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Apr 10, 2014

BludgerTrack: 50.0-50.0

The Coalition lead in Newspoll causes the two parties to reach parity on the BludgerTrack poll aggregate, while Tony Abbott pulls ahead of Bill Shorten on net approval.

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New results from Newspoll, Essential Research and Morgan has put BludgerTrack back to the position of two-party parity it was at three weeks ago, after which Labor was up to 51.8% and then 50.9%. They have also ironed out the brief slump recorded by the Greens last week, who have progressed from 11.3% to 8.9% to 10.4%. This week’s gain has come entirely at the expense of Labor, with the Coalition vote unchanged. On the seat projection, the Coalition is back in majority government territory, the meter having ticked in their favour by two seats in New South Wales and one each in Queensland and Western Australia. After a quiet spot last week, new leadership figures have emerged from Newspoll and Essential Research, and they find Tony Abbott with a rare lead over Bill Shorten on net approval, although preferred prime minister remains in the stasis it assumed in early December.

Also note that coverage of the Western Australian Senate count is ongoing on the dedicated thread, with a Liberal victory in the final seat looking increasingly likely.

William Bowe — Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe

Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, is one of the most heavily trafficked forums for online discussion of Australian politics, and joined the Crikey stable in 2008.

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2,173 thoughts on “BludgerTrack: 50.0-50.0

  1. Fran Barlow

    I also agree that one should be a member of any bona fide union covering your occupation, and it’s not unreasonable for the ALP to ask this of its members.

    Of course, it asks it only of those in affiliated unions. … making it less than the reasonable principle bemused set out against freeloading.

    I don’t agree that the mere fact you can’t enforce the rule makes it worth dumping. One can encourage people to do things without any means of coercion. It seems to me that members of affiliated unions could get a weighted vote when votes arise for official positions or nominations, and this could be one way of underlining the significance if union membership.

  2. bug1

    Fran;
    The role of unions is to stand up for their members, unions have to put themselves first.
    The job of Labor is to win government and govern for all Australians.

    Labor an unions have similar purpose and values, but they still each have their own agenda. When there is a situation that might be good for Australia but bad for Unions, or good for Unions but bad for Australia, it causes a conflict of interest.

    Politics of the Left is to put the team before the individual, the Right wants to put the individual first. Labor, Unions and the Greens, are all important members of the left, they need to be able to work together on the big picture, but still be free to peruse their own agenda.

    Creating artificial links between Labor and the Unions is not necessary and can damage both by eroding trust when their is a conflict of interest.

  3. sprocket_

    The Daily ToiletPaper oscillates between po-faced tut-tutting and confected lampooning of Bob Carr’s revelations. Sadly, the chief Murdoch trolls fail to see them being trolled.

    [He also writes that he “cannot feel humble” after attending a G20 leaders meeting with US President Barack Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin in his last act in the job last September.

    “Interested, curious, of course. Just not humble,” he writes in Diary of a Foreign Minister.

    Mr Carr also muses about the possibility of plastic surgery work for US Senator John McCain (“younger and more sparkle-eyed than I might have expected”) and US Secretary of State John Kerry (“I noticed something about the skin”).

    Foreign Minister Julie Bishop last night seized on the leaks, saying the “gratuitous” personal observations and discussion of confidential meetings were unworthy of any Australian politician, let alone a foreign minister.

    “While it is tempting to ridicule the arrogant foolishness of this egotistical self-promoter, his book carries a real risk of damaging Australia’s standing among currently serving world leaders,” she said.

    But Mr Carr insisted that he had respected confidences and the national interest, noting there had been 15 memoirs by US secretaries of state including a recent one which alleged Kevin Rudd had sent them to sleep.

    “I’m proud to have produced a book that tells Australians how foreign policy is made,” he said.]

  4. BK

    Good morning Dawn Patrollers.
    Looks like Rudd WAS a prick after all!
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bob-carrs-diary-takes-aim-at-julia-gillard-and-kevin-rudd-for-mistakes-20140409-zqsso.html
    And what would a $6 copayment do to this?
    http://www.smh.com.au/national/health/healthcare-put-at-risk-as-patients-shy-away-from-cost-20140409-36dqk.html
    Kate McClymont’s daily ICAC coverage.
    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/eddie-obeid-rubbishes-icac-inquiry-20140409-36dj8.html
    Albo hits back.
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/anthony-albanese-rejects-nsw-treasurer-mike-bairds-claims-state-hasnt-received-fair-infrastructure-funds-20140409-36dio.html
    Trouble in the Liberal ranks over George Brandis’s “free speech” proposals.
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/liberals-break-ranks-against-george-brandis-race-hate-law-20140409-zqsrt.html
    The fix is in on the mining tax.
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/tax-office-deputy-commissioner-stephanie-martin-quits-mining-tax-collection-in-doubt-20140409-zqsuc.html
    Looks like Abbott’s abolition of the charities watchdog will go down in the Senate.
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/charities-commission-to-get-senate-lifeline-hopes-20140409-zqsoi.html
    “Leave the minimum wage concept alone!” says Pro. Marylin Lake.
    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/minimum-wage-is-more-than-a-safety-net-its-a-symbol-of-australian-values-20140409-zqsii.html
    There is no question about the extent and insidiousness of the Jewish lobby and influence around the free world.
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bob-carrs-texts-to-gillard-reveal–extraordinary-influence-proisrael-lobby-had-on-former-pm-20140410-36dys.html
    Our Human Rights head commissioner gives Abbott and Moirriscum a serve.
    http://www.smh.com.au/national/gillian-triggs-accuses-government-of-pulling-strings-to-deny-un-20140409-zqsr5.html

  5. BK

    Section 2 . . .

    Alex White in The Guardian posits that the WA Senate election was indeed a repudiation of Abbott’s climate change position.
    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/southern-crossroads/2014/apr/09/tony-abbott-carbon-price-wester-australia-senate-election
    Dr W E Deming famously said “Let not action precede understanding”. It’s a pity Turnbull didn’t heed that advice.
    http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/government-it/malcolm-turnbull-locks-in-multitechnology-nbn-20140409-zqsqq.html
    Alan Moir gives us the Sydney Botanical Gardens.
    http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/federal-politics/cartoons/alan-moir-20090907-fdxk.html
    MUST SEE! David Pope with an important public service announcement.
    http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/federal-politics/cartoons/david-pope-20120214-1t3j0.html
    David Rowe with Abbott staring down the North Koreans.
    http://www.afr.com/p/national/cartoon_gallery_david_rowe_1g8WHy9urgOIQrWQ0IrkdO

  6. Socrates

    Morning all. BK thanks for the link to the ATO Deputy Martin resignation story. What do you do if you can’t abolish the mining tax in the Senate? Simple – cut the ATO until it does not have enough people left to ensure the tax is paid.

  7. Socrates

    Fran
    [I also agree that one should be a member of any bona fide union covering your occupation, and it’s not unreasonable for the ALP to ask this of its members.]
    I would replace the term “bona fide” with “effective” and “ethical”. Here is Labor’s problem in a nutshell: not all unions are effective, and not all effective unions represent workers who need assistance.

    Low paid workers like HSU members need protection, but do not get it. Miners, wharfies and train drivers are on salary packages far higher than their skills and conditions justify, yet are fiercely protected. An effective union protecting unreasonable conditions is NOT a force for social justice, any more than the company directors association is.

    I started work believing in unions and joining the ones that represented my work. The problem was, the public service ones that represented me as a public service engineer in the 1990s were utterly useless when our working conditions were stripped away with minimal compensation at that time. Nor did they have any interest in representing engineers as a career group, putting us in the same category as people who hadn’t done four years of study and acquired a $20K+ HECS debt. As far as I could tell they were neither effective nor interested in social justice. Sure enough the secretary later got pre-selection in a winnable seat, having faithfully sold out his members to the Labor state government of the day.

    So I am not against the theory of unions, but if the practice is bad I see no virtue in supporting them. I see that 80% of my working colleagues have reached the same conclusion.

  8. BK

    And from the Land of the Free –

    The Repugs block equal pay legislation again.
    http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2014/04/09/republicans-block-equal-pay-bill/
    And FoxNews tells us why it’s good for women to be paid less.
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/09/1290718/-Fox-host-Lower-pay-is-good-for-women-because-they-re-less-likely-to-be-laid-off
    Just have a look at this senate candidate from Iowa! Oh yes, he is a Republican.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/09/bob-quast-iowa-senate_n_5117736.html
    The Tea Party/Repugs just won’t give up with their lies about ObamaCare.
    http://crooksandliars.com/2014/04/tea-party-republicans-publish-oped
    Jon Stewart blasts FoxNews over the movie “Noah”. It’s a ripper!
    http://crooksandliars.com/cltv/2014/04/stewart-slams-fox-noah-critics-oh
    Bigheaded idiot Bill O’Reilly reckons Stephen Colbert is destroying America.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/09/bill-oreilly-stephen-colbert-rant_n_5117177.html

  9. Socrates

    BK I also agree with you comments on Bob Carr’s statements about the jewish lobby, and its undesirable hold on Labor policy. How can this be justified? Some in Labor are so biased they prefer to support the oppressors, not the oppressed.

  10. victoria

    morning all

    Thanks BK for linking jon stewart. As usual, he is incisive.

    sprocket

    It seems that Bob Carr is playing the media like a fiddle

  11. Sir Mad Cyril

    I’ll say one thing for Carr, his book should sell well as it actually sounds like it will be a hell of a read.

  12. victoria

    Sir Mad Cyril

    Most definitely. Bob Carr is many things, but stupid is not one of them.

  13. Socrates

    While there is a reaction against major parties as they stand, this story about a former Palmer United Party candidate suggests Clive Palmer is not our saviour from self interest and cynical politics.
    http://www.watoday.com.au/federal-politics/sold-a-pup-clive-palmer-treated-me-like-a-one-night-stand-says-excandidate-20140409-zqsmr.html

  14. guytaur

    Good Morning

    Michael Danby proving Bob Carr right this morning.

  15. Socrates

    A feminist who has fought against the treatment of women in the Islamic world has been refused an honour at a private US university. Should we be tolerant of misogyny?
    http://www.watoday.com.au/world/islamcritic-ayaan-hirsi-ali-refused-us-university-honour-20140410-zqsvh.html

  16. lizzie

    Talk to me about my Toyota?

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/mar/19/toyota-1bn-settlement-car-safety-probe

    [Toyota agreed to pay $1.2bn on Wednesday to end a US criminal investigation into misleading statements the car company made about safety issues in Toyota and Lexus vehicles after a series of crashes.]

  17. guytaur

    “@LexiMetherell: Just in case you haven’t got enough @bobjcarr this morning, he’s doing a doorstop in Sydney at 10.”

  18. confessions

    Morning all.

    What is Danby saying guytaur?

  19. victoria

    guytaur

    Carr is doing a sterling job of self promotion. Of course aided and abetted by the msm

  20. confessions

    [THE Australian Electoral Commission would be radically transformed and have some of its key functions hived off, under proposals the major political parties are considering to avoid a repeat of bungles that forced the $23 million Senate vote rerun in Western Australia.

    Senior MPs and party officials are pushing for the creation of a National Election Commission using a board of experienced personnel, including former political operatives, that would have oversight for all state and federal elections.]
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/radical-revamp-planned-for-aec/story-fn59niix-1226879396867#

  21. Sir Mad Cyril

    confessions

    Here are some samples

    [
    Latika Bourke @latikambourke · 53m ago
    Labor’s @MichaelDanbyMP – lots of people laughing at the book ‘they’re not laughing with you @bobjcarr, they’re laughing at you.’
    ]

    [
    Latika Bourke @latikambourke · 56m ago
    Bob Carr says ‘extraordinary’ to be called a ‘bigot’ by Labor’s Michael Danby on Israel. Danby says Carr was @JuliaGillard’s biggest mistake
    ]

    https://twitter.com/latikambourke

  22. guytaur

    confessions

    On AM this morning Danby called Carr a bigot.

    victoria

    Yes Mr Carr is not wasting his experience as a journalist become politician. Such a contrast to Abbott

  23. victoria

    guytaur

    The fact that JG was heavily influenced by the pro israel lobby, is not going to raise the ire by anyone in any position of power or influence. In fact, it will be applauded

  24. guytaur

    victoria

    Gillard did many things right. On this she was wrong. Even the US has not been calling settlements legal

  25. confessions

    Thanks madcyril. Love the Sir title too btw. 🙂

  26. victoria

    guytuar

    I should add that the jewish lobby here in Melbourne of which Carr is referring to, are some of the big movers and shakers of our fair city.
    My son happens to be setting up the climate control systems for one of fhem at present. The dwelling being constructed is estimated to cost approx 60 million.

  27. guytaur

    victoria

    Power and influence does not make them right.

  28. Sir Mad Cyril

    Thanks confessions, I couldn’t resist it.

  29. victoria

    guytaur

    As i said, the pro israeli position is not deemed a negative here in Oz. That is the reality

  30. WeWantPaul

    I hope the are running a poll on whether Bob Carr upset the Jewish Lobby or the PB Cult of Gillard most with his dose of the bleeding obvious last evening.

  31. guytaur

    victoria

    Not true. Melbourne is not Australia. Political parties are starting to see the effects losing votes elsewhere.

    Want to keep Western Sydney Labor has to understand that. Those safe Labor seats can be made unsafe.

  32. AussieAchmed

    Union membership to join the Labor Party shuts out a major group – pensioners.

  33. briefly

    [1…..Fran Barlow

    It seems to me that members of affiliated unions could get a weighted vote when votes arise for official positions or nominations, and this could be one way of underlining the significance if union membership.]

    The rule is a dead letter. Unionists seldom join the ALP as individuals. The reason is simple. If they wish to be politically active, they can take part as union delegates to the ALP and exercise a greater role than if they participated as individual members.

    On the other hand, anti-unionists (who resist joining a union) would not seriously wish to join the ALP anyway. As far as I know, there has never been a case in WA Labor where a person has refused to join an affiliated union and thereupon been rejected by the ALP. Applicants for membership are never tested on it and it has never been applied.

    As to vote-weighting, the constitutional problem for Labor is their need to share power between two completely different classes of members – individuals, who fly solo, and unions, who march in blocs. There is already a set of vote weightings for each class that institutionalise majorities for “union delegates” vis-a-vis “political delegates” and ordinary members within the electoral college that decide preselections.

    While the weightings might be “fair” or “unfair”, depending on the test applied, in a way this is not important. The effect of the weightings is to consolidate power in the hands of a few union officials who may or may not be personally active inside the ALP. This really means the ALP is not in control of its own destiny: a handful of union secretaries determine events by means of the weighted and marshaled votes of “their” delegates.

    Somehow Labor need to move towards one-vote/one-value power apportionment – to democratise. Rather than creating new vote weightings, they need to relax those that now apply.

    Of course, they need to do other things as well, such as enforcing secret ballots for internal elections, and developing a system of primary elections to attract and promote new candidates.

  34. victoria

    guytaur

    I dont think you understand? We are talking about a group that hold a great deal of power and influence in many aspects of corporate Australia, not just Melbourne

  35. victoria

    WWP

    The jewish lobby will be heartened to know that many within Labor support them

  36. guytaur

    victoria

    You don’t understand. Corporate lobbyists do not vote in western Sydney electorates.

  37. poroti

    For months there have been quite hilarious and at times bizarre claims in UK papers about what will happen if the Scots vote “Yes” . Check out the latest effort.

    [Scottish independence ‘would be cataclysmic for the world’, ex-Nato head warns

    Lord (George) Robertson says ‘the forces of darkness would simply love it’ if Scotland voted Yes in September 18 referendum ]
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/10751728/Scottish-independence-would-be-cataclysmic-for-the-world-ex-Nato-head-warns.html

  38. victoria

    guytaur

    You must be dreaming if you believe that Western sydney is full of people giving a stuff about Palestinians

  39. guytaur

    victoria

    Also at the moment singing the praises of corporate lobbyists you sound like a Liberal not Labor party member

  40. Pegasus

    A distinction between “Zionist lobby” and “Jewish lobby” needs to be made.

    Self-described atheist Jew, Antony Loewenstein:
    http://antonyloewenstein.com/tag/israel-lobby/

    [The Zionist establishment, long-time backers of the RDA, have written thousands of words in opposition to the government’s proposed changes, but the irony shouldn’t be lost on us. This is coming from individuals and organisations that routinely petition politicians and media organisations to erect tightly controlled limits on so-called acceptable talk around Israel and Palestine, illegal West Bank colonies and the boycott, divestment and sanctions movement. They rarely have any complaints when anti-Muslim or anti-Palestinian sentiment is floated in the press.]

  41. guytaur

    victoria

    Voters in western Sydney are from what background?

  42. victoria

    guytaur

    Where am I singing the praises of corporate Lobbyists? I am telling you the reality of where power and influence lie. Who said it was right and just. Since when has the world functioned that way?

  43. victoria

    guytaur

    You mean the same voters that are now observing our asylum seeker policies under the coalition?

  44. Bushfire Bill

    ABC-24 are like a chook laying an egg over Bob Carr’s rather unremarkable comments re. 1st Class flying.

    Michael Rowland just cannot resist the snide comments about “prima donna” Carr wanting to arrive at an important meeting as Foreign Minister, in a world flashpoint, refreshed and alert.

    They’re almost (but not quite) as bad as the Daily Telegraph, with their Photoshopped image of Carr in his jarmies. You wouldn’t mind so much if they had Photoshopped images of Tony Abbott in his wetsuit doing laps of the pool at Kirribilli House, or with liveried butlers in attendance.

    To more substantive matters, to me it’s unremarkable that Carr should hold adverse views on the influence (undue influence in his opinion) that the pro-Israel lobby allegedly had on Julia Gillard and other members of the Labor government.

    Jewish lobbyists like to convolve their religion and the Jewish state together, whenever it’s convenient, as do Muslims with their Islamic states. And then there’s the Holocaust… something that happened 75 years ago.

    The end result is that if you speak out in any way against the pro-Israel lobby, you’re branded as a bigot because most of its strongest and most influential members are Jews. Any criticism of what they are doing to Palestinians today is excused, or gagged by the threat of being tagged as “anti-Semitic”.

    The truth is that on both sides of the Palestine equation, there are fanatics who love to hate. At the root of it are our old friends: religion, and that sense of “destiny” that is part and parcel of being granted, by God, a lump of rock on which to scratch out a living (and to fight over).

    Carr was making a case that Labor policy takes a middle ground on these issues, and that the PM had no right to make a captain’s pick on the issue.

    On the other hand, his advice to Gillard to resign simply because Rudd was creating too much trouble for her and the party was laughable. Somebody has to make a stand somewhere on these issues. What is conveniently left out of breathless reports of this part of his book is that Gillard was right: Rudd didn’t even show up for the ballot. Gillard won in a forfeit. So much for Carr’s supposedly impeccable reading of the situation.

    Yes, Rudd came back, but I had the feeling his heart was not in it after that. The day after his humiliation at the No-Show, he pissed off overseas – like the gutless termite he was – leaving his allies to fall on their swords one-by-one.

    Parenthetically, my feeling is that Rudd had to be dragged back into the fight against Gillard very much against his will and his better judgement, by those same big swinging dicks (the leering face of Joel Fitzgibbon and the grim visage of Marn Ferguson come to mind) that he had so recently abandoned.

    He was propped up in the saddle like the Charlton Heston at the end of El Cid, with a piece of 4-by-2 shoved up his arse to keep him upright, and then paraded around the front of the edifice to frighten the enemy: dead, yet not dead,

    Rudd finally achieved his aim of counter-toppling Gillard, and then promptly lost the election in a blur of half-baked policy and wilful blindness to Gillard’s achievements, pretty-well as badly as Gillard herself was predicted to do. Labor was suckered, big time.

    To his credit, from what I have read of the reports of his book, Carr tackles Rudd (and Rudd’s behaviour) with some gusto, so he is at least “balanced” in his analysis.

    I have little doubt that he had a go at Tony Abbott, too, but let’s not get too optimistic that our cowering media – threatened with cutbacks and retributions – will get around to discussing that.

  45. bemused

    absolutetwaddle@1088

    Sorry, but I went to bed before your excellent post appeared on the previous thread.

    You put it all so well, and best of all, from personal experience.

    The “what’s in it for me?” attitude is typical of those “aspirationals” that Mark Latham wanted to pander to.

    I wouldn’t give them the time of day!

  46. guytaur

    victoria

    You are fooling yourself if you think its not a negative perception to roll over for a lobby.

    Look at National Conference policy. Settlements illegal. The members have spoken.

    In this Gillard was wrong. It is being seen as a negative and not a positive. See media coverage.

  47. victoria

    guytaur

    This issue does not resonate strongly here in Australia

  48. guytaur

    victoria

    Voters that reelected the likes of Chris Bowen are whom I am speaking

  49. guytaur

    victoria

    The issue of politicians in power going against what members want does resonate.

  50. victoria

    guytaur

    No doubt you do realise fhat JG and BCarr are no longer MPs

  51. guytaur

    victoria

    No doubt you realise we are talking about what happened when JG and BC were FM and PM.

  52. Sir Mad Cyril

    [
    Voters in western Sydney are from what background?
    ]

    I’d say that they are from a diverse set of backgrounds, with many, many different reasons for voting the way they do

  53. victoria

    guytaur

    Carr is promoting his book. Just like all other pollies who have written books, the majority of people wont notice and it will be forgotten within a few weeks

  54. Steve777

    Re Poroti @40: it reminds me a bit about some of the things opponents to the Republic were saying in the leadup to the 1999 referendum. Lots of improbably doom and gloom and not much about the positives of our constitutional monarchy.

    I have no opinion of Scottish independence other than that they should be independent if they want to be. It looks as though some powerful interests are worried. If I were a Scot I would regard that as a reason to vote ‘yes’: if their equivalents of Gina, Rupert, the IPA and so forth are against it then it must be a good idea.

  55. guytaur

    victoria

    It will be remembered as people add that to the JG attitude to equal marriage and the (I think) false perception that JG’s position was for politics not true belief.

  56. Pegasus

    How Labor won the ‘ethnic vote’ in Western Sydney:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-13/jakubowicz-politics-of-ethnicity/4954660
    [In this election, seats that were heavily Muslim stuck with the ALP. In the lead-up, the LMA had fashioned a strategy to gain support from the government.

    Gillard and Swan had been a real problem – they would not meet with nor take seriously the maturing political leaders, and Gillard’s own lifestyle was uncomfortable for them. Until the return of Rudd the LMA leadership was shaping up to repeat the 2011 intervention, throwing support behind the Coalition.]
    LMA = Lebanese Muslim Association

  57. lizzie

    Is it true that Turnbull is buying the copper network for his Fraudband? Can’t be right, surely.

  58. guytaur

    lizzie

    It has to be true. He needs the copper for the bit from node to home. Telstra is not giving it away.

  59. Compact Crank

    The polling for Scottish Independence appears to indicate No vote a this stage.

    If I was the UK and Scotland voted for Indepedence i’d give it to them – lock stock and barrel – pull out all defence assets, NHS – everything. And force them to have their own currency.

  60. guytaur

    @ABCthedrum: Labor is so close to being Liberal light it strains the capacity for brand recognition | @GreenJ http://t.co/sx5fBrBzLq

  61. guytaur

    “@abcnews: #Breaking: The Northern Territory government has won a High Court challenge over its laws for confiscating the proceeds of crime.”

  62. lizzie

    guytaur

    So Turnbull’s going to spend big bucks on a worn-out copper network. This is like a woman who wears out her shoes walking around the town to save a dollar on toilet paper. Who on earth could agree that Coalition are “good with finance”…

  63. Compact Crank

    Isn’t Identity politics marvellous.

  64. guytaur

    lizzie

    Yes. Senator Conroy and others have made this point during the election campaign.

    Its a good example of the media bias. All the people who know including Tech Journos were telling this. MSM didn’t

  65. guytaur

    @latikambourke: Bob Carr publishes text messages between him and former PM Julia Gillard about UN Resolutions: http://t.co/DcR5eH4N3k

    If it was twitter fair enough. Not so text messages in my opinion. No matter the frustration.

  66. lizzie

    [‏@MrDenmore 50s
    @MikeCarlton01 @MayneReport Also I don’t think people appreciate how much Carr is sending up himself and the whole circus.]

  67. victoria

    lizzie

    Mr Denmore gets it. 🙂

  68. markjs

    Let Turnbull wear the public opprobrium for buying (back) Telstra’s copper network…

    Will cost a motza …but make it easier for Labor to over-build with Fibre when sanity returns to Aussie politics & the ALP resumes building our vital 21C communication infrastructure…

  69. Compact Crank

    The Joe Bullock factor certainly impacting on WA Senate Postals – oh . . .

  70. guytaur

    “@sspencer_63: @latingle @MrDenmore @MikeCarlton01 agree, superb interview with @bobjcarr by @FergusonNews Great balance of the serious and absurd.”

  71. guytaur

    “@ABCNews24: Watch LIVE: Former Foreign Minister @bobjcarr is speaking on his upcoming book http://t.co/FlRWJArtyW #auspol #abcnews24”

  72. guytaur

    “@latikambourke: Bob Carr ‘I make no apologies for providing people with a darned good story.’ Says every cent will go to charity. @abcnews”

  73. zoidlord

    So glad I’m not a party member of any party, they are all the same, self-serving idiots.

  74. bemused

    briefly@36


    1…..Fran Barlow

    It seems to me that members of affiliated unions could get a weighted vote when votes arise for official positions or nominations, and this could be one way of underlining the significance if union membership.


    The rule is a dead letter. Unionists seldom join the ALP as individuals. The reason is simple. If they wish to be politically active, they can take part as union delegates to the ALP and exercise a greater role than if they participated as individual members.
    —–

    Hopelessly WRONG.

    You cannot be a union delegate to ALP conferences unless you are an ALP member.

  75. guytaur

    “@sspencer_63: Carr says his position on Israel and Jewish settlements the same as that of former Israeli PMs, just not the current right wing govt.”

  76. guytaur

    “@ABCNews24: .@bobjcarr: I think the comments calling me a bigot are appalling #auspol”

  77. guytaur

    “@lenoretaylor: Breaking: Bob Carr concedes he is not shy”

  78. zoidlord

    And while Bob Carr while trash talking, Hockey is allowed to get away with this nonsense.

  79. swamprat

    CC @ 62

    [The polling for Scottish Independence appears to indicate No vote a this stage.

    If I was the UK and Scotland voted for Indepedence i’d give it to them – lock stock and barrel – pull out all defence assets, NHS – everything. And force them to have their own currency.]

    Haha, it is not surprising that Tories are the same everywhere. The “No” campaign in the UK actually calls its campaign “Project Fear”.

    Yes the polls show “No” in front but its lead is being slowly wound back. The latest poll is:

    Yes: 41% (+4)
    No: 46% (+1)
    Don’t Know: 14% (-3)

    This is scaring the UK establishment no end and is remarkable when every newspaper and broadcaster (particularly the BBC) in Scotland is waging a relentless campaign against “yes”.

    The Yes supporters wage their campaign via website, word of mouth and are crowd sourcing their funds.

    Scotland subsidises rUK, particularly London. With its oil and gas and other resources Scotland will be 4,000 pounds per year better off than rUK.

    [give it to them – lock stock and barrel – pull out all defence assets, NHS – everything. And force them to have their own currency]

    Haha, again. Scotland has offered to take its share of UK’s 1.3 trillion pound debt and its share of assets which for 300 years Scottish taxes have disproportionally paid for.

    Scotland would be much better off starting debt free if UK followed CC’s sage advice.

    Scots WANT to run their own NHS and other welfare matters. It is part of the reasons for wanting independence.

    As for Defence assets. The Scots can’t wait to see the end of the Trident nuclear military base they have to support.

  80. swamprat

    That should be 4,000 pounds per year per head of population better off than rUK.

  81. Compact Crank

    I wonder if Carr will invoke s18.c of the RDA because he is offended at being called a Bigot (he is) and intimidated by the all-powerful Pro-Israel Lobby.

  82. Compact Crank

    swamprat @85 If things are as positive as you claim then it is a wonder there isn’t overwhelming support for the idea.

    I doubt it will be close in the end.

  83. zoidlord

    @CC/87

    So you are defending the 18c use then? A backflip when it suits your agenda?

  84. Diogenes

    I’m sure that Bob Carrs complaints about not getting pajamas or subtitles with his Wagner opera in first class will resonate with all working Australians.

  85. liyana

    With rumours about cuts to pensions and raising the pension age to 70 – I’ m just wondering whata person is supposed to do for income between the ages of 60-70? At my current job we’re all casual, and our boss only rosters the people over 60 if there is no body younger available. So they get minimum work. Most have some sort of pension to supplement their meagre wages. However, with no pension til 70 and no access to super ( and I don’t have much of that) how is a person supposed to live after age 60?

  86. swamprat

    CC

    [swamprat @85 If things are as positive as you claim then it is a wonder there isn’t overwhelming support for the idea.]

    Well a lot of Scottish Labour and Lib Dem MPs, Lords and Ladies will lose their career paths and access to the massive trough in Westminster. They are a wee bit scared about that.

    I think the BBC gets 300 million pounds from Scottish licence fees per year. BBC Scotland gets a third of that.

    Over the next few months the No campaign, lead by the Red Tories (aka Labour Party) will get increasingly nasty as they get more threatened.

  87. poroti

    Climate Change deniers big backers have moved on to the next stage .From denying man made climate change to accepting it BUT saying it is all good. Can’t wait to see how long before we see our local “climate change is crap” people fall into line.

    [Don’t fear climate change – rising CO2 levels and a warming planet could be beneficial, claims study

    •New report published by the Heartland Institute says human-caused global warming might not be so bad
    •Report cites more than 1,000 studies that highlight ‘benefits’………………The oil company-backed report goes on to state that agricultural production will increase as CO2 levels rise.

    It even goes on to suggest that a warming planet will reduce the amount of human deaths.

    More lives will be saved by global warming by reducing ‘cold-related deaths than those lost
    ]

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2600565/Dont-fear-climate-change-rising-CO2-levels-warming-planet-beneficial-claims-study.html

  88. briefly

    [78….bemused]

    Sure, to participate union delegates must also be party members. The point is that union members seldom exercise their voting rights in ALP elections and preselections in their capacity as “political delegates”. They act in their capacity as “union delegates”.

    The pathways to obtaining credentials differ in each case. “Union delegates” need to be appointed by the relevant affiliated union, whereas “political delegates” have to win internal elections. This means, inevitably, that “union delegates” owe their standing to their union executives rather than to other members of the party itself.

    Because “union delegates” are assured of majorities in the electoral college, when they act collectively they have more power than “political delegates”. This is entrenched in the rules. It follows that union members who wish to be politically active or who seek advancement inside the ALP usually choose to do so as “union delegates”.

  89. Compact Crank

    liyana – it is illegal to disciminate based on age. If your claims are true and verifibale then take him to court.

    Except in a few specific professions – there are no upper age limits to working.

  90. Diogenes

    This is a very ordinary breach of confidence.

    [Former foreign minister Bob Carr has published private text messages between himself and Julia Gillard to reveal the “extraordinary” level of influence the pro-Israel lobby had on the former prime minister’s office.]

  91. MTBW

    guytaur

    Looks like all public housing in the inner city will be up for grabs now.

    The properties are far too valuable for a greedy government.

    BTW

    I am with you on Danby – completely over the top.

  92. briefly

    [87
    Compact Crank

    I wonder if Carr will invoke s18.c of the RDA because he is offended at being called a Bigot (he is) and intimidated by the all-powerful Pro-Israel Lobby.]

    While Carr may have been insulted, s18.c could not apply as he has not been traduced on the basis of his race or ethnicity.

  93. Compact Crank

    swampy – if the truth is as you say then I can’t see why the Scottish would not vote for independence.

    Or, do you think the Scottish are morons?

    Or, just maybe, your claims are bunkem.

  94. swamprat

    For those interested in this exciting time in Scotland, these are two very good sites:

    Wings over Scotland is the leading Independence website:

    http://wingsoverscotland.com

    Another two are:

    http://munguinsrepublic.blogspot.co.uk

    and

    http://bellacaledonia.org.uk

    The Scottish Review is neutral but a very well written journal. Worth subscribing too for the quality of its writing alone.

    http://www.scottishreview.net

  95. Compact Crank

    Dio @96 An understatement, if ever there was one.

  96. Diogenes

    The Jewish lobby could go Carr using the RDA.

    But it’s easier for them to just call him a bigot because he doesn’t agree with them.

  97. victoria

    I got to give Carr and danby credit. They have managed to take the limelight today. Managed to even get Bigots and the RDA back into the discussion.
    Well done

  98. swamprat

    CC

    [Or, do you think the Scottish are morons?]

    Hardly but a lot are told they are “too poor, too wee and too stupid”

    [Or, just maybe, your claims are bunkem.]

    Haha. As a famous Scottish writer of the 18th Century said “facts are stubborn things” (Tobias Smollent).

    Just one example.

    The BBC published statistics on wealth in UK 2012 (map on left). Nice figures if exclude oil and gas. The more accurate map is on the right.

    https://twitter.com/stephenkidd56/status/448434397662810112/photo/1/large

  99. CTar1

    Dio

    [The Jewish lobby could go Carr using the RDA. ]

    I think this a small publicity seeking imbroglio that no one will be talking about in a few days time.

  100. victoria

    How convenient

    [IAN MACDONALD’s business partner, who is considered a ”crucial witness” in a corruption inquiry is understood to have checked himself into a mental-health centre.
    John Gerathy, the business partner and lawyer of disgraced former minister Ian Macdonald, has told the Independent Commission Against Corruption he is ill and unable to give evidence.]

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/macdonalds-business-partner-books-into-mental-care-unit-20130213-2eddv.html#ixzz2yRR11Mg9

  101. Compact Crank

    Let’s just restore Israel to the 1947 borders and sit back and watch what happens. We all know that the Palestinians and the rest of the Arab World are gentle, peace loving peoples.

    Or perhaps just reverse the 1947 establishment of Israel and let them all peacefully coexist.

  102. poroti

    CTar1

    A quick edit needed.
    [ I think this a small publicity seeking imbroglio that no one will be talking about in a few days time.]

  103. victoria

    CTar1/poroti

    It is hilarious watching the msm getting sucked in

  104. Bushfire Bill

    [Climate Change deniers big backers have moved on to the next stage .From denying man made climate change to accepting it BUT saying it is all good.]

    Or else they admit it’s real, and admit we have to do something about right away but, when asked about specific events – bushfires, cycloines, droughts, floods etc. – deny that any of them are down to climate change, indeed implying that climate change has no discernable effects at all.

  105. shellbell

    Victoria

    [IAN MACDONALD’s business partner, who is considered a ”crucial witness” in a corruption inquiry is understood to have checked himself into a mental-health centre.
    John Gerathy, the business partner and lawyer of disgraced former minister Ian Macdonald, has told the Independent Commission Against Corruption he is ill and unable to give evidence.]

    That was last year and ICAC accepted the bloke was genuinely ill.

  106. briefly

    [102
    Diogenes

    The Jewish lobby could go Carr using the RDA.]

    Maybe he has made remarks that would give rise to offense or insult. If he has he would almost certainly be able to rely on s18.d to defend himself.

  107. shellbell

    A psephos arbitration on the Danby Carr imbroglio would be entertaining.

  108. Steve777

    Scots are 5.3 million of the UK’s 63.7 million people – about one in twelve. An independent Scotland will be comparable in population to Denmark, Finland, Slovakia, Singapore (and Queensland and Victoria) and a bit more than Ireland and New Zealand. There’s no obvious impediment to Scotland being a viable independent nation, if that’s what the Scots want, especially with North Sea oil.

    So if they gained independence I expect that they would take on about one twelth of the debt (so a bit over £100 billion), one twelth of the defence assets, local roads and hospitals and an equitable agreement regarding North Sea oil.

    But from what I’ve read, the polls are against it and with a well-funded No campaing gearing up in the coming months, I am not expecting to see any change.

  109. CTar1

    vic – Slow news day …

  110. CTar1

    Cambell Newman holding a press conference to tell us what the BoM has been telling us for around 5 days.

  111. davidwh

    Employment stats will be out soon so that should give us something to talk about.

    How many jobs has Abbott lost in March?

  112. victoria

    Shellbell

    My bad. I meant to show this tweet first, and refer to what happened at last ICAC hearing about witnesses being unable to give evidence due to illness. It all seems rather convenient to me

    [Solicitor Dennis Vuaran has provided medical certificate saying he is suffering an “elevated heart rate”, cant presently give evidence #iac
    10:10am – 10 Apr 14]

  113. CTar1

    davidwh

    [How many jobs has Abbott lost in March?]

    None – he still seems to be there.

  114. dave

    Diogenes@96

    This is a very ordinary breach of confidence.


    Former foreign minister Bob Carr has published private text messages between himself and Julia Gillard to reveal the “extraordinary” level of influence the pro-Israel lobby had on the former prime minister’s office.

    He “claims” he did so in the public interest.

    I wonder how many pages he devoted to telling people what he knew about the corruption of Obeid etc and what he did about it?

    Yes he had retired, but it must have developed on his watch and he was still a senior Labor figure while the corruption flourished.

    That is far more in the public interest.

    He may think he is smart writing the stuff he did. I see him as just another arsehole who ‘achieved’ fcuk all in his time as FM.

    All he is doing is tearing the scab of destructive infighting within Labor yet again – and spitting in the faces of Labor voters.

    Good riddens to him.

  115. zoidlord

    @davidwh/117

    Commsec posted on twitter last night March only added 11,000, Unemployment still 6.0%.

  116. Diogenes

    Dave

    I don’t mind him saying he thought Gillard was too pro Israel, but to include private text messages is not even close to being acceptable.

  117. zoidlord

    CommSec ‏@CommSec 2m

    Jobless rate falls to 5.8% (mkt expected 6.1%). 18,100 jobs created in Mar; significantly better than market forecasts. #jobs #ausecon ^SD

    Updated.

  118. CTar1

    ABC ‘Unemployment rate falls from 6 per cent to 5.8 per cent in March’.

  119. shellbell

    The NT confiscation legislation which the High Court okayed today seems to permit the government to take property which is legitimately acquired if used as part of a criminal pursuit eg – conduct criminal business from it.

  120. Diogenes

    [Jobless rate falls to 5.8% (mkt expected 6.1%). 18,100 jobs created in Mar; significantly better than market forecasts. ]

    That’s a great result for Australia and Abbott.

    I’m sure everyone here will be pleased. 🙂

  121. shellbell

    [Good riddens to him.]

    Bob Carr never leaves

  122. briefly

    http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/6202.0

    [TREND ESTIMATES (MONTHLY CHANGE)

    Employment increased to 11,531,600.
    Unemployment increased to 730,400 from a revised February 2014 estimate.
    Unemployment rate increased by less than 0.1 pts to 6.0%.
    Participation rate remained steady at 64.7%.
    Aggregate monthly hours worked increased 2.8 million hours (0.2%) to 1,615.6 million hours.]

    No big change in labour market trends in March. Job growth exists, but at a rate that is slower than labour supply/ population growth. Unemployment continues to edge upwards.

  123. zoidlord

    CommSec ‏@CommSec 2m

    Aust Mar Jobs Report – Unemployment 5.8% Aggregate monthly hours worked up 2.8Million hours (0.2%) to 1,615.6M hours. #ausbiz

    But again still has nothing to do with this government 🙂

    Since they have no policy in creating jobs, but cutting policies in the budget are in the pipe line, and hockey’s words are ‘wide ranging cuts’.

  124. davidwh

    Dio that is positive news if it is confirmed.

  125. victoria

    dio

    As per the link briefly posted. Nothing good about the job numbers at all

  126. victoria

    davidwh

    It is not positive news. Check out briefly’s link.

  127. WeWantPaul

    [Let’s just restore Israel to the 1947 borders and sit back and watch what happens. We all know that the Palestinians and the rest of the Arab World are gentle, peace loving peoples.
    ]

    Supporters of Israel should perhaps be a little smarter than relying on a belief, founded only fundamental racism, that somehow the ‘Arab World’ is somehow innately more violent than any other race or part of the world. It is more silly than the frequent suggestion that the military might of the Arab world is a real and present danger to the ongoing viability of the Israeli state such that all manner of the grossest and most vile human rights abuses are not only defensible but somehow honorable.

  128. davidwh

    zoidlord people can’t have it both ways, blame Abbott when the rate goes up but say it’s nothing to do with him when the rate goes down. I can live with a consistent opinion either way. Personally I think governments have some impact on jobs but usually not a significant impact. Of couse when you have multi-billion $ stimulus programs then the impact becomes more significant.

  129. victoria

    Grog makes the pertinent point

    [If you think the seasonally adj figure is the one to report, then March had the 4th biggest drop in unemployment rate in the past decade]

  130. zoidlord

    @davidwh/130

    It’s not actually.

    From what I’m reading, Unemployment still ground in the thousands.

  131. Steve777

    Unemployment rate is based upon a Bureau of Statistics sanple of about 300,000 people. For typical unemployment rates (i.e under 10%), the margin of error is about 0.1%. So the rate will tend to jump around by 0.1% from month to month, but a drop from 6.1% to 5.8% does look like good news.

  132. victoria

    Another tweet from Grog

    Lulz, WA seas adjusted unemployment rate falls from 5.9% to 4.9%!!! While trend went from 5.1% to 5.3%.

  133. zoidlord

    @davidwh/134

    Abbott promised before and during election, that they will help workers find jobs, and give money to those who get a job and help stay in it.

    Well, those are no longer being talked about.

    Remember, Abbott said:

    $6500 for those who get a job and stick with it.
    2 million jobs in a decade.

    And few other things.

  134. victoria

    And another

    [Trend is your friend. Unemployment rate Seas adj *falls* from 6.1% to 5.8%, while trend goes from 5.9% to 6.0%]

  135. Steve777

    Of course Tony Abbott et al will claim credit for the drop in unemployment. Had the rate gone up, they’d have blamed Labor.

  136. davidwh

    So we are saying that when the forecast was for less jobs to be created and the unemployment rate to increase when in fact jobs created was higher and the unemployment rate actually reduced is not positive news.

    Sigh … I surrender.

  137. zoidlord

    @davidwh/142

    We been saying that Unemployment still out ranks Employment.

    18,000 Per month is what is required.

  138. victoria

    davidwh

    Not what we are saying

    TREND ESTIMATES (MONTHLY CHANGE)

    [Employment increased to 11,531,600.
    Unemployment increased to 730,400 from a revised February 2014 estimate.
    Unemployment rate increased by less than 0.1 pts to 6.0%.
    Participation rate remained steady at 64.7%.
    Aggregate monthly hours worked increased 2.8 million hours (0.2%) to 1,615.6 million hours.]

  139. Gary

    You have to hand it to Bob Carr, he knows how to sell a book.

  140. Diogenes

    Gary

    I’m almost tempted to buy it.

    What are these “steel cut oats” he eats for breakfast?

  141. davidwh

    zoidlord I understand all that and accept the employment market is still weak. Still a lot of hard work to be done to get back to where we were in 2008. I just take some comfort that the situation is better than expected. I guess I am just a glass half-full type of person.

  142. Compact Crank

    WWP @133

    You make a lot of inferences not based on facts.

    Has not Israel fought a number of wars against Arab neighbours and suffered constant Terrorist attack? Pointing out the facts is not about race.

    As for you rclaims about human rights abuses – the IDF and Israeli justice system takes action against Israeli soldiers who break the law against Palestinians. Have the Palestinians ever done such a thing?

  143. Steve777

    Re my 141 – apologies – that was incorrect – I must have mixed it up with something else.

    http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Lookup/6202.0Explanatory%20Notes1Mar%202014?OpenDocument

    “The Labour Force Survey is based on a multi-stage area sample of private dwellings (currently approximately 26,000 houses, flats, etc.) and a list sample of non-private dwellings (hotels, motels, etc.), and covers approximately 0.32% of the civilian population of Australia aged 15 years and over.”

    So the sample size would be closer to about 50,000 people and the margin of error would be about 0.2%. The drop is still good news.

  144. Gary

    Carr, in response to Mitchell’s question re the tosser front page headline, was wtte it will help sell more books.
    Invaluable publicity.

  145. zoidlord

    @davidwh/148

    You still not understanding that even back when the GFC happened is only 6.9%

    Now,if you want job numbers, look at Canada.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20140404-704229.html

  146. poroti

    Diogenes

    Here ya go. No very “exotic”.

    [Steel-cut oats are whole grain groats (the inner portion of the oat kernel) which have been cut into pieces. They are commonly used in Scotland and Ireland to make porridge, whereas rolled oats are used in England, ]

  147. davidwh

    zoidlord I fully understand having lived through it for six years. I just have a different view on things than many posters here.

  148. shellbell

    I suggest this is unlikely to be accepted by the ICAC Commissioner:

    [Tony Kelly said he only resubmitted the dodgy AWH cabinet minute because Kristina Keneally “invited” him to do so]

  149. MTBW

    A further look at the job figures says that there has been a loss in full time figures and a gain in part time or casual jobs.

    Just the way the Libs and the employers like it!

  150. CTar1

    shelbell – This series of witnesses seem to say just anything to try to make excuses.

  151. Think Big

    [Canadian climate sceptic blogger and mining industry veteran Stephen McIntyre had used quotes illegally hacked from a private internet forum to try and back his complaints.]

    Sceptics just can’t help themselves. Having roundly failed to argue the science they are attacking scientists via the courts and stealing private information. No ethics whatsoever.
    http://www.desmogblog.com/2014/04/09/professors-resign-journal-over-retraction-paper-upset-climate-science-deniers

    As for that fraud Bjorn Lomborg (who once claimed that that climate-science was wrong but now admits that it isn’t) is now claiming that ‘economists’ say the cost of mitigation outweighs the cost of adaptation but relies solely on the work of Richard Tol – whose analysis pretty much only takes into account the increased cost of running air-conditioners.
    Lomborg previously used 4 economists (including Tol) to peddle his rubbish but some of them accused Lomborg of misrepresenting their work

  152. zoidlord

    @MTBW/157

    Yup, which is continuing the trend even under Labor.

    So the Unemployment figure is being masked by increased part time/casual jobs.

  153. bemused

    [briefly
    Posted Thursday, April 10, 2014 at 10:55 am | PERMALINK
    78….bemused

    Sure, to participate union delegates must also be party members. The point is that union members seldom exercise their voting rights in ALP elections and preselections in their capacity as “political delegates”. They act in their capacity as “union delegates”.

    The pathways to obtaining credentials differ in each case. “Union delegates” need to be appointed by the relevant affiliated union, whereas “political delegates” have to win internal elections. This means, inevitably, that “union delegates” owe their standing to their union executives rather than to other members of the party itself.

    Because “union delegates” are assured of majorities in the electoral college, when they act collectively they have more power than “political delegates”. This is entrenched in the rules. It follows that union members who wish to be politically active or who seek advancement inside the ALP usually choose to do so as “union delegates”.]
    We’ll, that is certainly not so in all cases.

    There are some unions in Victoria who organise their members, who are also ALP members, to seek election in their electorates so that the union maximises it’s clout. It is clear where their first loyalty lies & it isn’t the ALP.

  154. zoidlord

    Nick Ross ‏@NickRossTech 1m

    The New NBN: Uncosted, No Upload Speeds And No Timetable http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2014/04/the-new-nbn-uncosted-no-upload-speeds-and-no-timetable/ … #NBN

  155. Libertarian Unionist

    [So we are saying that when the forecast was for less jobs to be created and the unemployment rate to increase when in fact jobs created was higher and the unemployment rate actually reduced is not positive news. ]

    Full-time employment decreased 22,100 while part-time employment increased 40,200.

    So the total increase in employed persons was around 18,000, but at the same time, the number looking for work dropped by about 30,000. Plus the number of new residents was about 30,000.

    Unemployment was down, but it’s not a good set of figures.

  156. MTBW

    zoid

    It is a worry! I have three grandchildren and I wonder what sort of world it will be when they leave school.

    It is not beyond the realm of possibilities that everyone will be on part time or casual wages.

  157. Thomas. Paine.

    [Former foreign minister Bob Carr has published private text messages between himself and Julia Gillard to reveal the “extraordinary” level of influence the pro-Israel lobby had on the former prime minister’s office. ]

    And in this we might find the real reason the right faction and their front-person plotted for a very long time (maybe from the start) to run a coup against Rudd…. a threat to their power over everything and a threat to the wishes of the pro-Israel lobby.

    Didn’t Rudd send an Israeli diplomat home over fake passports or somthin…that must have got right up their noses…how dare the PM of a country take exception to a ‘friendly’ country faking its passport for spying….and less tasteful ‘work’….

    Yeh those Israelis are peace lovin too…..running false flag bombings of foreign embassies…killin innocent kids and peoples to stir up the anti Arab sentiment….

    Go Julia!!

  158. MTBW

    TP

    And the Israelis are building their houses on Palestinian land settlements.

    Arrogance writ large!

  159. Libertarian Unionist

    [So the Unemployment figure is being masked by increased part time/casual jobs.]

    …and the continued drop in participation. Part of this will be people loosing hope, but I would guess that the larger part is simply demographics.

    and on those demographics, the numbers of investment properties being sold back onto the market is only going to increase – we’ll see how all those negative gearing losses crystallise and capital gains vanish when the recently retired start offloading them en masse.

  160. dave

    Diogenes@147

    Gary

    I’m almost tempted to buy it.

    What are these “steel cut oats” he eats for breakfast?

    Isn’t two (boiled) eggs a day, every day, too many eggs ?

  161. Thomas. Paine.

    [As for you rclaims about human rights abuses – the IDF and Israeli justice system takes action against Israeli soldiers who break the law against Palestinians.]

    Bwahaha… just like the two spies who blew up the ship in NZ… came back as heroes…even though they killed.

  162. Rex Douglas

    While Turnbull is butchering a major infrastructure reform, Bob Carr is happily entertaining the MSM.

    Too many moronic fools in this country have too much power.

  163. Thomas. Paine.

    AND if it were Rudd’s texts that Carr leaked … most here wouldn’t complain about it.

    Also noticed channel 9 breakfast focussed on the trivial stuff of Carr’s book trying to make fun of him…..whereas the ABC and Sunrise had a look at the serious stuff. Stefanovic wanker’s wanker.

    ALSO – Glad this book is out now…..perfect lead up to Rudd’s tell all book..now some of the inside truth is coming from other quarters….Rudd’s book maybe after the next election. Look forward to it…except the ‘faceless men’ and their patsy.

  164. Rex Douglas

    Where is Jason Clare ???

  165. Compact Crank

    zoidy @139 – you’ll have to wait for the Budget