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Jun 19, 2014

BludgerTrack: 53.5-46.5 to Labor

In lieu of any substantial shifts on voting intention to report this week, a closer look at Palmer United's recent dip in the polls.

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The latest batch of polling from Newspoll, Morgan and Essential has had the effect of confirming the shift recorded in last week’s BludgerTrack result, in which a Morgan phone poll drove a slight weakening in Labor’s post-budget lead. Consequently, there are only very slight shifts in this week’s primary vote and two-party preferred totals, with the latter moving to the Coalition by 0.3%. On the seat projection, the Coalition gains one seat each in Queensland (which has swung implausibly heavily over recent weeks) and Western Australia, but drops one in Tasmania off a particularly bad showing in this week’s Morgan breakdowns. Newspoll has furnished the leadership ratings with a new set of data, resulting in both leaders copping substantial hits on net approval. Bill Shorten is back to where he was prior to a post-budget bounce, and there is also a substantial move in Tony Abbott’s favour on preferred prime minister, although this largely represents a correction after the post-budget results caused the trend line to overshoot the individual data points.

The biggest of last week’s shifts to have been confirmed by the latest result is a two-point drop for Palmer United, which had risen from a base of around 4% before the Western Australian Senate election to over 7% in the upheaval following the budget. It would have dropped still further if I had included the 3% rating the party recorded in this week’s Newspoll, according to The Australian’s report. However, Palmer United results are not featured in Newspoll’s reporting, and taking advantage of sporadic information that appears in newspaper reports runs the risk of introducing a bias, in that the numbers are more likely to be provided in some circumstances than others. I have thus maintained my usual practice of deriving a Palmer United result from Newspoll by calculating a trend result of the party’s share of the total “others” vote from all other pollsters, and applying that share to Newspoll’s “others” result. So far as this week’s Newspoll result is concerned, this has the unfortunate effect of giving Palmer United a vote share over double that reported by The Australian.

There are other reasons why Palmer United’s recent form is of interest, so I provide below a close-up of the party’s polling trend with the most recent Newspoll excluded. While the trend line commences its descent in the middle of May, observation of the individual data points clearly indicates that the party was still at its record peak until the very end of June, but that it slipped substantially thereafter. Mike Willesee’s report on the party for the Seven Network’s Sunday Night, which aired on June 8, may have had something to do with this.

William Bowe — Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe

Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, is one of the most heavily trafficked forums for online discussion of Australian politics, and joined the Crikey stable in 2008.

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1,296 thoughts on “BludgerTrack: 53.5-46.5 to Labor

  1. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    Well done Socceroos.

  2. CTar1

    Iraq Everlasting

    We are still stuck in 2003, and it isn’t (only) George W. Bush’s fault.

    It’s the default position of liberals to lay the blame for this apocalyptic legacy—a failing Iraq, unchecked international jihadism, a neo-isolationist America—on the Bushies, who deployed cooked evidence and outright lies to sell the country on the war and then executed their own strategy with breathtaking recklessness and incompetence. The Iraq War cheerleaders on the right, whether think-tank-funded neocon armchair generals or flag-pin-bearing bloviators at Fox News, are also easily identifiable culprits in this story. So are those reporters and editors in the mainstream press who at best failed to vet and at worst jingoistically inflated Bush-administration propaganda about Saddam’s nonexistent weapons of mass destruction.

    http://nymag.com/news/frank-rich/iraq-war-2014-6/

  3. BK

    Good morning Dawn Patrollers.

    Government pettiness on display.
    http://www.smh.com.au/national/public-service/bargaining-push-to-make-public-servants-work-nine-minutes-longer-a-day-20140618-zsd07.html
    Ashby v Slipper. Game over. No result. Lot in a legal sense anyway. Dirty money wins.
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/james-ashby-drops-sexual-harassment-suit-against-peter-slipper-20140618-zsd63.html
    The powerful doctors’ union describes Abbott’s $7 co-payment as an ideological toy.
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/ama-wants-gp-fee-gone-20140618-3ae4p.html
    Nothing to worry about – Abbott will give the responsibility to another “conservationist” Can-Do Newman!
    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/conservation/australia-on-notice-over-great-barrier-reefs-environmental-damage-20140618-zsdts.html
    A NSW Liberal MP member of the IPA writes that Brandis and the IPA have got it wrong on 18c.
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/why-george-brandis-and-the-ipa-are-wrong-on-racehate-laws-20140618-3adlq.html
    And to think that the disgusting dinosaur Bullock has supplanted Louise Pratt in the Senate! In her final speech she implores the government to get rid of religious chaplains from our schools.
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/antigay-chaplains-driving-children-to-selfharm-says-outgoing-labor-senator-louise-pratt-20140618-3adyv.html
    George Williams looks at how crucial Clive Palmer’s Senators will be.
    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/clive-palmer-crucial-for-government-in-senate-20140618-zsd1y.html
    Another issue facing Senate blockage. What did Dee Madigan say? That’s right, “The budget is shit!”
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-and-greens-set-to-block-coalition-plans-to-freeze-child-care-benefits-20140618-3act2.html
    Alan Jones could go down to Bendigo for a guest spot on local radio. That would fix it.
    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/fear-and-loathing-in-bendigo-over-multimilliondollar-mosque-20140618-zsdw4.html
    The Federal Court will allow TV coverage of the upcoming Hird/Essendon directions hearing.
    http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/james-hird-essendon-hearing-a-first-for-tv-20140618-zsdr3.html

  4. poroti

    Something else to join HoJo’s “Budget Emergency”. The “Medicare Emergency”

    [Out of 11 countries observed in the report, Australia spends the least on health as a percentage of gross domestic product. Data from 2010 shows we spent 8.9 per cent of GDP on health, slightly below the OECD average.]

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/health/australian-health-system-as-bad-as-us-on-some-indicators-study-20140618-zsawm.html#ixzz351ktdwm9

  5. BK

    Section 2 . . .

    Julian Burnside proposes some alternatives for dealing with asylum seekers.
    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/asylum-seekers-can-be-managed-with-cheaper-and-more-humane-options-20140618-zscza.html
    Now we’ll see what David Johnston’s made of!
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/teenage-recruits-suffered-horrific-abuse–at–hmas-leeuwin-naval-base-20140618-3acu5.html
    Help me with what Pat Campbell is on about here. Is it the foreign aid announcement?
    http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/federal-politics/cartoons/pat-campbell-20120213-1t21q.html

    I don’t know what has happened with the Fairfax websites lately. The number of new cartoons available for viewing has been severely reduced.

  6. confessions

    Morning all.

    Thanks for the links BK. The cartoons disappearing is not good. I’ve come to rely on my daily fix of pics. 🙁

  7. shellbell

    [Mr Slipper said: ”Any suggestion by Mr Ashby that the Full Court of the Federal Court found that the allegations of harassment had occurred is wholly incorrect. The Full Court decision meant that Mr Ashby could bring his allegations before the court to be tested, something which he has now declined to do. I am pleased to be so completely and publicly vindicated]

    The last sentence is a stretch but everything else is 100% correct

  8. CTar1

    BK

    [Is it the foreign aid announcement?]

    Definitely

  9. poroti

    CTar1

    A very interesting character in The Independent’s “100 Moments” series.

    [Guerrilla in the mist – a great German military maverick outwits the British again

    There was only one German general in the First World War who managed to occupy British territory.

    ….Indeed, Lettow-Vorbeck would have a special clause in the Armistice of November 1918 specifically devoted to the arrangements for the safe conduct of himself and his men at the end of the war……….Lettow-Vorbeck’s “army” comprised some 14,000 men…… but it meant that disproportionate imperial allied forces – perhaps 300,000 strong – would be tied down.]
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/world-history/history-of-the-first-world-war-in-100-moments/a-history-of-the-first-world-war-in-100-moments-guerrilla-in-the-mist–a-great-german-military-maverick-outwits-the-british-again-9547030.html

  10. lizzie

    This is the “efficient” model that Dutton admires:
    [But the US, which ranked last overall, was marked down on equity and efficiency. It spends far more on health than any other OECD nation, but delivers medium-quality outcomes for the average user.]

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/health/australian-health-system-as-bad-as-us-on-some-indicators-study-20140618-zsawm.html#ixzz351tGS45I

  11. sprocket_

    Mark Latham assesses the TURC evidence from last week

    [The public record is strikingly clear. There is not a single document from the 1990s that incriminates Gillard. On the available paperwork, she provided valid legal advice and paid for her home renovations via personal cheques. By the standards of his police training, Smith has come up empty-handed.

    Documents aside, what verbal evidence has come before the commission concerning Gillard? Like a parade of ageing Oompa Loompas, three impish men – Ralph Blewitt, Wayne Hem and Athol James – claimed to remember cash being exchanged in and around her Melbourne home.

    Indeed, the nature of their recollections is remarkably similar.

    In the witness box, the three veterans struggled to recall other events and details from 20 years ago. Under cross-examination, they were unclear about the amount of money involved and why it had been handed over.

    None of them accused Gillard of knowing where the cash had actually come from. Rather, the commission was left with a vague impression of money floating around the house – claims that cannot be proven or disproven.]

    http://www.afr.com/p/opinion/there_is_no_trail_that_leads_to_g7WFnIxImpEjP2bZmclIcI

  12. victoria

    morning all

    Great effort by the socceroos. Brilliant goal by Cahill!!

  13. Fran Barlow

    BK

    Burnside’s proposals on asylum policy are a reasonable step forward. Well done him, as usual.

  14. sprocket_

    An important rebuttal from the Kouk to the SmearStralian habit of playing the man

    [The editorial then moves on to defend the industry data that was the trigger for the Kerr story – data that no one other than those working at The Australian have seen. I have asked to see the data so I can enhance my knowledge of the issue but so far, have not been able to view it. The secrecy that surrounds this industry data – which was the basis of the story – is enlightening. I suspect the data are shonky and The Australian is embarrassed to release them for fear they will raise questions about the survey sample and its timing, among other things.
    ]

    http://thekouk.com/blog/tobacco-fact-deniers-are-at-it-again.html#.U6IIaMa26f0

  15. Fran Barlow

    I’m nobody’s expert on soccer, but it seems to me that the unkindest evaluation of their result against the Netherlands ought to be “exceeds expectations”.

    Zoomster’s son was clearly wrong about the relative plausibility of the existence of God or the possibility of an upset win. 54 minutes in, it was on.

  16. shellbell

    Australian Soccer reviewed by the UK Telegraph

    [They’re passing the ball nicely, neat stuff. Highly impressive given the talent pool available football being a minority sport there, I mean, its popularity below AFL, rugby league, rugby union, cricket, fooling around in the sheepdip, being in Neighbours and moving to the UK to work in Shepherd’s Bush; and coming just above book learnin’.]

  17. confessions

    The govt was never going to call an election, no matter how much it may want the CEFC abolished.

    https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/24270689/abbott-baulks-at-poll-trigger/

  18. victoria

    KJackson will be giving further evidence today at the TURC.

    Of course, all she has managed to tell the commission so far, is that all important paperwork were conveniently destroyed in a flood. Mind you other union people have said that the offices did not get flooded.

    Also bank statements can’t be provided because they were destroyed. But seriously, why cant copies of same be requested from the bank. In light of the cost of this commission, obtaining copies of bank statements, is a very small cost in the scheme of things, And why did the The commissioner not ask her why she did not get copies of same.

    In the same breath, she says that she withdrew cash from the account and handed cash amounts to members at the meetings. Really? Also she managed at the end to suggest Shorten involved in branch stacking.

    KJackson is as pure as the driven snow and everyone else is crooked. What a surprise

  19. victoria

    JBishop being interviewed on ABC radio. Have to say that she is probably the best minister in this hopeless govt.

  20. lizzie

    Fran

    You’d think that perhaps in their eagerness to save expenditure, the Coal might consider Burnside’s suggestions.
    But apparently money can only be “saved” when in pursuit of their ideology.

  21. AussieAchmed

    The LNP is saying the Commonwealth will NOT invest in even the most important works for the nation, if the State does not privatise something!!!!

    Its Abbott saying to the Sates “Sell your siht to my corporate mates and sponsors or else I’ll not give you any Federal money!!”

    It’s blackmail

  22. confessions

    victoria:

    JBishop has been one of the better performers so far.

  23. victoria

    confessions

    Yep she has

  24. lizzie

    For those Bludgers who still believe that Kathy is as white as snow, here are a few facts on which a light should be shone.

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/thomson-8-the-hsu-family,4170#.U6H8Xnx07m0.twitter

  25. lizzie

    confessions

    “Performer” is the right word. She’s been competing with Turnbull for comedian of the year.

  26. victoria

    lizzie

    JBishop is the best of a very bad bunch

  27. Socrates

    Morning all. Well done Socceroos, a gallant effort against a great opposing team. Kudos to Tony Abbott for his inspiring words of support to the team in our hour of need. No hang on, the dork didn’t say anything, still hiding from the media! I wonder if Abbott even knew the game was on?

    I think PM Credlin will soon need to appoint a new media spokesperson. Abbott one is not up to the job.

    Bad luck Qld in State of Origin too. Still, eight in a row is not bad.

    In other news the government is not going to force a DD on us. How magnanimous! 🙂
    Have a good day all.

  28. lizzie

    [The World Heritage Committee has delivered a harsh verdict on the Abbott Government’s failure to protect the Great Barrier Reef tonight, voting to keep alive their threat to list our Australian icon as “in danger”.

    The Committee expressed its serious “concern and regret” with the Abbott Government’s plans for Australia’s environment in the deliberation of its decision regarding the Reef, including the decision by Tony Abbott and Greg Hunt to allow the dumping of 3 million cubic metres of dredge spoil in Reef Waters at Abbot Point – despite the Government’s best efforts to have those words removed.

    At its annual meeting, the Committee also reiterated its concern about the handover of federal environmental approval powers to the Queensland Government, labelling it as “premature”.]
    http://t.co/IElPVbTtPe

  29. lizzie

    victoria

    I watch her in QT. She has a nasty side.

  30. victoria

    lizzie

    KJackson is either delusional or believes she is going to be protected. It is extremely laughable and quite ridiculous that the Commission do not have copies of bank statements relating to accounts she used as part of her role in the HSU. We have to believe that nothing is backed up on discs or computer files.

    The Counsel assisting expected Bruce Wilson to remember stuff from over 20 years ago, and yet KJackson does not have to produce one shred of documentary evidence for stuff in this century

  31. victoria

    lizzie

    Of course she has a nasty side. The whole coalition do. Remember she did meet with Blewett when they were trying to discredit JGillard.

    Blewett is hardly what you would call a person of good character.

  32. confessions

    NDIS trials are starting up in WA and the govt is launching an advertising campaign to promote the two trial sites.
    https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/24271264/ndis-trials-go-ahead/

  33. confessions

    lizzie:

    I think JBishop has been the more competent of the front bench. It isn’t saying much simply because of the depths of incompetence in the ministry.

  34. BK

    I have a feeling that Kathy Jackson will need to do more than flash her ample cleavage when cross examinations start after August.

  35. guytaur

    Good Morning

    Julian Burnside brings some sanity into the debate.

    His point about processing in Indonesia totally stops the drowning argument.

    Thus we see the cheaper practical humane solution. Labor needs to rethink this instead of letting the LNP cruel inhumanity be Australia’s values.

  36. lizzie

    victoria

    [Remember she did meet with Blewett when they were trying to discredit JGillard.]

    I’d forgotten that.

    confessions

    They say that JBishop listens to her department, unlike many other ministers.

  37. zoomster

    fran

    after the second goal, I asked my son if he was thinking of converting….

  38. poroti

    I wonder if it is one of “our” companies ?

    [African firm is selling pepper-spray bullet firing drones

    South Africa-based Desert Wolf told the BBC it had secured the sale of 25 units to a mining company after showing off the tech at a trade show.
    “We cannot disclose the customer, but I am allowed to say it will be used by an international mining house…..firm says it can also be armed with dye-marker balls and solid plastic balls.

    The machine can carry up to 4,000 bullets at a time as well as “blinding lasers” and on-board speakers that can communicate warnings to a crowd]

    http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-27902634

  39. lizzie

    [@Vic_Rollison 10h
    Everything you need to know about Australia’s mainstream media you can find in the absence of reports about Kathy Jackson and James Ashby.]

  40. victoria

    Tweet from the AFR

    [Founder of #tech news website @delimiterau, @renailemay, joins staff of @Greens @SenatorLudlam. #ausbiz #auspol afr.com/p/blogs/rear_w…]

  41. victoria

    guytaur

    Report on the front pages of the Oz and SMH indicate Australians are fighting for the insurgents.

    Also front page of The Age has story on mosque being approved in regional city of Bendigo here in Victoria. The residents are up in arms.

    Can you see how little concern Australians have for asylum seekers coming from this part of the world in this current climate

  42. victoria

    guytaur

    i should add that residents at the Bendigo council meeting last night said that if muslims want a mosque, they can go back to the Middle east and build one.

    Many Australians dont have much of an appetite for asylum seekers coming from this part of the world. That is the reality

  43. victoria

    Tweet from Michael Pascoe

    [@TheKouk poor sad Oz – without a Labor govt to campaign against, it finds itself without purpose. Desperate to refight even old skirmishes]

  44. lizzie

    victoria

    One of the muslims in favour of the mosque did say that many protesters were from “out of town” and he had not met with the prejudice.

  45. lizzie

    Uh-oh!

    [The Guardian ‏@guardian 7m
    File containing asylum seekers’ data downloaded in China, Russia and Egypt: http://gu.com/p/3q7pa ]

  46. guytaur

    victoria

    Education is the solution. Those radicalised muslims going to fight are Australian born not imported. Its why its so shocking to many.

    Demonisation has borne its fruit.

  47. victoria

    lizzie

    Could well be the case. The attitude I have encountered from most people i come into contact with, do not like the idea of a mosque in their area. These are people who are very caring and progressive, but the idea of a mosque is a step too far for them. That is the reality i experience

  48. Kevin Rennie

    My fifth (and for the moment final) post on political donations in Australia: Nathan Tinkler & Co: Political Donors Anonymous tracks some of the shadowy gifts.

    “Is anyone apart from corruption commissions monitoring the laws? Is anyone enforcing them?

    Are the laws adequate to ensure transparency, honesty, accountability and enforcement?”

    Looking forward to 4 Corners cash-for-favours program next Monday.

  49. guytaur

    victoria

    Irrational fear. No calls to prayer for instance. I live not far from a mosque and it has less impact on the suburb than a church does.

  50. poroti

    There are also many people who would jump up and down at the prospect of a happy clapper church going up in the neighborhood.

  51. lizzie

    victoria

    I can understand that.

    On the flip side, we have Ed Husic who is married to a Catholic.

  52. guytaur

    “@Simon_Cullen: The Federal Government has just introduced legislation to increase the tax on petrol”

  53. guytaur

    Most of the real objections to both mosques and church’s are to do with noise and parking.

    Once they are dealt with there is usually very little objection,

  54. poroti

    Kevin Rennie

    [Strange how everything and everyone is connected in this shadowy world]
    As we are seeing in NSW.

  55. guytaur

    “@davrosz: Isn’t it incredible that every document that could possibly clear Jackson has been lost, and only those that incriminate her remain? #turc”

  56. victoria

    guytaur

    Is that tweet meant to be ironic?

  57. guytaur

    victoria

    That or sarcastic I think

  58. lizzie

    [Paul Barry ‏@TheRealPBarry 1m
    IRONY ALERT! The Australian to take @ABCmediawatch to the ACMA over OUR tobacco story. No, really!

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/editorials/big-public-broadcasting-smokes-out-same-targets/story-e6frg71x-1226959141620 …]

  59. zoomster

    victoria

    The seat of Murray – featured here only a few days ago – is one of the most conservative in the country, but its main city, Shepparton, is host to a substantial number of refugees, including many from the Middle East and the Sudan.

    My son played soccer for one of the NE junior teams, and we had to travel to Shepp for training and home games – it was great to see Moslem girls (with every limb bandaged and wearing head scarves) in the team, and one of our best players was Sudanese.

    It was obvious that the Shepp community had (by and large) embraced them.

  60. zoidlord

    Retweeted by sortius
    Schadenfreude George ‏@GeorgeBludger 1m

    LNP way: “The bill removes the requirement for financial planners to act in the ”best interests” of their clients” http://www.smh.com.au/business/government-urged-to-stay-strong-on-fofa-reforms-20140618-3ae44.html#ixzz352KURThe

  61. zoidlord

    AMA President ‏@amapresident 1m

    This co-payment belongs on the scrap heap. It will hurt our patients, especially sickest and most vulnerable http://bit.ly/1spfiPs #auspol

  62. victoria

    zoomster

    Very heartening to hear

  63. kakuru

    [It was obvious that the Shepp community had (by and large) embraced them.]

    That’s great to see. But I bet if they wanted to build a mosque there, the response may be somewhat different.

  64. lizzie

    It seems that some Imams who preach at the mosques are part of the trouble, backward-looking. There have been examples in Oz and UK.

  65. BK

    [There are also many people who would jump up and down at the prospect of a happy clapper church going up in the neighborhood.]
    And I would be one of them!

  66. citizen

    [guytaur
    Posted Thursday, June 19, 2014 at 9:21 am | PERMALINK
    Most of the real objections to both mosques and church’s are to do with noise and parking.

    Once they are dealt with there is usually very little objection,]

    The same thing has happened in Canberra where a tiny group has mounted an ACT Supreme Court challenge to the granting of planning approval. Otherwise there is little or no objection to the proposal.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-21/act-planners-too-chummy-with-gungahlin-mosque-developers/5337622

  67. poroti

    The kiwi tory PM scored an invite PMBO would never get.

    [ (Bill)Clinton suggested a meeting at a French restaurant. Mr Key had Caesar salad and Mr Clinton had salmon.
    They talked about Iraq and what New Zealand could do in Africa with its agricultural expertise]

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11276821

  68. WeWantPaul

    [Most of the real objections to both mosques and church’s are to do with noise and parking.

    Once they are dealt with there is usually very little objection,]

    Lol

  69. guytaur

    WWP

    Do you live near a mosque or church?

  70. kakuru

    BK:

    [ There are also many people who would jump up and down at the prospect of a happy clapper church going up in the neighborhood.

    And I would be one of them!]

    Me too! Luckily my local council pulled the plug on a Hillsong mega-church, due to community resistance.

  71. bemused

    victoria@23

    JBishop being interviewed on ABC radio. Have to say that she is probably the best minister in this hopeless govt.

    I would have to agree with you there.
    She lacks the studied nastiness of some and the sheer stupidity of others.

  72. guytaur

    “@jessedorsett: #BREAKING Northern Land Council withdraws nomination of Muckerty Station in NT as site for Australia’s first nuclear waste dump. @abcnews”

  73. kakuru

    [ Most of the real objections to both mosques and church’s are to do with noise and parking.

    Once they are dealt with there is usually very little objection,]

    Yep, those angry folks at Camden in far western Sydney are certainly concerned about parking. These are the same folks worried about refugees clogging up traffic on the freeways.

  74. guytaur

    kakuru

    Not real objections. That is objection to freedom of religion through fear of some people within the religion

  75. shellbell

    I have the Armenian Evangelical Church a Malcolm Blight torpedo kick from my door.

    This is not surprising when Jo Hockey is my federal member, Gladys Berejiklian is my state member and Vache Kahramanian was a recent candidate at a council election.

    Place is as quite as a mouse.

  76. adrian

    As someone who doesn’t normally come into contact with the Daily Telecrap, I was amazed by the standard of journalism on display when having a coffee far away from my usual place.

    A prominent story, backed up by an Editorial proclaimed that viewer anger over bias (left wing of course) on the ABC was rising. Shock horror!!! I thought, but on what basis was this startling piece of investigative journalism produced??

    Why a whole 12, yes 12 complaints to ACMA (?), none of which were upheld!! Surely this spells the end of the credibility of the ABC.

    I think this Murdoch shit sheet operates on the basis that its readers only get as far as the headlines.

  77. kakuru

    guytaur, I’d object to a Hillsong mega-church for the same reason I’d object to a Wahhabist mosque. I take exception to any radical or ultra-conservative religious movement, whether its Christian or Muslim. I have no objection to churches or mosques per se.

  78. poroti

    A pic from the NT News of Tones and Obama where Obama more openly expresses his feeling towards our PM 🙂

    http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2014/06/13/1226952/994347-87e339ea-f293-11e3-aad6-e5c45a718cb3.jpg

  79. markjs

    BK will be very happy with the HC decision on school chaplains funding…

    As will many of us 🙂

  80. guytaur

    kakuru

    No your use of the word megachurch betrays you. Megachurch is noise and parking

  81. Raaraa

    I wouldn’t be surprised if some of those nutjobs from Q Society are part of the objectors in Bendigo. They’re based in Altona and have nothing to do with Bendigo.

  82. guytaur

    Jackson in the box

  83. kakuru

    Megachurch means Hillsong-style authoritarianism and Christian fundamentalism.

    http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/hillsong–the-church-with-no-answers/2007/08/03/1185648145760.html

    Not on my watch.

  84. Raaraa

    Most of the real objections to both mosques and church’s are to do with noise and parking.

    Once they are dealt with there is usually very little objection,

    I have to agree to this. And it’s only the minority in the congregation too who chose to park their car inappropriately, usually those who show up really late or can’t be arsed walking further.

    Not too different from a shopping centre on a big sale day with not enough parking.

  85. Jackol

    Hmmm. Ruling against the Fed government being able to fund chaplains is presumably the whole thorny question of the Feds being able to direct funding to State-level entities, and probably brings the whole constitutional issue of the Feds funding local government road programs etc into urgent focus.

    In the end it just means the State governments will have to be dealt in as the recipients of any funding.

    I don’t see this as a good thing, but I don’t see it preventing idiocy like the chaplains program … the Feds just have to give the money to the States with promises that the money will be used for what the Feds want it to be used for.

    ie if Pyne really just wants to fund Christian chaplains in schools, he will find a way to do it. It’s just that the current way of doing it isn’t ok according to the High Court, apparently.

  86. guytaur

    @chrisberg: magnificent win in the chaplains case – here’s what @simon_breheny said about it https://t.co/NrnzMuALNW and me http://t.co/hUfr3qgBov

  87. kakuru

    Yep, it’s official. High Court has struck down the school chaplaincy program.

  88. lizzie

    Weird.

    [Andrew Casey ‏
    Tension in #turc hearing rooms is such that one person has now hired personal security to sit with them while observing proceedings]

  89. guytaur

    Jackol

    An interesting question can the Federal Government continue to blackmail the states over funding unless they it in a certain way.

    Coag coud really become a meeting of equals on issues instead of the current dominance of the Feds.