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May 27, 2014

Essential Research: 52-48 to Labor

Essential Research again fails to record evidence of a budget backlash on voting intention, but finds Tony Abbott is now considered out of touch, untrustworthy, and less good in a crisis.

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The regular weekly Essential Research is the only new national poll this week following last week’s post-budget deluge, and true to the pollster’s form it fails to reflect a big shift evident elsewhere. Labor’s two-party preferred lead is at 52-48 for a fourth consecutive week, and it is fact down a point on the primary vote to 39%, with the Coalition steady on 40%, the Greens up one to 9% and Palmer United steady on 5%. Also featured are semi-regular questions on leaders’ attributes, finding a sharp decline in Tony Abbott’s standing since six weeks ago, including an 11 point rise on “out of touch with ordinary people” to 67%, a 10-point drop on “good in a crisis” to 35% and an 11-point drop on “trustworthy” to 29%, while Bill Shorten has gone up in respondents’ estimations, enjoying nine-point lifts on “understands the problems facing Australia” (to 53%) and “a capable leader” (to 51%).

The poll also canvassed sources of influence on the major parties, finding the Coalition too influenced by property developers (53% too much to 18% not enough), mining companies (52% to 20%) and the media (44% to 24%). Labor’s worst ratings were for unions (47% to 24%) and the media (46% to 18%), and it too scored a net negative rating on property developers (39% to 21%). Both parties were deemed most insufficiently responsive to students, welfare groups and average citizens (in last place for both), with employer groups also in the mix for Labor. Other findings show strong opposition to increasing the GST to 12% (32% support to 58% oppose) or expanding it to cover fresh fruit and vegetables (18% support to 75% oppose); 51% concerned about Trans-Pacific Partnership negotiations being closed to the public and the media against 37% not concerned; 37% supporting an agreement to resettle refugees in Cambodia versus 39% opposed; and only 5% thinking the government should be funding religious chaplains only, with 17% opting for secular social workers only and 37% opting for both.

Another poll nugget emerged yesterday courtesy of the Construction Mining Forestry and Energy Union, which produced a UMR Research poll of 1000 respondents in the marginal seats of La Trobe in Victoria, Forde in Queensland and Lindsay in New South Wales, respectively showing results of 60-40 to Labor (a swing of 14%), 58-42 to Labor (12.4%) and 50-50 (3%).

William Bowe — Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe

Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, is one of the most heavily trafficked forums for online discussion of Australian politics, and joined the Crikey stable in 2008.

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1,627 thoughts on “Essential Research: 52-48 to Labor

  1. silmaj

    The very simple question that is in the public arena.
    Do you think that the debt should go up and if so how much?
    This is not partisan

  2. zoidlord

    Just remember, before the debt limit was removed, Hockey hid the extra $200 billion of debt to fuel the whole debt issue.

  3. Roger Miller

    Do you think the coalition are reducing the debt?

  4. zoidlord


    The debt has already gone up due to Hockey’s inability to be honest with the budget see post 1529.

  5. silmaj

    I’m asking if you personally want the debt to increase?

  6. Roger Miller

    Im asking do you think the coalition are reducing the debt?

  7. zoidlord


    That sounds like a gotchya question.

  8. silmaj

    The budget has come out and at this point is unlegislated. So if you are asking me that the coalition is reducing the debt then I cannot say .

  9. Roger Miller

    If you think the coalition is reducing the debt, you should pay more attention to what they do, not what they say.

  10. briefly

    Hey Roger L=Miller…you’re spot on in your reasoning about education

  11. silmaj

    That is no gotcha question. I simply ask do you think that it is better if the debt rises.

  12. Roger Miller

    If Australia could wipe out its debt by selling Tasmania, would that be the right thing to do?

  13. briefly

    Roger M…may I ask, are you originally from Perth?

  14. Roger Miller

    No. Originally from Canberra, though parents originay from Perth.

  15. Fulvio Sammut

    OOOH a great big conspiracy theory occurs to me.

    Abbott a guest at a big dinner also attended by Palmer.

    Palmer sneaks out after entrees for his secret rendezvous with Malcolm and Parkinson. Abbott suspicious but stuck.

    Meets up, and secret squirrell business discussed.

    Malcolm to challenge for leadership, with guarantee that budget will be passed by Palmer.

    Palmer to get Ministry a la Hamilton – Smith in Turnbull Government if he succeeds, and the rest of his dopey crew assistant under – secretaryships in unimportant Ministries to keep ’em onside. Also get to be treated as a Party – with perks.

    Palmer promises to pass budget (subject to a few minor changes to make him appear the good guy).

    Rest of community screwed.

    Sound about right?

    This stuff writes itself, as Bushfire might say.

  16. briefly

    RM..tks…I knew a person of the same name, many years ago here in the West

  17. crikey whitey

    Just a warning shot. I intend to post anything available.

    Some posters, much earlier, talked of Alan Jones. Then Brandis.
    Bit of idle speculation, going on there.

    There is nothing I know of Brandis. Nor have I looked.

    But there is plenty on Alan Jones.

    And it would not breach the I suppose, RDA sections, to simply post the already known and speculated upon. And it is easy to imagine how much Alan Jones hates the ABC.

    Trifle trashy of me and out of my usual, but he did to Julia. No quarter.

    The demons that drive Alan Jones
    October 20, 2006

    Edited extracts from Jonestown by Chris Masters (Allen & Unwin, $49.95)

    Alan Jones’s struggle with his sexuality has defined much of his hidden private life and successful public persona. In an explosive new book, Chris Masters charts a crowded life full of contradictions.

    OVER time I thought of Alan Jones as leading seven lives – not one of them his own. Read on and you will meet them all.

    There is the blokey, foul-mouthed ex-football coach; the courtly, non-swearing charmer of older women; the farmer’s (miner’s/union official’s/teacher’s) son; the thwarted prime minister; the ombudsman of Struggle Street; the Oxford orator; and the hidden homosexual, forever hunting for love among the twenty somethings.

    The masking of his homosexuality is a defining feature of the Jones persona. Jones’s apparent self-belief that, on the one hand, he is damaged and, on the other hand, special, goes a long way to explaining an unusual personality. It informs consistently curious behaviour, his private self frequently intruding on the public self.

    From the start, listening to his radio program, I understood there was a lot worth learning.

    Alan Jones breaches many conventions about what works on radio. He does not run away from “feel-bad” subjects, championing causes such as care for the disabled and respect for victims of mental illness. In Australia’s largest radio market he has dominated ratings for 15 years.

    His power, whether real or perceived, has all manner of princes and premiers bowing before him.


  18. Tom the first and best


    The Tasmanians have a veto over that and so it won`t happen.

  19. silmaj

    No. But the funny thing is that the more the debt grows we are being bought without knowing.

  20. Roger Miller

    Less than twenty?

  21. briefly

    Fulvio Sammut

    I doubt it…the LNP really need Palmer. He’s their only hope as far as the budget is concerned, but he has everything to gain and nothing to lose by opposing it. Why would anyone go near the budget? It is toxic sludge.

  22. zoidlord


    Debt should be used to fuel activity (i.e. create jobs), but needs to remove Corporate welfare, and close tax loop holes.

    Considering when Labor left office with peak $370 billion, Joe Hockey pretty much doubled that in less than a year (to $667 billion), I suggest we can have higher debt – fudging the numbers like they did with Labor’s NBN $50 billion – $100 billion dollar..

  23. briefly


    No. But the funny thing is that the more the debt grows we are being bought without knowing.]

    This is a non sequitur. If sold an asset then we would not have acquired a debt. We can either accrue liabilities or dispose of assets…but not both in the one transaction

  24. Fulvio Sammut

    Conspiracy or not, Palmer will pass the budget.

    Abbott will sell his second hand arse again to ensure it.

  25. mimhoff

    [I simply ask do you think that it is better if the debt rises.]

    Why, are you offering to pay it?

    Also doesn’t anyone who buys government bonds by definition support an increase in debt?

  26. crikey whitey


    Quite good reasoning.

    But your plot needs a bit of a shape up.

    It fell apart in Scene One.

    ‘Palmer sneaks out after entrees for his secret rendezvous with Malcolm and Parkinson.’

    Clive would NEVER leave the table before the mains.

    Nor the remainder of the meal.

    Let alone, who paid the bill?

    Bit more Poirot, Fulvio.

  27. silmaj

    A budget is your best guess for the next period of time. You can only reflect on it during or after the event. You must surely understand that the last 6 budgets were way out.

  28. zoidlord


    Now who is being biased now? You are blaming Labor, by saying the last 6 budgets were way out.

    Coalition Party doubled the debt in less than a year, than what Labor did in 6 years.

  29. Fulvio Sammut

    Ah, but he ate earlier, you see.

    Grey cells, mon cher ami.

  30. briefly



    Debt should be used to fuel activity (i.e. create jobs), but needs to remove Corporate welfare, and close tax loop holes.

    Considering when Labor left office with peak $370 billion, Joe Hockey pretty much doubled that in less than a year (to $667 billion), I suggest we can have higher debt – fudging the numbers like they did with Labor’s NBN $50 billion – $100 billion dollar..]

    The debt numbers are all wrong…the number used by the LNP is gross debt. Net debt is far less.

    It would be wise if we only incurred debt to acquire assets – to invest, rather than to fund consumption. We should try to make sure our recurrent spending is funded from recurrent income over the business cycle.

  31. silmaj

    You of all posters must know who buys the Govt bonds.

  32. Roger Miller

    The Illuminatti?

  33. silmaj

    How can I be biased by reporting a past fact. It is your denial of history that is odd in a non partisan view.

  34. briefly


    You of all posters must know who buys the Govt bonds.]

    So? Selling a bond is simply accepting a loan now and making a promise to repay it in the future. It’s not the same as “selling” the country or any of its assets.

    Since the Government can produce almost as many $ as it may ever need, it is promising to repay the lender with something it can just “create”. Lenders are happy enough with this because the AUD is freely convertible and is always negotiable here.

  35. briefly

    Personally, I’m far more worried about private sector debts than official debt. Private debts are huge and are a much bigger risk to financial stability than the Commonwealth’s liabilities.

  36. crikey whitey


    Un petit peu convaincante.

    Even if the villain, if he is, and you have not necessarily made that clear, Clive could eat Titanic meals without flinching.

  37. silmaj

    Oh dear,so you think we should outsell our value as a govt entity to overseas markets. I hope you have trust in the good intentions of the lenders

  38. briefly

    Commonwealth securities are intrinsically important to the financial system because they offer a very low risk interest rate benchmark, they are a very safe investment and they have an essential place in the reserve and liquidity management needs of the banks. The idea that they are “bad” is just loopy.

  39. zoidlord


    That’s what Coalition Party Governments have been doing, selling our assets and our value overseas.

    They sold Telstra, and increased foreign debt to cover up our local debt.

  40. briefly


    Oh dear,so you think we should outsell our value as a govt entity to overseas markets. I hope you have trust in the good intentions of the lenders]

    If foreigners want to buy Australian securities then good luck to them. There are no capital controls in place in our financial markets. Do you want to impose them? That would be a very sure way to reduce liquidity, drive up interest rates, repel foreign investment and require the re-introduction of a fixed exchange rate. It would be very destructive…

  41. silmaj

    I didn’t say they were bad. However the more you distribute to overseas investors( who if you have noticed on a daily basis believe that we are over valued and under productive) they will have a decision making price on the value of our bonds.

  42. silmaj

    Do you have super Zoid?

  43. zoidlord


    No, I am Disabled.

  44. crikey whitey

    Admirable, really.


    Arguing with a clot from Central Headquarters.

    You will not persuade.

    May as well talk to me on matters fiscal.

    At least I have some sense.

  45. briefly


    I didn’t say they were bad. However the more you distribute to overseas investors( who if you have noticed on a daily basis believe that we are over valued and under productive) they will have a decision making price on the value of our bonds.]

    So what? Foreigners have always had an influence on the pricing of our financial assets – that is, they have nearly always demanded a premium to hold them. They still do, which is why our interest rates are higher than US or UK rates, for example.

    At the deepest level, the assets of any one jurisdiction are ALWAYS expressed in terms of the prices of other assets issued in other jurisdictions. This is the nature of arbitrage and convertibility. We can say the entire function of financial markets is to continually establish what the exchange values of differing assets ought to be.

    Do you want to excise Australia from global markets? What is your point?

  46. briefly

    crikey whitey
    Posted Thursday, May 29, 2014 at 1:44 am | Permalink

    cw, you are a fiscal mastermind 🙂

  47. crikey whitey

    There is little to be made of Silly Maj until and unless the issue of such minor slights against the taxpayer are mentioned.

    Addressed and put in the context of the Budget and the real world. As it affects those are in it.

    One being:

    Rupert Murdoch’s Australian operations pocketed an Aus$882 million (US$800 million) tax rebate from the new conservative government, reports said Monday, blowing a major hole in the country’s budget.

    The massive payout to News Corp. — one of the largest ever made by the Australian Taxation Office (ATO) — related to complex shuffling of assets through local and overseas businesses in 1989 that netted the company a Aus$2 billion tax deduction, according to The Australian Financial Review.

    According to the AFR, the payout was a significant element of the Aus$17 billion spending blowout unveiled by the new government in December.

    In July 2013 Australia’s Federal Court ruled that News Corp ought to be allowed to claim the deduction and the ATO had 28 days to decide to appeal.

    The business daily said the ATO decided against such a move, as Murdoch’s Australian newspapers waged a concerted campaign against the then-Labor government, openly urging voters to remove them from office with a series of scathing headlines.

    Then-prime minister Kevin Rudd claimed Murdoch was agitating against Labor in exchange for concessions from the conservatives, who went on to win power in September 2013, the AFR said.

    Prime Minister Tony Abbott refused to comment on the allegations Monday, saying the payout “is something which is news to me and I’ll have to take that one on notice”.

    The ATO would not speak about the News Corp case but said it followed strict procedures when deciding whether to lodge an appeal and sought “external legal counsel opinion on the prospects of success”.

    “Careful consideration is given to a range of factors, including the costs to all parties of proceeding and the importance of the particular case to clarifying the law for the benefit of the wider community,” an ATO spokesman told AFP.

    Other major spending included an Aus$8.8 billion cash injection to the central bank and Aus$1.2 billion for a government’s military-led crackdown on people-smugglers.

    Murdoch’s News Corp is the dominant media player in his native Australia, controlling 70 percent of capital city newspaper circulation. The firm also has significant online and television assets.

  48. silmaj

    1570 Zoid
    I asked that question because the sale of Telstra and other govt sales have mostly ended up In the hands of Australians. Are you still looking for work?

  49. briefly


    This is just silly. Foreigners exchange their currency for ours. They hold ours. We hold theirs. Liquidity is mutually reinforced…it is a good thing, builds networked resilience and mutual obligation…

  50. briefly

    good to see you cw…oxo

    bed time…seeya all!!

  51. silmaj

    The higher foreign investment in bond the higher influence. You must have seen what can happen when the ratings agencies and large institutions decide you are in their sights.

  52. zoidlord


    No, I gave looking for work since my accident at WFTD program, some years ago, the place I was working in (aged care) couldn’t keep up with admin work.

    Having been under Coalition government and Labor government, I understand why there is so many people unemployed.

    Race to the bottom.

  53. crikey whitey

    Night too, Briefly.

    Taa for that.

    cw, you are a fiscal mastermind 🙂

    I’ll add it to my tinfoil tiara.

    Sleep well.

    Count sheep, not numbers,

  54. crikey whitey

    What is that, Zoidlord?

    WTFD We Care Program??

    Sleep well you.

  55. silmaj

    Well that’s a shame Zoid although I would have thought that perhaps a com/it partime job could be possible.

  56. zoidlord


    Under the old DSP rules, you couldn’t work anymore than 15(?) hours a week, by the time they changed so you could do 30 hours a week, part-time job, I had lost interest, and had family related issues popping up (which continue to this day), as well as my own health to contend with.


  57. mexicanbeemer

    But if a job last less than two years one simply returns to DSP and if the job last longer than two years and the condition remains then one returns to DSP.

  58. silmaj

    Zoid your ability on this blog is beyond mine. There is employment in this game. So I wouldn’t rule out employment. I have been manufacturing Aus products within a family business since 1974. There is little future in my game unless a few things change. I would guess that our family business has employed 10,000 people over its time so we aren’t totally clueless.

  59. zoidlord


    Well, actually you can do both, it all depends on how much you earn too.

    “Disability Support Pension customers can work for up to 30 hours a week and continue to receive a part pension, as long as you still meet the income test.”

    As I said, debt isn’t a problem, but rather jobs is the problem.

  60. mexicanbeemer

    Being allowed to work for 30 hours is a far better option than the 15 hours.

    Too often policy makers overlook the need for greater flexibility which 30 hours provides.

  61. zoidlord


    Believe me i tried getting employment, it’s quiet easy to say one thing on the web, than going through an interview with 1-4 panel and passing the interviews.

    In John Howard days-Kevin Rudd days, I use to apply for jobs all the time, all over Brisbane/South East Queensland and locally.

    Filled quiet a few little notebooks/paper they use to give us.

  62. mexicanbeemer

    Many Recruiters don’t view political knowledge as a skill! which is odd but is partly a result of many of them being from a sales/marketing background hence they don’t really value political knowledge.

  63. zoidlord

    Anyway, nearly 3am, time for bed, night all!

  64. zoidlord


    Don’t worry, I’ve tried applying for Government like jobs too! Including working for local councils, even my younger brother (he does construction) is having trouble applying for a job at local council atm.

  65. silmaj

    I know your in qld from previous post. Don’t right of a job. The problem with the current job market is that it is inflexible. Let me give you an example. You could problem earn an income by vetting internet enquiries for a business while the owner was passed out asleep due to being worn out. I would assume that this sort of employment is probably illegal.

  66. mexicanbeemer

    The current labour market is soft even for people with G8 University degrees and high profile organisations on their C.V’s

    Which makes the government’s newstart policies look short-sighted and nasty.

    As Briefly has pointed out since 2011 incomes have been under pressure and as he/she predicted this government doesn’t seem able to handle that.

  67. silmaj

    The problem with employment is not that we don’t have enough jobs. The problem is that it has become to costly to keep the basic job in Aus. It has been forced on employers to spend the majority of their time working out how to make a product in Aus and try to compete with someone from overseas who couldn’t give a flying duck about anything at all.

  68. mexicanbeemer


    Business has in recent times become focused on cost which isn’t a bad thing as private sector debt does need to be rained in although most of it is owed by the Banks.

    I sometimes wonder if business has by its main focus being on cost is in danger of overlooking opportunities for growth.

    I would like to see the government act to reduce the cost of rents faced by many small business.

    The cost of employment needs to be reviewed, the only problem is many view any such need as an attack on wages and conditions when in some cases the cost of employment has been created by the regulations surrounding employment and the on-going cost of the systems in place to police the regulations.

    Worksafe is one agency which is ineffective and as a result is adding cost.

  69. silmaj

    High wage, rent , interest , regulation and taxes have over time destroyed the ability to send product overseas. The Aus dollar has certainly not helped although we haven’t attempted personally for 15 years now. It is interesting to hear the political argument go on as I see deals worth millions go overseas. In fact very soon bucketloads work is going to the USA which has been developed here. The key to things not getting worse is not govt but monetary policy.

  70. mexicanbeemer


    I agree that rents, regulation and taxes have created many problems but I am of the view that our wages are not excessive.

    We are a high cost economy hence the need to have higher wages or we can have lower wages which will lead to less consumption & investment which will in turn hurt business revenues.

    Lower wages are a short term fix with minimal long term benefit.

    Lower wages reduces confidence which will only add to any economic weakness.

  71. mexicanbeemer

    Sadly the AUD looks set to remain in the low to mid 90s until at least the U.S has completely redrawn its money printing program and their interest rates start to rise.

    Our RBA has a big problem as if they move to increase rates before the U.S does our AUD will more than likely move higher.

    We are basically stuck waiting for the Americans to come to turn off the printers.

  72. mexicanbeemer

    Furthermore according to the RBA wages have been falling in many industries.

  73. frednk

    Those that carry on about debt should have a long hard think about who creates the money supply, and the consequence if the government creates no more. Good governments balance economies not budgets.

  74. sprocket_

    Hmmmm.. Fascinating dining companions in a Canberra Chinese restaurant last night.

    Malcom Turnbull, Treasurt head Martin Parkinson (boned by Abbott) and The Professor himself. Tagging along it would appear was the Daily ToiletPaper.

    [Mr Palmer did not let on that he was heading to the real power dinner of the night. “This is the life of a politician, I have to go and give a speech to the party faithful,” he said as he walked out. “We have thousands of members all over the country.”

    Certainly the power that Mr Palmer holds through his independent seat is of great interest to the Abbott government right now as it battles to push through a controversial Budget.

    The Queensland billionaire left his dining companions waiting at the Asian restaurant on the newly developed Kingston foreshore, close to Mr Turnbull’s Canberra penthouse.

    Mr Palmer anxiously paced around the front of Parliament House as his driver raced to get his silver Bentley from the carpark to pick him up.

    “I have six minutes to get there,” he said, at least 10 minutes before he left.

    Earlier in the day he had asked for the government to provide him with the same number of staffers as The Greens. It might have been the bargaining chip the government was waiting for.

    Or it could just have been a nice dinner of “fine Asian cuisine” among very rich friends.

    Senior ministers last night were surprised to hear of the meeting and even more curious about the presence of Dr Parkinson.


  75. sprocket_

    Clive has a penchant for encouraging disgruntled politicians to join PUP.

    Surely he wouldn’t be inviting Lord Buffering of Wentworth? Surely not.

  76. guytaur

    Good Morning


    How fascinating. Maybe Abbott has gone too far for Mr Turnbull with his arrack on Medicare or education.

    Maybe he is ensuring the blocking of the repeal of the carbon price to ensure a real leadership challenge with Parkinson to explain the economics.

    Maybe even talking about how to help Palmer out with his cost by an exemption from the carbon price debt.

    Such delicious food for thought. 😀

  77. guytaur

    @ConversationEDU: NEWS: Students could be in debt for the rest of their lives. (Get the modelling + explanation of new research here) http://t.co/n5MwLLGNol

  78. chinda63

    [Clive has a penchant for encouraging disgruntled politicians to join PUP.

    Surely he wouldn’t be inviting Lord Buffering of Wentworth? Surely not.]

    No way. Mal would want to be leader and there is no way Cliev would have any truck with that.

  79. guytaur

    @ReutersWorld: Why Japan and Australia are considering a submarine deal that could rattle #China: http://t.co/epoVQ58ezj

  80. sceptic

    More trouble for Abbott….

    The NSW government has broken ranks with conservative counterparts in Canberra and the other states by declaring its strong support for the national renewable energy target.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/mike-baird-gives-backing-for-renewable-energy-target-20140528-394ri.html#ixzz33362ukwb

  81. guytaur

    “@latikambourke: Govt’s @M_McCormackMP says the Government hasn’t broken ‘too many’ promises in #Budget2014.”

  82. victoria

    Morning all

    So Palmer had a little dinner with Truffles and the head of Treasury……..

  83. victoria

    Oh and i thought Pyne was the minister charged with getting Palmer on side?

  84. victoria


    Last night Kate Ellis was interviewed by Richo on Sky channel re the education changes.

    As in QT yesterday, Labor is focussing on this issue.

  85. guytaur


    I have no complaints about Labor strategy. An example is Clive Palmer not embarrassed by having his photo splashed across the tabloids in a meeting

  86. victoria


    As you know, i dont trust Clive. I will wait and see what comes out of his meeting with Truffles

  87. guytaur


    Well you saw my tabloid style speculation on reasons for that dinner.

    The serious part is I think Palmer is looking after himself and if he can foster Liberal division he would be pleased

  88. guytaur

    Palmer on 24 now talking dinner

  89. guytaur

    “@latikambourke: Clive Palmer says they talked ‘chopstick diplomacy’ at dinner with @TurnbullMalcolm and Treasury Sec Martin Parkinson last night.”

  90. meher baba

    Is the world going mad? Is Christopher Pyne a Labor plant in the heart of the government?

    Yesterday Tony Windsor metaphorically describes the Abbott government as grave robbers and then Pyne jumps up and merrily confirms that they are in a literal sense.

    If I were trying to advise this mob (and, frankly, they couldn’t pay me enough) I would tell them that the time has well and truly come to abandon a crash through or crash strategy. They need to curl up into a ball and make themselves a very small target.

    All they need right now to complete the picture of a government in chaos is for a few ministers to be forced to resign.

  91. guytaur

    “@latikambourke: Clive Palmer says he and Martin Parkinson talked about Princeton and the IMF.”

  92. guytaur

    “@latikambourke: Clive Palmer – dinner with Malcolm Turnbull wasn’t an official discussion. Says Libs have a ‘charismatic’ leader in @TonyAbbottMHR(Mocking)”

  93. victoria

    Okay so Clive is saying ghat Truffles hasnt changed his budget views

  94. sceptic

    Is there a new PB thread?

  95. guytaur


    Yes looks like it. Missed William’s post.

  96. Bushfire Bill

    I know I’ve made “Fat” jokes about Joe Hockey, but did I just hear Joe Hockey make a “Fat” joke about Clive Palmer?

    (on ABC-24… “He looks like he has more than one meal a night…”)