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Jun 16, 2014

Newspoll: 53-47 to Labor

The latest fortnightly Newspoll shows Labor down a point on two-party preferred for the second poll in a row, and a narrowing of Bill Shorten's lead as preferred prime minister.

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The latest fortnightly Newspoll results, related through Twitter by Stephen Murray, have the Labor two-party lead down from 54-46 to 53-47, from primary votes of 37% for the Coalition (up one), 36% for Labor (down one), 10% for the Greens (down two) and 17% for others (up two). Bill Shorten maintains a lead as preferred prime minister but it has narrowed considerably after a post-budget blowout, down from 45-35 last time to 40-37. Personal ratings for both leaders are down, with Abbott off three points on approval to 30% and up two on disapproval to 61%, while Shorten is down four to 34% and up two to 45%. UPDATE: Full tables from The Australian.

Today also brought a new set of results from Morgan’s multi-mode series, with separate numbers provided for each of the last two weekends’ polling rather than the combined fortnightly result that has been the recent norm. This decision was evidently made to emphasise a disparity between the two, with the earlier result being considerably the worse for the Coalition. For the weekend of June 7/8, Labor’s primary vote lead blew out to 42% (up four on the previous fortnightly poll to 33% (down two points), with the Greens up one to 12% and Palmer United down three to 4.5%. This panned out to huge Labor leads of 60.5-39.5 on respondent-allocated preferences and 59-41 on 2013 election preference flows. For the weekend just past, Labor’s primary vote lead was down to 38% to 36.5%, with the Greens steady on 12% and Palmer United up a point to 5.5%. On two-party preferred, Labor’s leads were 55.5-44.5 on respondent-allocated preferences and 54.5-45.5 on previous election.

Morgan also conducted a phone poll of 637 respondents from Tuesday to Thursday last week which showed an effective disappearance for the net majority in support of repeal of the carbon tax, for which support was down two points since the previous such poll in February to 47%, and opposition up five to 46%. The poll also found 88% believing Australia should reduce carbon dioxide emissions versus only 10% opposed, while a question on global warming had 29% nominating that concerns were exaggerated, 49% selecting “if we don’t act now it will be too late”, and 16% opting for “it is already too late”.

UPDATE (Essential Research): The latest fortnightly rolling average from Essential Research has Labor’s two-party lead steady at 54-46, from primary votes of 41% for Labor (up one), 39% for the Coalition (up two), 9% for the Greens (steady) and 5% for Palmer United (down one). Also featured are semi-regular questions on international relations, climate change and same-sex marriage. The “very important” rating for a close relationship with New Zealand is for some reason up seven points since November to 61%, and that for China is for some reason down eight points to 46%; trust in the Abbott government to handle international relations is down six points to 35%, and distrust is up six to 59%; and 45% are confident that Tony Abbott will do a good job representing Australia overseas versus 50% not confident, which contrasts with the 74% and 18% recorded for Kevin Rudd in October 2009. Belief that climate change is related to human activity is at 53%, down three on the April result, while non-belief is at 35%, up one; and in a result closely reflecting Morgan’s, 38% agree with Tony Abbott’s assertion that Australia and Canada should “take the lead” in opposing carbon taxes and emissions trading schemes versus 39% who disagree. Support for same-sex marriage maintains an upward trajectory evident since the series began in late 2010, with 60% in favour (up three on October last year) and 28% opposed (down three).

William Bowe — Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe

Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, is one of the most heavily trafficked forums for online discussion of Australian politics, and joined the Crikey stable in 2008.

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1,250 thoughts on “Newspoll: 53-47 to Labor

  1. Darren Laver

    [asylum seeker kettling]

    ?

  2. Boerwar

    [victoria
    Posted Wednesday, June 18, 2014 at 8:04 pm | Permalink

    Boerwar

    They are trying to knock out the whole Asada investigation on the basis that the joint investigation with AFL was illegal. They believe they have an excellent chance of achieving thus.

    In my view, James Hird should have been sacked from the get go]

    My view is that it was more just to give him a fully-paid year long holiday in France with study assistance, etc, etc, etc.

    Fair is fair.

  3. Kevin Bonham

    http://kevinbonham.blogspot.com.au/2014/06/turnbull-pm-not-likely-any-time-soon.html

    Turnbull PM: Not Likely Any Time Soon (Poll Roundup)

    Title self-explanatory; current polling aggregate is 53.9% to ALP. It’s been around that level for 5 weeks now barring a one-point temporary rise retrospectively found for last week bacause of a rather smelly Morgan result.

  4. Boerwar

    [Darren Laver
    Posted Wednesday, June 18, 2014 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    asylum seeker kettling

    ?]

    That means that (a) it is not the Greens fault because nothing ever is, and (b) wrongly hinting that the Greens might have a teensy weensy sort of distant hand in anything bad is seeker kettling.

  5. Boerwar

    KB
    I all my tribulations with statistics I never came across ‘smelly’. Could we be talking a false sense of two standard deviations?

  6. poroti

    Boerwar

    I assumed , perhaps wrongly, that your Cucarachas meant the Mexicans. The guy did damn well

    [: Brazil thwarted by Mexico’s goalkeeper Guillermo Ochoa as hosts kept to 0-0 draw]
    http://www.smh.com.au/fifa-world-cup-2014/world-cup-match-report/world-cup-2014-guillermo-ochoa-heroics-for-mexico-deny-brazil-20140618-zsb97.html

  7. Darren Laver

    I thought BW took a dim view of the Dutch (and therefore the Oranje) given their colonial role in Indonesia, where he was born.

  8. Darren Laver

    I don’t understand — I have heard of kettling chips, but not people.

  9. Darren Laver

    Thanks potori for the background.

    Fran Barlow does not use such loaded words accidentally, so I thought it best to clarify what she was implying.

  10. Boerwar

    [Darren Laver
    Posted Wednesday, June 18, 2014 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    I thought BW took a dim view of the Dutch (and therefore the Oranje) given their colonial role in Indonesia, where he was born.]

    I take a dim view of colonialism. But that essentially finished, for the Dutch, in 1950.

    No, I was merely noting that somewhere, sometime, something in me has changed and I am barracking for Australia.

  11. Boerwar

    p
    Ah. Well. We got that wrong. Sorry for garden path experience. I was referring to Les Bleus de NSW in the League game.

  12. Boerwar

    [Darren Laver
    Posted Wednesday, June 18, 2014 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

    I don’t understand — I have heard of kettling chips, but not people.]

    You don’t understand because you are not a Greens. When you do understand, you will realize that you have been wRONg all along.

  13. briefly

    Unless I’m mistaken, the classic “kettle” described the encirclement of the German Army at Stalingrad and then its total destruction by the Red Army. Whatever the situation is actually like on Manus Island, it is not such a kettle.

    With his army trapped inside a ring of Soviet armor, Paulus informed Hitler that he only had 6 days of food for his troops. Similar shortages of fuel, ammunition, clothing and all other materiel needed to sustain an army in the field were now building to a crisis. Morale remained fairly high among the Germans, and they nick-named their position “Der Kessel” – The Kettle. What the world would soon know as “The Stalingrad Cauldron” was no laughing matter. One of the finest armies in history was about to die from starvation, disease and exposure.

    http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/wwii/stalingrad/kessel.aspx

  14. poroti

    Boerwar

    😆

  15. mikehilliard

    Powell is a symptomatic of current Lib think.

    His task – to front UNESCO with the proposal we the LNP want to take a huge dump on the reef & I’m here to tell you all there will be no environmental effect. Obfuscation, twisted data & unsupportable scientific data included.

    Powell is wrong, he knows he’s wrong, he possibly hates himself for what he has to do but will still try & push through.

    Somewhere inside every LNP minister is the same twisted believe that they, despite all the evidence are right.

  16. zoidlord

    AMA President ‏@amapresident 3m

    Australian Medical Association accuses The Australian of promoting smoking http://gu.com/p/3q7qh/tw via @guardian

    Keep at it AMA.

  17. Kevin Bonham

    Boerwar@1055

    KB
    I all my tribulations with statistics I never came across ‘smelly’. Could we be talking a false sense of two standard deviations?

    Yes on my calculations there’s a slightly more than 50% chance that the thing’s a rogue, even after:

    (i) accounting for Morgan house effect
    (ii) increasing estimate of Morgan house effect because of this poll; and
    (iii) allowing this poll to influence the estimate of trend

    (all of which I think are completely proper.)

    And if it’s not a rogue, it’s very probably close to one.

    “Smelly” is transplanted from chess – I’ve noticed quite a few grandmaster commentators refer to a bad position as smelly. I think it works quite well for suspect polls, though the “fishy”-derived lingo is also perfectly adequate.

  18. zoidlord

    @MH/1066

    That’s why the liberals don’t have a science minister, science must make things repeatable to make it true.

  19. briefly

    1067
    zoidlord

    The IPA have argued – at the behest of Murdoch – that tobacco advertising and promotion should be permitted here in the same way as it is in the US. Murdoch’s business would be a direct beneficiary of spending on advertising. He is quite prepared to put his financial interests ahead of the lives of the public. He is an utter disgrace.

    Next time Labor is in power they should legislate the break-up of his media monopolies.

  20. zoidlord

    @Briefly/1070

    Labor tried to do that – Media Laws, but was chastised for it.

    Despite hacking trials in the UK, which allowed this power in the first place.

  21. deblonay

    Briefly…1064
    ____________
    A remarkable account in your post of the winter seige of the Nazi Army by the Red Army at Stalingard,,,reminds me that
    General Montgomery (UK) once said that there were three basic rules for waging war
    I…Don’t march on Moscow
    2…Don’t engage in a land war in Eurasia
    3…Don’t march on Moscow

  22. briefly

    1071
    zoidlord

    Labor made a doomed attempt to regulate content. Far better to attack Murdoch’s domination of the market and then put him right out of business.

  23. Boerwar

    [deblonay
    Posted Wednesday, June 18, 2014 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    Briefly…1064
    ____________
    A remarkable account in your post of the winter seige of the Nazi Army by the Red Army at Stalingard,,,reminds me that
    General Montgomery (UK) once said that there were three basic rules for waging war
    I…Don’t march on Moscow
    2…Don’t engage in a land war in Eurasia
    3…Don’t march on Moscow]

    To which everyone rejoined:

    4…Don’t believe everything Monty says.

  24. briefly

    1072
    deblonay

    Yes, as Napoleon also found….very bad idea. I think Bismarck is also credited with a similar injunction.

  25. Boerwar

    Oh Noes, Not Deja!!!!

    Les Bleus du Nouvelles Galles de Sud sont dans la merde…

  26. briefly

    1074
    Boerwar

    professional jealousy…

  27. Boerwar

    Well, winners are grinners.

    Genghis engaged in a land war in Eurasia and no-one reckons he did a bad job of it.

    Then the Russians reversed it by going all the way to Alaska, so engaging in a Eurasian war did not really hurt the Russians, second time around.

  28. Boerwar

    [briefly
    Posted Wednesday, June 18, 2014 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    1074
    Boerwar

    professional jealousy…]

    Nah. Personally, I rate him as competent but that is about it.

    But I might be prejudiced. The Dutch were the big losers out of Monty’s foolish a bridge too far project.

  29. CTar1

    Fran

    Today I joined the 56 yo group just as you did a couple of weeks ago.

    Does this mean I’m likely to feel an urge to vote for the conservatives? I don’t think so!

    The day started early with me headed north for Sydney A/P – collected from there were an academic who knows about French Submarines, a London Golden Mile senior associate lawyer and a Pommie combination Architect/farmer (his family is interesting as they are mentioned as landowners in the Doomsday Book – no royal honours ever accepted).

    Very ready to sleep.

  30. WeWantPaul

    Boy if NSW invested as much energy in the game as they do sooking and whinging about imaginary penalties they’d be ahead 50:4. They are as big a sooks as the Scott brothers or Eddie and Collingwood.

  31. deblonay

    Briefly 1075
    ______________
    On his deathbed(literally) it’s said that Bismark was asked by his son would the European Alliances help keep the peace.

    He said that they wouldn’t and they would all end in a disasterous war” all due to some damn fool thing in the Balkans”
    amazing prediction made a generation before 1914

  32. zoidlord

    Retweeted by Clive Palmer
    Nine News Brisbane ‏@9NewsBrisbane 7m

    WATCH: Poll shows support for LNP and Labor slipping whilst support for @CliveFPalmer grows. @ShaneDoherty9 http://on-msn.com/1lBZM9c #9News

  33. briefly

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan

    [Beyond his military accomplishments, Genghis Khan also advanced the Mongol Empire in other ways. He decreed the adoption of the Uyghur script as the Mongol Empire’s writing system. He also practiced meritocracy and encouraged religious tolerance in the Mongol Empire while unifying the nomadic tribes of northeast Asia. Present-day Mongolians regard him as the founding father of Mongolia.

    Vilified throughout most of history for the brutality of his campaigns, Genghis Khan is also credited with bringing the Silk Road under one cohesive political environment. This increased communication and trade from Northeast Asia to Muslim Southwest Asia and Christian Europe, thus expanding the horizons of all three cultural areas.]

    Then there was Timur…

    [Timur envisioned the restoration of the Mongol Empire of Genghis Khan. As a means of legitimating his conquests, Timur relied on Islamic symbols and language, referring to himself as the Sword of Islam and patronizing educational and religious institutions. He converted nearly all the Borjigin leaders to Islam during his lifetime. His armies were inclusively multi-ethnic. During his lifetime, Timur emerged as the most powerful ruler in the Muslim world after defeating the Mamluks of Egypt and Syria, the emerging Ottoman Empire and the declining Sultanate of Delhi. Timur also decisively defeated the Christian Knights Hospitaller at Smyrna, styling himself a Ghazi. By the end of his reign, Timur had also gained complete control over all the remnants of the Chagatai Khanate, Ilkhanate, Golden Horde and even attempted to restore the Yuan dynasty.

    Timur’s armies were feared throughout Asia, Africa, and Europe, sizable parts of which were laid waste by his campaigns. Scholars estimate that his military campaigns caused the deaths of 17 million people, amounting to about 5% of the world population, leading to a predominantly barbaric legacy.]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timur

    Compared with these two, the neo-cons are but infants.

  34. Diogenes

    Mod Lib

    In SA, you only need one doctor to “section” a person. Within 24 hours, the detention has to be confirmed by a psychiatrist or discharged.

    When I worked in Emergency, detaining a patient was about the only way I could get someone admitted as they were forced to admit them then.

  35. Darren Laver

    [Les Bleus du Nouvelles Galles de Sud sont dans la merde…]

    Mon dieu ! Where is Fran when you need her!

    les Bleus de la Nouvelle-Galles du Sud…

    Or I would accept “… de Nouvelle-Galles du Sud…”

  36. zoidlord

    GhostWhoVotes ‏@GhostWhoVotes 39s

    #ReachTEL Poll QLD State Primary Votes: LNP 36.6 (-0.4) ALP 32.1 (-0.5) PUP 14.1 (+1.8) #qldpol #auspol

  37. Everything

    That is 82.8, whats the rest, do we know?

  38. outside left

    Well that was a half of bitch slapping. Very ordinary

  39. Diogenes

    Jackson was detained under the Mental Health Act after attempting to commit suicide, according to her husband.

  40. Darren Laver

    [#ReachTEL Poll QLD State Primary Votes: LNP 36.6 (-0.4) ALP 32.1 (-0.5) PUP 14.1 (+1.8) #qldpol #auspol]

    Reachtel produces silly polling at times — why stop at one decimal place?

    Surely this is a record low in terms of major party primaries? Did this occur during the One Nation years in Qld??

  41. zoidlord

    Will Labor and LNP be out of job by next QLD election?

  42. confessions

    [Sorry, but in this case “turning a blind eye” means “condoned”. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-18/navy-chief-says-defence-turned-blind-eye-to-hmas-leeuwin-abuse/5533766 ]

    Pretty evident really.

  43. zoidlord

    Possum Comitatus ‏@Pollytics 51s

    #qldpol Last night’s ReachTEL poll includes undecided voters as a specific category. Once they’re removed (the format you’re all used to)…

    Possum Comitatus ‏@Pollytics 37s

    #qldpol ….the results come in as LNP 39.1, ALP 34.3, Greens 4.6, KAPn 4.3, Others 2.6, PUP 15.1

  44. Diogenes

    In what other sport can you tip someone over and dump them on their heads, possibly paralysing them, and still not get sent off?

  45. Everything

    So
    LNP = 39.1 + (0.2*4.6=0.9) + (0.6*22=13.2) =53.2

    Although I am not sure what the “others” distribution should be when most of it is PUP

  46. zoidlord

    @Mod Lib/1097

    Not if the continued drop rate of 0.4% though.

  47. Everything

    Huh?

  48. zoidlord

    0.4% is drop from previous poll to this current poll.

  49. zoidlord

    Retweeted by sortius
    Telegraph World News ‏@TelegraphWorld 5h

    Global Peace Index: Syria replaces Afghanistan as the world’s least peaceful country http://fw.to/CdsxAjl pic.twitter.com/pV5LqOAHe3

  50. Everything

    You have to be kidding zoidlord!

  51. briefly

    1083
    deblonay

    The Austro-Hungarian empire was obviously internally unstable by the end of the 19th century and, having failed to reform and modernise itself following the revolutions of 1848, would come under pressure to fragment at some time. The events in Sarajevo in 1914 were an expression of parochial fragmentation, but there were other similar pressures in Hungary too. Where Germany had been unified and modernised by nationalist forces, it must have been obvious to Bismarck that these same forces would more likely break Austria apart.

    Germany was allied to a politically archaic, militarily antiquated, and economically backward power. An inherently unstable partner, moreover Austria had a history of conflict with Russia, which itself was allied to France and Britain. It must have been very obvious to Bismarck that if anything went wrong in the Austro-Hungarian provinces – either around the Black Sea or in the Balkans – then conflict between Germany and Russia could easily ensue and all hell would break loose.

    German planning was predicated on exactly such a situation. While Prussian planners have blamed for “starting the war”, essentially they’ve been faulted for being right about the strategic situation they faced. They simply failed to anticipate how the war would be fought…and were not at all unique in that.

  52. briefly

    [1088
    zoidlord

    GhostWhoVotes ‏@GhostWhoVotes 39s

    #ReachTEL Poll QLD State Primary Votes: LNP 36.6 (-0.4) ALP 32.1 (-0.5) PUP 14.1 (+1.8) #qldpol #auspol]

    Voters have realised that Incomes Will Always Be Lower Under A Liberal Government and a gravitating to othe rparties, including to the LNP split-off PUP.

  53. confessions

    There was a High Court ruling on AS today, in particular as it relates to PNG, not that you’d know it from comments here.

    Oh what a difference a change of govt makes. When was the last time we saw scores of commenters here hand-wringing about AS? Not since the election by my take.

    One good thing about the advent of a Liberal govt federally: application of hysterical language such as liberal use of the word ‘rendition’ has been seriously dialed back.

  54. Raaraa

    It’ll be interesting to see either of the major parties having to form a minority government.

  55. Darren Laver

    [One good thing about the advent of a Liberal govt federally: application of hysterical language such as liberal use of the word ‘rendition’ has been seriously dialed back.]

    Yes, funny that.

  56. Darren Laver

    And ask yourself what a nonsense certain advocates have become:

    They won their battle: High Court in effect says Malaysia unsafe, PNG safe.

    That is the sort of perverse outcomes you get when you try to make up policy through legal challenges for individual cases, rather than looking at the bigger picture.

    With legal “friends” like these, asylum seekers need no enemies.

  57. zoidlord

    AccuWeather.com ‏@breakingweather 1m

    Powerful thunderstorms will impact 65 million people from the Plains to the mid-Atlantic: http://ow.ly/yaGk7

    Storms/Floods/etc/Tornados still going crazy in USA.

  58. Everything

    confessions:

    The ruling was no great surprise. The federal government was always able to undertake offshore processing.

    The great legal victory was the demolition of the Malaysian rendition, for exactly the reasons why rendition is a very apt term. The High Court prevented the ALP from sending vulnerable people to another country without protections.

    The High Court was protecting vulnerable people, and the ALP supporters here criticised this (how are you ruawake, by the way?).

    David Manne is a hero of mine, and I have wished him the best of luck screwing the Cambodian plans as well, although he told me there is precious little chance of success these days since the ALP simply reworded the legislation to remove any need to protect human rights and give the Minister carte blanche to do whatever s/he wants*

    * are you guys proud of your party for this?

  59. zoidlord

    @Mod Lib/1111

    Why do you think I do not like Off shore processing, creates a legal mind field, let alone other issues it creates.

  60. Everything

    It does indeed create a legal mind field.

    It also creates a moral mind field, but confessions appears to have penetrated it.

  61. zoidlord

    * Costs billions of dollars in both Legal and operating costs of Death Centers.

    * Ties up our legal system with court cases, and our political system.

    * Moral, Ethical, Lack of Human Rights, And down right pathetic.

    * It’s like we are going back into time with Slavery, and the treatment of the Disabled in Asylum Centers in USA in the early 1900’s.

  62. Everything

    Hear, hear, zoidlord!

    🙂

  63. Atticus

    Juan Cole, Professor of History at the University of Michigan, makes the following contention that the US and its Allies should keep their military out of Iraq’s and Syria’s current sectarian conflicts.

    [For the US to be bombing Sunni towns all these years later on behalf of Mr. al-Maliki would be to invite terrorism against the US. ISIS is a bad actor, but it so far hasn’t behaved like an international terrorist group; it has been oriented to achieving strategic and tactical victories in Syria against the Baath government and the Shiite Alawis, and in Iraq against the Shiite Da’wa Party government. But it could easily morph into an anti-American international terrorist network. The US should avoid actions that would push it in that direction. So far the Baath regime in Syria is winning against the Sunni radicals. The Shiite majority in Iraq can’t easily be overwhelmed by them. Local actors can handle this crisis.]

  64. Diogenes

    Qld seem to have been watching Pepe in the World Cup. They also seem to be extremely keen on giving the ball back to NSW.

  65. Everything

    Who won?

  66. WeWantPaul

    Full credit to the ref for winning it for NSW.

  67. muttleymcgee

    State of Origin. What a farce! What drivelling, puerile nonsense!

    A puling, ranting commentator rabbits on with a load of rubbish while the screen shows that one player needs three of the opposing team to tackle him. When one man tackles the opposing player he is penalised. All the while there is niggling, off the ball nastiness which is ignored by the White Brigade, applauded by the commentariat.

    No wonder Tony Abbott was elected PM of Australia when this rubbish, complete with adverts for Tom, is touted as top-level sport.

  68. Everything

    Finally….does this mean we can stop talking about the SOO for another 8 years or so?

  69. Raaraa

    Well we’ve lost it 🙁

  70. victoria

    muttleymcgee

    I take it you are not a fan of rugby league?

  71. Oakeshott Country

    Possibly the worst game of RL I have ever seen but after 8 years who cares – the BLUES WON.

  72. WeWantPaul

    [Finally….does this mean we can stop talking about the SOO for another 8 years or so?]

    Nope Qld has to win in three weeks time and get it back next year no letting the cockroaches think they got this one by anything other than luck and a really really dodgy referee call.

  73. Everything

    What was the dodgy referee call? I haven’t watched…

  74. NathanA

    Mitchell Pearce was the difference between the two sides

  75. Oakeshott Country

    Queenslander obviously dropped the ball as he was crossing the line – excellent call by ref.

  76. WeWantPaul

    [What was the dodgy referee call? I haven’t watched…]

    The ball was called out on the full from the kick off and penalty to NSW when it had clearly hit a NSW player.

    [Queenslander obviously dropped the ball as he was crossing the line – excellent call by ref.]

    The try was 50:50 could have gone either way but like the ref all night it went to NSW.

  77. Centre

    About time.

    It’s usually NSW who are the better team but lose the game, this time it was the reverse.

    *still counting the money from backing them to win the series before game 1 god bless them.

  78. muttleymcgee

    “I take it you are not a fan of rugby league?”

    Your first clue was ……?

    Even soccer, which fails to utilise the two defining attributes which have enabled homo sapiens to attain dominance over the rest of the animal world, namely a larger brain and an opposing thumb (neither of which is utilised in soccer) has more appeal than this mindless, run run run CRASH, run run run CRASH, run run run CRASH, run run run CRASH, run run run KICK! nonsense.

    Yuck!!

  79. Oakeshott Country

    you kicked on the 5th tackle -fool

  80. Psephos

    [are you guys proud of your party for this?]

    Yes.

  81. Darren Laver

    [“I take it you are not a fan of rugby league?”
    Your first clue was ……?
    Even soccer, which fails to utilise the two defining attributes which have enabled homo sapiens to attain dominance over the rest of the animal world, namely a larger brain and an opposing thumb (neither of which is utilised in soccer) has more appeal than this mindless, run run run CRASH, run run run CRASH, run run run CRASH, run run run CRASH, run run run KICK! nonsense.
    Yuck!!]

    Grow up.

  82. Centre

    Um OK, so what’s happened to the avatars and post numbers?

  83. Everything

    Well at least you are consistent in your position, Psephos, no matter how much I disagree!

    There are others here who pretend to only want the boats to stop, and then when they do, they find some other goalpost to help their team “win” as they see it (“stuff the victims, whats the score”).

  84. zoomster

    muttley

    Sorry, a large brain is very useful in soccer.

    Only last Sunday, one of the local senior coaches (in conversation with my husband) attributed the star qualities of one player to his ‘brains and feet’ – and they both agreed that foot skills without brains aren’t terribly useful.

  85. Everything

    I think its you Centre…..

  86. Darren Laver

    Mod Lib and his legal mates have had it their way, asylum seekers are safely in PNG rather than that violent country, Malaysia.

    You know it makes sense.

  87. guytaur

    Centre

    Check Go to desktop version bottom of screen. Shows up like a link

  88. Everything

    The good fight even the small battles…

  89. guytaur

    At least no Queensland flag on the harbour bridge this year

  90. victoria

    muttleymcgee

    As an aussie rules fan, i have never been able to embrace RL. Each to their own i guess

  91. zoomster

    My son’s bon mot re tomorrow morning’s game …

    “I’m praying for a victory for the Socceroos. I think it’s highly improbable that God exists, but it’s more likely than us beating the Netherlands…”

  92. Centre

    Guytaur

    Cool

    Everything

    Of course it’s me 😛

  93. bemused

    victoria@1143

    muttleymcgee

    As an aussie rules fan, i have never been able to embrace RL. Each to their own i guess

    AFL makes watching grass grow an attractive pastime.

  94. Fran Barlow

    CTar1

    Welcome to the 56 club. I hope you had a fabulous day. It sounds as if it was most stimulating.

  95. Everything

    zoomster:

    very nice! 🙂

  96. Libertarian Unionist

    And that is the first time an iPhone has been used to photograph NSW holding the SoO trophy… Apple may no longer exist next time it happens

    BTW, I don’t watch RL much anymore, but was the refereeing just a tad one sided?

    BTW2, Is Paul Gallen the grubbiest player in league atm? He’s seems to be the easiest to dislike.

  97. stevieboy

    Former Socceroos coach Pim Verbeek says Australia have no chance against his native Holland. Fell even more confident of an Australian victory now. 😀

  98. Centre

    Paul Gallen was NSW’s best player on the night.

  99. guytaur

    Rugby League has a problem.

    Tackling that lets players lift legs with tackled player risking a life in a wheelchair.

    That has to change as with any workplace that is an unacceptable safety risk.

  100. Centre

    The game was so tough with emphasis on very strong defence from both sides.

    I think NSW really missed the three quarter skills of the Morris brothers more than QLD missed Cronk.

    Josh Reynolds did not play at all well, NSW were lucky to get away with it but if you backed them…you don’t give the money back :twisted.

  101. bemused

    guytaur@1152

    Rugby League has a problem.

    Tackling that lets players lift legs with tackled player risking a life in a wheelchair.

    That has to change as with any workplace that is an unacceptable safety risk.

    I agree, but I also don’t want them to become a bunch of sooks like AFL players.

  102. Everything

    What were the odds of a Blues win before game 1, Centre?

  103. muttleymcgee

    “Sorry, a large brain is very useful in soccer.

    Only last Sunday, one of the local senior coaches (in conversation with my husband) attributed the star qualities of one player to his ‘brains and feet’ – and they both agreed that foot skills without brains aren’t terribly useful.”

    wow

  104. guytaur

    bemused

    You want to see sooks see the diving in the soccer

  105. taylormade

    Shorten definitely punching above his weight.

  106. Centre

    Around $3.50 Mod Lib

  107. Everything

    Yeee HAAA!

  108. guytaur

    “@justinbarbour: It was under @theqldpremier’s watch that we lost the Origin. When will he resign?”

  109. zoidlord

    Now I wonder where Coalition Party got that GP Tax idea from, the UK!

    UK citizens will be charged 10 pounds to visit GP NHS:
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/18/10-charge-to-visit-gp-nhs

  110. muttleymcgee
  111. Centre

    If I was an AFL supporter, I wouldn’t be so upset that their code resembles ballerina in comparison but that they were the first to introduce the State of origin concept yet failed to capitalise on it.

  112. Libertarian Unionist

    [If I was an AFL supporter, I wouldn’t be so upset that their code resembles ballerina in comparison but that they were the first to introduce the State of origin concept yet failed to capitalise on it.]

    Yes, but one of the other states’ parochialism holds a candle to that of Queensland.

  113. guytaur

    @whitehouseostp: The makers have arrived! Giving a final shine to a biodiesel car on the @WhiteHouse driveway. #NationOfMakers http://t.co/VNnjh889zG

  114. rossmcg

    Will NSW winning the origin series affect Campbell newman’s popularity?

  115. zoidlord

    Retweeted by Rob Oakeshott
    Catherine Zengerer ‏@Catherine_Zen 55m

    Economic think tank @ceda_news says our economy at risk if we fail to act on #climatechange #auspol @RobOakeshott1 http://www.thewire.org.au/storyDetail.aspx?ID=11658

  116. daretotread

    Briefly

    Had a neighbour who seemed to think he was a direct descendent (possibly the main inheritor) of Timur. His name perhaps not surprisingly was Tim.

  117. guytaur

    @MWhitbourn: NSW Supreme Court Chief Justice Tom Bathurst relaxed about filming and tweeting in court http://t.co/dBK1xr9rnR #auslaw via @smh

  118. swamprat

    zoidlord @ 1162

    [UK citizens will be charged 10 pounds to visit GP NHS:
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/18/10-charge-to-visit-gp-nhs%5D

    I liked this as a good summary of the positions LNP v ALP/Green (I hope)

    [We either let our NHS be trashed by the privatisers and cutters, or we defend a properly funded, publicly run, universal system that is free at the point of use]

    However, the English NHS does not apply to Scotland which has always (since 1948) had its own NHS. I doubt there would be any chance of a co-payment in Scotland.

  119. mimhoff

    [“@justinbarbour: It was under @theqldpremier’s watch that we lost the Origin. When will he resign?”]

    This never happened when Anna Bligh was Premier!

    On the other side, Iemma, Rees, Kenneally, and O’Farrell never saw Origin wins. So congrats to Mike Baird.

  120. WeWantPaul

    [Yes, but one of the other states’ parochialism holds a candle to that of Queensland.]

    As a Qld / WA person i think both my states are furiously parochial. I think QLD RL was treated very very badly by the NSW mob and State of Origin was their chance to get revenge and they have taken it quite often. The WA and Victoria rivalry got watered down a lot with the VFL pretending to be an AFL and the Eagles first side effectively being a WA side (maybe one day the AFL will be a national game and not just a poorly expanded VFL but it seems unlikely).

  121. sprocket_

    watched the NRL Sate of Origin tonight. Sadly, it is a shadow of what it used to be. The athleticism and skill of the players is lacking woefully, and the game is quite frankly boring.

  122. briefly

    [1169
    daretotread

    Briefly

    Had a neighbour who seemed to think he was a direct descendent (possibly the main inheritor) of Timur. His name perhaps not surprisingly was Tim.]

    Was he Uzbek?

  123. guytaur

    Wow the Julian Assange story about to heat up again.

    Media conference about new evidence soon Tony Jones informs

  124. victoria

    WWP

    Last Saturday, Sydney Swans played Port Adelaide at the SCG. It was a cracker of a game.

    It sure looks like a national game to me

  125. briefly

    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/596358/Timur/7272/Assessment

    [Timur’s most lasting memorials are the Timurid architectural monuments of Samarkand, covered in azure, turquoise, gold, and alabaster mosaics; these are dominated by the great cathedral mosque, ruined by an earthquake but still soaring to an immense fragment of dome. His mausoleum, the Gūr-e Amīr, is one of the gems of Islamic art. Within the sepulchre he lies under a huge, broken slab of jade. The tomb was opened in 1941, having remained intact for half a millennium. The Soviet Archaeological Commission found the skeleton of a man who, though lame in both right limbs, must have been of powerful physique and above-average height.

    Timur’s sons and grandsons fought over the succession when the Chinese expedition disbanded, but his dynasty (see Timurid dynasty) survived in Central Asia for a century in spite of fratricidal strife. Samarkand became a centre of scholarship and science. It was here that Ulūgh Beg, his grandson, set up an observatory and drew up the astronomical tables that were later used by the English royal astronomer in the 17th century. During the Timurid renaissance of the 15th century, Herāt, southeast of Samarkand, became the home of the brilliant school of Persian miniaturists. At the beginning of the 16th century, when the dynasty ended in Central Asia, his descendant Bābur established himself in Kabul and then conquered Delhi, to found the Muslim line of Indian emperors known as the Great Mughals.]

  126. guytaur

    victoria

    Yep AFL in more places nationally than rugby. Alice Springs last place to have Premiership Points decided.

  127. zoidlord

    Sweeping changes to Social Security was introduced today too:
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/18/sweeping-social-security-changes-introduced-to-parliament?CMP=soc_567

    This is Austerity cuts right here people.

    Make your voice heard with the senate.

  128. briefly

    One thing really stands out from the histories of conquest in Asia: nothing lasts. Even the greatest soon give way.

  129. bemused

    Centre@1164

    If I was an AFL supporter, I wouldn’t be so upset that their code resembles ballerina in comparison but that they were the first to introduce the State of origin concept yet failed to capitalise on it.

    When was that?
    They used to have this interstate contest where the “Victorian” team, comprised of the best players from all states took on the remnants of the other states. What a joke that was.

  130. Libertarian Unionist

    [As a Qld / WA person…]

    Oh yes, in my maroon haze I forgot all about WA. But as a point in case, trust me, we do it better!

  131. WeWantPaul

    [It sure looks like a national game to me]

    I wasn’t arguing that it wasn’t played nationally, just that it isn’t a national game. It is ruled in Victoria by Victorians who still get snooty when the rules they make for themselves don’t work quite like they wanted. When the final is played somewhere other than in Victoria perhaps then it will be a national game.

  132. Everything

    As per The Princess Bride: never start a land war in Asia.

    Good night bludgeroonies.

    Comisseroonies, Queenslanderoonies….just remember, its only a game.

  133. WeWantPaul

    [Oh yes, in my maroon haze I forgot all about WA. But as a point in case, trust me, we do it better!]

    I’m only a Qld’er three nights a year (SoO nights) so tonight I might have to agree with you, but most of the year I’d say here on West Coast we do it better.

  134. swamprat

    zoidlord

    [Sweeping changes to Social Security was introduced today too:
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/18/sweeping-social-security-changes-introduced-to-parliament?CMP=soc_567%5D

    I hope the ALP will take a more aggressive defence of the poor and vulnerable than the UK Labour Party (ANA the Red Tories).

  135. victoria

    WWP

    Finals are played elsewhere. It is only the Grand final that is required to take place af the MCG.

  136. briefly

    [1180
    zoidlord

    Sweeping changes to Social Security was introduced today too:
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/18/sweeping-social-security-changes-introduced-to-parliament?CMP=soc_567

    This is Austerity cuts right here people.]

    Kevin Andrews will be remembered as the Minister who tried twice to attack the incomes of ordinary Australians – first with Work Choices and now by gutting welfare. Let’s hope he fails twice too.

  137. bemused

    victoria@1177

    WWP

    Last Saturday, Sydney Swans played Port Adelaide at the SCG. It was a cracker of a game.

    It sure looks like a national game to me

    The AFL has worked hard to infect NSW and Qld. But not really getting a lot of traction considering the effort they have put in.

    Tough selling an inferior product.

  138. swamprat

    WWP

    [I’m only a Qld’er three nights a year]

    There could be treatments available. It’s obviously not chronic, yet!!

  139. zoidlord

    @Briefly/1189

    I like one comment in the Guardian, DoleChoices.

  140. victoria

    bemused

    You do realise that there was over 40,000 spectators at the Sydney swans game on Saturday? Do you know what the average Rugby league game gets?

    Anyway what does it matter. You dont like the game. Why bother having anything to say about it. Leave it to those who appreciate it.

    Night all

  141. WeWantPaul

    [WWP

    I’m only a Qld’er three nights a year

    There could be treatments available. It’s obviously not chronic, yet!!]

    I can still remember the school bus on SoO day when King Wally ruled, we had 1 girl, fiona, from Canberra who was loyal enough to support NSW – oh what fun.

  142. WeWantPaul

    [Tough selling an inferior product.]

    The product is clearly superior, League only has the three So O games the tests and even the GF are pretty much nonevents.

  143. swamprat

    WWP

    I can well imagine the boorish behaviour!!

    SoO is the World Cup of RL!!!! Two provincial teams who have to play each other three times to get a “series”!!! hahaha

  144. WeWantPaul

    [SoO is the World Cup of RL!!!! Two provincial teams who have to play each other three times to get a “series”!!! hahaha]

    It is the very best League has to offer.

  145. swamprat

    WWP

    [It is the very best League has to offer.]

    well, yes, it is.

  146. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    The AFL is the VFL propped up by other state’s money. When the grand final is played in another state, it will maybe AFL can be classed as a national competition.

    Of course the FAA provides the only real national football competition in Australia. This is appropriate as it is real football. :devil:

  147. zoidlord

    Retweeted by Lady Van Badham
    Torin Peel ‏@torin 5m

    92% of respondents in today’s Fairfax poll believe Tony Abbott should call a double dissolution election. Bring it on. #auspol

    Wow that’s a big support for Double Dissolution, even if you include any Margin of Error.

  148. briefly

    [1192
    zoidlord
    Posted Wednesday, June 18, 2014 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    @Briefly/1189

    I like one comment in the Guardian, DoleChoices.]

    …very apt!!

  149. Kevin Bonham

    Everything@1097

    So
    LNP = 39.1 + (0.2*4.6=0.9) + (0.6*22=13.2) =53.2

    Although I am not sure what the “others” distribution should be when most of it is PUP

    You are forgetting it is OPV in Queensland, so not all the preferences flow. The 2PP would be over 54 to LNP, unless the PUP preferences favoured Labor which is the big unknown.

    Something I would add from Tasmanian state election experience is that ReachTEL polls that include an undecided option (like this one) seem to behave differently to those that don’t. In our case the ones that included the undecided option skewed pro-Liberal and anti-ALP compared to the others. So I would like to see polling from someone else before being satisfied the LNP is doing quite this well.

  150. Centre

    Victoria

    Rugby League easily defeats the AFL on all TV ratings.

    Bemused

    I’m pretty sure they had VIC V SA in state of origin to decide state of ballerina supremacy before the origin concept in Rugby League.

  151. guytaur

    Goodnight,

  152. briefly

    [1200
    zoidlord

    Retweeted by Lady Van Badham
    Torin Peel ‏@torin 5m

    92% of respondents in today’s Fairfax poll believe Tony Abbott should call a double dissolution election. Bring it on. #auspol

    Wow that’s a big support for Double Dissolution, even if you include any Margin of Error.]

    Voters hoping for a DD and the chance to throttle Abbott.

  153. swamprat

    Pooff, the Dragon

    [Of course the FAA provides the only real national football competition in Australia. This is appropriate as it is real football.]

    There are many games of “football”.

    The Soccer version is younger than AFL. Regardless, I think it is a very arrogant, big money institution. Where there is big money there is always corruption.

    It has no exclusive rights to “football” more than than any other over-hyped game.

  154. Centre

    Puffy

    I agree.

    A truly national competition should hold its grand final in different major cities.

  155. Kevin Bonham

    zoidlord@1200

    Retweeted by Lady Van Badham
    Torin Peel ‏@torin 5m

    92% of respondents in today’s Fairfax poll believe Tony Abbott should call a double dissolution election. Bring it on. #auspol

    Wow that’s a big support for Double Dissolution, even if you include any Margin of Error.

    Not a real poll – just more stackable opt-in junk. The Margin of Error on all such is at least 100%. 😉

  156. zoidlord

    Libs playing games by blaming PUP + ALP.

    Retweeted by Mathias Cormann
    Michael O’Brien ‏@michaelobrienmp 1h

    Greens, PUP + ALP obstructionism threatens Vic rail upgrade funding: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/state-election-2010/palmer-and-greens-like-economic-troglodytes-20140618-zsdp2.html … via @theage #springst

  157. zoidlord

    @Kevin/1208

    LOL, I like the Newman comment on polls, “I don’t comment on union push polls” 😛

  158. leftwingpinko

    I don’t think the AFL grand final should move from the MCG. The MCG is the biggest ground in Australia and the spiritual home of Australian Football. The FA cup final doesn’t travel around England.

    Imagine a Richmond Carlton Grand Final in Sydney… there are no less than 3 impossibilities with that scenario.

    As for SoO. Up yours Queensland. You may be parochial, but you are also b*llshit artists of the worst kind. The last time I checked a map Bowraville, Minto, Tenterfield and countless other places are actually in New South Wales.

    And to say the refs did a poor job with a straight face after that fiasco of game one just demonstrates that there is no limit to your delusions.

    Enjoy Campbell Newman. He is all you have now.

  159. Fran Barlow

    Zoomster

    [“I’m praying for a victory for the Socceroos. I think it’s highly improbable that God exists, but it’s more likely than us beating the Netherlands…”]

    For better or worse, I disagree. There’s a very remote chance that a combination of anomalies large enough for Australia to beat the Netherlands might occur, especially if the Netherlands is as sure as your son that it can’t happen.

    There’s simply no chance that God as described could exist, and anyone who can believe that God does exist, can easily believe in an Australian victory.

  160. WeWantPaul

    [And to say the refs did a poor job with a straight face after that fiasco of game one just demonstrates that there is no limit to your delusions.]

    LoL

  161. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    The FA Cup is a knock-out competition with the Final held in London, the capitol of the country.

    The AFL Grand Final should be held in Canberra.

  162. leftwingpinko

    [The AFL Grand Final should be held in Canberra.]

    Yeah, at Manuka Oval.

  163. Tom the first and best

    1215

    No, The Australian Antarctic Territory, near the southern tip.

  164. swamprat

    zoidlord

    [Greens, PUP + ALP obstructionism threatens Vic rail upgrade funding: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/state-election-2010/palmer-and-greens-like-economic-troglodytes-20140618-zsdp2.html … via @theage #springst]

    The 15% bonus if selling public assets is not a policy for infrastructure, its purpose is to destroy any and all publicly owned assets.

    the “infrastructure” part is a fig leaf/a unicorn.

    The LNP is saying the Commonwealth will NOT invest in even the most important works for the nation, if the State does not privatise something!!!!

    It’s class war of the most blatant type.

    I am sure the ALP will, as increasingly common, mumble, grumble, confuse and stumble and pass the bills with a few of its own fig leafs and unicorns.

    Though i hope not

  165. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    Melbourne is the spiritual home of the AFL because it is still the VFL. In its current form it will not be long before there will be no Victorian teams in the Grand Finals.

    Currently the AFL have (other) state teams playing Victorian suburban and regional teams. The states that do not have to share their best players around a number of clubs will start routinely beating the Victorian teams and the GF will be more often played between other state teams, The AFL i.e. will be most displeased with this development,

    The Draft will cease to exist at some stage through court challenge against restraint of trade.

    That is when it will all go pear-shaped very quickly.

  166. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    Leftwingpinko,
    They could set up barrages on the Lake and play there.

  167. rossmcg

    One of the few things sport has going for it in these days of rampant money making are a few traditions.

    That’s why the FA cup final is played at Wembley, why the Melbourne cup is on the first Tuesday in November, we have test cricket at the MCG on Boxing Day and in Sydney at New Year. and the afl grand final at the MCG on the last Saturday in September.

    Is the NRL grand final ever player anywhere other than Sydney?

    Other sports move the big games, the Super Bowl and soccer’s champions league final are two that come to mind. That is their way of doing it and I doubt that the participating teams give a rats about the venue.

    I don’t know what tradition saw Rugby League state of origin played in Melbourne in the 1990s and Bledisloe Cup games in Hong Kong … Probably the money making tradition

    State of origin rugby league returns to Melbourne next year by the way.

  168. rossmcg

    Puff

    Are you channelling the late and great abc broadcaster george grljusich?

    George useful to regale us in WA at length about how the how the AFL structure was a breach of the trade practices act.

    Of course he was right but who is going to challenge it? A lot of people from media magnates down the the doormen at the he footy clubs have a very keen interest in ensuring that the boat is not rocked.

    And as for the AFL being a case of State teams v Local Victorian teams, have a look at the club lists. Some of the best players in the interstate teams are from Victoria and vice versa.

  169. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    Australia is the only FIFA affiliated country that afaik uses the bastardisation of a league decider, the Grand Final. That the FAA adopted this money-making foolishness from the AFL angers me. The idea that a league competition is decided by a separate tournament is crazy. It is good for money and television but it is unjust and false.

    That the FAA follow this model is shameful, particularly as the winner of the finals tournament get to compete in the World Club Championship for national league winners, and gets about $1mill in appearance fees for competing. Just because we were a colonial outpost and could make our own rules does not mean we can today. It is about time the World Club Championship organisers told Australia to get its head out of its behind and send the team that finishes at the top of the League, otherwise known as the League Champions to the world competition.

    The AFL have ripped people and clubs off for decades with their ‘Finals’ joke

  170. teh_drewski

    State of Origin failed in the AFL because Victorians only give a toss about NSW, and NSW doesn’t play AFL.

    South Australians hate the Power/Crows (cross out depending on allegiance) more than they hate Victorians; ditto for the Perth teams.

    Everyone Else vs. Collingwood might do well though.

  171. lefty e

    First double dissolution trigger.

    Come on Tony – spend your poltical capital.

    Whats that? Youre too scared of becoming the BIGGEST LOSER IN AUSTRALIAN HISTORY BY LOSING OFFICE WITHIN ONE YEAR?

    Im not surprised! youre really the worst PM ever. And I suspect you know it.

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-greens-challenge-tony-abbott-to-call-double-dissolution-election-after-climate-bill-voted-down-again-in-senate-20140618-3ad14.html

  172. teh_drewski

    Puff – the World Club Championship is for continental champions, not national champions. I don’t believe an Australian team has been there since Australia joined Asia for football purposes.

  173. teh_drewski

    Correction – Adelaide United competed in 2008 as the 2008 AFC Champions Cup runners up.

  174. rossmcg

    Puff

    MLS in the US has a playoff format to decide the champion team

  175. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    Rossmcg
    The national leagues of all the European countries thought they had it all sewn up by restricting the number of players from other European countries who could play in their club teams. This made sure local clubs employed local players.

    It suited everyone just fine, until it didn’t. Along came Mr Jean-Marc Bosman.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosman_ruling

    As sure as eggs, the AFL will have its own Bosman moment. It has come close already. Some young bloke is going to be bought by Perth when he lives in Sydney or vice-versa and he is going to ask why he should leave his family, girl or boyfriend, aging parents, or move his kids out of school when there is a perfectly good club around the corner desperate to keep employing him.

  176. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    rossmcg
    Yes, well, the Yanks would. That kind of proves my point.

  177. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    Things may have changed with us joining Asia, but I assume our Champion still goes off to play the Asian clubs to try to qualify.

  178. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    I vote for Everyone Else of all codes v Collingwood. 🙂

  179. swamprat

    lefty

    [First double dissolution trigger.

    Come on Tony – spend your poltical capital.]

    haha. I don’t think Abbot has any real interest in BEING a PM. It was just the aim to get there.

    I think if he “got” a knighthood (and enough money to be a rich north shore Sydney bludger) he would be happy to leave.

    The damage to the original, and fast fading, ideal of a Fair country, is not done by Abbot, he is just a silly puppet.

    The corporate elite that have bought the LNP (and some members of the ALP) are the real powers in Australia now.

    Our country desperately needs an electoral system that allows REAL alternatives to the corrupt corporately owned LNP and the sheltered workshop which is the ALP.

  180. zoidlord

    Oil prices would be a concern for the Coalition Party goverment.

    Yale University ‏@Yale 42s

    RT @YaleGlobal: Iraq in meltdown, #oilprices rise, China is largest foreign investor while the US sends troops: http://tinyurl.com/mp27wvr

  181. deblonay

    Why would anyone want to hold the Grand final in Canberra…an over large(nice) country town?
    Might as well hold the grand final in Townsville or Towoomba
    or Ballarat

    The MCG is after all the one great stadium in the nation of world standard….only in Marvellous Melbourne…the national sport capital btw

  182. Otiose

    Nett_News++™ by @Otiose94 http://bit.ly/1nAtjp1 #abbott, Goes All in w’ the #Senate, by @rowe_david © http://bit.ly/1jyN0su

  183. zoidlord

    Google, Facebook legal to be intercepted:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-27887639

    Reuters Iran ‏@ReutersIran 2h

    Saudis give apparent warning to Iran: don’t meddle in Iraq http://reut.rs/1lU6tIy

    fukumimi之助 ‏@fukumimi 5h

    Korean owned LINE comms being intercepted by Korean intelligence? No surprises there. One reason I don’t use it.

  184. stevieboy

    Puff, the A-League Champions earn a spot in the Asian Champions League (as does the Premiers if they’re not the same team) and the numbers show the finals system is popular. The fear is as Australians won’t accept a league without finals and that interest would wane towards the end of the season when the title face comes down to one or two teams. The numbers show the finals are popular with the decider doing the biggest number of any game on FTA and pay and 50k attending the big game. Might not be traditional but it is helping to sell the game in this country and it’s working.

  185. mexicanbeemer

    The MCG is the best place for the ALP grand final with all its history, it adds to the significances of winning the premiership.

    Interstates are able to win the right to a home final and due to the regular traveling, the interstate sides are more than able to adjust to playing on the G in the granny.

  186. mexicanbeemer

    Zoidy Of course the Saudis would but the irony of it as they are financial backers of groups like ISIL and Al Queda

  187. zoomster

    Brilliant game so far….

  188. Dan Gulberry

    [Rugby League easily defeats the AFL on all TV ratings.]

    wRONg.

  189. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    In honour of the Socceroos courageous performance against The Netherlands, I am going to stop roughing up our Aussie Rules fans. 🙂

    At least for a while. :devil:

  190. Oakeshott Country

    So far this year:
    Total RL T V (FTA & Cable) viewers 52,031,000 Average 477,000
    AFL total 50,714,000 Average 437,000

  191. mexicanbeemer

    Really, the average NRL game is watched by far fewer than the average AFL game, just how often is an NRL game played in front of 40 or 60k

    Not often.

  192. AussieAchmed

    The LNP is saying the Commonwealth will NOT invest in even the most important works for the nation, if the State does not privatise something!!!!

    Its Abbott saying to the Sates “Sell your siht to my corporate mates and sponsors or else I’ll not give you any Fedeal money!!”

    It’s blackmail

  193. psyclaw

    Rua n Nappin

    Any of the Common Law (eg negligence, from which duty of care derives) can be legislated away, in part or full as the parliament sees fit.

    Statute Law (by Parl) trumps Common Law (“judge made” or “case law”)