing thing is 49% of Australians think this joke is acceptable.

  16. milenko

    victoria

    If I’m correct Fiona will follow, there is also talk that Furnival was given position by PMs office.
    They will both be thrown under the bus

  17. bemused

    Rossmore@1804

    An old un, but a good un …

    No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.

    Aneurin Bevan

    Aneurin Bevan’s book “In Place of Fear” is one of my treasured possessions.

  18. ruawake

    A little birdy told me to expect leaks after Kathy Dennis was boned by Nash.

  19. victoria

    milenko

    As per ru’s posf, it would appear that Nash is not going anywhere

  20. fredex

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-12/fiona-nash-backtracks-chief-of-staff-lobby-group/5255878

    4 items of interest, at a minimum, in this article.
    1.Confirmation of ruawake’s comment above.
    2 Confirmation that Nash is in deep shit – or should be
    3.From Penny Wong [in part answer to Victoria above]
    “When and how did the Minister realise she had misled the Senate?” Senator Wong asked.”
    Note the key word ‘misled’.
    4.No specifics re so-called ministerial code.

    Nash has gotta go.

    Oh and BTW, Joe’s comments and Toyota’s response deserve some heavy traction also.

    Really, they are a grubby lot.

  21. victoria

    ru

    Just reread your posf. Who is kafhy Dennis?

  22. confessions

    [As per ru’s posf, it would appear that Nash is not going anywhere]

    Of course not. None of those affected by travel rorts lost their jobs, or suffered any career backlash as a result of it.

  23. victoria

    Damn my ipad. I always manage to miss the “t” on the keypad

  24. deblonay

    A Truly alarming story from” The American Conservative”
    AMust read >>>>>>>>>
    _______________
    Protestant fundamentalists have made a major infiltration into the US armed forces and their training Academies and are seeking to influence many in the forces to the ideas of a Holy War with Islam

    Truly crazy as this seems to any sane person,this story is one of those “only in America ” type stories,but deeply alarming and a testimony to the power of mad religious ideas in the USA..they seek an Old Testament army

    Philip Giraldi it’s author..is .a former CIA operative,and no leftist

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/old-testament-army/

  25. WeWantPaul

    I think shorten and Wong should hold a press conference and call on Abbott to dismiss Nash from her ministry and the party.

    There is no chance but the libs look weaker if they then let cos be fallguy. And they look worse of all if they don’t sack anyone and don’t reactivate the website. They should have done that already, although it is an admission of guilt, guilt is already obvious.

  26. mexicanbeemer

    fredex

    The federal government cannot go bankrupt, if all other fiscal measures fail the government can print the money to pay although that in theory will create an inflation problem.

    Furthermore apparently a large chunk of the government’s debt is owed to the people of Australia.

    This of course doesn’t end the need to run a sustainable budget as the consequences to the economy are pretty bad if government doesn’t at least look to be paying down its debt levels.

  27. WeWantPaul

    Labor is also bulletproof against ‘overreacting’ to anything. If a journalist ever puts that to them the brilliant retort writes itself.

  28. prettyone

    Obviously something Ms Nash’s husband did? is more important than Closing the Gap difficulties and what’s wrong and what might be going right with indigenous issues …

  29. Player One

    prettyone@1825

    Obviously something Ms Nash’s husband did? is more important than Closing the Gap difficulties and what’s wrong and what might be going right with indigenous issues …

    Only Tories think ethics are “relative”.

  30. victoria

    Ah i see who kathy Dennis is now

    [PM also obtained an email showing the Health Department bureaucrat who was leading the development of the food-labelling policy has had it taken from her control.

    In an email update to stakeholders today, assistant secretary Kathy Dennis wrote that there has been a “restructure” in the department.

    She says she will no longer lead the Front-of-Pack Labelling Secretariat after two years in the role.]

  31. bemused

    Interesting comments on Toyota leaving here:

    Why Toyota is leaving Australia: The real story
    [There are three main reasons why Toyota is exiting Australia and a series of smaller, but still significant, ones. The first reason is so-called ‘free trade’ agreements. Politicians rarely mention in any commentary on this. Yet this had more of an effect on Japanese executives in Nagoya than anything else.

    The Japanese cannot understand why we keep signing ‘free trade’ agreements that are not free trade agreements at all. John Howard signed the Thailand free trade agreement, which allowed free entry of Thai motor parts into Australia but whacked huge tariffs and other restrictions on exports of Australian motor parts and cars into Thailand. We were conned.]

    [The second reason has been well documented: the high Australian dollar. There is no doubt the Japanese would never have invested in Australia had they known the dollar was to rise in the wake if the mining investment boom. However, while it ranks the number two reason, without so many other factors the high Australian dollar could have been overcome.]

  32. WeWantPaul

    [Obviously something Ms Nash’s husband did? is more important than Closing the Gap difficulties and what’s wrong and what might be going right with indigenous issues …
    ]

    Yes because we know Abbott is all about opening the gap not closing it, will stop anything that is going right and put in place racist patronizing and stupid policies like attendance targets and truancy officers no matter what he says. So no point addressing the transparently dishonest And stupid policy.

  33. victoria

    prettyone

    What has nash’s husband got to do with this?

  34. milenko

    Victoria
    Kathy Dennis …
    PM also obtained an email showing the Health Department bureaucrat who was leading the development of the food-labelling policy has had it taken from her control.

    In an email update to stakeholders today, assistant secretary Kathy Dennis wrote that there has been a “restructure” in the department.

    She says she will no longer lead the Front-of-Pack Labelling Secretariat after two years in the role.

    The secretariat is being made a separate unit from her Healthy Living and Food Policy Branch, and will be led by first assistant secretary Nathan Smyth….

    The Libs have already rearranged the deck chairs on Fiona’s Titanic, they won’t save her

  35. fredex

    From the article I cited above:
    [Labor senator John Faulkner, who established the code of conduct for ministerial staff, led debate on the matter after Question Time ended in the Senate.

    “Clause 4 of the code reads that ministerial staff must divest themselves or relinquish control of interests in any private company or business and/or direct interest in any public company involved in the area of their minister’s portfolio responsibilities,” he said.

    “Mr Deputy President, this just was not done.”]

    Nash is in deep deep stuff.

  36. victoria

    milenko

    As per my earlier post, I went back and reread the ABC report, and realised who Kathy Dennis was.

    Thanks.

    No doubt the fibs are rearranging the deck chairs to save Nash’s backside

  37. pom

    Ms Nash did?
    Abbott; “nothing to see here, lets talk about the unions!”

  38. victoria

    bemused

    As has been mentioned here, it would appear that the latest TPP signed with South Korea was the impetus for Toyota going

  39. prettyone

    “Only Tories think ethics are “relative”

    I’m not sure what a Tory is actually, it’s not an Australian term?

    This prime minister seems to really care about the state of our indigenous peoples – Warren Mundine, Adam Goodes – well let’s hope their input can be meaningful.

    I’m not convinced but everything is worth a shot.

  40. confessions

    [PM also obtained an email showing the Health Department bureaucrat who was leading the development of the food-labelling policy has had it taken from her control.]

    Remember that Jane Halton is still Secretary of Health.

  41. fredex

    Sorry Mexicanbeemer my response to your comment was a bit facetious and not meant to be critical.

    I am aware that [as you wrote] “The federal government cannot go bankrupt, if all other fiscal measures fail the government can print the money to pay”, most of the public don’t seem to know that, although the next part of your statementis a bit problematical “in theory will create an inflation problem.” when that theory has never been substantiated by empirical evidence.
    Rather the contrary in that no direct relationship between deficit and inflation has been demonstrated in Australia or any other country since Noah was a lad.
    Just asserted.
    So your last sentence “…. the consequences to the economy are pretty bad if government doesn’t at least look to be paying down its debt levels” is, I presume, a purely political opinion and not economic.
    After all, in certain conditions, such as those in Australia at the moment [low and declining private investment, high and rising un/underemployment, declining participation rate, underutilised productive capacity] running a deficit budget should be a positive for the economy.

  42. guytaur

    ptrettyone

    Seems is the operative word in your post. The actions of cuts tell the real story.

    So much for your attempted distraction from discussion of Nashgate

  43. prettyone

    Question: Will Labor voters vote down a referendum on adding/completing the wording of the Constitution to acknowledge the original inhabitants – or vote it down simply because a conservative leader has inititiatd it?

    Honest question, guys, as you are Labor/Greens supporters?

    What do you think might be the result of a proposed referendum?

  44. guytaur

    Pretty

    If you do not mind I will use PR1 for you.

  45. AussieAchmed

    Given that it took the election of a Labor Govt for the people to say Sorry I reckon Labor will support changes to the Constitution that are mature, responsible and fair minded.

    I doubt Abbott could achieve those measures.

  46. victoria

    confessions

    I saw most of the painful QT today and Abbott, Hockey, Pyne, the Bishops and others, are utterly shameless.
    Labor need to get ruthless was this mob, and not give them any quarter

  47. AussieAchmed

    This prime minister seems to really care about the state of our indigenous peoples –

    yep and stripping millions from ALS was a prime example of his real care.

    Lying about spending his first week as PM in a Community was another example.

    Claiming thousands in taxpayer funded expenses when he “volunteered” yet another example how it is all about Abbott and his bank balance and not about the people

  48. guytaur

    victoria

    Labor should move a no confidence in the speaker. When the LNP use their numbers walk out en masse.

    MSM will not be able to ignore that.

  49. confessions

    victoria:

    It’s the lies and the arrogance that get me. This is the worst government I’ve ever seen.

  50. geoffrey

    victoria

    do you think shorten is quick thinking enough – can he think on his feet literally – he seems hesitant awkward public speaker to do as you ask … ???

  51. confessions

    guytaur:

    Actually, given parliamentary muck-ups invariably reflect poorly on the govt of the day, maybe that’s just what the doctor ordered.

  52. guytaur

    “@TimWattsMP: Libs moving to shut down Parliamentary debate on 1000s of job losses in Gove. With no legislation to debate. On Close the Gap day #shame”

  53. victoria

    guytaur

    Today the coalition shut down the debate and Labor retaliated. They need to keep it up at every opportunity. The pressure needs to be maintained on the coalition, and it needs to be relentless.

    On that note night all

  54. confessions

    G’night vic.

  55. victoria

    geoffrey

    Shorten is doing okay in my view. He has Tanya, Albo, Bowen, TBurke, Dreyfus and other strong MPs to support him

  56. mexicanbeemer

    fredex

    That’s okay i thought maybe you didn’t realise or maybe i was incorrect.

  57. guytaur

    Night vic

  58. mexicanbeemer

    fredex

    I was thinking more in terms of the bond rate and other markets.

  59. victoria

    confessions

    It is the worst govt ever. They make me sick to my stomach.

    Night

  60. prettyone

    “I doubt Abbott could achieve those measures”

    Please try and support it. I also know some conservatives are against it too, not because it’s Tony Abbott initiating it, but for different reasons.

    Let’s hope we can all meet in the middle. It’s just a few words to complete Mr Rudd’s apology, which as you know Tony Abbott has great appreciation for, this is no “stunt”. Anyway, I’ve said my piece!

  61. guytaur

    confessions

    I think a mass walkout after a no confidence motion would force the MSM to look at Bishop’s performance.

    I think that then Bishop would not last the week.

  62. AussieAchmed

    Of course its a stunt.

    Trying to distract from the manufacturing industries he’s caused the closure of, and the 50,000 unemployed he’s created since September.

    When he said stuff about a 200,00 jobs he actually meant 200,000 jobs gone

  63. guytaur

    @billshortenmp: An awful week for jobs in Aust – first Toyota and now at least 1,300 more jobs gone with this terrible news tonight http://t.co/2f7WoeWmDw

  64. Dee

    Hockey

    [“The report as it related to the content of the discussion between myself and Toyota was correct, and Toyota’s statement today is also correct,” he said.]

  65. fredex

    Gidday MB,
    Well even bond rates are suss, for example despite our AAA rating we still pay higher interest rates than many countries whose economies have far greater problems than ours.
    Dog knows why we have such high rates, stupidity springs to mind as one possibility altho’ ideological straight jacket may be more accurate.
    And lets not forget the role of the ratings agencies and their culpability for the ongoing GFC [Standard and Poor for example].

    What really worries me tho’ is hinted at in Aussie’s comment #1844
    [yep and stripping millions from Aboriginal Legal Services was a prime example of his real care.]
    where people are made to suffer, in this case women and children in particular, because the powers that be falsely claim we have a budget ‘crisis’.
    We don’t – unless you accept that we need another ongoing stimulus which we ain’t gonna get it with this mob.

  66. guytaur

    Good.night

  67. Dee

    Mmmmm…
    [And speaking of the outlook, in an exchange on Twitter with me, @michaelpascoe01, Finance Minister Mathais Cormann (@MathiasCormann) sidestepped commenting on the Reserve Bank’s upgraded economic forecasts – the best economic news in nine months that effectively winds back much of the highly publicised deterioration in December’s MYEFO (mid-year economic and fiscal outlook).]

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/blame-labor-voters-for-falling-consumer-confidence-20140212-32hn7.html#ixzz2t6oGhoQ6

  68. Player One

    prettyone@1836

    I’m not sure what a Tory is actually, it’s not an Australian term?

    Actually, it is. From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tory

    [ In Australia, “Tory” is used as a pejorative term by members of the Labor Party to refer to members of the conservative and often coalition Liberal and National parties. ]

    Perhaps you should try and do some reading up on common political terms before wading into a political argument?

  69. lefty e

    My main critique of capitalst social relations today is that the cricket isnt on free to air telly. Its on Fox.

    What possible use is that to man or beast?

    The system condemns itself.

  70. Player One

    AussieAchmed@1859

    Of course its a stunt.

    Trying to distract from the manufacturing industries he’s caused the closure of, and the 50,000 unemployed he’s created since September.

    When he said stuff about a 200,00 jobs he actually meant 200,000 jobs gone

    No, let’s be fair about this – Abbott has created at least 200,000 jobs since he was elected.

    He just forgot to mention that he was going to create them in China, Korea, Thailand, India, Indonesia …

  71. Centre

    Tony Abbott has lost more jobs in the last 5 months than Rudd did during the GFC.

    ffuuaakkcciinngg hell 😆

    What about the stock market people???

    C’mon, call it, we all know Abbott is a drag on the Australian market.

    Grow some and call it – wimps 😡

    *night

    Be happy Bludgers, we are on the side of good, we’re blessed 😈 not the Greens 😛

  72. sohar

    Prettyone (are you be ironic with that name?),
    The Australian Liberal Party is not in any way socially or economically “liberal”. It is basically the Australian version of the British Conservative Party, the Tories. It is not socially inclusive. It is socially conservative. It is right-wing. Its main purpose is to protect the wealth of a small social and economic elite, to the disadvantage of all others.

  73. Player One

    [ Prettyone (are you be ironic with that name?), ]

    “prettyone” is a sock puppet. He/she is sometimes good for amusement value on a slow night, but not much else.

  74. deblonay

    Pretty One … post 1836,,re political terms
    It seems beyond your understanding

    I suggest you just stick to your colouring books

  75. sohar

    Player One, Have I missed something, or has Prettyone suddenly re-appeared. We must be gentle with him or her, though. Perhaps he/she has spent an exhausting day at the solarium, the beauty parlour, or the frock shops.

  76. Steve777

    Tony Abbott said the right words in his speech on ‘Closing the Gap’ this morning. We’re all waiting to see if he follows up with the right actions.

  77. Player One

    [ Player One, Have I missed something, or has Prettyone suddenly re-appeared. ]

    prettyone re-appears from time to time – usually when Abbott has just done something particularly inept.

    Actually, on that basis I’m surprised she/he doesn’t appear here more often.

  78. sohar

    Prettyone says, “Let’s hope we can all meet in the middle. It’s just a few words to complete Mr Rudd’s apology, which as you know Tony Abbott has great appreciation for, this is no “stunt”. Anyway, I’ve said my piece!”

    It is my understanding that Abbott was asleep in his office during the Apology. Too much red wine he claims.

  79. Player One

    [ It is my understanding that Abbott was asleep in his office during the Apology. Too much red wine he claims. ]

    Abbot is known to have been asleep at some critical times, but not (I believe) during the apology. I think his most famous incident was during the GFC:

    From http://www.phonytonyabbott.com/facts/behaviour

    [ Tony Abbott once missed five key votes in Parliament – including the vote on the $42 billion stimulus package – because he was asleep in his office after having consumed too much alcohol.]

    But you’re probably remembering this one:

    From http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/tony-abbott-and-human-decency,5093

    [ Indigenous people travelled for three days to get to Canberra to put their case to a Parliamentary committee; Tony Abbott walked in late, didn’t apologise, sat down and then fell asleep. ]

  80. Steve777

    I thought Prettyone was an alternate identity for Sean T. But Sean has seen the light and has abandoned the dark side for the light. For his penance he will spend the next Federal Election day in sackcloth and ashes, handing out ‘how to vote’ cards in marginal electorates.

  81. Steve777

    Re 1877: that’s Labor how to vote cards.

  82. William Bowe

    [I thought Prettyone was an alternate identity for Sean T]

    I really do wonder about my readership sometimes.

  83. imacca

    [I really do wonder about my readership sometimes.]

    I’ll bet you do. I’m sure it keeps you awake at night contemplating what a lucky lucky person you are to have this jolly crew at your place. 🙂

  84. William Bowe

    It’s either that or incontinence.

  85. davidwh

    Only us old farts William.

  86. davidwh

    Post 1865 proved I’m not a Tory … Whew 🙂

  87. FarQU

    BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN AND THE E STREET BAND ROCKED THE FUCKING HOUSE

  88. FarQU

    TWICE

  89. FarQU

    TWICE

  90. absolutetwaddle

    William Bowe

    “I really do wonder about my readership sometimes.”

    It’s increasingly obvious to me the place is being overrun with conspiracy-minded lunatics.

    Also I really don’t ‘get’ what prettyone said that made everyone feel entitled to jump all over him/her. Fact: the noun ‘Tory’ is anachronistic in the Australian context. Fact: if Abbott really wants to close the gap – and this Labor member doesn’t entirely doubt his good intentions in this regard – then he ought to be congratulated.

    Whether he actually does any good for our first peoples is another issue, but I don’t see him as the cross-burning, negro-lynching Grand-Dragon of the KKK that some people here so very badly want him to be.

  91. CTar1

    AT

    [but I don’t see him as the cross-burning, negro-lynching Grand-Dragon of the KKK that some people here so very badly want him to be.]

    Neither do I but I think he just says ‘words’ that he thinks will get him through.

    Just another thing he doesn’t give a stuff about.

  92. Ian

    ‘ Whether he actually does any good for our first peoples is another issue, but I don’t see him as the cross-burning, negro-lynching Grand-Dragon of the KKK that some people here so very badly want him to be. ‘

    If those who own Abbott tell him to be so. That is exactly what he will be.

  93. Otiose

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