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Feb 23, 2014

Seat of the week: Boothby

Another trip through a South Australian federal electorate to mark the looming state election – this time the southern coastal suburbs seat of Boothby, a nut Labor is never quite able to crack.

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Blue and red numbers respectively indicate booths with two-party majorities for Liberal and Labor. Click for larger image. Map boundaries courtesy of Ben Raue at The Tally Room.

The southern Adelaide electorate of Boothby covers coastal suburbs from Brighton south to Marino, extending inland to the edge of the coastal plain at Myrtle Bank and the hills at Belair, Eden Hills, Bellevue Heights and Flagstaff Hill. The seat’s Liberal lean is softened by the area around the defunct Tonsley Park Mitsubishi plant, the only part of the electorate with below average incomes and above average ethnic diversity. It has existed without interruption since South Australia was first divided into electorates in 1903, at which time it was landlocked and extended north into the eastern suburbs. Coastal areas were acquired when the neighbouring electorate of Hawker was abolished in 1993.

Boothby was held by Labor for the first eight years of its existence, and it remained a contested seat until the Menzies government came to power in 1949. This began a long-term trend to the Liberals which peaked in the 1970s, when margins were consistently in double digits. The seat’s member from 1981 until 1996 was Steele Hall, former Premier and figurehead of the early 1970s breakaway Liberal Movement. A trend to Labor became evident after the election of the Howard government in 1996, with successive swings recorded over the next five elections. The swing that occurred amid the otherwise poor result of the 2004 election was particularly encouraging for Labor, and raised their hopes at both the 2007 and 2010 elections. On the former occasion, Right powerbrokers recruited what they imagined to be a star candidate in Nicole Cornes, a minor Adelaide celebrity and wife of local football legend Graham Cornes. However, Cornes was damaged by a series of disastrous and heavily publicised media performances, and was only able to manage a swing of 2.4% compared with a statewide result of 6.8%. Perhaps reflecting a suppressed vote for Labor, the seat swung 2.2% in their favour at the 2010 election, compared with a statewide result of 0.8%. However, that still Labor 0.8% short of a win they had desperately hoped for to buttress losses in Queensland and New South Wales. With the seat off Labor’s target list in 2013, Southcott enjoyed a comfortable victory on the back of a 6.5% swing, which was 1.0% above the statewide par. Labor’s candidate in both 2010 and 2013 was Annabel Digance, who is now running in the seat of Elder for the March 15 state election.

Boothby has been held since 1996 by Andrew Southcott, who first won preselection at the age of 26 ahead of Robert Hill, the leading factional moderate in the Senate. The Right had reportedly built up strength in local branches with a view to unseating its bitter rival Steele Hall, and turned its guns on Hill as a “surrogate” when denied by Hall’s retirement. Unlike Hill, who went on to become government leader in the Senate, Southcott has led a fairly low-key parliamentary career, taking until after the 2007 election defeat to win promotion to Shadow Minister for Employment Participation, Apprenticeships and Training. After standing by Malcolm Turnbull in the December 2009 leadership vote, Southcott was demoted by a victorious Tony Abbott to parliamentary secretary, a position he has retained in government. Southcott’s preselection at the 2010 election was challenged by former state party president Chris Moriarty, following disquiet in the party over his fundraising record. However, Moriarty was heavily defeated, his challenge reported losing steam when Kevin Rudd’s first bid to return to the Labor leadership came to a head in February 2012.

William Bowe — Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe

Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, is one of the most heavily trafficked forums for online discussion of Australian politics, and joined the Crikey stable in 2008.

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1,687 thoughts on “Seat of the week: Boothby

  1. ruawake

    [“But I want to say as well that I take responsibility for other factors this evening as the LNP Leader and as Premier.

    “We understand that many of you feel that we perhaps haven’t listened enough, that we have perhaps moved too quickly, that we haven’t consulted you.

    “I pledge this evening to listen to that message – we hear it.

    “We will observe it, and we will do things differently as we go forward.]

    Bet you can’t Mr 5.7% Premier

  2. spur212

    Boothby: a seat the ALP could have easily won in 2007 and 2010 had they been better organised!

  3. himi

    ugh . . . too early in the morning for a seat that’s mostly painted blue.

  4. Socrates

    Morning all. Further to Ruawake, Campbell Newman cannot distance himself from the Redcliffe byelection thrashing. He campaigned personally in the seat,, and got this reception.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-22/campbell-newman-set-upon-by-protesters-at-redcliffe-poll-booth/5277326

  5. Fran Barlow

    Interesting (albeit very small scale) use of pumped storage plus wind with diesel as backup on El Hierro in the Canary Islands off the coast of Spain.

    http://ow.ly/tMj0q

    The pumped storage makes use of a volcanic crater for its lower reservoir and should come online on El Hierro this year.

    Apparently El Hierro started off with the idea of self-sufficiency — they import and burn a lot of dries to run their desal plants — but now they are going to cut this very sharply and aim for full energy self-sufficiency. Their fleet of vehicles will go electric and get charged from the near carbon-neutral grid and they are going the PVand solar water heating route.

  6. Everything

    [ruawake
    ….Bet you can’t Mr 5.7% Premier]

    If you are calling him Mr 5.7% Premier because his opposition only won 5.7% of the seats at the last election, you are wrong…..it was 7.9% (7/89).

  7. Gary

    That will change Mod in a big way at the next Qld election.

  8. Everything

    Agreed….but not likely to change enough to change the Premier.

  9. Acerbic Conehead

    With all this facilitation of downsizing the manufacturing side of the economy, there is a method to the madness of the Abbott Government.

    Conditions will soon apply where labour will be glad to accept reduced remuneration and lowered conditions at the employers’ whim. As Tony Abbott has said, “a bad boss is better than no boss!”

    Sing along with Tones as he points out the reality of a carpet-bagger economy.

    http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/carpetbagger

    Cue: “The Carpet Crawlers”, by Phil Collins and Genesis.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr_Y6Gjmm3Q

    The baggers brew up their schemes in their blue bedecked boardrooms
    The sweet scent of seduction stimulating their m.o.
    They’re moving in time to the chance of a killing
    Where their practiced eyes are twinkling, eyeing the big dough
    :- (
    The carpet baggers heed their calling:
    “We’ve got to get in to pig out
    We’ve got to get in to pig out
    We’ve got to get in to pig out”
    :- (
    There’s only one direction in the faces that I see
    It’s inward to their wallets, where their hearts care to be
    Like in the Merchant of Venice, Shylocks one, two and three
    They’re drawn by my magnet, guided democracy
    :- (
    The carpet baggers heed their calling:
    “We’ve got to get in to pig out
    We’ve got to get in to pig out
    We’ve got to get in to pig out”
    :- (
    Well-manicured conmen are waiting for their chance
    To take advantage of the day, when making things goes down the spout
    Opportunity beckons, their profits will enhance
    It’s the bottom of a staircase that spirals out of sight
    :- (
    The carpet baggers heed their calling:
    “We’ve got to get in to pig out
    We’ve got to get in to pig out
    We’ve got to get in to pig out”
    :- (
    Farewell to Ford n’ Holden, and alas to Ardmona
    We’ll see you on the other side, when the fire sale really starts
    The unions will be crushed, no workers will be donors
    It’ll be like an Ol’ Dixieland slave-mart
    :- (
    The carpet baggers heed their calling:
    “We’ve got to get in to pig out
    We’ve got to get in to pig out
    We’ve got to get in to pig out”

  10. Gary

    His own constituents may very well do that.

  11. mari

    Think William you had better tell people about this thread , people are still posting on the old one, including me himi alertd me

  12. himi

    Everything@6


    ruawake
    ….Bet you can’t Mr 5.7% Premier


    If you are calling him Mr 5.7% Premier because his opposition only won 5.7% of the seats at the last election, you are wrong…..it was 7.9% (7/89).

    That result was a serious indictment of the electoral system in Queensland. Getting 8% of the seats having received (from memory) about 26% of the two party preferred vote is a major fairness issue.

    himi

  13. cud chewer

    OMFG… This vacuuos waffle from Hockey in his presser about the G20 is sickening and embarrasing.

    And I nearly choked when he mentioned ‘digitisation’ whilst his mate Turnbull is screwing our communication future.

  14. daretotread

    Gary and everything

    I think that Qld is VERY volatile and could swing just as harshly against the Libs as they did Labor. These are the issues that I think are affecting voters:

    1. Hospitals – remember that under JOH Qld still had a first hospital system PUBLIC system. There is real fear about its loss

    2. Bikie laws – 10% in Redcliffe for the bikie guy. That is actually pretty bloody huge for a single issue candidate, given we can assume that 80% of the greens (civil liberty issue) and 50% of the Labor voters hate the laws

    3. The economy is in trouble since mining is in trouble

    4. Electricity princes have gone up and it is not being sheeted home to the Carbon Tax

    6. Public Transport is barely affordable and indeed prohibitive if you are part time on a low wage – ie PT might cost you $15.50 or your first hour or more of your shift.

    7. Public service cuts have made many small businesses fail in inner city areas

  15. zoomster

    Oh, this article will make ModLib very sad…

    Broadbent admits he’s the only moderate Liberal left.

    [”I’m not silent,” he said. ”There may be only one left, but I’m not silent. The government knows where I stand…]

    However, Fraser thinks Broadbent isn’t even that —

    [Former prime minister Malcolm Fraser, however, has little sympathy for MPs who do not speak out on matters of conscience.

    Of Broadbent’s reticence to speak out against events on Manus, Fraser says: ”Well, he doesn’t therefore think the principle is worth supporting.”]

    Troeth says:

    [”And I just think people are not willing to jeopardise their future career for an issue that isn’t in your face here in the electorate…]

    So much for the lion-hearted moderates willing to put their careers on the line for principle.

    As with so much of ModLib’s rosy view of the Liberals, her judgements are made on the basis of what was, not what is or will be.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/liberal-partys-moderate-voice-goes-silent-under-tony-abbotts-leadership-20140222-3391c.html#ixzz2u5YK3kGA

  16. dave

    [ Acerbic Conehead
    Posted Sunday, February 23, 2014 at 8:09 am | Permalink

    Conditions will soon apply where labour will be glad to accept reduced remuneration and lowered conditions at the employers’ whim. ]

    Yep – without unions too, thats what abbott wants,

  17. zoomster

    himi

    [That result was a serious indictment of the electoral system in Queensland. ]

    Exactly. Which is why it is (a) wrong of people to use the number of seats Labor holds in Queensland as an indicator of anything to do with Labor’s popularity or otherwise (they can use the primary vote, of course) and (b) perfectly possible that the next election could produce another disproportionate result (for one party or the other).

  18. Fran Barlow

    Himi

    [That result was a serious indictment of the electoral system in Queensland. Getting 8% of the seats having received (from memory) about 26% of the two party preferred vote is a major fairness issue.]

    If ever there were a case for proportional representation, QLD would be it.

  19. zoomster

    Sometimes I despair…

    This is a tweet I received as part of a climate change debate —

    [ Re: hottest 10 years argument. I was the tallest in all 10 of my last 10 years!]

    When I asked what that analogy had to do with — well, anything really — I got this response:

    [Shows how meaningless the ‘330 straight months of above avg temp’ stat is.]

    I hope the guy’s American, so I can blame their education system.

  20. frednk

    [ CO2 ‏@MyFirstCousin 9h

    Taxpayers are footing a more-than $73,400 nightly bill for detention centre staff. http://www.smh.com.au/national/133-million-hotel-bill-for-manus-island-staff-20140222-338wn.html … Better up the pension age then.
    ]

    Someone has noticed, this madness is costing gold as well as lives.

  21. poroti

    Zoomster @20

    That is weapons grade Stoopid.

  22. Fran Barlow

    Zoomster

    [I hope the guy’s American, so I can blame their education system.]

    Cognitive dissonance can blot out the impact of even good education. People who fear change — particularly in cases where it is seen as existential — often reach for CD as the most potent salve.

  23. frednk

    Laurie Oakes: LET’s not beat about the bush. Tony Abbott tells lies – & LET’s not beat about the bush. SS Morriscum tells bigger lies

  24. guytaur

    So given my post @ 12 does Manus closing strike a blow to Abbott’s AS policy as bad as the drownings off Christmas Island did to Labor’s?

  25. frednk

    Oops lost the context
    [
    TheFinnigans天地有道人无道 ‏@Thefinnigans 39m

    Laurie Oakes: LET’s not beat about the bush. Tony Abbott tells lies – & LET’s not beat about the bush. SS Morriscum tells bigger lies
    ]

  26. Everything

    I see I have had a dramatic effect on you with my comments zoomster! :devil:

    You have names a small number of Liberal moderates and argued that they are few in number and fewer now than in the past.

    Can you name a single ALP MP that has stood up to defend refugee and asylum seekers?

    One?

    Did ALP MPs call for an end to offshore processing when they were in government and there were riots?

  27. himi

    Fran Barlow@19

    Himi


    That result was a serious indictment of the electoral system in Queensland. Getting 8% of the seats having received (from memory) about 26% of the two party preferred vote is a major fairness issue.


    If ever there were a case for proportional representation, QLD would be it.

    I don’t know – proportional representation always seems to me to be somewhat dependant on having a nice big sample size, and having enough seats to apportion representation widely. It might work at a national level, but at a state level it seems like it’d be pulling from a little too small a pool.

    Maybe that’s not really an issue, but it does make me a bit uncomfortable.

    himi

  28. guytaur

    himi

    The answer to your small sample size. Tasmania. Works there.

  29. guytaur

    “@danielhurstbne: Pyne tells Sky #Redcliffe voters sent message “you’re not immune from the democratic processes..we the ppl are still sovereign” #qldpol”

  30. guytaur

    @tveedercom: Now, follow the live transcript of this mornings #Insiders http://t.co/eJAGxs1qo0 (via @ABCNews24)

  31. victoria

    Morning

    As posted by BK at other thread

    2321
    BK
    Posted Sunday, February 23, 2014 at 7:33 am | PERMALINK
    Good morning Dawn Patrollers.
    These clowns should never have been let near public schoolchildren!
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-23/biblezine-complaint-sparks-probe-into-religious-educator/5277766
    Morriscum late on Saturday night admits he is a misleading flake!
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/scott-morrison-admits–information-he-gave-on-manus-riot-was-wrong-20140222-339hs.html
    Here’s Bianca Hall’s take on it.
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/disquiet-at-aid-without-liability-20140222-338l7.html
    Turnbull puts his foot down and this is what hapens!
    http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/mobiles/travellers-to-pay-telstra-up-to-500-more-20140222-3398x.html
    I hope Hadley has a nice week off.
    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/ray-hadley-off-air-for-a-week-after-application-for-avo-20140222-338zg.html
    What a surprise.
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/modelling-finds-gp-fee-no-moneysaver-20140222-338zd.html
    Abbott has subjugated all vestiges of decency and moderation in his party.
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/liberal-partys-moderate-voice-goes-silent-under-tony-abbotts-leadership-20140222-3391c.html
    Sinodinis is playing with fire here.
    http://www.smh.com.au/business/beware-of-getting-burnt-in-the-financial-services-boilerroom-culture-20140221-337kc.html
    This is what Cathy Wilcox thinks it has all come to.
    http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/federal-politics/cartoons/cathy-wilcox-20090909-fhd6.html

  32. victoria

    2327
    BK
    Posted Sunday, February 23, 2014 at 7:49 am | PERMALINK
    And from the Land of the Free –

    A Tea Party nutter joins in the Kentucky Senate race.
    http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2014/02/22/pack-babies-grab-old-ladies-everyones-longer-safe-kentucky/
    All of the Repugs’ Obamacare “horror stories” seem to get debunked.
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/21/1279312/-Are-there-any-real-Obamacare-horror-nbsp-stories
    Bill Maher on “personalised news” that is becoming more prevalent on the internet.
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/mahers-new-rule-hearing-stories-that-confirm-your-beliefs-isnt-news-its-fox-news/
    Bill Maher with some funny masturbation pamphlets.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/22/bill-maher-overcoming-masturbation_n_4838140.html

  33. zoomster

    Melissa Parkes.

    Notice how the party promoted her, not punished her.

  34. guytaur

    “@GreenJ: indeed gerard, our prisons are routinely overrun by locals … inmates clubbed to death.”

  35. zoomster

    ModLib

    I will also point out that the cultures of the parties are different.

    One says you can say what you like up until the caucus votes, and then you must accept the majority decision. MPs accept those rules on preselection.

    Another one claims to be the party of individual conscience, where MPs can speak out without fear or favour and can cross the floor with impunity.

    Huge difference.

  36. Everything

    Ha ha 🙂 Are we supposed to know who she is?

    What did she say?

  37. WeWantPaul

    [As with so much of ModLib’s rosy view of the Liberals, her judgements are made on the basis of what was, not what is or will be.]

    Much more of a ‘might have been’ rather than a ‘was’.

  38. DisplayName

    Mod
    [Ha ha 🙂 Are we supposed to know who she is?]
    Are you seriously asking this question? You’re the one that claims no-one in Labor speaks up and now you’re admitting to not actually knowing whether they do or not!

  39. Everything

    [zoomster
    Posted Sunday, February 23, 2014 at 9:10 am | PERMALINK
    ModLib

    I will also point out that the cultures of the parties are different.

    One says you can say what you like up until the caucus votes, and then you must accept the majority decision. MPs accept those rules on preselection.

    Another one claims to be the party of individual conscience, where MPs can speak out without fear or favour and can cross the floor with impunity.

    Huge difference.]

    That is true, but it is not an excuse.

    If you entered politics because you believed in stuff, then show that belief.

    If you entered politics to advance your career, then keep on doing what you are doing.

  40. confessions

    Morning all.

    [The Coalition’s hold on power in Victoria could be under threat after a National Party MP was charged with firearms offences.

    Mildura MP Peter Crisp is due to face court in May over a number of charges including the possession of a prohibited firearm and the possession of guns without a licence.

    He was charged after reporting the theft of three guns from his farm in New South Wales.

    If convicted, Mr Crisp would be ineligible to sit in Parliament, which would force a by-election and could threaten the Coalition’s ability to govern.]

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-22/victorian-mp-charged-with-firearms-offences/5277350

    Too many ‘ifs’ and ‘coulds’, but still interesting to see how this progresses.

  41. Everything

    zoomster
    …One says you can say what you like up until the caucus votes, and then you must accept the majority decision. MPs accept those rules on preselection.]

    ….and where are the views up until the caucus votes then????

    [Another one claims to be the party of individual conscience, where MPs can speak out without fear or favour and can cross the floor with impunity.]

    Yes, the Liberal way is better, isn’t it?

  42. Everything

    [DisplayName
    Posted Sunday, February 23, 2014 at 9:14 am | PERMALINK
    Mod

    Ha ha 🙂 Are we supposed to know who she is?

    Are you seriously asking this question? You’re the one that claims no-one in Labor speaks up and now you’re admitting to not actually knowing whether they do or not!]

    Well if you know her and what she said so well, pray tell…..

  43. guytaur

    “@justinbarbour: “If Scott Morrison thinks that a written statement at 9PM on a Saturday night is transparent, then he is wrong” @bowenchris #insiders”

  44. DisplayName

    Mod
    [Yes, the Liberal way is better, isn’t it?]
    Was.

  45. confessions

    [The Prime Minister has deflected questions over the rollout of the National Broadband Network in Tasmania, after days of media scrutiny over the issue.

    Tony Abbott was in Hobart to help Mr Hodgman campaign ahead of the election.

    The Federal Government is planning to include the old copper network in the rollout of the National Broadband Network in Tasmania from 2015.

    The State Opposition Leader Will Hodgman has said the issue could cost the Liberals the state election on March 15.

    Tony Abbott was in Hobart to help Mr Hodgman campaign ahead of the election and said the NBN will be delivered in Tasmania.

    “What Will and I have discussed is the importance of actually getting the NBN happening,” Mr Abbott said.]
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-22/tony-abbott-deflects-nbn-questions-on-his-visit-to-tasmania-to-/5277428?section=tas

    Of course, the aim is to get through the state election without alerting voters to the fact they’re about to be screwed over. Once the election is done and dusted, they can do whatever they like.

    Just as the govt made all kinds of assurances about the GP co-payment before the Griffith by-election, only to announce the very same thing once the by-election was over.

  46. DisplayName

    Mod
    [Well if you know her and what she said so well, pray tell…..]
    Huh? We’re talking about your knowledge of people speaking up.

    I had simply taken your braggadocio on the matter along with my own lack of recollection of anyone speaking up recently – the latter I consider insufficient by itself – that they hadn’t. Now I find out you’ve just been making it up and don’t actually know.

  47. DisplayName

    The more fool me.

  48. zoomster

    Everything

    [If you entered politics because you believed in stuff, then show that belief.

    If you entered politics to advance your career, then keep on doing what you are doing.]

    and exactly the same argument can be made against every member of the Liberal party, without the same excuse.

  49. DisplayName

    By the way. Even if she didn’t speak up, you don’t actually know!

    Evidence from you:
    [Ha ha 🙂 Are we supposed to know who she is?]

    Someone who is always calling out others on using terms like “always” and “never” and questioning whether they’re exaggerating should really be more careful themselves.

  50. victoria

    Has everything had anything at all to say about Morrison’s conduct this week. Anything to say about the Navy incursions and their excuses. Anything at all re details of the asylum seekers online in breach of their security and privacy??

  51. poroti

    victoria

    re “These clowns should never have been let near public schoolchildren”

    Look who is making money out of the “biblezine”.

    [The material, produced by the News Corp-owned Nelson Bibles, America’s largest Christian publishing house, also “exposes the lie of safe sex”,]

    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/uproar-at-biblezine-sex-tips-for-kids-20140222-338zn.html

  52. victoria

    poroti

    It beggars belief. We are in 2014. Not 1514

  53. Everything

    I think I understand DN:

    You are mocking me for not knowing what Melissa Parkes said about AS while admitting that you don’t know what Melissa Parkes said about AS.

    Yeah?

  54. victoria

    Poroti

    I should have added, but of course, where people can be exploited for monetary gain is timeless

  55. DisplayName

    Mocking?

    No, I don’t think you do understand, Mod.

  56. WeWantPaul

    [Of course, the aim is to get through the state election without alerting voters to the fact they’re about to be screwed over. Once the election is done and dusted, they can do whatever they like.

    Just as the govt made all kinds of assurances about the GP co-payment before the Griffith by-election, only to announce the very same thing once the by-election was over.]

    The sad thing is Tasmanian voters will know how corruptly the Abbott liberal government works and if they vote labor then there is more chance of Abbott freezing the NBN in Tasmania completely than there is of a Tasmanian Labor government convincing the worst, most politically biased and most dishonest Australian Government ever to do the right thing.

  57. victoria

    I have worked it out

    Everything is code for much ado about nothing

  58. Everything

    [victoria
    Posted Sunday, February 23, 2014 at 9:23 am | PERMALINK
    Has everything had anything at all to say about Morrison’s conduct this week.]

    I think Morrison is appalling.

    I think Offshore processing is appalling.

    I think Burke was appalling as well.

    I think Keating’s mandatory detention laws were appalling (in fact, I agree with the AMA that mandatory detention of children is a form of child abuse).

    I think Gillard’s lurch to the right is appalling.

    I think the Liberal governments continuation of these policies is also appalling.

  59. guytaur

    Insiders playing Vogue sums up Abbott so well

  60. Everything

    I try, DN, I really do….its just that the arguments are so convoluted and self-contradictory and so those of us in the real world, struggle with the alternate reality interpretation of events! :devil:

  61. zoomster

    ModLib

    [….and where are the views up until the caucus votes then????]

    You seriously don’t know? Because Melissa Parkes was the one who sprung to mind, but there’s more who have done that.

    Dougie Cameron, Anna Burke (against reintroducing Manus), Senator Lin Thorp, Joanne Ryan, Lisa Chester, etc…

    Looks like there’s more dissenters willing to speak out in Labor ranks than there are in the Liberals.

  62. confessions

    WWP:

    Hodgman has made soothing, placating noises about pressuring the federal govt to deliver the NBN as intended. But of course we know from experience that once his party has won the election, they’ll just roll over and accept the second rate infrastructure the federal govt intends imposing on Tasmanians.

  63. DisplayName

    Mod
    [I try, DN, I really do….its just that the arguments are so convoluted and self-contradictory and so those of us in the real world, struggle with the alternate reality interpretation of events!
    Oh I see. My being pissed off at taking someone at their word who claims to care about an issue as I do only to find out they’ve been less than careful in their claims and have simply been making stuff up is convoluted and self-contradictory.

    Fine. You can take your self-projected “mocking” and shove it.

  64. kevjohnno

    daretotread

    Posted Sunday, February 23, 2014 at 8:24 am | Permalink

    Gary and everything

    I think that Qld is VERY volatile and could swing just as harshly against the Libs as they did Labor. These are the issues that I think are affecting voters:

    1. Hospitals – remember that under JOH Qld still had a first hospital system PUBLIC system. There is real fear about its loss

    2. Bikie laws – 10% in Redcliffe for the bikie guy. That is actually pretty bloody huge for a single issue candidate, given we can assume that 80% of the greens (civil liberty issue) and 50% of the Labor voters hate the laws]

    DTT Len Thomas was not a single issue candidate and the anti bikie laws were only a tiny part of his platform. He cleverly tapped into a number of local issues such as utility costs(particularly water), council amalgamation (many Redcliffe residents want Redcliffe city back), reduction in health services etc. He was a great protest vote candidate and his results reflected that. Many of his supporters will also be still mad at the previous Labor government for much of that.

  65. victoria

    Everything

    The coalition had been egging Labor on since Rudd was PM to pick up the phone to Nauru and PNG to re commence offshore processing.
    Gillard commissioned the Houston report and their recommendations apparently vindicated the coalition.

  66. guytaur

    Everything

    Labor has a group called Labor4refugees. What is the name of the liberal one and are you a member?

  67. confessions

    Melissa Parke was a lawyer with the UN before entering parliament. Her opposition to the then Malaysia Solution was very public at the time.

  68. Steve777

    Abbott, Hockey and other Ministers blaming their ongoing failures on the ‘Carbon Tax’.

  69. DisplayName

    Especially someone who is always so careful to point out everyone else’s exaggerations. Who would have thought they couldn’t be bothered checking for their own?

  70. Everything

    Speak out how? I agree there are ALP MPs who are against these policies, I have absolutely no doubt about that. Are they causing a public ruckus like the moderate Liberals? Troeth, Broadbent, Petro, Judi Moylan….these people actually stood up out of the trenches and agitated. They crossed floors. They went public. You are talking about people whispering mild suggestions while peaking around from behind doors!

    I llike Dougie and Anna Burke. I think these are the exact people who should speak out more vociferously. The others I don’t know and have never heard them say anything about this…..they must have been very timid!

  71. Everything

    [guytaur
    Posted Sunday, February 23, 2014 at 9:32 am | PERMALINK
    Everything

    Labor has a group called Labor4refugees. What is the name of the liberal one and are you a member?]

    I am not a member of the Liberal party, and have never been, so ….no, I am not a member of any subgroup.

    What are they called? They don’t need a name, they are the “moderates” (not hard to find, there are so few of them!)

  72. zoomster

    fess

    and she has only recently resigned as Shadow Minister and was a junior Minister before that – unlike Liberal MPs who spoke out against their party’s AS policy, she hasn’t been relegated to the back bench.

    So the difference with ModLib celebrates is that in the Liberal party, if you speak out of conscience, you do risk your career…in the Labor party, if you do, you don’t.

  73. Everything

    [in the Labor party, if you do, you don’t.]

    in the Labor party, you don’t, because you know what happens if you do.

    There….fixed!

  74. WeWantPaul

    [ Troeth, Broadbent, Petro, Judi Moylan….these people actually stood up out of the trenches and agitated.]

    Moylan was my local member and I had quite a bit of respect for her, but your definition of agitate and crossing the floor is clearly different to mine, at one point she said somethings in the media that made me think she was about to do something courageous and agitate but she didn’t carry through.

  75. zoomster

    ModLib

    right. So Labor members care enough about the issue to have an internal lobby group, the Libs have one MP, who isn’t even prepared to speak out on the issue.

    Labor clearly does not discourage dissent, does not penalise MPs when they do speak out, and has more MPs in Parliament who are prepared to go on the public record with their dissent than the Liberals do.

  76. Everything

    [WeWantPaul
    Posted Sunday, February 23, 2014 at 9:37 am | PERMALINK
    Troeth, Broadbent, Petro, Judi Moylan….these people actually stood up out of the trenches and agitated.

    Moylan was my local member and I had quite a bit of respect for her]

    I had great respect for all of them as well, and it is very sad that these folk and Dr Washer and others are no longer there to moderate policies….

  77. confessions

    zoomster:

    It’s perfectly obvious that Liberals speaking out are punished. Look at all the times Moylan and Washer were paired just so their party didn’t suffer the ignominy of having them cross the floor.

  78. zoomster

    ModLib

    [in the Labor party, you don’t, because you know what happens if you do.]

    I have just provided you with several examples of Labor MPs who have criticised Labor’s stand on AS, and whose careers have not suffered because of it.

    Get over the denial and look at the facts.

  79. guytaur

    Everything

    Thank you. Seeing as you admit there are less moderates to influence AS policy in the Liberals you should consider supporting another party.

    The Greens seem closest to what you want. Then PUP, then Labor then Liberal

  80. victoria

    [(Reuters) – Australia asked Cambodia, one of Asia’s poorest countries, on Saturday to take in asylum seekers detained while trying to reach the Australian coast and Cambodia said it would think about it.]

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/22/us-cambodia-australia-idUSBREA1L06D20140222

  81. zoomster

    ModLib

    [and it is very sad that these folk and Dr Washer and others are no longer there to moderate policies]

    Right. So stop living in the past. What Liberal MPs did what a decade ago has nothing to do with the modern party (my list of Labor dissenters would be a lot, lot longer if I thought going back even five years was of any relevance).

    Have you considered why these people are no longer in Parliament? It’s because they knew there was no place for them in the modern Liberal party.

  82. Everything

    [guytaur
    ….The Greens seem closest to what you want. ]

    Indeed….on this issue, unfortunately, not on other issues!

    [Then PUP,]

    Yes, probably true.

    [ then Labor then Liberal]

    Labor has agreed with every Liberal policy, whereas, the Liberal party still doesn’t support rendition. Although, there are reports today that Cambodia is having discussions with Bishop and that might be about some form of rendition- lets see.

  83. guytaur

    “@mumbletwits: According to Twitter,Gerard arguing for the release of Rudd govt cabinet papers. How the mighty have fallen.”

  84. victoria

    everything

    Refer to my post at 81

  85. confessions

    And while boats continue to take centre stage, nobody is talking about the fact that more Australian jobs have been lost under this govt than during the GFC.

    So far the govt’s response to saving Australian jobs is to increase the age at which people qualify for the pension, and treat the G20 as some kind of focus group.

  86. Everything

    [zoomster
    ….I have just provided you with several examples of Labor MPs who have criticised Labor’s stand on AS, and whose careers have not suffered because of it.]

    An hour in and we have no-one here, all political tragics, that can remember a single condemnation of the ALP policy on the matter. Not supporting Manus is hardly the same as the level of condemnation of such policies by the Lib moderates!

    [Get over the denial and look at the facts.]

    I am very happy for you to console yourself with the delusion that the ALP speaks out to defend these vulnerable people. As long as that is working for you, don’t worry about me! :devil: