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Mar 24, 2014

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GhostWhoVotes relates that the latest Newspoll has Labor leading 52-48, up from 51-49 last fortnight. Labor is up a point on the primary vote to 36%, and the Coalition down one to 40%. More to follow. UPDATE: The Australian report relates that Bill Shorten’s approval rating is up three points to 36%, which is the first time a poll has moved in his favour in quite a while. UPDATE 2: Full tables here; to fill in the blanks, Shorten’s disapproval is steady at 43%, Tony Abbott is up two on approval to 40% and steady on disapproval at 50%, and Abbott’s lead as preferred prime minister nudges from 42-36 to 43-36.

Today’s Morgan result, combining its regular face-to-face and SMS polling from the last two weekends, was the Coalition’s worst since the election, recording a 1.5% shift on the primary vote from the Coalition (to 38%) to Labor (38.5%), with the Greens down a point to 11% and Palmer United up half a point to 4.5%. On 2013 election preferences, this gives Labor a 53.5-46.5 lead, up from 52.5-47.5 a fortnight ago, while on respondent-allocated preferences the shift is from 53.5-46.5 to 54.5-45.5. Morgan has also been in the business lately of providing selective state-level two-party results, which are presumably based on respondent-allocated preferences. From this poll we are told Labor had unlikely leads of 56.5-43.5 in Queensland and 52-48 in Western Australia, together with leads of 54.5-45.5 in New South Wales and 55-45 in Victoria, and an unspecified “narrow” lead in South Australia.

UPDATE (Essential Research): Essential Research has Labor back up a point on the primary vote after it fell two last week, now at 37%, with the Coalition up one for a second week. The Greens and Palmer United are at 9% and 4%, with others down a point and the other loose point coming off rounding. Respondents were quizzed about the attributes of the major parties, which provides good news for Labor in that “divided” is down 14% to 58%, and “clear about what they stand for” is up 8% to 42%. Those are also the biggest movers for the Liberals, respectively down 6% and up 7%, although they are still performing better than Labor on each at 50% and 32%. The worst differential for Labor is still “divided”, at 26% in favour of the Liberals, while for the Liberals it’s “too close to the big corporate and financial interests”, which is at 62% for Liberal and 34% for Labor.

A question reading “as far as you know, do you think taxes in Australia are higher or lower than in other developed countries” turns up the fascinating finding that 64% of respondents believed they were higher versus only 8% for lower, while 65% believed taxes to have increased over the last five years versus 9% for decreased. Forty-seven per cent believe the current level of taxation is enough versus 33% who believe they will need to increase. The poll also finds 50% opposed to following New Zealand’s example in holding a referendum on changing the flag versus only 31% supportive.

William Bowe — Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe

Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, is one of the most heavily trafficked forums for online discussion of Australian politics, and joined the Crikey stable in 2008.

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1,384 thoughts on “Newspoll: 52-48 to Labor

  1. Leroy Lynch

    Note this is only the teaser article. Full article at midnight.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/abbott-support-still-strong-in-latest-newspoll/story-fn59niix-1226863729870#

    [Abbott support still strong in latest Newspoll
    Dennis Shanahan, Political editor
    The Australian March 24, 2014 10:45PM

    VOTER satisfaction with Bill Shorten has lifted slightly but the dramatic decision of assistant treasurer Arthur Sinodinos to step aside in relation to a NSW corruption hearing appears not to have hit the Abbott government in the past two weeks.]

  2. sprocket_

    Shanahan busy polishing the Abbott

  3. Fulvio Sammut

    That sow will be having hearing problems in the future …

  4. victoria

    confessions

    Being a footy tragic, I have been watching the footy shows tonight.

    Was qanda any good?

  5. guytaur

    @marcialangton: The new definition of freedom from Attorney General George Brandis: Australians have a right to be bigots: http://t.co/YoFLDdnbFH

  6. sustainable future

    I love the way the Oz reports bad newspolls – ‘abbott support still strong’ and *cough* theLNPwouldloseanelectionheldnow48:52.

    under howard I recall a banner headline ‘HOWARD UP BY 3%’ – the result was similar to this – his net dissatisfaction was down by 3% but according to the poll he was facing a 45:55 wipeout.

    I wonder if they chuckle as they do it, or are so fanatical they don’t notice they are doing it.

  7. Kevin Bonham

    My aggregate now 51.1 to Labor. Was 50-50 following weekend reset pre Newspoll and Morgan but last week’s score was 50.4 to Labor.

  8. sohar

    So with the Morgan and the NP, the probable numbers are 53/47.

  9. guytaur

    “@sspencer_63: Hysterical! Rt @profsarahj: With ALP leading LNP 52 to 48 in Newspoll, this is Dennis Shanahan’s interpretation: http://t.co/l9RWuFRFii”

  10. zoidlord

    Possum Comitatus ‏@Pollytics 21s

    Not enough drugs in world to read Shanahan

  11. Arrnea Stormbringer

    If Morgan’s close to the money on the 2PP in WA and the Palmer PV, then the figures look good to produce a result of 2 Liberal, 2 Labor, 1 PUP, 1 Green.

    The key will be whether Palmer can pass the Liberal surplus after two quotas – with the Liberal vote deflated so and Palmer’s vote that high, I don’t think he’ll have a problem doing so.

  12. Arrnea Stormbringer

    Maybe those DVDs Palmer sent to just about every household in WA did the trick?

  13. Kevin Bonham

    Re #9, the Morgan is 53.5 by last-election preferences which needs to be adjusted downwards because of Morgan skew. So even the Morgan and Newspoll averaged should come out to more like 52. But that’s against the backdrop of much closer results from others.

  14. confessions

    victoria:

    Eddie was staunch in his defence of Demetriou – not surprising given he’s an AFL club president. But he was also pretty scathing of the Hirds, in particular Mrs Hird.

  15. sohar

    I don’t think old polls carry much weight these days – you can only really go on a snapshot of what has happened most recently in polling. These things change so quickly. I imagine Essential with have a more conservative Labor lead, if any at all.

  16. victoria

    confessions

    Not surprised that eddie made those comments. I will try and catch up with qanda on iview

  17. Rossmore

    Latest Newspoll. Has any new incoming government had a worse start in the polls? No honeymoon, no new legislation, one of its star performers in the poo before ICAC, the AG defending the rights of bigots and todays news on a backflip on trailing commissions for the financial advisors.

    Has Abbott fallen out with Brandis, with the latter defending the rights of bigots in Parliament and the former saying there’s no place in Oz for bigotry in QT. Go figure.

  18. zoidlord

    & with that, that’s me for tonight, will leave you a quote from Star Trek Enterprise Episode, “Stigma”, on bigotry:
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0572239/quotes

    “Captain Jonathan Archer: “You Humans are too… volatile, too irrational, too narrow-minded.” That’s what I heard for years – from every Vulcan I met. But we don’t hold a candle to you when it comes to narrow-minded. We got rid of bigotry nearly a century ago. We’re not afraid of diversity. We don’t persecute it, we embrace it. If you call yourselves enlightened, you have to accept people who are different than you are. “

  19. sustainable future

    [My aggregate now 51.1 to Labor. Was 50-50 following weekend reset pre Newspoll and Morgan but last week’s score was 50.4 to Labor.]

    how’s the WA greens vote looking? are we one track for a 3 LNP:2 ALP:1 green senate result – or dare we dream of the libs not getting 3?

  20. ShowsOn

    [Latest Newspoll. Has any new incoming government had a worse start in the polls? No honeymoon, no new legislation, one of its star performers in the poo before ICAC, the AG defending the rights of bigots and todays news on a backflip on trailing commissions for the financial advisors.]
    Let’s just wait and see what happens after the budget. That’s when we will find out what the government really wants to do.

    For the last 6 months all they have done is tried to re-prosecute the election. They don’t have anything to say other than repealing the carbon and mining taxes. But after the budget they will finally have to tell us what they really want to do and I suspect most people won’t like it.

  21. Frodo Baggins

    [“Has any new incoming government had a worse start in the polls?”]

    Well there was this one:
    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2011/09/05/newspoll-59-41-to-coalition/

  22. sprocket_

    [walkthedogma ‏@walkthedogma 2m
    I voted today,nobody there. AEC girls were giggling over how dirty it sounded to say ‘one above or 77 below ‘ #wavotes]

  23. lefty e

    Ace result. General Erection Now!

    Meanwhile, Pyney whines about the SA LNP’s failure to win enough seats, which is apparently now an ‘illegitimate’ reason to be denied government: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/24/christopher-pynes-fury-at-illegitimate-sa-government-smacks-of-sore-loser?CMP=soc_567

    Awww, diddums. Seems to happen to you guys a lot. Perhaps you could ponder: why do otherwise conservative rural indies HATE you so much? 🙁

  24. sohar

    I’m not sure how an aggregate can include polls that were done a few weeks ago. Surely the best snapshot would be the latest polls – NP, Morgan and Essential (when it come out tomorrow). Nielsen, Galaxy, etc. are ancient history now.

  25. pedant

    Rossmore @ 18: While we are on the subject of Senator Brandeis, let’s not forget the s*** sandwich he had to devour recently in the aftermath of the ICJ ruling on the Timor case. He’s not the first two-bit provincial lawyer and political SC/QC to be AG – remember Billy Snedden – but he’s probably the first one in a long time who was deluded enough to think himself to be a real lawyer.

  26. Steve777

    Has Abbott fallen out with Brandis, with the latter defending the rights of bigots in Parliament and the former saying there’s no place in Oz for bigotry in QT. Go figure.

    Nothing unusual. Just the Coalition collectively speaking out of both sides of its mouth.

  27. Arrnea Stormbringer

    @ sustainable future 20

    If Palmer is polling 10.5% in WA, but Labor is leading 52-48 on 2PP, it clearly means that much of Palmer’s vote is coming off of the Libs – their PV can’t be higher than about 38 or 39(!) off of that.

    That’s not enough to get a third Senate seat – not with Palmer polling more than enough to clear the surplus and gain it to get him over the line.

  28. guytaur

    With WA figures from Morgan be cautious due to Margin of error.

    It could be worse or better for LNP than figures show.

  29. guytaur

    Wow now I am posting the obvious, Time for sleep.

    Goodnight

  30. cud chewer

    I’d say I’ve seen enough polls to declare that there’s been a real shift in underlying voter behavior. I wouldn’t go so far as to say “if there were an election now, Labor would win” but it is looking better for Labor.

    Put it this way, if we the people could demand a fresh election I’d say go for it. If for no other reason than to stop Abbott/Turnbull/Murdoch wrecking the NBN.

    Now we’ll have to wait and see how things fare post budget. Will it be a horror budget? Will it include lots of spin and sweeteners. Will News Limited polish the turd. No strike that, of course they will. But will the electorate continue to swallow it.. have to wait till June.

  31. lefty e

    [But after the budget they will finally have to tell us what they really want to do and I suspect most people won’t like it.]

    Yep: it you think these polls look bad, just wait.

    Plus Newman has *completely* lost his %$#*& marbles in QLD. These proposed Dept Health contracts seek to require state doctors consider the cheapest medical options over the most appropriate.

    Newman might as well print a t-shirt which says “please bury me alive electorally”

  32. sohar

    Re Morgan, I find it hard to believe the Libs are behind in WA. The other states, apart from Qld, are probably about right.

  33. cud chewer

    Armea.. I wonder.. could we get a 2-1-2-1 result in the WA Senate.

    2 Lib, 1 Palmer, 2 Labor, 1 Green.

    That would be fun!

  34. lefty e

    [If Palmer is polling 10.5% in WA, but Labor is leading 52-48 on 2PP]

    WTF, wheres this WA poll?

  35. lefty e

    Oh, its Morgan.

    Ehh.

  36. Arrnea Stormbringer

    @ cud chewer 34

    Entirely possible on those numbers.

    @ lefty e 35

    Latest Morgan.

  37. Tom the first and best

    34

    I read somewhere that there is a chance of 2 ALP, 2 Lib, 1 Green, 1 HEMP (HEMP being in a good position for the micro party snowball). That sounds like the least friendly possible outcome for the government.

  38. Rossmore

    Frodo Baggins 22 … cute, but a false comparison.

    That was a Government that had been in power for 15 months, in its second term , having messily deposed of its previous leader.

    The LNP is a new Gov. The better comparison is with the new Rudd Gov in its first year of gov in 2008 Like this one:

    Nielsen (May 15-17, 2008): Coalition – 43%, ALP – 57%

  39. lefty e

    1 HEMP sounds like a good result to me.

    Could signal the GRNs entering the mainstream.

  40. sustainable future

    cud chewer

    would this make palmer kingmaker, our would sen X have that role. i think abbott would need all the pup, far right loons and sen X if we have a labor 2 and green 1 in wa. is that right? if so, it may save his government – if the far right loons gave abbott his head he’d go too far too fast an lose massively in 2016. if he had sen x as gate keeper he’ll be kept to the centre and not allowed to get the worst of his IPA masters’ agenda through.

  41. fredex

    “Abbott support still strong in latest Newspoll”

    Strange headline in the OO.

    There is no mention of Abbott’s numbers in the article.
    The COALition is further behind than in the previous poll.
    The LOTO’s numbers have improved.

    Strange headline, even presuming an update at midnight gives Abbott’s numbers and they are better its still a headline entirely unjustified by the information in the article.

  42. lefty e

    [Nielsen (May 15-17, 2008): Coalition – 43%, ALP – 57%]

    Well this result is obviously a honeymoon on crack, and unrepresenative. But no-one ought underestimate how shit the Abbott govt is travelling.

    I actually think its fair to say they have a hill to climb to get back in in 2016: that hill is near unprecedented popular distrust. But as Howard noted – and its true – being in government means you cant be ruled out.

  43. lefty e

    “Abbott support still strong in latest Newspoll”

    Thank you Fox News.

  44. cud chewer

    What I am led to believe is that if the result in WA is 3 Lib, 2 Lab, 1 Grn then Labor plus green would need to find 2 more cross bench Senators to block legislation (Senate merely requires a tie of 38-38 for that). Of course Palmer could potentially join Labor and Green to block legislation if he wanted to.

    Now if its 2 Lib 1 PUP 2 Lab and 1 Grn in WA, that gives Palmer a larger bloc, but that doesn’t change the situation that Labor and Green would need 2 more Senators to block legislation. So it’d probably only matter if the PUP senators were split on some issue.

    For me one of the critical issues is the NBN, and I’m hoping that the Libs can be frustrated in the Senate. They can certainly cause NBNco damage but the vast majority of possible deals that one could do with Telstra would require legislation of some sort. And a lot of it (like watering down the ACCC) might offend some of the cross bench Senators.

    I’m hoping X shows some common sense and that someone else can be reasoned with.

  45. sohar

    Howard was saying that being in government made it possible to re-direct money to buy votes from specific groups, and in combination with policy. The problem Abbott has is that he is incapable of producing policy and it is not in his nature to be nice to people by buying votes.

  46. cud chewer

    lefty,

    Its a shame Rudd didn’t use some of his honeymoon to home in on things like middle class welfare and restore budget revenue. As well as undoing some of Howards own particular brand of class warfare (rudd was too much of a “nice guy” in that respect)

  47. cud chewer

    [Howard was saying that being in government made it possible to re-direct money to buy votes from specific groups, and in combination with policy. The problem Abbott has is that he is incapable of producing policy and it is not in his nature to be nice to people by buying votes.]

    Abbott understands that people can be bought or bullied. He hasn’t figured out yet that they can be won over by doing something constructive.

  48. cud chewer

    Today I saw the inevitable Abbott in yellow hat. Seems he’s going to be the people of Western Sydney’s friend.

    So, apart from Westconnex, what is he actually going to support that isn’t public transport? Public transport being way too socialist a concept.

  49. Tom the first and best

    45

    That is why I hope it goes 2 ALP, 2 Lib, 1 Green and 1 HEMP. HEMP do not sound Abbott friendly.

  50. Thomas. Paine.

    [lus Newman has *completely* lost his %$#*& marbles in QLD. These proposed Dept Health contracts seek to require state doctors consider the cheapest medical options over the most appropriate.]

    This is because he is a firm adherent of the hypocrite. No life too cheap.

    Qld Health Minister’s new policy

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kllZsaNGtVg

  51. Rossmore

    Lefty e … I suspect the Abbott Government could face the same fate as the Napthine Government, in Victoria, a one termer in both cases. Both government’s have an odour of buyer’s remorse, the LNP federally more so.

    Todays mixed messages on bigotry from Brandis and Abbott, and Cormann backing away from trailing commissions for the spivs suggests to me they are in a mess with no coherent narrative.

    Compare and contrast the new Rudd Government’s performance in 2008, Nielsen (May 15-17, 2008): Coalition – 43%, ALP – 57% with tonight’s shocking poll results for the Government from Newspoll and Morgan.

  52. Fran Barlow

    Shaky Isles about to beat Saffers?

  53. Steve777

    Meanwhile, Pyney whines about the SA LNP’s failure to win enough seats, which is apparently now an ‘illegitimate’ reason to be denied government

    So is that yapping imbecile Pyne suggesting there were illegalities about the election? That the electorates were gerrymandered or malaportioned? Does he think John Howard should have gone to the Governor General and resign in 1998 because he got less than 50% of the 2PP? That if Abbott had won over the independents in 2010 but it then emerged that he won only 49.9% of the 2PP that he should have refused the Prime Ministership? Is he recommending that the SA Opposition stage a coup?

    On the other hand, maybe his definition of illegitimate is any non-LNP win. After all, the LNP has an inalienable right to rule.

    He should be asked to specify how he wants to change the system so that 50% of 2PP + 1 is required to form Government. Of course he’d need facts and logic to come up with ideas – not an LNP thing.

    Pyne has made only a destructive contribution to the Australian polity. He will be a wrecker in education when he’s not playing silly Parliamentary games. His legacy will be shredded as soon as possible after Abbott and his clowns are booted into the political oblivion they so richly deserve. In the meantime Pyne should just shut up.

  54. Jackol

    cud chewer –

    Its a shame Rudd didn’t use some of his honeymoon to home in on things like middle class welfare and restore budget revenue.

    I’m no fan of Rudd’s, but he and the ALP were hamstrung right out of the gates by the GFC. Their entire agenda got sidetracked into keeping things ticking over domestically, and that meant they had to keep things as stable as possible for the first 2 years at least – no chopping and changing or cutting anything – and by the time the most immediate danger of the GFC was past the political advantage had been lost.

    Rudd and Swan did the right thing to get us through the GFC, but yes it hurts that they lost the most important time a new government gets to do any big reforms.

  55. Kevin Bonham

    sohar@16:

    “I don’t think old polls carry much weight these days – you can only really go on a snapshot of what has happened most recently in polling. These things change so quickly.”

    Well if you only use the most recent data you will think things always change quickly but that’s just because polls are statistically bouncy. Most of the time there is not strong evidence that public opinion changes quickly – tumultuous circumstances like the Rudd restoration and subsequent decline are exceptions.

    #20 – I have not looked at WA Senate in detail yet because of current fieldwork commitments. May do so before the by-election.

  56. Fran Barlow

    Nope, the Kiwis butchered the last over … Couldn’t get seven from Six, even though one delivery went for four. Saffers win by three.

  57. Kevin Bonham

    Whoever wrote that headline at The Australian really should be fired.

  58. fredex

    Greens results in the last 4 polls.
    -17 March
    Nielsen ….12
    Essential…9
    -24 March
    Morgan……11
    Newspoll….12[?]

    Odd one out is …?

  59. Steve777

    Whoever wrote that headline at The Australian really should be fired.

    Maybe the Editor had already decided what message he wanted to get across in tomorrow’s edition and created the headline before anyone saw the actual numbers.

  60. Fran Barlow

    [Whoever wrote that headline at The Australian really should be fired]

    Why? It’s not as if headline writers at The Oz can stray off the reservation.

  61. Just Me

    [Whoever wrote that headline at The Australian really should be fired.]

    I suspect they wrote it to avoid being fired.

  62. cud chewer

    Rudd actually managed some important reforms out of the GFC, including for instance restoring the single pension to some semblance of decency (Howard couldn’t care less about single pensioners). Rudd also used it as a good opportunity to bring forward infrastructure projects like the Hunter Expressway.

    But GFC or no GFC, he should have undone some of Howards tax loopholes for the rich. Oh and he should have just brought in the mining tax as originally proposed.

  63. taylormade

    Rossmore 39 & 52

    Waste of time comparing honeymoons between govt’s. So Rudd had a long honeymoon, so what ?. It did not stop him being rolled by his own party during his 1st term and then the ALP losing it’s majority after just 1 term.

  64. imacca

    [ For the last 6 months all they have done is tried to re-prosecute the election. They don’t have anything to say other than repealing the carbon and mining taxes. But after the budget they will finally have to tell us what they really want to do and I suspect most people won’t like it. ]

    Shows, when you aren’t all Shouty and Tourette’s you actually do make sense sometimes. 🙂

  65. Rocket Rocket

    My parents told me that in WW2 the British press would apparently report towns being captured from the Germans, and then report them being captured again (but never mention they had been lost in between). In a similar vein I seem to remember the port of Umm Qasr in Iraq being reported as “captured” several times in the 1991 Gulf War.

    So Shanahan and The Australian are just waiting for a poll that shows the Coalition 52-48 ahead, which will be greeted with “Massive Shift To Abbott Spells Rout For Labor”.

    Plus ça change…

  66. crikey whitey

    cud chewer at 49 or so.

    ‘Today I saw the inevitable Abbott in yellow hat. Seems he’s going to be the people of Western Sydney’s friend’.

    Bestest friend, I think he would say.

    I must say that I shared the amusement of the PNG blokes,assembled in their hard hats and Hi Vis pretty hot gear. Hired for the occasion. I reckon.

    Laughing away.

    At their new and hopefully lucrative role in this drama.

    One removing his hat to wipe away the sweat.

    Tones meanwhile is the front man. With his backdrop.

    White Man. Crisp and White.

    Oh, Tony. Or is it Peta?

    Tony of Our Dreams.

  67. Roger Miller

    Voter turnout for the WA Senate election is likely to be low. What effect will that have on voting preferences?
    And another thing, where is my Palmer DVD?

  68. Otiose

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  69. Edwina StJohn

    The SA election is funny? The hereditary peers of the Adelaide Hills are unhappy at the victory of another hereditary peer, Jai.

  70. muttleymcgee

    Flight MH370 crashed in southern Indian Ocean.
    No survivors

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/

  71. BK

    Good morning Dawn Patrollers.
    The Chinese press should have a try at covering asylum seekers!
    http://www.smh.com.au/national/chinese-journalists-say-they-are-being-locked-out-of-amsa-media-briefings-20140324-35e8o.html
    It continues – and so do the denials.
    http://www.smh.com.au/national/asylum-seeker-with-burnt-hands-speaks-out-20140325-35emq.html
    An unfolding legal test for Abbott and Morriscum.
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/asylum-seekers-on-manus-island-launch-new-legal-bid-for-freedom-20140324-35ebh.html
    A very interesting article from George Williams about oversight of anti-terrorism legislation and activities.
    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/cutting-redtape-an-excuse-to-reject-unwelcome-advice-20140324-35e13.html
    Arfur’s hired a legal team at an estimated $7000 per day. Who will pay for them? After yesterday’s revelations and confirmations Arfur will need the silk.
    http://www.smh.com.au/national/arthur-sinodinos-hires-silk-to-represent-him-at-icac-inquiry-20140324-35eaf.html
    Nice! Links between bikies and big business and the upper crust.
    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/woolworths-pokies-king-use-bikie-muscle-20140324-35ec8.html
    Shorten doesn’t agree with Brandis’s “bigot” comments.
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/24/changing-race-hate-speech-law-would-give-abuse-a-foothold-says-bill-shorten
    George Pell’s day at the Royal Commission. And he will front it again tomorrow, I understand.
    http://www.smh.com.au/national/cardinal-george-pell-faces-angry-protesters-at-abuse-commission-20140324-35eb4.html
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/royal-commission-george-pell-admits-failure-wants-major-change-20140324-35eba.html
    David Marr sums up Pell’s appearance.
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/24/george-pell-cuts-an-ordinary-figure-as-he-seeks-to-blame-others

  72. BK

    Section 2 . . .

    What a surprise! The Coalition wimps out on its hairy-chested changes for financial planning regulation.
    http://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/coalition-puts-financial-advice-rule-changes-on-hold-20140324-35dmr.html
    Not in such colourful words, Lenore Taylor calls out Pyne as a sore losing little shit.
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/24/christopher-pynes-fury-at-illegitimate-sa-government-smacks-of-sore-loser
    Peter Martin uses the UN CC report to tell the Coalition to wake up.
    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/plea-from-the-edge-of-the-climate-change-abyss-20140324-35e5b.html
    Scott Ludlum with an op-ed on media regulation.
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/24/malcolm-turnbull-media-plurality-scott-ludlam
    Ron Tandberg on advice to Abbott and Morriscum about Manus Island inquiries.
    http://images.smh.com.au/2014/03/25/5291291/ac-tandberg-defcon-20140325064924232798-620×0.jpg
    Alan Moir puts some perspective into job losses.
    http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/federal-politics/cartoons/alan-moir-20090907-fdxk.html
    David Pope on the Australia/PNG relationship.
    http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/federal-politics/cartoons/david-pope-20120214-1t3j0.html
    David Rowe and Howes’ departure from the AWU.
    http://www.afr.com/p/national/cartoon_gallery_david_rowe_1g8WHy9urgOIQrWQ0IrkdO

  73. Raaraa

    I find the tables of the Newspoll in the Australian hard to understand. Is this an attempt to confuse or??

    http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2014/03/24/1226863/729933-cac15d1c-b348-11e3-961d-5192f6c25a65.jpg

    The tables on the right first say “Abbott’s Performance” which is self-explanatory and then it goes to Abbott’s/Shorten’s Performance???

    Lastly, under the “Better PM” table, it goes Rudd/Abbott, Abbott/Shorten and Uncommitted.

    Can someone please explain this to me?

  74. lizzie

    If it believes the science – and it says it does

    Look at what they do, not what they say. This group of shifty snake-oil salesmen should be held by their tender parts and forced to admit the damage they are doing to their country – to the social structure, to the environment, and to their children’s future.

    [But it was the reactions to his report that shocked Fraser. He wasn’t surprised by those of business – except by their scale and brazenness – but he was surprised by those of the government. ”It is the government’s job to protect community interests,” he says. ”Every politician pledges to do just that in the lead-up to every election campaign that I have heard.”

    Instead, the government plans to abolish the Climate Change Authority. While not disputing the science, it shows no interest in lifting Australia’s emissions reduction target. It wants to remove the carbon tax and is prepared to underfund the Emissions Reduction Fund that will replace it. It wants to axe the Clean Energy Finance Corporation and wind back the renewable energy target.

    If it believes the science – and it says it does – its thinking is unaccountably short term, unless you consider the three-yearly electoral cycle.]

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/plea-from-the-edge-of-the-climate-change-abyss-20140324-35e5b.html#ixzz2wuwNrhw2

    This was part of a long, biting post that Crikey lost for me. 😡

  75. my say

    Morgan is a bit biased to Labor, and this particular poll is somewhat above trend. But I wouldn’t go so far as to say “not credible”.
    MR bowe tweet on twitter saw it scroll by me
    ==========================================================

    I wondered about MR Bowe tweet .

    with the newspoll

    what does the word Bias mean re polling

    serious question
    perhaps you could tweet the answer

  76. my say

    the above is a serious
    question in polling world of pollsters I have seen this before

    a bit a bit bias,

    can you explain the term please

  77. zoomster

    taylormade

    [It did not stop him being rolled by his own party during his 1st term and then the ALP losing it’s majority after just 1 term.]

    And it’s early days, so you can’t rule out either of those things happening with the Liberals.

    If Abbott is still producing these kinds of figures in the polls in a year’s time — and if someone thinks he won’t, I’d be interested in seeing how they think he can turn things around — then the Liberals would have no choice to replace him.

    Remember, Abbott faces exactly the same problem Rudd did — a long list of obscure backbenchers who won unexpected seats and know that they need the government to be polling in the upper stratosphere to retain them.

    If Abbott can’t deliver those figures, he’ll be gone. If he is wise and the party still retains some semblance of caring about his dignity, it’ll be ‘voluntary’; if he’s not, then they’ll dump him unmercifully and meet any criticism with ‘but Labor did the same thing, so it must be all right.”

    If they don’t dump him, then it’s very likely they’ll match Labor on your second metric (not having a majority after the next election) without the kind of leader who is capable of doing the kind of negotiating Labor did.

  78. zoomster

    Raaraa

    haven’t seen the tables, but I would suggest they’re using figures from when Rudd was PM to compare to Abbott now and similarly from when Abbott was LOTO to Shorten now.

    Happens quite regularly when there’s been a recent change in government – the figures from seven or eight months ago still need to be there, but it would be obviously silly to pretend that numbers on (say) preferred PM which belonged to Rudd were able to be read as if they were Abbott’s.

  79. boomy1

    http://www.thepaperboy.com/australia/front-pages.cfm

    [Unfortunately, we have been asked by News Corp Australia to stop featuring the front pages of their numerous Australian titles including the Australian, Daily Telegraph, Courier Mail and Herald Sun. We regret this development and apologise for any inconvenience.]

    Freedom of speech.

  80. Bushfire Bill

    I wonder how long it will be until we hear of Abbott’s “calm, quiet and compassionate statesmanship” in dealing with the tragedy of Flight MA-370?

    Not for him the circus that the Malaysian PR response became. He was right about boats, and he was right about the doomed aircraft, yet chose not to crow about either.

    The countdown begins now.

  81. zoomster

    I know ‘The Australian’ is desperately polishing turds, but…

    [VOTER satisfaction with Bill Shorten has lifted slightly but the dramatic decision of assistant treasurer Arthur Sinodinos to step aside in relation to a NSW corruption hearing appears not to have hit the Abbott government in the past two weeks. ]

    Well, no, it wouldn’t have, particularly as it happened WITHIN the past two weeks, so those polled early were (quite obviously) unaware of it.

    Others would have taken a few days for the information to be digested, and still others – probably the majority – are still at the ‘Sinodinos who?’ stage.

    If Sinodinos stays in the news — as he very likely will – then we might start to see an impact.

    […primary vote support for the Coalition was 40 per cent, marginally down from 41 per cent two weeks earlier, while ALP support was at 36 per cent, compared with 35 per cent in the last poll.

    The lack of any real shift in Coalition and Labor support ..]

    Fair enough, the shift isn’t enough to be statistically significant but the trend isn’t going the government’s way.

    ‘The Oz’ might have been better to blame it on Sinodinos. This would have enabled them to paint a rosy picture where future polls bounce back when Sinodinos is cleared (because we all know that Arthur is an honourable man, don’t we?) and to dismiss any possible suggestions that the Coalition is performing badly in the polls because they’re performing badly full stop.

    [While the major parties’ support was virtually unchanged, the Greens’ support rose two points to 13 per cent — the highest it has been since former leader Bob Brown retired from the Senate — and support for others fell two points to 11 per cent, the lowest it has been since last August, just before the federal election.]

    So a shift of 1% isn’t at all significant, nothing to see here, folks, but 2% is serious.

    [As a result of the higher Greens support and lower independents vote, Labor’s two-party preferred lead over the Coalition went from 51 to 49 per cent two weeks ago to 52 to 48 per cent last weekend.]

    Er, no. Labor has risen by 1%, which is exactly the same rise as they got on the primary. So Labor has risen from 51 to 52 because their primary is higher.

    (Which raises an interesting question…where did that increased Greens vote go to? Looks like dissatisfied Libs not quite making the jump….)

    [All of the movements in party support were within the survey’s margin of error of three percentage points.

    Satisfaction with the job Mr Shorten is doing rose three percentage points in the past two weeks to 36 per cent..]

    Right. So Shorten’s satisfaction rating would appear to be statistically significant, then.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/tony-abbott-support-still-strong-despite-arthur-sinodinos-stumble-newspoll/story-fn59niix-1226863679615#

  82. Steve777

    Re Raaraa @76 Can someone please explain this to me?

    I saw those headings in the linked Newspoll tables last night and was also puzzled. I think that the headings are left over from a few months ago when the period covered in the comparisons of recent polls extended across the change of Government. So the Opposition Leader is referred to as that bizarre hybrid ‘Abbott/Shorten’ and so forth.

    Obviously the tables weren’t proof-read before publication.

  83. victoria

    Morning

    Hi my say how have you been?

    Is your query re the Morgan poll directed to william?

  84. WeWantPaul

    [Freedom of speech.]

    I don’t think it is a freedom of speech issue but surely it is fair use under the copyright act.

  85. victoria

    As per BKs link. As I have been saying, the links in fhe business world are tenuous. Abbott may be ruing the day he set out on his RC into union corruption.

    [Supermarket giant Woolworths and billionaire businessman Bruce Mathieson employ a security firm controlled by the Comancheros motorcycle gang at several hotels and gaming venues owned by their joint venture, Australian Leisure and Hospitality Group.]

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/woolworths-pokies-king-use-bikie-muscle-20140324-35ec8.html#ixzz2wv5XaCej

  86. Diogenes

    Thomson to be sentenced today.

    Personally I think he should get a suspended sentence. He only got dome for $25,000 and his life has been wrecked and he must have almost been bankrupted. I think he’s suffered enough.

  87. psyclaw

    ATTENTION! ATTENTION! FRAN KELLY DOES CLASSIC I/V

    Well Ms Kelly showed comprehensively today why the media here is so crap.

    She was interviewing a guy (from Oxford Uni???) about the way the MH 370 Rolls Royce engine data has been processed to show where the last such signal came from ie off Perth.

    In a simple logical way he explained the following complexities:

    1) The RR data does NOT include any positioning info

    2) So they have used RR data from planes that did not crash, with those planes positioning data from other sources to develop a model which they could apply to MH370, specifically to the very last transmission to RR

    3) In this way, after much patient and complex analysis, they have found that the plane crashed off Perth

    Now I don’t know what Kelly was doing during his answer …. ducking off to the loo, painting her toenails, texting a friend, making a cuppa ….. who knows, but she was certainly not engaging with her interviewee.

    Her immediate response to his explanation was: “Well if the plane’s position was so obvious, why has it taken so long to release this information?”

    Yep, Kelly is a player, not a seeker of info. She has her own agenda, her own fixed questions which couch her own opinions, and come hell or high water she’s going to ask them.

    I suspect our home grown “journos” are not so much biased as just plain dumb and clueless about what real journalism is.

  88. lizzie

    [“The minister was given advice the best action was removing metal fasteners,” Mr Levey told the $20 million inquiry.

    When asked whether there should have been a suspension of the foil insulation, Mr Levey said, “In hindsight it should have been done.”

    His evidence has revealed tensions between Mr Garrett, who was the minister responsible for the home insulation program, and former senator Mark Arbib, who was the minister responsible for driving through stimulus programs after the global downturn hit in 2008.

    The inquiry heard that former senator Arbib’s main concern with the pink batts scheme was job creation, while Mr Garrett wanted to push his energy efficiency goals.]

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/adviser-admits-insulation-mistake-20140325-35eq0.html#ixzz2wv74Uk6H

  89. psyclaw

    Diogenes

    I agree about Thomson.

    Many larceny-as-clerk crimes in the order of $100K+ receive non custodial sentences.

    The question is whether the magistrate will succumb to the 4 year build up by the likes of Abbott and Pyne and have the guts to deal with the inevitable ignorant outcries if a non custodial sentence occurs.

    Watch PB for such outcries!

    As we all know, Thomson’s crime has been the hugest fraud perpetrated by anyone ever!

  90. lizzie

    Many of us criticise Tony Jones for his Q&A work, but last night I was delighted that he interrupted Kelly O’Bigmouth in loud fact-distortion mode and pulled her up with a couple of questions. She never quite regained full throttle after that.

  91. guytaur

    Good Morning

    “@political_alert: Transport Worker’s Union National Secretary Tony Sheldon is in Canberra today and will hold a doorstop on the Qantas dispute at 1pm #auspol”

    zoomster

    It’s interesting the Liberal voters to Green swing as you point appears to be the case. Not to PUP.

    Climate Change policy forests looking after Great Barrier Reef not so bogeyman after all.

    Ceremony under way now PM saying farewell to GG

  92. guytaur

    “@Simon_Cullen: GG Quentin Bryce says it’s been an honour to serve Australia”

  93. lizzie

    Bloody green tape – just ignore it, boys.

    [A multinational corporation was allowed to pollute Canberra water with toxic chemicals in a case exposing more than a decade of failings by ACT authorities.

    Koppers Wood Products’ timber treatment plant in Hume caused hexavalent chromium, a carcinogen made infamous by environmental activist Erin Brockovich, to leach into groundwater at up to 2430 times the safe limit by 2007.
    . . .
    The revelations have outraged former ACT environment protection chief Bob Dunn, who worked on laws in the 1980s designed specifically to guard the region’s waterways from the copper, chrome and arsenic Koppers used to treat timber.

    Mr Dunn now believes it is an ”absolute certainty” the company has breached criminal law. He has urged ACT authorities to launch an inquiry and to consider taking action against Koppers. ”I just can’t believe it has actually happened,” he said.

    ”Something has gone wrong somewhere, I believe it’s clear. How can you say anything else?”

    The contaminated water lies 1 kilometre uphill from a small tributary of Jerrabomberra Creek, which flows through the ecologically rich Jerrabomberra Wetlands and into Lake Burley Griffin.]

    Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/revealed-timber-treatment-plants-toxic-legacy-20140324-35eiy.html#ixzz2wv9IZjKb

  94. guytaur

    “@ABCNews24: Quentin Bryce: I have seen the finest human values of generosity, resilience, toughness & courage #auspol”

  95. zoomster

    lizzie

    I like the way the company breaching laws is portrayed as a government failing…

  96. KEVIN-ONE-SEVEN

    The AFR says that a labor heavyweight, Wayne Swan “Tips Howe for PM.” Then you read the story and Swan is asked whether Howe is a potential PM. Swan says “He will do well in whatever he does” or WTTE.
    The AFR has obviously decided they are going to be Howe’s private organ.

  97. lizzie

    zoomster

    Corporations are always pure. 😉

  98. KEVIN-ONE-SEVEN

    No wonder the libs have pulled their attempt to gut FOFA. They’ve realised the voters are already sick of them.

  99. guytaur

    Wow high opinion of Adelaide

    @Simon_Cullen: hah! RT @ToryShepherd Is this headline intentionally hilarious, @dailytelegraph? #Adelaide http://t.co/rG4RTKm9KO

  100. guytaur

    “@GMegalogenis: Your child is bullied at school, do you:
    a/ tell the teacher
    b/ tell your child to rejoice because “people have a right to be bigots”?”

  101. WeWantPaul

    I think Thomson’s fate will depend on whether it is seen as a stealing by a servant case (jail for him) or really ripping of members and more like insider trading (no jail for him).

    I think there will be jail.

  102. KEVIN-ONE-SEVEN

    cud chewer. I think the NBN desecration is sinking in, particularly with the young, and will be a big issue at the next election. But I talk to middle-aged people and say: “Are you getting foxtel right now?” They say yes, and I say, “Well that means you’re getting nothing.” And they say: “You’re kidding?” I say: “Sorry, but your government is going to spend billions of dollars giving you zip.” They are quite shocked.

  103. CTar1

    [MH370 search hides a less generous Australia

    Australia loves cultivating a generous, professional image, but its actions towards refugees have tainted the veneer.]

    http://blogs.aljazeera.com/blog/asia/mh370-search-hides-less-generous-australia

  104. lizzie

    Hmmm.

    [Michael Burge ‏@burgewords 11m
    The look @ScottMorrisonMP gave @CUhlmann at the end of today’s interview on #asylumseekers tells me whatever “arrangement” there was is over ]

  105. fredex

    Scott Morrison, isn’t he the politician who either gives false information or refuses to say anything?

  106. guytaur

    @ConversationEDU: (More) evidence of link between climate change and extreme events. Evidence from World Meteorological Organization http://t.co/avVHI2iXP5

    This is why Shorten and his team must ignore RW calls to be spineless on Carbon Price repeal. Very happy to say its good to see Labor backbone on this backing up the science.

  107. KEVIN-ONE-SEVEN

    I usually think that a govt’s ministerial line-up doesn’t matter very much. People focus on the PM. But when the PM isn’t much chop and you see a procession of people like Mogadon Andrew, Prissy Pine, Soapy George, Erica, etc etc parading across the screen, each creepier than the next, it must have a drip-drip effect on the public. And now they’ve lost Arfa, who, at least, knew how to act sane.
    How does this govt recover it’s fortunes? Tax cuts? But they’ve told us the cupboard is bare. They really have nailed themselves to a cross, haven’t they.

  108. poroti

    Something to remember every time she speaks

    [Gina Rinehart the ‘corporate welfare’ queen

    How Australia’s richest person, mining heiress Gina Rinehart, secured a $US694 million ($764 million) loan from American taxpayers is surely one of the great ironies of the capitalist system, reports The Australian Financial Review.
    The case is the latest example of a flaw in the United States political economy: what some see as crony capitalism……….What would Ayn Rand think? Inspiration to free market capitalist thinkers and favourite writer of Gina Rinehart.

    “Why are taxpayers subsidising a business deal between an Australian billionaire and titans of American industry?”]

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/mining-and-resources/gina-rinehart-the-corporate-welfare-queen-20140325-35eq3.html#ixzz2wvJ787eq

  109. pedant

    if Senator Sinodinos’s QC is in fact going to cost $7000 per day, we should all be very pleased that the government made it clear last week that the issues in question arose before he entered Parliament, since that means that he could have no plausible case whatsoever for asking the taxpayers to pick up the bill.

  110. KEVIN-ONE-SEVEN

    Pedant – don’t know where Kate McClymont got the $7,000 a day figure from. My guess is that Tony Bannon would normally be $10 to $12 thou a day (plus GST). His junior would be about $4 thou a day (plus GST). So, with a solicitor, you wouldn’t get any change out of $20 thou a day.
    However, I assume that he’s either doing this at mates rates (is he a member of the liberal party?) or a third party is footing the bill, or a combination of both.

  111. dave

    [Senator Sinodinos’s QC is …. going to cost $7000 per day ]

    Just to say that Sinodinos can’t remember, doesn’t recall etc?

  112. guytaur

    Wild West!

    “@702sydney: We’ve heard reports of bulls or buffalos on the loose in the Inner West… if you’ve seen something call us on 1300 222 702.”

  113. KEVIN-ONE-SEVEN

    Dave – Love to be a fly on the wall and see what instructions Arfa gives Bannon. Does he deny that Kerry Schott warned him, and put his credibility up against hers. Dangerous. Dangerous. But if he accepts what she says, he’s not in a good place either.

  114. guytaur

    Here is photo

    @702sydney: Bulls on King Street #Newtown via @a_felman http://t.co/0gLGk06JPy

  115. sustainable future

    [Just to say that Sinodinos can’t remember, doesn’t recall etc?]

    yes, I wonder how long before he develops a condition? Alan Bonditis seems to work for them.

  116. guytaur

    zoid

    Will Morrison grant them refugee status?

  117. pedant

    KEVIN-ONE-SEVEN @ 115: Maybe you are right about mates rates, but I do wonder whether people will want to continue to invest in the Senator when he seems to be tending towards junk bond status (politically speaking).

  118. guytaur

    “@Leroy_Lynch: #ICAC: Sinodinos was offered 7.5% of Aust Water shortly after Sydney Water chief warned of ‘dishonest’ fears http://t.co/OHfWQkfwmm #auspol”

  119. dave

    This really surprises – Poms pay inheritance tax on assets over AUD$ 590,000 (325,000 Pounds).

    Can you imagine the howling if that was brought in here? :devil:

    { The tax is payable at 40 per cent on the amount over this threshold or 36 per cent if the estate qualifies for a reduced rate. A surviving spouse or civil partner who has their permanent home in the UK is exempt. }

    [ David Cameron has said the Conservatives would like to cut inheritance tax, suggesting the party may go into the next election reviving its abandoned pledge to raise the threshold to £1m.

    He made the comments when asked about his 2007 pledge to raise the threshold at which the tax is payable, from £325,000 up to £1m, which the coalition has not done. He said the Conservatives would have to address the issue in their manifesto for the election next year. ]

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/24/cameron-tories-raise-inheritance-threshold

  120. poroti

    Gotta love the GG. Labor’s two-party preferred lead over the Coalition went from 51 to 49 per cent two weeks ago to 52 to 48 per cent last weekend. But the headline for the article ? 😆

    [Abbott Support Still Strong: Newspoll]

  121. guytaur

    “@FergusonLMP: Brandis stands up for persecuted bigots. Having abandoned lynchings he says the KKK should not have to hide behind sheets.”

  122. poroti

    mari

    Scrot thinks it is time to “move on”

    [IMMIGRATION Minister Scott Morrison is refusing to investigate new claims by asylum-seekers of abuse by military personnel, suggesting the ABC accept defence denials and “move on”.

    “I don’t believe what I saw last night — I simply don’t believe it — I choose to believe the assessment that’s given to me by the navy,” Mr Morrison said.

    I don’t think it’s for the government to disprove the negative. It’s for those who have allegations to actually prove the positive]

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/scott-morrison-says-matter-is-closed-over-allegations-of-abuse-of-asylumseekers/story-fn9hm1gu-1226864010907

  123. ruawake

    VLAD the conveyancer is in deep poo.

    [QUEENSLAND’S former solicitor-general has unloaded on Jarrod Bleijie, questioning his integrity and whether he is fit to be Attorney-General.

    In a scathing letter to The Courier-Mail, Walter Sofronoff QC said Mr Bleijie had “prejudiced” his position as the state’s top law officer by going public with private talks he held with Court of Appeal president Justice Margaret McMurdo over a vacant judicial position.

    This morning, Mr Sofronoff went further, saying he believed Mr Bleijie should quit his position.

    “I believe he should resign,” Mr Sofronoff told ABC radio during an interview about his decision to criticise Mr Bleijie through a letter he penned to The Courier-Mail]

    Newman is now trying to blame the VLAD laws on Sofronoff, what a nasty little noddy we have as Premier.

  124. daretotread

    I am thinking that it would be a good investment to build a large cell block under Parliament House. All the politicians doing porridge could be grouped together, and put on public display for the school kiddies.

    Thommo, Slipper, Sinodinos and most of the NSW cabinet (both sides) can all be accommodated.

  125. guytaur

    Thomson sentencing prison happening term still to be determined

  126. Darn

    All those who think Tony Jones is anti Labor or just a waste of space on Q&A should have seen the way he nailed Kelly O’Bigmouth to the wall on the question of whether the government has spoken to – or intends to speak to -the asylum seekers making the accusations against the navy. Apparently the 7.30 report aired new allegations last night.

    As a result of his pursuit of her she was roundly jeered and ridiculed by the large audience.

  127. guytaur

    So prison for Thomson 12 months 9 suspended

  128. Frodo Baggins

    [The crews held an impromptu interview with Mr Truss but have complained at being ”locked out” of any chance to put questions to AMSA boss John Young. On Monday, AMSA posted a security guard at the front of its headquarters.
    George Yang, the chief correspondent for Hong Kong’s Phoenix Satellite Television, said he had been asked to prove his credentials while he prepared to do a cross from public land. ”This wouldn’t even happen in China,” Yang said.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/chinese-journalists-say-they-are-being-locked-out-of-amsa-media-briefings-20140324-35e8o.html#ixzz2wvUHEtRY%5D

    “This wouldn’t happen in China”

    LOL, Good one Comrade! An ABC journalist was out front of a media briefing in China just the other day regarding this flight, unable to go in because foreign journalists were locked out in the meeting.

  129. MTBW

    Just now Craig Thompson jailed for twelve months. ABC.

  130. guytaur

    “@SabraLane: Our court reporters say Thomson’s lawyers have immed flagged an appeal.”

  131. MTBW

    Darn

    I am with you probably for the first time in her life Kelly O’Dwyer was shut up and she didn’t like it one bit!

    Could we ask Rachel Griffiths to join the ALP?

  132. dave

    Poland doesn’t like the way it all looks….been there done that……

    [ Poland Is Quietly Mobilizing Its Army Reservists

    At least 7,000 reservists have been recalled to the colours for immediate exercises lasting between 10 and 30 days.

    They’re told by the Polish authorities that the call-ups are “routine”: but the men say they haven’t been asked before and they’re well aware of the growing alarm in Warsaw at President Putin’s aggression.

    Three weeks ago, their Prime Minister, Donald Tusk, called a press conference to warn that “the world stands on the brink of conflict, the consequences of which are not foreseen… Not everyone in Europe is aware of this situation.”

    But in the worst case scenario of a truly revanchist Russia, Poland certainly has the borders from hell. Starting from the top, it abuts Kaliningrad (the Russian exclave on the Baltic carved at the end of the war from East Prussia), Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine.

    None of these borders relies on any natural barriers like rivers or mountain ranges – they are just lines on a map drawn by Stalin in the full flush of victory. No wonder the Poles are feeling vulnerable.
    ]

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-24/poland-quietly-mobilizing-its-army-reservists

  133. dave

    [ Frodo Baggins
    Posted Tuesday, March 25, 2014 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    LOL, Good one Comrade! An ABC journalist was out front of a media briefing in China just the other day regarding this flight, unable to go in because foreign journalists were locked out in the meeting. ]

    Stick to boaties, truthie.

  134. guytaur

    “@ScottWesterfeld: Plot idea: 97% of the world’s scientists contrive an environmental crisis, but are exposed by a plucky band of billionaires & oil companies.”

  135. guytaur

    “@Kate_McClymont: “It was a personal warning to Mr Sinodinios, who I thought very highly of, ” said Dr Schott about voicing suspicions re AWH to him #icac”

  136. guytaur

    “@political_alert: Attorney-General Senator George Brandis will hold a press conference today at Parliament House, 11am #auspol”

  137. guytaur

    @tanya_plibersek: What I love about #newtown: it takes all types MT @a_felman: 2 #Bulls literally just ran down #kingSt #filming? http://t.co/o6BVpyF0iR

  138. Diogenes

    So Thommo gets three months with a further nine suspended.

    Has Williamson been sentenced yet coz he must be looking at a lot more than that.

  139. lizzie

    How much do you get for armed robbery? Assault? All Thomson ruined was his career and his reputation. I’d say that’s enough.

  140. MTBW

    guytaur

    Apparently they were filming an add and the bulls escaped.

  141. MTBW

    Dio

    I think Williamson is already in the “big house” maybe wrong!

  142. ruawake

    Who was the AWH director who wrote two $57,000 cheques to himself? Must be a very worried lad.

  143. Diogenes

    MTBW

    I think he’s in the Big House pending sentencing but I could have missed the sentencing.

  144. ruawake

    [I think Williamson is already in the “big house” maybe wrong!]

    Yep, his bail was revoked. In the slammer already.

  145. dave

    Them were the days, back in 1621 – they could really come up with ‘penalities’ –

    [ Thugs, scoundrels and womanisers: the worst behaved MPs in history

    Here one Labour MP picks his top 10 bad apples in British and Irish parliamentary history.

    3. Giles Mompesson (Great Bedwyn, 1614 and 1621) was fined, expelled from parliament and told to parade up the Strand “with his face in a horse’s anus” for extortionately abusing his royal monopoly for the licensing of inns and manufacture of gold thread in 1621.]

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/2014/mar/23/worst-behaved-mps-in-history

  146. Diogenes

    lizzie

    Armed robbery gets you serious jail time.

    Assault gets you a bag of lollies.

  147. Frodo Baggins

    [“How much do you get for armed robbery? Assault? All Thomson ruined was his career and his reputation. I’d say that’s enough.”]

    Yeah let’s just let him off from stealing money from low paid workers so he can get a blowjob.

    I’m delighted he is headed to the big house he’ll have 3 long hard months to think about “I’ve done nothing wrong”

  148. shellbell

    [How much do you get for armed robbery? Assault? All Thomson ruined was his career and his reputation. I’d say that’s enough.]

    More for robbery maybe less for assault in some circumstances. The short sentence does not exist in NSW much anymore; would have been fully suspended or an intensive correctional order or maybe home detention.

    There is a strong deterrent element in the sentence.

    The damage he has done is substantial, mostly as a result of his lying. A huge bill of costs to NSW ALP and a bloated FWA bill investigating what he has now admitted. Even a fund raiser (where the audience had to listen to Bob Ellis, as well)predicated, falsely, on his innocence.

    And of course, loss of seats for the ALP on the central coast. Deborah O’Neill is now staring at Eric Abetz for a living thanks, in part, to the lies of Craig Thomson

  149. lefty e

    Sweden hits 50% renewable power 6 years earlier than the 2020 goal.

    http://www.climatecentral.org/news/three-eu-countries-hit-2020-renewable-benchmarks-early-17167

    Just out of interest: what is the LNP’s back-up plan, you know, just on the off chance that 97% of scientists are correct, and bunch of cranks and hopelessly compromised coal billionaires turn out to be wrong?

  150. shellbell

    [parade up the Strand “with his face in a horse’s anus” for extortionately abusing his royal monopoly for the licensing of inns and manufacture of gold thread in 1621]

    Getting the requisite synergy of movement to make horse and man look mildly co-ordinated might take some practice

  151. kakuru

    [And of course, loss of seats for the ALP on the central coast. Deborah O’Neill is now staring at Eric Abetz for a living thanks, in part, to the lies of Craig Thomson]

    Very true. Thankfully, Hartcher & co. are doing their best to square the ledger.

  152. MTBW

    Frodo and shellbell

    I am with you! His behaviour was disgusting.

  153. guytaur

    @farrm51: Labor complains in code about Speaker Bronwyn Bishop AKA Doloros Umbrage. http://t.co/h6LB65wonM

    Soon Press Gallery are going to have to address Bishop performance.

    Is News Ltd site

  154. BH

    psyclaw@92

    [3) In this way, after much patient and complex analysis, they have found that the plane crashed off Perth

    Now I don’t know what Kelly was doing during his answer …. ducking off to the loo, painting her toenails, texting a friend, making a cuppa ….. who knows, but she was certainly not engaging with her interviewee.

    Her immediate response to his explanation was: “Well if the plane’s position was so obvious, why has it taken so long to release this information?”]

    🙂 Yep, OH said at the time “I can’t work out whether she’s dumb or dumber’.

    I felt sorry for the bloke who had so patiently explained it all. Just hope he doesn’t think we’re all like Aussie journos.

  155. Simon Katich

    MTBW 156

    I have seen some animals stumbling up Erko St, coming out from the Imperial but usually in the wee hours and never that big.

  156. MTBW

    Simon

    They were a different breed though!

    I love that it happened in Newtown.

  157. guytaur

    “@PaulBongiorno: AG Brandis gives 5 minutes notice for a news conference and 20 minutes later still hasn’t turned up”

  158. Simon Katich

    Its made my day MTBW. Many memories there. Thanks.

  159. shellbell

    The bulls are probably looking for the gorillas operating as security outside the Marlborough Hotel, King Street.

  160. MTBW

    Simon

    You are welcome!

  161. guytaur

    Brandis finally turns up. On 24 now

  162. guytaur

    @abcnews: Labor takes veiled swipe at Speaker Bronwyn Bishop, says Parliament is run as ‘protection racket’ for Tony Abbott http://t.co/012hx0mquR

  163. Steve777

    Re Dave @152 – a bit harsh on a perfectly innocent animal.

  164. Fran Barlow

    Personally, I’d have given him 2 years and $25k fine, all suspended but require Thomson to attend every HSU meeting within 50 kms of the Central Coast and otherwise to work for them in a menial capacity as a volunteer doing clerical or other work as directed ex-gratia for not less than 12 months, as well as paying back all of the money.

    Each time he failed to comply without adequate cause, a further month would be added to the time required, and if he failed 3 times, he could serve the balance of the time in custody. If he hadn’t done at least 12 months by the time the 2 years expired he could pay the fine as well.

  165. CTar1

    Ignoring Williamson’s sentencing and a possible appeal by Thomson I assume that there is more to come on ex-HSU officials.

  166. davidwh

    It doesn’t matter who you are if you break the law you deserve your punishment. Well in theory anyway as it doesn’t always end up that clean. However these crime commissions certainly do help see people brought to account more often than in the past.

  167. MTBW

    guytaur

    Labor should be taking more than a veiled swipe at Bishop she is disgracefully partisan in her approach.

    She is also up herself!

  168. Steve777

    Re Fran @172 – Craig might prefer the horse.

    Anyway, justice has been done in the case of Craig Thomson. He defrauded members of his union and even if the rules were vague, must have known he was doing the wrong thing. Hopefully justice will also soon catch up with all the other executives and CEOs, pillars of the community all, fiddling their corporate credit cards and expense accounts.

  169. guytaur

    Senator Rights 4 Bigots ploughing ahead reminds me of attitude with Workchoices.

  170. shellbell

    Sentencing has to be relatively simple not full of alternatives and contingencies

  171. kakuru

    Steve777

    [Hopefully justice will also soon catch up with all the other executives and CEOs, pillars of the community all, fiddling their corporate credit cards and expense accounts.]

    Ha ha! Yeah, right. 😛

  172. Fran Barlow

    guytaaur

    [Labor takes veiled swipe at Speaker Bronwyn Bishop, says Parliament is run as ‘protection racket’ for Tony Abbott ]

    Cute pun but wrong. Parliament is not extorting money from Tony Abbott. They’d have been better describing parliament as “a safe house” or “sanctuary” or even “refuge” for Abbott. If they’d done the last, they could have asked whether he met the “well-founded fear of persecution test”. With “safe house” comes all of your secret agent riffs. And with sanctuary you bring in all the churchy stuff or maybe “protected species”.

  173. guytaur

    MTBW

    I agree about Bishop.

  174. kakuru

    guytaur

    [Senator Rights 4 Bigots ploughing ahead reminds me of attitude with Workchoices.]

    Now it’s okay to be a racist. But it’s NOT okay to call someone a racist.

  175. kakuru

    Bolt’s glass jaw is now safe.

  176. guytaur

    Fran

    Good point.