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Apr 10, 2014

BludgerTrack: 50.0-50.0

The Coalition lead in Newspoll causes the two parties to reach parity on the BludgerTrack poll aggregate, while Tony Abbott pulls ahead of Bill Shorten on net approval.

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New results from Newspoll, Essential Research and Morgan has put BludgerTrack back to the position of two-party parity it was at three weeks ago, after which Labor was up to 51.8% and then 50.9%. They have also ironed out the brief slump recorded by the Greens last week, who have progressed from 11.3% to 8.9% to 10.4%. This week’s gain has come entirely at the expense of Labor, with the Coalition vote unchanged. On the seat projection, the Coalition is back in majority government territory, the meter having ticked in their favour by two seats in New South Wales and one each in Queensland and Western Australia. After a quiet spot last week, new leadership figures have emerged from Newspoll and Essential Research, and they find Tony Abbott with a rare lead over Bill Shorten on net approval, although preferred prime minister remains in the stasis it assumed in early December.

Also note that coverage of the Western Australian Senate count is ongoing on the dedicated thread, with a Liberal victory in the final seat looking increasingly likely.

William Bowe — Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe

Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, is one of the most heavily trafficked forums for online discussion of Australian politics, and joined the Crikey stable in 2008.

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2,173 thoughts on “BludgerTrack: 50.0-50.0

  1. Everything

    I didn’t realise GG was sick.

    Please pass on my best wishes. Tell him his post on the NSW Election was the funniest thing I have seen in this neck of the woods!

  2. ruawake

    Abbott has zero chance of getting his PLL farce through the Senate. Unless he does a deal with the Greens pre- June.

    Even then it will not be his policy and his franked dividend rip off will die as it should.

  3. Everything

    reawaken:

    You didn’t answer….

    Do you support pushing back the retirement age to 70 years or not?

  4. frednk

    The kouk is not impressed with Hockey’s bullshit.

    http://thekouk.com/blog/joe-hockey-treasury-or-trickery.html#.U0pSnKIa2n5

  5. psyclaw

    # 2056

    At the end of the post Everything lists 5 points in answer to my challenge to her to logically argue a point of view.

    It is merely a list of conclusions, all lacking statements of underlying principles, or values, or ethics, and each one lacking an argued rationale.

    For example, she blithely states that PPL is an entitlement, not welfare. This is a glib and vacuous claim, in the absence of said underlying principles /values and a logical rationale.

  6. frednk

    The Liberal’s abuse of the military really is a disgrace.

    Martin Pakula ‏@MartinPakulaMP Apr 12

    Anybody want to rethink their condemnation of Conroy? Seems to me Campbell has well & truly entered the arena #auspol pic.twitter.com/xmCqNHktg7

    Malcolm Fraser ‏@MalcolmFraser12 56m

    Angus Campbell warns asylum seekers not to travel to Australia by boat http://gu.com/p/3zbkz/tw via @guardian.Was General Hurley informed?

    Malcolm Fraser ‏@MalcolmFraser12 50m

    General Hurley in charge of Defence Force should have prevented any military officer being used for such political purposes.

  7. Yesiree Bob

    The PPL is being funded via Taxation, therefore it is Welfare. A very expensive form of very Middle Class Welfare.

  8. Bushfire Bill

    An entire article on the search for flight MH-370, going into technical details, and the only source f information given is… Tony Abbott.

    In Coalition World, Abbott is now leading the search, jst about carrying it out single-handedly. Angus Houston doesn’t even rate a mention anymore. It’s wall-to-wall Abbott.

    Incidentally, the article says that Abbott told everyone there was virtually no hope of anything being found anytime soon.

    Gee, I must have had wax in my ears. That wasn’t the way I heard his statements.

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/long-hunt-for-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-looms-as-pings-go-silent/story-fniztvng-1226882591990

  9. frednk

    Last time I look labor had already brought in s PPL scheme. The issue is Abbott raiding the biggest companies to provide a little extra for “women with merit”.

  10. kezza2

    [1. PPL should be a workplace entitlement, it is NOT a welfare payment]

    I’ll never understand this notion of parenthood or pregnancy or giving birth being part of work.

    Getting pregnant is not part of a person’s job. Becoming a parent is nothing to do with a person’s job. It’s nothing to do with a workplace nor any workplace entitlement.

    It’s is welfare, pure and simple.

    Therefore if everyone supports the notion of PPL, then it should be funded from taxation – and labelled for what it is, social welfare, a safety net if you like, to enable people to have families and not to slide too far down the class ladder while doing so.

    I can’t believe I survived raising kids without a bonus or a PPL. Does everything have to be a handout now, can’t sacrifice a bit of personal spending money in order to provide for your own kids (and teach them a lesson in frugality at the same time) or is this workplace-connected argument to get the fathers onboard.

    All too much.

  11. bemused

    Mad Lib@2043


    bemused
    ….I sense someone who has had a privileged upbringing and never suffered any hardship in life.


    Definitely privileged but, malheureusement, I cannot say the last bit is true….


    Her belief system is obviously: “To those that have more shall be given. Whoever does not have, what little they have shall be taken away.”


    Classic projection and hate the projected reality.

    Whatever makes you feel reassured!

    Perhaps your hardship is from the torment of your soul or whatever Libs have in place of one?

    No projection, just a slight adaption of a biblical quote. It seemed to fit with my observations of you.

  12. Bushfire Bill

    If it’s a workplace entitlement then it should be paid by the EMPLOYER, asall other workplace entitlements are.

    I’m actually amazed that the media can report po-faced on Hockey’s”End of the Age of Entitlement”and, at the same time, report – again po-faced – that the Abbott PPL is a “workplace entitlement”.

    The double-whamy of it NOT being paid by the employer and the total contradiction in terms between one “entitlement” being bad and another being “good” is gob-smacking, but there you go… that’s what the journos are paid to do.

  13. frednk

    Stephen Mayne ‏@MayneReport 5h

    Hockey’s “budget emergency” would be more credible if Libs weren’t exacerbating it by slashing mining/carbon tax revenue & PM’s PPL folly.

  14. psyclaw

    BB

    I note in your link the quotes from Abbott “We are doing this and we are doing that…..”

    Jerkhead!

    Just like him loading fish boxes in Japan, all safety vested up, or being a firie in the Blue Mountains, he is so deluded as to believe that he is the “doer” in so many (any) work domainss.

    I’ll never understand how the meeja and voters can’t see the stupidity and shallowness of his antics, and call him out.

  15. Centre

    Some are calling Mod Lib a “she”.

    I think you will all find that Mod Lib is actually a “he”.

    Ok, let’s call it a draw?

    Mod Lib has been officially castrated and is a gelding 😆

  16. Yesiree Bob

    frednk@2086

    Stephen Mayne ‏@MayneReport 5h

    Hockey’s “budget emergency” would be more credible if Libs weren’t exacerbating it by slashing mining/carbon tax revenue & PM’s PPL folly.

    My sentiments exactly, what a pity that not one of the press pack seem willing to point this out to any of the Fibs.

  17. Everything

    [psyclaw
    ….At the end of the post Everything lists 5 points in answer to my challenge to her to logically argue a point of view.

    It is merely a list of conclusions, all lacking statements of underlying principles, or values, or ethics, and each one lacking an argued rationale.]

    What a society deems to be workplace entitlements are determined by how that society values various variables. There is no ethical right to work. It is a societal construct. The same applies to annual leave or sick leave or paid parental leave.

    We as a society decide that we value rest and recreation, health, and children as an important societal “good”, just as the “goods” produced at work are important. Hence, we as a society put value on such variables and determine that we will cover the cost of having those things (or the employer will do it and we will pay them more so that they can do it, but we will insist that they do it).

  18. Yesiree Bob

    psyclaw@2087

    BB

    I note in your link the quotes from Abbott “We are doing this and we are doing that…..”

    Jerkhead!

    Just like him loading fish boxes in Japan, all safety vested up, or being a firie in the Blue Mountains, he is so deluded as to believe that he is the “doer” in so many (any) work domainss.

    I’ll never understand how the meeja and voters can’t see the stupidity and shallowness of his antics, and call him out.

    The emperor has no clothes.

  19. Steve777

    Re Everything @2056: intersting to see the rationale set out like that. Have you or anyone done the numbers? A cost / benefit or business case for Abbott’s PPL scheme?

  20. Centre

    Abbott’s PPL achieves two goals:

    1. It returns taxpayer funds to the highest income earners lowering their tax contribution.

    2. It will breed more rednecks lowering the need for immigration.

    Perfect policy for Abbott. No wonder he converted to it when his little brain gave it thought.

  21. briefly

    E…sigh…

    1. PPL should be a workplace entitlement, it is NOT a welfare payment

    Quite obviously PPL is not a universal workplace provision. It is just misleading to describe it as a workplace entitlement. It is an attempt to use the welfare system to address the incapacity of many employers to meet any kind of PPL payments. As designed it will replace existing workplace entitlements with non-universal, arbitrary and inefficient tax-based wage supplements.

    2. PPL should be paid at the individual’s wage.

    Why? Why not pay enough to achieve the benefits mentioned at, say, point 4 below? Since it is being funded from taxation, PPL should be assessed like all other like policies – in terms of equity and efficiency.

    3. We need to change the incentive arrangements away from poor, unprepared mothers having babies for the money, to established, employed, middle class women being able to have babies who are currently avoiding it, or avoiding work, due to the difficulty of moving in between the two

    Abbott’s PPL over-pays mothers that do not need assistance and does nothing for those women (in your words) “who are currently…avoiding work, due to the difficulty of moving in between work and having children”. It is a policy that misses 30-35% of its target population on purely arbitrary grounds and, in doing so, accentuates the existing inequalities in the labour market status of women.

    4. PPL will enable increased breastfeeding rates to 6 months (WHO recommendations) or at least to 4 months (the minimum age which everyone in the health sphere recommends. There is some debate about when to wean, whether 4 months or 6 months, based on iron deficiency rates if you exclusively breastfeed too long, and potential allergy associations (although this is still unclear, so we don’t know when to introduce potential allergens).

    This is to confuse a desirable outcome with the means supposedly intended to achieve it. If this is the hoped-for result, why are so many mothers going to be excluded from assistance?

    5. The PPL will increase workforce participation which increases productivity, tax revenues, decreases welfare payments and increases the super-pool, hence savings and is fantastic for women and their relationship with the workforce.

    There is no evidence that PPL will alter workforce participation. It may reduce it. Far from decreasing welfare payments, because it is in itself a welfare payment, PPL will increase the welfare bill without any corresponding needs-testing.

    There is no evidence it will increase savings. In fact, PPL is more to likely to shift savings from the low-paid via the tax system to the best-paid households. It is a regressively redistributive mechanism.

    Because PPL will be funded by taxing selected businesses it will be more likely to harm business investment and productivity than increase it.

    No economic case has been made out for PPL.

  22. kezza2

    [Bushfire Bill
    Posted Sunday, April 13, 2014 at 7:17 pm | PERMALINK
    If it’s a workplace entitlement then it should be paid by the EMPLOYER, asall other workplace entitlements are.]

    Quite so.

    That’s why the argument that PPL is a workplace entitlement doesn’t float. Sinks like the bullshit stone it is.

  23. Bushfire Bill

    Talk about chutzpah!

    Joe Hockey hasn’t even gone through his first Budget yet and he’s already lecturing the G20 on their allegedly shabby economic performance.

    It is “unacceptable” says Joe.

    Who the f*ck does this bloke think he is?

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/13/joe-hockey-lambasts-slow-economic-growth-by-g20-states

  24. Jackol

    The PPL for high wage earners is not a productivity or participation measure. As briefly says it is a fertility measure – make it more attractive for “women of calibre” to take time out to have a baby. The baby bonus all over again, but this time targeted at the rich.

    We don’t need more babies.

  25. bemused

    daretotread@2048

    Bemused

    Everything is NOT Mod Lib
    I am just about certain.
    Mod Lib was a reasonable sort of a person and NEVER nasty

    Everything is a point scorer and often quite mean. I do NOT think they are the same (they may be related). Mod lib was a female Dr I think.

    Everything seems more male

    Possibly Modlib posts occasionally ie when discussing medical matters (these often make sense)

    Everything are you the hubby, son , brother daughter of mod lib or are you both from Menzies House.

    You are taken in by her.

    After Tone won his great victory she became infatuated at him, throwing her nickers at him like a teeny bopper at a Rock concert.

  26. frednk

    Now here is something the government should encourage; for the good of the nation:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/01/how-sex-affects-intelligence-and-vice-versa/282889/

  27. Yesiree Bob

    As long as the tax-payer is funding it, PPL is welfare and not an entitlement.
    After all, the age of Entitlement is over.

  28. Edwina StJohn

    Well actually we do jackol.

  29. Leroy Lynch

    There is a Nielsen tonight, this article on a supplementary question has gone online early.

    http://www.watoday.com.au/breaking-news-national/race-hate-voters-tell-brandis-to-back-off-20140413-zqubv.html

    [Race hate: voters tell Brandis to back off
    April 13, 2014 – 4:58PM
    Mark Kenny, Chief Political Correspondent

    Voters have sent an unambiguous message to Tony Abbott and his Attorney General George Brandis: leave the race hate laws alone.

    The latest Fairfax-Nielsen poll specifically asked voters if they believe it should it be lawful or unlawful to “offend, insult or humiliate” somebody based on their race.

    The answer was a statistically conclusive 88 per cent – or nine out of 10 – in favour of the status quo – that is, that it should remain unlawful to discriminate.]

  30. ruawake

    Looks like there is a Neilsen brewing.

    [#Nielsen Poll Should people have the right to be bigots: Yes 34 No 59 #auspol]

  31. Yesiree Bob

    Am I the only one who finds the term “women of calibre” offensive ?

  32. frednk

    I’d put it slightly differently; while the press ws sneering at Gillard:

    https://twitter.com/geeksrulz/status/455190316325150720/photo/1

  33. frednk

    [
    Yesiree Bob
    Posted Sunday, April 13, 2014 at 7:30 pm | Permalink

    Am I the only one who finds the term “women of calibre” offensive ?
    ]
    No; but claiming their calibre is measured by their income is.

  34. Centre

    Although I strongly oppose Abbott’s PPL, I do have sympathy for Sarah Murdoch if she happens to have a baby.

    We wouldn’t like to see her go hungry and needing to find a real job.

  35. frednk

    Contessa JenRed ‏@JustJen64 6h

    #AUSPOL @JoeHockey & @TonyAbbottMHR HAVE A FUCKING NERVE attacking aged pensioners while planing $75k payments to wealthy mums.

  36. New2This

    Poll bludger the land of the bellyache…

  37. frednk

    Benjamin Harrison was not a supporter of Liberal policy.

    https://twitter.com/shane25873/status/455177738958016512/photo/1

  38. Yesiree Bob

    frednk@2107


    Yesiree Bob
    Posted Sunday, April 13, 2014 at 7:30 pm | Permalink

    Am I the only one who finds the term “women of calibre” offensive ?


    No; but claiming their calibre is measured by their income is.

    Indeed, if you are on a middle to low income, RAbbott doesn’t want to know you.

  39. davidwh

    N2T naughty but nice 🙂

  40. Centre

    Do you remember Steve Fielding stripping naked at a rally in Melbourne after Rudd won the 2007 election?

    Fielding was protesting that Rudd should increase the aged pension. In the protest Fielding was joined by many supposedly aged pensioners insisting that Rudd raise the aged pension.

    The fact that Howard did nothing in the 11 years prior, Rudd had just won an election and had every intention of helping aged pensioners made no difference to the protesters.

    FIELDING WHERE ARE YOU!!!

    Keep your clothes on this time for eff sakes 😆 dropkick!

  41. frednk

    [
    ABC Q&A ‏@QandA 7h

    Palmer says his party won’t support the mining tax repeal or paid parental leave scheme in its current form #QandA http://ab.co/1nb0YUt
    ]
    Ummm; perhaps he can do the maths.

  42. Centre

    Palmer knows it’s only the fair dinkum miners that pay it.

    Palmer is even punier than the Greens compared to the real miners who pay the MRRT.

  43. ruawake

    Centre

    I assume the gramps and grans in undies, eating PAL, will emerge after Hockey’s May budget?

    I wonder if Joe really wants to piss off the Liberal voting base, the over 60s and those who think like them?

  44. David M

    I work in an industry that has a high female ratio and had PPL added to the employment conditions a few years ago

    The major impact of the PPL is that parents are taking more time away from work as they are provided with an additional 14 weeks payment. The purpose of the PPL was to allow parents more time with their babies, which is great. The longer absences has reduced our productivity.

  45. Centre

    No they won’t rua.

    The protest was a stunt to take some credit off Rudd/Labor for doing something that might be popular.

    If they do, bring out the PAL but keep the clothes on for heaven’s sake 😆

  46. briefly

    [2115
    frednk

    ABC Q&A ‏@QandA 7h

    Palmer says his party won’t support the mining tax repeal or paid parental leave scheme in its current form #QandA http://ab.co/1nb0YUt

    Ummm; perhaps he can do the maths.]

    I doubt that Palmer’s businesses generate much in the way of a liability for MRRT at this point. He is also not likely to want to pay a tax surcharge to fund PPL, in itself a divisive and counter-productive fertility policy with regressive income distribution consequences.

  47. ruawake

    [I doubt that Palmer’s businesses generate much in the way of a liability for MRRT at this point.]

    I think Palmer has mined next to nothing, except gullible voters.

  48. briefly

    2121….quite so rua…and a fair number of investors too.

  49. Centre

    True rua.

    Palmer – much bigger mouth than pocket 😉

  50. Centre

    What about this New2This?

    Abbott doing good job, PPL great policy, PBers give him belly ache?

    He even makes Joe Conomics sound as if he knows what he’s talking about!

  51. New2This

    Bit touchy Centre…

  52. Centre

    New2This

    What about Hockey lecturing people that actually know something about economics with three word slogans?

    What an embarrassment!

  53. Everything

    ruawake:

    You still haven’t answered…..is moving the retirement age to 70 years a good idea or not?

  54. ruawake

    Hockey has made a powerful argument for increasing the superannuation guarantee levy, I doubt he realises it yet. Every issue he raises re pensions will be “cured” with a 17.5% levy.

    The Govt will save billions at 20%. Shame the Libs are ideologically opposed to user pays pensions.

  55. Everything

    [GhostWhoVotes ‏@GhostWhoVotes 48m
    #Nielsen Poll Should it be lawful to offend, insult or humiliate someone based on race: No 88 #auspol]

    I would have answered “no” to this question as well. However, what should have been asked is:

    “Should it be unlawful to offend someone, where the individual determines whether or not the statement was offensive”

    My answer would be “no”

  56. Centre

    Everything

    It depends on the individual.

    Many people at 70 are not fit enough or healthy enough to be productive in the workforce.

    Sure, if somebody is active and productive enough at 70 to work and wants to work – by all means go for it.

    But to push people to work until they drop is disgraceful.

    Unemployment benefits are obviously less than the Aged Pension.

    And you obviously support it – SHAME!

  57. silmaj

    2128
    Who would pay for the nearly doubling of the levy?

  58. ruawake

    Has Hockey released his G20 homework on how he will increase GDP by 2% over normal yet? Or is he just slagging others who have followed his lead?

  59. briefly

    [2129
    Everything

    GhostWhoVotes ‏@GhostWhoVotes 48m
    #Nielsen Poll Should it be lawful to offend, insult or humiliate someone based on race: No 88 #auspol

    I would have answered “no” to this question as well. However, what should have been asked is:

    “Should it be unlawful to offend someone, where the individual determines whether or not the statement was offensive”

    My answer would be “no”]

    In this case, your answer would be consistent with the existing law.

  60. Everything

    [Centre
    Posted Sunday, April 13, 2014 at 8:17 pm | PERMALINK
    Everything

    It depends on the individual.

    Many people at 70 are not fit enough or healthy enough to be productive in the workforce.]

    This applies at 65, 60 and even 55years as well.

  61. ruawake

    [Who would pay for the nearly doubling of the levy?]

    The old age pension would not need to be paid. So a Govt proportion, then as Keating did pay rises traded off for super.

    Cost to taxpayer, next to nothing. Cost to business nothing.

  62. AussieAchmed

    I think Hockey and Abbott have a nerve talking about cutting pensions, increasing the pension age, cutting disability, stopping payments to orphans while supporting the theft of taxpayer money through FBT rorts, claiming the end to the Age of Entitlement while paying Cadbury $16million, mining company subsidies $4billion and Manly RL club $10 million.

  63. daretotread

    Everything

    If you had asked me just 12 months ago I would probably arrogantly and pompously say that “I will work to 70 etc”

    However in the last year, of my 60s acquaintances I have encountered four cancers, two heart attacks, one stroke, two autoimmune, one parkinsons, macular degeneration, motor neurone. Now yes I am starting to face the
    reality of impending death. Somehow working till I am 70 just does not seem quite the ideal.

  64. AussieAchmed

    In May 2013 Palmer had a $6.2 million mining tax bill he refused to pay….

  65. frednk

    [
    briefly
    Posted Sunday, April 13, 2014 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    ….

    “Should it be unlawful to offend someone, where the individual determines whether or not the statement was offensive”

    In this case, your answer would be consistent with the existing law.
    ]
    The judge decides; who other than the offended should bring the case; a flying pink fairy?

  66. Centre

    Mod Lib

    The older you get, the less likely you will be fit enough, healthy enough and productive enough to work.

    It’s called keeping it real 😉

    You just want them off the aged pension and on to unemployment benefits don’t you – what a kind guy 😆

  67. ruawake

    [In May 2013 Palmer had a $6.2 million mining tax bill he refused to pay….]

    Wasn’t that Carbon Tax?

  68. frednk

    [
    AussieAchmed
    Posted Sunday, April 13, 2014 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

    In May 2013 Palmer had a $6.2 million mining tax bill he refused to pay….
    ]

    He has paid it.

  69. briefly

    Re 2129/Everything

    Anyone interested in this matter can read the judgment:

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/cases/cth/FCA/2011/1103.html?stem=0&synonyms=0&query=andrew%20bolt

    At paragraphs 19-20, the Judge makes clear that an objective standard is to be applied in determining whether expressions may be found to be offensive, insulting or humiliating, and elaborates on the what the test is and how it is to be interpreted.

  70. silmaj

    2135
    That would work if pay rises were capped, but I couldn’t see that happening. To my knowledge govt has never assisted in paying business superannuation expenses. With the economy now becoming more global loading up tax, super and wage increases on Aus business will end up with only a negative result.

  71. AussieAchmed

    So with the plan to repeal the MRRT will the Liberals also repeal the PRRT?

  72. frednk

    Good point; pity the Liberals have messed with the forces so badly that it can be made.

    https://twitter.com/geeksrulz/status/455282409768898560/photo/1

  73. Thomas. Paine.

    retirement age – should be 110+ or for as long as anybody wants and somebody is willing to employ them.

    Pension age….age when pension can be accessed for those that do not have the ability to fund themselves, and asset/means tested, and mentally and physically capable….can be extended to 70 gradually.

    Retirement age, access to self funded pension should remain at 55 since that as against the pension age 67-70 gives greater incentive for people to aim for self funded retirement. Also self funded retirees will continue to input to the economy from their own accrued resources.

    However increasing the access to self funded superannuation to 70 would be a disincentive.

    I’m a self funded retiree at 55. Actually I have rolled all my superannuation over, live off my wife’s wage and I work part time at 3 days a week and wont need to access the funds for many years yet. We should be entirely self funded for all our lives…and something we have planned more than 20 years ago.

  74. briefly

    [2146
    AussieAchmed

    So with the plan to repeal the MRRT will the Liberals also repeal the PRRT?]

    Those parts of the MRRT relating to iron ore and coal are to be repealed, but the part relating to coal seam gas will not.

    The question of resource taxation, royalties, State finance and inter-state fiscal relations should be re-visited. Even the LNP might be willing to do this if it were considered alongside the GST. Personally, I think if resource profits tax were treated as a permanent source of State income, to be shared between the States in the same way as GST (and, indirectly, royalty income) is now apportioned, then the politics of resource taxation could easily be changed.

    The States need more revenue and they need more certainty. We can increase state revenues without raising the GST if resource taxation is pitched wisely.

  75. sprocket_

    the truth of the matter is the Abbott and his cohort would be happy to get only 1 piece of legislation through the Parliament, ie the Budget.

    The rest they would be happy to be held by the Senate, so they can blame them for the downward spiral in living standards.

    The Treasury Benches are more than enough to prosecute the culture wars, and reward the rent seeking backers.

    PPL? nobody cares, not even Abbott who dreamt this up in conversation with his daughters

  76. AussieAchmed

    After seeing how WA has been treated in the GST amount of share it gets being constantly downwards, it will be a hard sell to convince the state that it should also share the revenue from mining etc

  77. sprocket_

    I like this quote from Hansard. Misleading the Parliament is grounds for censure, and if proven for a minister, standing down.

    http://twitpic.com/e116cr

  78. deblonay

    The major US Journal “Counterpunch” looks at Bob Carr’s attack on Gillard and the Jewish Lobby
    ___________________________
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/04/11/the-zionist-lobby-under-fire-in-oz/

  79. frednk

    [
    AussieAchmed
    Posted Sunday, April 13, 2014 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

    After seeing how WA has been treated in the GST amount of share it gets being constantly downwards, it will be a hard sell to convince the state that it should also share the revenue from mining etc
    ]
    WA; the eastern states prop them up for decades; they have a mining boom and they start whinging because they have to pay a bit back.

  80. AussieAchmed

    I like this quote from Hansard. Misleading the Parliament is grounds for censure, and if proven for a minister, standing down.

    Wouldn’t it be good if we had an ethical and moral media that would use the same language about Abbott as they did with Gillard.

  81. Just Me

    [As William Blum said, trickle down economics is:

    the principle that the poor, who must subsist on table scraps dropped by the rich, can best be served by giving the rich bigger meals.]

    AKA, the ‘golden shower’ theory of economics.

  82. briefly

    I am in the highly regrettable position of having almost no super and only the most modest of incomes. As a consequence of various crimes and acts of greed committed against me and my then-family, I lost nearly all my assets, including my share of my house and savings and nearly all my possessions.

    This coincided with a quite protracted period of illness from which I’ve only recently recovered. This illness really affected my ability to bring in much of an income, so now I have to face the prospect of working for as long as I possibly can – 70 will not be long enough – knowing my chances of accumulating any significant savings are, realistically, really very poor.

    So for me, the question of when I might retire is almost ridiculous. I will have to work until I am no longer fit to do so.

  83. sprocket_

    Does the Professor have some inside info?

    [Clive Palmer ‏@CliveFPalmer 12s
    @theqldpremier planning early election. Spending plenty of taxpayer money on advertising. #qldpol]

  84. deblonay

    Brace Yourself
    ____________
    Dr Marc Faber,”Dr Doom” to US investors…who predicted some earlier crashes.. says we are on the verge of a bigger US crash than that of 2008,ehich will trigger an even bigger Recession next year

  85. sprocket_

    Clive Palmer is in fine form tonight – giving Newman some LNP love

    [Clive Palmer ‏@CliveFPalmer 2m
    @theqldpremier is lying about the state’s debt. He wants to sell schools and hospitals to his mates. #qldpol]

  86. silmaj

    2159
    He predicts doom every year. I guess one year he will get it right.

  87. sprocket_

    [GhostWhoVotes ‏@GhostWhoVotes 1m
    #Nielsen Poll Primary Votes: L/NP 40 (-4) ALP 34 (-1) GRN 17 (+5) #auspol]

  88. Sir sustainable future

    [2097
    Bushfire Bill
    Posted Sunday, April 13, 2014 at 7:24 pm | PERMALINK
    Talk about chutzpah!

    Joe Hockey hasn’t even gone through his first Budget yet and he’s already lecturing the G20 on their allegedly shabby economic performance.

    It is “unacceptable” says Joe.

    Who the f*ck does this bloke think he is?

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/13/joe-hockey-lambasts-slow-economic-growth-by-g20-states%5D

    He thinks he is the next PM of Australia. When Abbott implodes within he next 18 months, sloppy will be there. He’ll look competent in comparison.

  89. sprocket_

    [GhostWhoVotes ‏@GhostWhoVotes 3m
    #Nielsen Poll 2 Party Preferred: L/NP 48 (-3) ALP 52 (+3) #auspol]

    Last Neilsen was a rogue

  90. bemused

    briefly@2157

    I am in the highly regrettable position of having almost no super and only the most modest of incomes. As a consequence of various crimes and acts of greed committed against me and my then-family, I lost nearly all my assets, including my share of my house and savings and nearly all my possessions.

    This coincided with a quite protracted period of illness from which I’ve only recently recovered. This illness really affected my ability to bring in much of an income, so now I have to face the prospect of working for as long as I possibly can – 70 will not be long enough – knowing my chances of accumulating any significant savings are, realistically, really very poor.

    So for me, the question of when I might retire is almost ridiculous. I will have to work until I am no longer fit to do so.

    Such things happen in the real world, but not in the world of Mad Lib and her ilk.

    Sorry to hear of all your misfortune and hope good things start to happen for you.

  91. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    briefly,
    I am in a similar position to you, due to not being able to access the workforce while caring for a large family while trying to access the university education denied me when I was younger and living in a remote rural location. Then as a mother of five kids, I could not apply more lucrative positions interstate. Then I had to take part time work as I became a carer, at well below my previous salary. I ended up with little super, a medical condition, a house and scratching for funds to maintain it. Over fifty I don’t even bother applying for jobs anymore. I just keep doing the carer respite job a few hours a week.
    I have to retrain myself (I am at uni) so I can self-employ.
    I need to keep working, like you. Some days I just want to lay down and not get up again.

    Then I read sanctimonious libral b’tards pontificating about the social wage as if it is some disease they want to eradicate. To them people like me are just failures who should line up to be turned into fertilizer for their golf-courses.

  92. zoidlord

    Can LNP get lower than 40 primary?

    GhostWhoVotes ‏@GhostWhoVotes 27m

    #Nielsen Poll Primary Votes: L/NP 40 (-4) ALP 34 (-1) GRN 17 (+5) #auspol

  93. dave

    AussieAchmed@2151

    After seeing how WA has been treated in the GST amount of share it gets being constantly downwards, it will be a hard sell to convince the state that it should also share the revenue from mining etc

    On that basis – there would also be little point of increasing the GST – as it would go elsewhere?

    Sandgropers decide ? But they already did again, recently.

  94. imacca

    [ where the individual determines whether or not the statement was offensive ]

    Very stupid even for you Mod, and its not even a comment related to the NBN where you have form for plumbing the depths of kool aid sucking idiocy.

    At the moment its the court who determines if the statement was offensive, not the individual who claims of be offended. Unless you’d like to have a situation where individuals make a determination at law that we all should abide by? Jeez, we’d all have to be named Brandis for that wouldn’t we?? 🙂

  95. imacca

    [ This applies at 65, 60 and even 55years as well. ]

    Luverly. So they can go on the DSP rather than the pension then.

    Of course when they get booted off that (Libs hate bludgers after all) they can divest themselves of any assets accumulated (savings, house, car. belongings……) while they were working in order to support themselves at poverty level until they qualify for a pension at 70. Good time to be a cashed up spiv who can buy up distressed assets for a song wot??

    And why not raise the GST as well so they can get a greater proportion of what these people have to spend to survive into the tax take where it is available for corporate welfare??

    I think that people are going to start to twig that the Fibs are REALLY into wealth redistribution.

    Hockey really has not thought this through, and is setting himself up to be looking even more clownish than normal. But in a Chucky kind of way….

  96. dave

    silmaj@2161

    2159
    He predicts doom every year. I guess one year he will get it right.

    Yes Indeed.

    The only thing is the “Sell in May and go away” thing is strongest in the second year of the US Presidential Cycle – ie this year.

    Doesn’t mean it will necessarily crash or go down etc – we will have to see – but the US markets have had a good run since 2009, due largely to QE and ultra low interest rates.

    US tech stocks are currently down 8% from early March highs and may well bounce in the coming week – but by how much and for how long?

    Mainly it means, set sensible stop losses and exit at that level if hit.

    If the US tech stocks continue their decline it needs to be watched carefully as it is the speculative end of the market which rolls over first – some of the big tech name have been declining for months.

    Locally, market leadership has been narrowing for many months and is centered on high yielding, large cap stocks – particularly the Banks – they are the ones to watch for a local local decline. Local small cap stock are already broadly in decline.

    Set stops and act on them if needed.

  97. mexicanbeemer

    On the PPL for all the talk that its needed around here in the land of BMW’s and Mercs the past few years have seen something of a baby boom, thus i question if its even needed to encourage women to have a bubs.

    Access to child care and return to employment opportunities appear to be the big talking point around here.

    Not the need for a hand-out from Tone & co