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Only one new poll this week, that being the reliable weekly result from Essential Research, and it’s a similarly dull tale from the BludgerTrack poll aggregate. Things are exactly as they were last week on both two-party preferred and the seat projection, and there are no new figures this week for leadership ratings. The only changes worth observing are a Coalition seat gain in New South Wales that’s cancelled out by a loss in South Australia, and an ongoing descent for Palmer United since a peak three weeks ago. However, it should be noted that Labor’s two-party lead would have been down slightly if not for a methodological adjustment relating to Galaxy’s polls. The last three polls from Galaxy have been conducted according to a new methodology which includes an online panel component in addition to phone polling, but I had hitherto been applying bias adjustments based on the historical record of the old phone-only polling. It appeared that this was causing the Coalition vote to be over-adjusted upwards, so Galaxy’s bias adjustments will henceforth be calculated according to the pollster’s deviation from the results produced by the model – which so far at least is essentially no deviation at all.

William Bowe — Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe

Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, is one of the most heavily trafficked forums for online discussion of Australian politics, and joined the Crikey stable in 2008.

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1,753 thoughts on “BludgerTrack: 52.1-47.9 to Labor

  1. lizzie

    Hide your eyes, folks. “The Life of Pyne” is featured in the Australian Weekend Magazine.

  2. zoidlord

    Retweeted by Josh Taylor
    Stilgherrian ‏@stilgherrian 40m

    “Political advisers wag the dog”, writes @feed_the_chooks http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2014/08/09/political-advisers-wag-the-dog/1407506400

  3. AussieAchmed

    Daily Telegraph sorry for using Boston bombing image to mock Mike Carlton http://gu.com/p/4vt8h/tw

  4. Trog Sorrenson

    Apologies in adavnce for a long comment, but hang in there, there’s an animal story!

    “In his fine Australian poem Sheep Killer, Ernest G. Moll tells of a rogue sheep dog driven by a destructive secret agenda. While it is under the watchful eye of its owner, it controls its natural instincts and conceals its real intentions. When he trusts it off the chain one night, it runs amok among his flock and creates deadly havoc.
    When the carnage is over, the owner reprimands himself that he should have seen all the indications of what would happen if the dog was given its chance. We are given a striking portrait of an animal whose behaviour had betrayed all the warning signs – the shifty ‘glint that sprang/Into his eyes’, the way he stands ‘stiffly’ when under close observation ‘as though he kept/His body back from where his thoughts leapt/Ahead’.

    But the owner carelessly ignored all the indicators — with disastrous consequences.

    At that stage, it becomes painfully obvious that the animal had cleverly cloaked its actual motives:

    ‘cunning (had been) the muzzle on desire.’

    There are disturbing parallels to be seen in Tony Abbott concealing his dark side in the run up to the September election.”

    This is an except from the prophetic “The Polishing of Tony Abbott” by Clint Howitt on 25th May 2013.

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/the-polishing-of-tony-abbott,5355

    (I had a border collie once that was a sheep killer. He really had the eye, total focus, tireless, a great worker, but he was mad, and you could never take your eye off him when around livestock.
    Ended up he hung himself from his chain before I got around to shooting him.)

    Abbott, government and negotiation

    The government is disfunctional, has failed to get it’s budget passed, and is unlikely to do so because of it lacks the requisite political capital and a culture of negotiation.

    This is because Abbott’s sheep killer style of leadership doesn’t include negotiation.

    It’s worth examining why this is the case.

    Lenore Taylor’s piece http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/08/everyone-has-a-piece-of-advice-for-tony-abbott-some-of-it-could-even-help is instructive here:

    In the final sitting weeks of the winter session, Tony Abbott held an unusual meeting of his full ministry during which he was asked by a junior minister how the government was intending to deal with the widespread view that it had broken election promises. The prime minister’s response was forceful and absolute. The government had not broken a single promise, he insisted. There was nothing to deal with, no case to answer.

    This is a profound insight into Abbott’s personality, revealing an absolute faith in his own rightness and an incapacity to acknowledge reality. The scary thing is that he actually believes this himself, and it lies at the root of the madness that was identified by Keating and others in describing the Mad Monk,
    and is directly relevant to his negotiating skills or lack thereof.

    The art of negotiation lies in understanding the the situation of the other party, but if we deny the reality of our own situation, have no self awareness, how can we possibly understand others at a level necessary for successsful negotiation?

    Constitutional implications
    If the Abbott government fails in budget and other legislative negotiations, for cultural or whatever reasons, then the government fails as a functional entity and it seems to me there is a constitutional issue.
    Options include a double dissolution, blocking of supply or whatever, or the Governor General could step in and make certain demands of the government.

    Now Governor General General Sir Peter Cosgrove doesn’t strike me as the Sir John Kerr type, but if he received a forceful request from the Australian people maybe he couldn’t ignore it. he would at least have to ask for advice.

    Maybe – and I’m not a constitutional lawyer – the people could petition the GGSSP to request the Government to frame a Mini Budget, or get the Queen to give Abbott a smack or something.

    e.g. Circulate a Getup style petition to the Governor to the effect that “We the people are alarmed at the rejection of the goverment’s budget, the resulting political and economic gridlock etc etc and would like the government to have another go at getting the budget right.”

    Should put the cat amongst the pigeons, or the unsupervised collie amongst the sheep!

  5. zoidlord

    Clive Palmer ‏@CliveFPalmer 3m

    Comments by @JeffSeeney in News Ltd papers today are again untrue & fictitious. He’s desperately trying to save his bacon #auspol #polqld

  6. CTar1

    News from South Africa seems to indicate that ‘Blade Runner’ is going to be clipped and caged.

    Being South Africa I’ll be surprised if he gets anything less than 18 years.

  7. zoidlord

    Retweeted by sortius
    Greg Jericho ‏@GrogsGamut 2m

    In which @jonkudelka explains the “it’s just like an envelope” metadata metaphor “Pushing The Envelope” http://www.kudelka.com.au/2014/08/pushing-the-envelope/

  8. bemused

    lizzie@1330

    Everything


    Why did Gillard’s father get a 10-pound Pom subsidised return journey to Australia in the 1960s?


    I thought you were more ethical than to make up stuff.

    Mad Lib has apparently finished her big cry and has returned in a rage, ready to spray false accusations everywhere.

  9. lizzie

    [Brandis cited the use of metadata in tracking Jill Meagher’s killer and the busting of paedophile rings in Britain as evidence of the good in this. He is correct to say both relied on metadata. More importantly, both relied on warrants.]

    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/2014/08/09/address-unknown/1407506400?utm_content=PANTHEON_STRIPPED&utm_medium=PANTHEON_STRIPPED&utm_source=PANTHEON_STRIPPED&utm_campaign=PANTHEON_STRIPPED#.U-V7quOSyTx

  10. KEVIN-ONE-SEVEN

    GG – Hah. Great line for Labor in Question Time: Would the Honourable Minister just give me the metadata!

  11. AussieAchmed

    For all the faux hand wringing and wailing about the welfare disaster left by Labor, for all the demonization of the unemployed and people on DSP some facts emerge

    $131bn was spent last year on welfare and yes, it will grow. But that’s because both inflation and population growth inherently lead to inevitable ‘year by year’ growth in nominal government expenditure (and also that of private businesses).

    But welfare funding as a percentage of government expenditure has fallen over the past decade. And the overwhelming reason social security spending is expected to grow at all over the next four years (and beyond) is because of the increase in the age pension. Take those away and social security spending as a proportion of the total government expenditure remains quite flat

  12. CTar1

    Trog

    [Abbott’s sheep killer style of leadership]

    Excellent description.

  13. CTar1

    GG

    [Now the real secret is out. Kind Kevin and I were once very close, bonding in a deeply emotional way. When I was crying on his shoulder, Kevvie, his mellow eyes overflowing with empathy, reached out to me. He cared for me in my moment of need and I answered his affections. A beautiful relationship was born, but then hidden – Gareth-and-Cheryl-style – by the macho veneer of Canberra politics.]

    Another 😆 .

  14. zoidlord

    newmatilda ‏@newmatilda 6m

    A stunning disassembling by Liz Conor of Eric Abetz’ breathtaking ignorance on breast cancer. http://bit.ly/1oxU6i7

  15. zoidlord

    This was hidden from me, thankfully found it:

    http://www.itnews.com.au/News/388169,us-canadian-courts-rule-against-warrantless-metadata-collection.aspx

    “Over the weekend, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that police had violated the country’s constitution by forcing an internet service provider to release information on Matthew David Spencer, without a warrant.”

    I believe ASIO and our police have been violating our system.

  16. KEVIN-ONE-SEVEN

    Great line in the new drama “Manhattan” about the making of the A-Bomb. A young scientist says he’s got qualms about making an atomic weapon. And his superior says: “But don’t you want to sit with Newton and watch the apple fall?”

  17. AussieAchmed

    Abbott tells Putin to be “as good as his word” and I splutter into my coffee.

    Really? There’s that pot/kettle thing again

  18. zoidlord

    EFA ‏@efa_oz 2m

    RT @Steve_Dalby iiNet has no business use for IP addresses. It is BS for LEAs to say we already keep them for our own purposes. We don’t.

  19. zoidlord

    http://justsecurity.org/11520/eleventh-circuit-warrantless-cell-tracking-calls-metadata-programs-question/

    “Today, the Eleventh Circuit rejected the exceedingly common law enforcement practice of warrantlessly tracking suspects’ physical location using cell phone tower data. The opinion, United States v. Davis, is both welcome and overdue. Defendants who have and will be physically tracked without a warrant have new legal support to challenge that surveillance. Additionally, because the case involved stored cell site data, Davis undermines the government’s legal arguments that other warrantless “metadata” collection practices are constitutional.”

    So the dogs are trying their hand here in Australia.

  20. Libertarian Unionist

    Bludgers might like to read this, on Obama’s attempts to rope the vulture capitalists:
    http://www.gregpalast.com/the-vulture-chewing-argentinas-living-corpse/

  21. BH

    [One wonders with the Hedley Thomas/Gillard stuff whether Gillard is just waiting for the RC to be over to slap around a few defamation writs.]

    I wish, I wish. It’s a Newspoll weekend. Abbott and His Incompetents are having a bad week so Murdochia has a QC pre empt the Commission’s decision and gets its best smear merchant to write it up. We deserve better.

    lizzie My OH was a 10pnd Pom (make that Welsh kid travelling on parents’ passports). So many who came that way have made a great contribution and we needed them after WW2. It’s those who may have gone back at some stage and then returned on the same scheme that gets up people’s noses I think.

    Used our Bird Guide again this morning. Bless it. A lovely teal duck landed on the dam and then sat in the garden for ages. We thought they paired for life so it was strange to see one on its own.

  22. CTar1

    BH

    [A lovely teal duck landed on the dam and then sat in the garden for ages.]

    A couple of them make a very decent Sunday lunch.

    Get out your .410.

    👿

  23. lizzie

    BH

    Never believe anything you read about the fidelity of bird pairs 😀

  24. Trog Sorrenson

    I guess Newspoll polling will have finished by now,

    Can’t wait.

  25. Boerwar

    BK

    [The Child Sexual Abuse Royal Commission sits in Sydney today and probes the Marist Brothers.
    http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2014/08/07/abuse-inquiry-hearings-resume-sydney/%5D

    I was just having a bit of a squizz to see what Bludger Treasures I had missed over the past week when I came across BK’s gem, see above.

    It is refreshing to see the probers probed.

    I would keep a close eye on that duck BK. All is not always as it seems.

  26. Steve777

    Of course Tony Abbott was a beneficiary of Gough Whitlam’s reform to abolish University fees. His daughter is also a benificiary of fee-free tertiary education, but that’s another matter.

  27. Boerwar

    The Blinkies were scared witless when Australia temporarily ran out of Uncle Sam’s Coatail Wars.

    This is because every time we stop fighting wars Australia starts cutting back on defence spending.

    But it turns out that killing all those muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan was worth it after all.

    Because, thanks be to Christ, the Blinkies now have a century’s worth of fighting islamist extremists up their sleeves. The subs should prove very useful.

    We appear to have done a seamless swap from reds under every bed to jihadis under every bed.

    Except for mine, as it turns out. I checked this morning.

  28. Steve777

    Jihadis aren’t just the new ‘Boats’, they’re the new Communists.

  29. Roger Miller

    All this talk of “metadata” is just absurd. There is a huge gulf between a curcuit switched network, like the telephone system and a packet switched network, like the internet. The whole idea of a packet switched network is that the network is totaly agnostic about the data it is transmitting and has no need to keep any information about where packets of data come from or where they are going. ISPs keep “metadata” on how much data it sends and recieves from you and whether it is “free” or “charged”. They don’t care whether that data comes from a web browser an ipod or a fridge.

  30. CTar1

    Bw

    [I was just having a bit of a squizz to see what Bludger Treasures I had missed over the past week]

    Been far for your weeks ‘bludge’?

  31. BH

    Crikey, CTar & Lizzie

    You’ve destroyed me!! One tells me to eat him and the other says he faithless. Both of you are little :devil:

  32. CTar1

    [Death of James Brady, Ronald Reagan’s presidential aide, due to gunshot wound, ruled a homicide: police]

    … it goes on to say

    [A gunshot wound three decades old killed former presidential spokesman James Brady, US police say, ruling the death a homicide.]

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-09/death-of-reagan-aide-james-brady-ruled-a-homicide/5659948

  33. CTar1

    BH

    [One tells me to eat him and the other says he faithless. ]

    See! Totally ‘menu’ suitable.

  34. BH

    [ In the final sitting weeks of the winter session, Tony Abbott held an unusual meeting of his full ministry during which he was asked by a junior minister how the government was intending to deal with the widespread view that it had broken election promises. The prime minister’s response was forceful and absolute. The government had not broken a single promise, he insisted. There was nothing to deal with, no case to answer.

    This is a profound insight into Abbott’s personality, revealing an absolute faith in his own rightness and an incapacity to acknowledge reality. The scary thing is that he actually believes this himself, and it lies at the root of the madness that was identified by Keating and others in describing the Mad Monk,
    and is directly relevant to his negotiating skills or lack thereof.]

    Trog

    That was disturbing to read. The Caucus must have been a bit demoralised to hear Abbott so resolute on the broken promises. Is it about time we start realising Abbott may actually be the sociopath that many suggest.

  35. Boerwar

    [CTar1
    Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    Bw

    I was just having a bit of a squizz to see what Bludger Treasures I had missed over the past week

    Been far for your weeks ‘bludge’?]

    Grandparenting No 5, chez Melbun.

    Drizzling one day; grey the next.

  36. Boerwar

    One rotten apple down; one to go.

    Then there are the governance systems that produce rotten apples.

    Reforming these is more challenging than your actual rotten apples, who are showing a useful tendency to self-destruct when they collide with reality.

  37. Raaraa

    Oh, Pyne on the NPC trying to dismiss all criticisms as misinformation.

    I haven’t heard anything new yet but I can barely make out anything substantial from all that waffle.

  38. Boerwar

    A duck sitting under an orange tree is autosuggestive, IMHO.

  39. CTar1

    Bw

    [Drizzling one day; grey the next.]

    Bloody cold here but windless and clear and sunny.

    Classic Cbr winter weather. Driving around at two o’clock in the arvo with the Sun so strong you notice that the car is blowing cooled air rather than heat.

  40. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    boerwar
    There may be careers that are best served by sociopaths. Politics is not one of them. Yes, one down, one to go.

  41. CTar1

    Bw

    [A duck sitting under an orange tree is autosuggestive, IMHO.]

    My experience is much better ‘trapped’ than shot.

  42. BH

    [I would keep a close eye on that duck BK. All is not always as it seems.]

    BW Duck not happy here and just flown over to a larger dam so any thoughts of ‘dinner’ gone, thank goodness.

  43. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    At some stage, for the survival of the human species, sociopaths are going to have to be identified and dealt with by society. Beyond the destruction of our species and the environment we live in, when or if we regroup, this personality trait will be seen as a threat to the community. At the very least, the areas that sociopaths can operate in may proscribed, at the worst humans may decide to eliminate that personality type completely by, for example, refusing them the right to reproduce. We reward sociopaths in the Era, the next Era may be very different.

  44. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    this Era.

  45. markjs

    Not much interest in the latest Oz smear campaign against Julia Gillard on Twitter ..Hedley Thomas flogging a dead horse that was buried & cremated years ago..

    Much merriment and ridicule still being directed at Brandis & Abetz though.. 🙂

  46. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    Lucky duck!

  47. Boerwar

    Ducking off to the Big Dam, eh?

  48. Boerwar

    CTaR1

    Chewing the shot is not my fav.

  49. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    Maybe the faithless duck is off to a duck orgy.

  50. markjs

    …and nothing on ABC online

  51. Greensborough Growler

    If the duck looks at you from behind it’s wing, is it a Peking Duck?

  52. Boerwar

    Puffy
    Re: orgy, ducks do have them. Mallards are ferocious in mating. Warning: sexual violence.

    http://www.arkive.org/mallard/anas-platyrhynchos/image-A18946.html

  53. CTar1

    On being ‘suspicious of ducks’- ‘mechanical’ ducks in particular:

    [… when Mason and Dixon first encounter the French chef, Armand Allègre (a characteristically Pynchon pun: “arm and a leg”), who is being pursued by Vaucanson’s Duck. This begs a bit of explanation, but is certainly one of the book’s key moments.]

    Armand informs Mason and Dixon,

    [Armand:] “Voltaire called him [Vaucanson] a Prometheus,– to be remembered only for having trespass’d so ingeniously outside the borders of Taste, as to have provided his Automaton a Digestionary Process, whose end result could not be distinguish’d from that found in Nature.”]

    I read 3/4 of this book before I even had a inkling of what it was about. So I had to start again from the start.

    http://www.themodernword.com/pynchon/papers_ketzan2.html

  54. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    Norty ducks!

  55. Centre

    What a hoot!

    Guess what Bludgers?

    Tim Wilson, the head of the human rights commission, reckons it is perfectly fine for people to post naked and sexual material of your partner on the internet if your relationship breaks down.

    Get material, keep it stored, and if things go sour…go for it!

  56. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    That was a p!ssweak attempt to distract from the government’s dreadful week. When they drag out Marge and dredge up tired old Gillard stories, you know they are desperate.

  57. Greensborough Growler

    Here’s a Saturday arvo laugh.

    https://twitter.com/

  58. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    Centre,
    Is this guy for real. How is that behaviour not sexual violence? How is it not domestic violence? How is it not reprehensible behaviour?

  59. Boerwar

    CTaR1

    […as to have provided his Automaton a Digestionary Process, whose end result…]

    …would be merde, n’est pas?

  60. BH

    [Maybe the faithless duck is off to a duck orgy.]

    Ah, so that’s what they do there. Guess who’s ducking over to the big dam right now!

    On 2nd thoughts I’ll get the binoculars 🙂

  61. CTar1

    Is this ‘news’ to the Yanks?

    [David Gardner in The Financial Times on why Saudi Arabia is partly to blame for Middle East extremism.

    Gardner suggests that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has long endorsed religious absolutism by promoting Wahhabi Islam worldwide. “Saudi Arabia not only exports oil, but tanker-loads of quasi-totalitarian religious dogma and pipelines of jihadi volunteers, even as it struggles to insulate itself from the blowback; and King Abdullah, in his end of Ramadan address, warns against the ‘devilish’ extremism of ‘these deviant forces’. Jihadi extremism does present a threat to the kingdom. But in doctrinal terms it is hard to see in what way it ‘deviates’ from Wahhabi orthodoxy, with its literalist and exclusivist rendering of Sunni Islam.” Gardner contends that this fundamentalism has inadvertently fueled extremist groups like ISIL whom the Saudis condemn as a threat to the Middle East. “The Isis rampage of destruction of shrines and mosques, for instance, continues the two centuries-old record of Wahhabi iconoclasm. Nor should it be forgotten that the House of Saud used Wahhabi zealots as its shock troops in the last century to unite by force most of the religiously diverse Arabian peninsula – won by the sword in 52 battles over 30 years. There are no churches in Saudi Arabia, and permits to build Shia mosques are rarer than desert rain.”]

    No link as it’s ‘fire-walled’.

  62. Centre

    Puffy

    I remember Andrew Ettingshausen (former Sharks footballer) successfully suing for hundreds of thousands for having a photo publicised of him in the dressing sheds with a bit of his dick showing.

    Now we can have shit posted of the net like Tod Carney’s and it’s all fine!

    I think Carney should be allowed to sue.

    And it’s not just the blokes that post the stuff. There are some crazy bitches out there believe me.

  63. CTar1

    Bw

    […would be merde, n’est pas?]

    Sorta, but fake.

  64. Boerwar

    CTaR1

    It would be ‘news’ to the punters, IMHO, who would have difficulty finding the arabian peninsula let alone being able to tell one lot of jihadis from another.

    OTOH, the Beltway has been doing schtumm for half a century.

    (Did you see the snippet about the Russians sending half a doz Su-25s down to help the Iraqi Government out with their spot of bother? Air traffic control around Mosul/Erbil must be a hoot, ATM.)

  65. Boerwar

    CTaR1
    Yeah. We have reached the Future. And everything is unreal.

  66. CTar1

    Bw – Yep the Su-25’s registered with me.

    In case you missed it I have real concerns re’ the Mosul Dam. (I’ve been boring the hell out of the indulgent commentators here (and the Poster probably) on this.

  67. poroti

    CTar1

    [David Gardner in The Financial Times on why Saudi Arabia is partly to blame for Middle East extremism]
    Partly ? !!! Fuack what an understatement.

  68. badcat

    [ CTar1

    Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    Is this ‘news’ to the Yanks?

    David Gardner in The Financial Times on why Saudi Arabia is partly to blame for Middle East extremism.
    ]

    ——————————————————–

    WikiLeaks cables portray Saudi Arabia as a cash machine for terrorists

    Saudi Arabia is the world’s largest source of funds for Islamist militant groups such as the Afghan Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba – but the Saudi government is reluctant to stem the flow of money, according to Hillary Clinton.

    MORE : http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/05/wikileaks-cables-saudi-terrorist-funding

  69. BH

    What an absurb suggestion from Tim Wilson. Do any of the IPA blokes think how their thought bubbles will affect us.

    Surely private photos are just that unless both parties agree to release them.

  70. Boerwar

    CTaR1

    Cf Mosul Dam:

    I trust that all the wannabe downstream Noahs have their animals sorted in two’s.

    Setting aide the Mount Ararat Option, the baddies appear to have sorted it out that being in a position to cut off the Shia’s water might turn out to be handy.

  71. badcat

    ALSO :

    The hijackers in the September 11 attacks were 19 men affiliated with al-Qaeda, and 15 of the 19 were citizens of Saudi Arabia.

    The others were from the United Arab Emirates (2), Egypt and Lebanon.

  72. swamprat

    This article by Jonathan Freedland who is the Guardian’s Executive Editor, is a hilarious load of confused thinking. I think the problem is a confusion of “cause”.

    The “logic”, as far as I can understand i, seems to be:

    1. A couple of paragraphs on the terrible things happening to Yazidis and Assyrian Christians in Iraq which may lead the tender reader to doubt the “progressive” view that religion is a spent force as the cause of anything etc. So:

    [From the vantage point of avowedly secular Britain …….. the persistence of religion is indeed one of the 21st century’s great surprises. For so long, progress and the decline of faith – what enlightened types prefer to call “superstition” – were thought to be symbiotic if not synonymous.]

    2. As a result …
    […….it is tempting to believe this is indeed the curious fate of our supposedly modern era – that we are being drawn back to a medieval or pre-medieval world of holy war and wholesale slaughter in the name of religion. The irony of it seems so rich: that just as technology is accelerating, making once impossible feats of connection routine, so the clock is turning backward, towards a new dark age of beheadings and enslavement, a fearsome army threatening a tiny sect with that ancient ultimatum – bow to our god or die.]

    3. But have no fear:

    [Yet neat though it is to see return to holy war as the motif of our age, it might be wrong.]

    Note the use of “might”, in fact the writer assures us it “is” wrong. The “holy war as the motif of our age” is, I think, a rhetorical unicorn.

    […what’s driving IS, or at least making its phenomenal success possible, is not pre-modern religious zeal so much as a pre-modern absence of state power.]

    Note the use of “or” to describe two propositions as if they are mutualy incompatable when they are not only mutually very compatible, but are likely to be both true. Namely Islamic State “might” be driven by “religious zeal” (the final cause) AND its immediate success might be (at least partly) due to the absence of an opposing power (an efficient cause).

    4. Rest assured the fearless writer can confirm that, what at first seemed a charicature, was not, in fact. The “progressive liberal” can remain happily reassured:

    [Our world is being shaken, but the persistence of religion is more a symptom than a cause. The larger problem, as old as mankind, is power and the lack of it. For sometimes weakness can be just as dangerous as strength.]

    So there we have it: the 125 or so jihadists from Australia who went to fight for IS may have thought they were fighting because of religious zeal but they went because there was a power vacuum caused, of course, by the USA.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/08/islamic-state-nightmare-not-holy-unholy-mess-iraq

  73. Boerwar

    Help!!!

    If you intend to sort your animals into two’s, just in case the Baddies blow up the Mosul Dam, should that be ‘twos’ or ‘two’s’, pendantically speaking?

  74. Leroy Lynch

    Polling news from elsewhere, interesting to see how they do it. As in the USA, the article has a lot of emphasis on presidential approval ratings. Then there is discussion of various policy ratings. Toward to the end, it becomes clearer that the govt is still doing pretty well vs the right opposition. Perhaps they don’t ask how will you vote in so many words? In any case the description (identified) is different.

    http://santiagotimes.cl/adimark-approval-ratings-bachelets-government-hit-five-month-low/
    [ Adimark: Approval ratings for Bachelet’s government hit five-month low
    By Sam Edwards
    Published On : Fri, Aug 8th, 2014

    Education Minister Eyzaguirre suffers further slide in approval as growing numbers believe signature education and tax reforms will not pass Congress.

    While President Michelle Bachelet continues to enjoy positive approval ratings despite dropping several points this month, the government registered its lowest support yet during July, according to the country’s leading pollster.

    Carried out between July 10 and Aug. 2, the most recent Adimark survey of the government asked more than 1000 people throughout the country their views on the current administration, its legislative agenda and the performance of senior figures.

    Bachelet’s approval slipped slightly to 54 percent this month, returning to the level registered when the president entered office in March — a notable 11 points higher than it was during the same period in her first term (2006-2010). While approval figures have remained largely stable throughout Bachelet’s second term, though, the president’s disapproval ratings have continued to rise, reaching their highest percentage yet, 36 percent, in July. This marks a significant increase on the mere 20 percent of respondents who disapproved of the Bachelet’s performance back in March.

    ………..

    Despite increasing negativity towards the government, and to a lesser extent the president herself, though, Bachelet’s left-leaning administration continued to fare much better than the right-leaning opposition Alianza coalition in the polls.

    Of those polled, 55 percent identified with the government, while though the embattled opposition saw a two percent increase on last month’s figure, the Alianza coalition still only enjoyed a 23 percent rating. Earlier this month, leaders of the RN, UDI and Evópoli party met to discuss plans to form a new right-leaning coalition in an attempt to recover from last year’s comprehensive electoral mauling at the hands of the new and more expansive left-leaning Nueva Mayoría coalition.

    The Adimark poll is carried out monthly by interviewing respondents via landlines and mobile phones. It has a margin of error of 2.9 percent.]

    http://www.adimark.cl/es/estudios/documentos/5_eval%20gobierno%20jul_2014.pdf

    The full poll, lots of detail. If you don’t speak Spanish, graphs are universal.

  75. zoidlord

    Here is some more information on metadata, you only need months of warrentless data to paint a picture of someones life:

    https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130702/10345623693/7-months-warrantless-just-metadata-paints-clear-picture-your-personal-life.shtml

    Further:

    http://www.vox.com/2014/6/30/5858012/nsa-admits-it-lets-the-fbi-access-its-warrantless-spying-database

    US Government agencies sharing information, that is warrentless.

    Scary stuff.

  76. Centre

    BH

    Not according to Tim Wilson. He reckons that once something gets in the public domain it should not be removed.

  77. CTar1

    Bw

    I’m suggesting that the Yazidi’s heading for the hills was possibly a very good idea.

    My thought is not that ISIL will cut the water off, but instead may wipe Mosul and Tikrit off the map (and put 15ft of water in Baghdad) by letting the water ‘go’.

  78. Boerwar

    swamprat

    Hmmmmmm….

    How about:

    The Middle Classes need a steady state and the steady state needs the Middle Classes.

    Globalism is destroying the Middle Classes and with it nation states. (Destroying the Middle Class is Abbott’s Historical Mission for Australia although he does not seem to have thought it through; OTOH, Joe – with his cigar – was closer to the truth than he will ever understand.)

    Globalism’s dross is (a) stateless super wealth and (b) stateless, nothing-to-lose, wannabes. The latter might badge themselves religiously but it does not really matter because, whatever they call themselves, they are going to be ever more numerous and ever more angry.

  79. Centre

    I don’t know what Tim Wilson is thinking or what his ideology may be?

    Maybe don’t do anything kinky or you will get caught who knows?

    The bloke is a fucking fruit loop and it is shameful that a twisted dork like him is head of the Human Rights Commission.

  80. Boerwar

    CTaR1

    Yes, that is what I was thinking you were thinking. Moselle et al, but done properly.

    But I had not realized 15ft in Baghdad. The Sunni Bagdhadis in particular would feel a tad cheated should they end up being whisked down the Euphratres to the Gulf (surely, with all those arabs floating in it) of Arabia.

    Perhaps if we all ignore it, it will all go away by itself.

  81. CTar1

    Centre

    [The bloke is a fucking fruit loop]

    Unfortunately he has a heap of equally nutty auxiliaries.

  82. zoomster

    swamprat

    which raises a point about the access we now have to information – that we can mistake ‘having more information about what’s happening’ to ‘what’s happening is happening more often’.

    It’s highly likely that the level of religious violence is less than it was decades ago. But the average person didn’t have much information about incidents of religious violence, say, a decade ago. Now every incident is not only flashed around the web, but is supported by a level of detail – photos, videos, etc – unseen before.

  83. Boerwar

    [Centre
    Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know what Tim Wilson is thinking or what his ideology may be?

    Maybe don’t do anything kinky or you will get caught who knows?

    The bloke is a fucking fruit loop and it is shameful that a twisted dork like him is head of the Human Rights Commission.]

    May I suggest that this is intemperate?

    Mr Wilson is following libertarian thinking to its logical conclusion. I hope one day to be entertained with Mr Wilson’s partner(s) following his advice to its graphical conclusion.

    But, then again, maybe not.

  84. deblonay

    Re Wilson.
    >>>>>>>>
    Wilson got that job because he was big with the IPA,and a major spokeman for them pre the last election

    They rate highly with Abbott and Co
    He get’s a huge salary..$30O.OOO plus… and can say and do just about whatever right-wing views come into his head
    He’s is Gay however and that must ruffle some conservative feathers in the Coalition

  85. CTar1

    Bw

    If done, in twelve months time, the Tigris Valley will be a very ‘Fertile Crescent’.

    Electricity supply in what’s left of Mosul would resume in about 2 decades time.

  86. roger bottomley

    Boer war, would you be able to repost that long list of Abbott’s broken promises you were compiling?

  87. lizzie

    Boerwar

    ‘twos’ or ‘two’s’?

    Many people have a habit of inserting an apostrophe before a plural ‘s’ especially after an abbreviation or a number. For example: MP’s. The 1930’s. CV’s. All wrong. Less is more.

    Lunch was half a glass of Windy Peak (Yarra Valley) chardonnay and fried prawns with freshly grated ginger and lemon juice. I FEEL BETTER NOW.

  88. Boerwar

    CTaR1

    Ah. Yet another Dark Ages in that neck of the woods.

    OTOH, it would be good for the ducks.

  89. CTar1

    Bw

    [I hope one day to be entertained with Mr Wilson’s partner(s) following his advice to its graphical conclusion.

    But, then again, maybe not.]

    I’m with you on the ‘not’ concept.

  90. Centre

    Boer

    Please, you don’t want people chundering if they’re unlucky to come across something like that on the net.

  91. CTar1

    lizzie

    [I FEEL BETTER NOW.]

    Good.

    Is there a tune in that? 😀

  92. CTar1

    Bw

    [OTOH, it would be good for the ducks.]

    Mechanical ones in first. You never know what duck aggressive diseases may arise from the past.

  93. Boerwar

    [lizzie

    Boerwar

    ‘twos’ or ‘two’s’?

    Many people have a habit of inserting an apostrophe before a plural ‘s’ especially after an abbreviation or a number. For example: MP’s. The 1930′s. CV’s. All wrong. Less is more.]

    Oh. I was wrong, then.

    I should have posted that all the Noahs getting ready for the Great Euphratres ISIS Mosul Dam Flood of 2014 should be arranging their animals in ‘twos’, not ‘two’s’. Damn it.

    [Lunch was half a glass of Windy Peak (Yarra Valley) chardonnay and fried prawns with freshly grated ginger and lemon juice. I FEEL BETTER NOW.]

    Hah! I did much better than that. I had three pieces of toast, one each with (a) vegemite (b) apricot jam, and (c) peanut butter (crunchy). So there.

  94. zoidlord

    Some fun at Brandis expense:

    newmatilda ‏@newmatilda 2m

    At significant expense, we found a translator who speaks Brandish. The A-G’s interview transcript is here http://bit.ly/V9wPf8

  95. badcat

    [ CTar1

    Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    lizzie

    I FEEL BETTER NOW.

    Good.

    Is there a tune in that?
    ]

    ——————————————-

    I was going to suggest ‘I Feel Pretty ‘ from West Side Story ( then I remembered it had the “g” word in it – this was before it had a different meaning in 2014 )

  96. William Bowe

    [I guess Newspoll polling will have finished by now,]

    Actually, that usually happens mid-afternoon on Sunday.

  97. Boerwar

    zoidlord

    That is all very well, but no one can be in any doubt a about Brandis’ boundless faith in himself, or in the steadfastness of his deep committment to pomposity.

    The gods willing, he will be around for the long haul, that is to say, to the next election.

    Shorten must be praying that Abbott hangs onto Brandis for as long as.

  98. Boerwar

    Ah, weel, time for a nanna nap. See youse later.

  99. badcat

    [ Boerwar

    Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    Ah, weel, time for a nanna nap. See youse later.
    ]

    ————————————–

    A tough day at the office eh, Boerwar 😉

  100. Centre

    What if Cory Bernadi or Chris Kenny were into beastiality and images of them having sex with animals found there way onto the net?

    Should Bernadi or Kenny have a right for them to be removed?

    Hey, maybe Wilson is right 😆

  101. CTar1

    Badcat

    [ ( then I remembered it had the “g” word in it – this was before it had a different meaning in 2014 ) ]

    😀

  102. WeWantPaul

    [Surely private photos are just that unless both parties agree to release them.]

    I’m quite happy for the law to criminalize certain use of images but the copyright in an image belongs to the photographer and that should not be changed at all.

  103. AussieAchmed

    Julia Gillard’s rely to the Hedley Thomas attack

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuhXK50CUAANqBg.png

  104. briefly

    [1560
    AussieAchmed

    Julia Gillard’s rely to the Hedley Thomas attack]

    H Thomas…yet another reason to never buy anything published by News Corpse.

  105. Roger Miller

    The subject of a photograph can have some rights over the image. Contracts can be written that define what an image can be used for and for what period of time. Maybe the time has come for anyone in a relationship to sign a contract about the use of their images.

  106. Nicholas

    If you read the profiles of the staff at the Institute of Public Affairs, you learn something interesting. In the past they worked as columnists, authors of libertarian monographs, ministerial staffers, public servants, academics. One has practised law. A few have held other think tank gigs (at the Menzies Research Center, for example). Some are graduate students fresh out of their first degree. There’s nothing wrong with those occupations. But if you espouse the mythology of libertarianism – that jobs are created by the virtuous rich; that wealth ultimately comes from entrepreneurship and innovation, and these “wealth creators” are morally and economically superior to mere salaried mortals, wouldn’t you have a go at living those values yourself? None of these philosopher kings at the IPA have ever deigned to share their wealth creating gifts with humanity. None of them have started a successful business from scratch, met a payroll, created goods and services which make our lives safer or more convenient, devised useful technologies or better ways of doing things.

    Can’t the IPA find a few genuine entrepreneurs and innovators to research and advocate for them? Maybe the people who actually do those things are too busy to take a sinecure. And maybe those people understand from real world experience the interlocking commitments and activities that make their work possible – including well-resourced public goods.

  107. CTar1

    Nicholas

    The IPA, and the like, are ‘places’ to warehouse people the Libs think may be useful as Candidates or Staffers in the future.

    Particularly when they get tossed by the ‘Electorate’. So they keep coming back, just waiting for an excuse to implement old policies. A la the US Republicans.

    The ALP doesn’t have these ‘structures’.

  108. Sir Pajama Pudding of Lake Disappointment

    Obscenely rich, bored Arabs demonstrate a capacity for madness which defies belief:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTlCNyC9C9w

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkzgYbL58qQ

  109. badcat

    [ CTar1

    Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    Nicholas

    The IPA, and the like, are ‘places’ to warehouse people the Libs think may be useful as Candidates or Staffers in the future.

    Particularly when they get tossed by the ‘Electorate’. So they keep coming back, just waiting for an excuse to implement old policies. A la the US Republicans.

    The ALP doesn’t have these ‘structures’.
    ]

    ———————————————

    I think in the ALP they are called “Unions” – Bullock anyone ?????

  110. poroti

    Sir Pajama Pudding of Lake Disappointment

    Once they tire of drifting in Saudi Arabia they do some road “skating” .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thkJ5Uhggfw

  111. AussieAchmed

    Eric Abetz’s abortion backtrack: an opportunity to study Liberal spin in its natural habitat | Amy Gray http://gu.com/p/4vt7z/tw

  112. William Bowe

    [Obscenely rich, bored Arabs demonstrate a capacity for madness which defies belief:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTlCNyC9C9w

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkzgYbL58qQ ]

    At the top of the comments thread from the first of the two:

    [saudi arabia must not have very good schools or everyone there is retarded and im not even talking about the dumbass drivers the people standing right on the side of the road you would think alah would have blessed them with brains but since alah isnt real i guess they are just shit out of luck they should just stick to killing innocent women and children with there suicide vests cause that about all they are good at except totally going over board about stupid shit like this post i put here so just to piss some muslim fucktards off fuck alah fuck mohamed and any other bullshit they kill people over]

    Food for thought.

  113. Boerwar

    p
    Hell, that’s nothing. Back in Texas we used to do that with bare feet.

  114. zoidlord

    Josh Taylor ‏@joshgnosis 8m

    “Strong verbal communication skills” MT @susan_m:

  115. jeffemu

    Looks like today is a dark black hair Tony Day.

  116. Boerwar

    Incidentally, the Northern Passage is open if you want to go for a quick paddle.

    The North-west Passage is not open and the ice has looked fairly sticky thereabouts, so it might not open this season.

  117. Dee

    Amazing Saudi Sandals???

  118. poroti

    Boerwar

    Guess that’s why they called y’all “Stumpy”.

  119. ruawake

    The QC ‘s opinion relied on by Hedley Thomas was sued for negligence by Di Fingleton.

    Seems Russell Hanson QC has been a buddy of Thomas ever since.

    [“I don’t now remember whether I did not notice the section of the Magistrates Act on which the appeal succeeded, or whether I saw it and mentally dismissed it as having no bearing on the case. I suspect the latter. Of course, I was aware of the principle of judicial immunity,” Mr Hanson said.]

    Yet he let his client go to jail and blamed her for it.

  120. Boerwar

    Yo.

    Mah brother got ‘Shorty’.

    The driver got ‘Yeeha!’

  121. Boerwar

    Calling Abetz ‘sheepish’ is an outright bigoted insult to sheep, IMHO.

  122. bemused

    CTar1@1518

    Is this ‘news’ to the Yanks?


    David Gardner in The Financial Times on why Saudi Arabia is partly almost entirely to blame for Middle East extremism.

    Gardner suggests that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has long endorsed religious absolutism by promoting Wahhabi Islam worldwide. “Saudi Arabia not only exports oil, but tanker-loads of quasi-totalitarian religious dogma and pipelines of jihadi volunteers, even as it struggles to insulate itself from the blowback; and King Abdullah, in his end of Ramadan address, warns against the ‘devilish’ extremism of ‘these deviant forces’. Jihadi extremism does present a threat to the kingdom. But in doctrinal terms it is hard to see in what way it ‘deviates’ from Wahhabi orthodoxy, with its literalist and exclusivist rendering of Sunni Islam.” Gardner contends that this fundamentalism has inadvertently fueled extremist groups like ISIL whom the Saudis condemn as a threat to the Middle East. “The Isis rampage of destruction of shrines and mosques, for instance, continues the two centuries-old record of Wahhabi iconoclasm. Nor should it be forgotten that the House of Saud used Wahhabi zealots as its shock troops in the last century to unite by force most of the religiously diverse Arabian peninsula – won by the sword in 52 battles over 30 years. There are no churches in Saudi Arabia, and permits to build Shia mosques are rarer than desert rain.”


    No link as it’s ‘fire-walled’.

    It needed a small edit.

    The yanks may have an agreement with them re oil and dollars, but I don’t think that should preclude a threat behind closed doors to totally destroy the House of Saud if they do not clean up their act forthwith.

  123. badcat

    [ Boerwar

    Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 4:14 pm | Permalink

    Calling Abetz ‘sheepish’ is an outright bigoted insult to sheep, IMHO
    ]

    ————————————–

    Using this forum to make sheep shots at dear Eric ????

  124. bemused

    badcat@1528

    ALSO :

    The hijackers in the September 11 attacks were 19 men affiliated with al-Qaeda, and 15 of the 19 were citizens of Saudi Arabia.

    The others were from the United Arab Emirates (2), Egypt and Lebanon.

    WOT??? none from Iraq???

    Well I’ll be… 😮

  125. ruawake

    I see Abbott will just ride his bike down the road a few metres for this years pollie pedal, then off to The Netherlands to do something or other.

    I assume we will see photo ops with him in a hair net.

  126. badcat

    [ bemused

    Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    badcat@1528

    ALSO :

    The hijackers in the September 11 attacks were 19 men affiliated with al-Qaeda, and 15 of the 19 were citizens of Saudi Arabia.

    The others were from the United Arab Emirates (2), Egypt and Lebanon.

    WOT??? none from Iraq???

    Well I’ll be…
    ]

    —————————————–

    ….. or even that other place we had to liberate just so we could get the thronging crowds who would like the streets and throw flowers at us …. Afghanistan ????

  127. badcat

    ….. or even that other place we had to liberate just so we could get the thronging crowds who would LINE the streets and throw flowers at us …. Afghanistan ????

  128. deblonay

    Middle East extremism
    _________________
    Talking about the Saudi fundamentalists regime(with the blessing of the USA of course)…Scott McConell in “The American Conservative” lolks at the awakening in the USA by many to the increasingly fascist-racist nature of Isreal,where he sees the constant move to a fascist mode to local politics under the Likud right-wingers

    This finds expression in people like the Dpt Speaker of the Knesset who wants all of Gaza to be turned in to a vast concentration camp from which all fighters will be remov ed and”exterminated”.(yes his word)..the remainded of those arabs will be deported to..who know where?…and Gaza will then be settled by incoming Jews

    This Nazi like thinking ,McConnel says have now won wide support in Israel,and like the racist mobs of teenagers who harrass and torment Arabs on the streets of Jerusalem ,are all part of the fascist mood
    He sees this is a major problem for the US and the world as Israel is after all a nucleur power ,but in constant conflict with all it’s arab neighbours…and this.. 66 years after the state’s creation

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/what-gaza-has-revealed/

  129. ruawake

    Oh Dear

    Tony can’t take a trick.

    [Crossbench Senator Bob Day has flagged plans for a private senator’s bill to revive a proposal for changes to the Racial Discrimination Act…

    …”Someone has to defend free speech. I think it’s the basis of our society and democracy that people should be free to say what they think and allow others then to determine,” he said.

    “A person should not be taken to court because someone says ‘I was offended by what you said’.”

    The Family First senator says he will introduce the Government’s previous bill as a private senator’s bill.

    He says several Government senators and crossbenchers have voiced support for the plan.]

    Abbott has this simplistic view that he can chose the fronts he has to fight on, I think he will soon realise its bollocks.

  130. Diogenes

    ru

    Bolt has really spat is given Day is supporting RDA reform.

    [The two most eloquent defenders of freedom now in Parliament are the conservative Day and the libertarian David Leyonhjelm. Disenchanted Liberals should consider giving them their primary vote in future. ]

  131. dave

    [ Abbott has this simplistic view that he can chose the fronts he has to fight on, I think he will soon realise its bollocks. ]

    He has been trying to clear the decks as part of his ‘reset’ attempts – so its good to see him ankle tapped – particularly if its from another loony like Bob Day.

  132. badcat

    [ruawake

    Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    I see Abbott will just ride his bike down the road a few metres for this years pollie pedal, then off to The Netherlands to do something or other.

    I assume we will see photo ops with him in a hair net.
    ]

    ————————————————-

    …. with his finger in a dyke ??? …..

  133. zoidlord

    Crikey.com.au ‏@crikey_news 2m

    “The truth is that the government’s record has been trashed on every single initiative. Every single one.” http://ow.ly/A6nO8

    Indeed.

  134. lizzie

    My mother had reported that a “nice little tree” had fallen down. So I went up to look, and it’s an 80 ft white gum sprawled right up the hill from the dam to the top ‘walk’. (My steps don’t measure metres.) All paths now blocked for mowing. Lucky it’s too cold for the grass to grow.

  135. Tom the first and best

    1589

    That quote omits the word intentionally. David Leyonhjelm was elected on the primary votes of people voting for the LDP wile thinking they were voting for the Liberal Party.

  136. DisplayName

    William @ 1570, I wouldn’t recommend ingesting that.

  137. Diogenes

    Looks like we might be helping with the RAAF preforming air drops inIraq.

    [Tony Abbott has offered Australia’s assistance to the US for humanitarian air drops over northern Iraq after the US military launched air strikes against Islamic State (Isis) forces.

    The prime minister said he had spoken with US officials about the “potential humanitarian disaster” and that he had been asked to consider participation in humanitarian air drops.]

  138. ruawake

    Diog

    [Mr Abbott says Australia has two military aircraft based in the United Arab Emirates that could assist with the air drops within days.

    “We’re looking to see how quickly we can get crews there,” he said.]

    Why are two planes sitting there without crews?

  139. zoidlord

    May 2014:

    ““We’re not in the business of breaking promises. We’re in the business of keeping our promises to fix the budget and fix and strengthen the economy,” the treasurer told the ABC during a walk around Canberra’s Lake Burley Griffin this morning with Senator Cormann.”

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/budget-2014-the-promises-tony-abbott-made-versus-what-he-will-deliver/story-fn84fgcm-1226911399099

    – Debt higher.
    – Senate blockage.
    – Unemployment higher 6.4%.
    – 100,000 Newstart will be cashless in the middle of next year.

  140. lizzie

    Waaaah!!!

    [‏@FogartyClimate 9m
    Worrying: #Abbott says Env Min #Hunt has made 310 decisions to approve or progress projects worth over $800 billion http://www.pm.gov.au/media/2014-08-08/address-australian-industry-group-inaugural-sir-william-tyree-address-sydney … ]

  141. CTar1

    rua

    Three times crew needed for useful deployment of a C-130J or K.

  142. briefly

    [1596
    Diogenes

    Looks like we might be helping with the RAAF preforming air drops inIraq.

    Tony Abbott has offered Australia’s assistance to the US for humanitarian air drops over northern Iraq after the US military launched air strikes against Islamic State (Isis) forces.

    The prime minister said he had spoken with US officials about the “potential humanitarian disaster” and that he had been asked to consider participation in humanitarian air drops.]

    The statement made here is that Abbott “has been asked to consider participation” ….This has the same plausibility as Menzies infamous claim that he was asked to offer support to South Viet Nam, leading to Australia’s involvement in that conflict.

    Undoubtedly, Abbott was not “asked” to do anything. He will have offered Australian support. He is just aching to get into a war…any war…as long as he gets to play at being a wartime PM….marshal of the nation’s destiny…and all the rest of the shit…

  143. swamprat

    Diogenes @ 1596

    [Looks like we might be helping with the RAAF preforming air drops inIraq.

    Tony Abbott has offered Australia’s assistance to the US for humanitarian air drops over northern Iraq after the US military launched air strikes against Islamic State (Isis) forces.

    The prime minister said he had spoken with US officials about the “potential humanitarian disaster” and that he had been asked to consider participation in humanitarian air drops.]

    It’s obvious that Abbott is desperate for a nice Liberal war to get involved in.

    In the meantime he tries to present as the Putin of the South….. personally “leading” the search for MH307, “coordinating” MH17, now iraq….

  144. ruawake

    No doubt Abbott will call into the UAE to check on the status of his refugee aid program. (the air one not the boat one).

  145. CTar1

    briefly

    [Undoubtedly, Abbott was not “asked” to do anything. ]

    Possibly to do his zip up, but that would be about all.

  146. AussieAchmed

    – Debt higher.

    Australian Office of Financial Management, has increased to $333.5 billion as of today, which is some $53.2 billion above the level of gross debt at the September 2013 election.

    Abbott government came to power in September 2013 on a platform of “reducing debt” and “paying down debt” with the end point of “eliminating debt”, it has borrowed, in gross terms, over $93 billion. That is about $2 billion a week.

  147. pedant

    It’s a sad reflection on our times that when I just saw a headline on the SMH website “Fury at job-seeker virginity tests” (which turned out to be about something in Brazil) my immediate first thought was Senator Abetz must have had another bright idea.

  148. CTar1

    ABC website:

    [Australia has offered to help the United States provide humanitarian assistance to refugees in Iraq, the Prime Minister says.]

    So we’re offering ‘help’ to the US rather than to Iraqi civilians.

    A ‘flaw’ in the intent here about who and why.

  149. zoidlord

    @pedant/1606

    Don’t give gov spinners the idea.

  150. lizzie

    pedant

    Sad but very funny 😀

  151. zoidlord

    @CTar1/1607

    It would put another spanner in the libs war on “illegals”(btw, why is the ABC calling them refugees?, are they not suppose to call them illegals?)…

  152. lizzie

    Not the test for virginity, I hasten to add. Just that we can now believe anything of Abetz.

  153. CTar1

    lizzie

    [Just that we can now believe anything of Abetz.]

    Great Uncle Otto is calling him.

  154. frednk

    Boy has “The Australian” lost the plot!

  155. poroti

    frednk

    Speaking of losing the plot. Kiev will have lost it if they try this one on for real.

    [Ukraine ‘may cut Russia energy for Europe’

    UKRAINE has warned it might cut Russian oil and gas flows to Europe and ban Russian airlines from crossing its airspace, as Moscow criticised the country for suspending a ceasefire at the crash site of MH17.

    THE measures are part of a sanctions bill targeting Russia that will be submitted to parliament, Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk said in Kiev]
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/ukraine-may-cut-russia-energy-for-europe/story-fn3dxix6-1227018944522

  156. dave

    I really wonder if many voters noticed the stuff ups by the various tories this week and if so how many of them are really concerned about it.

    We find out soon I guess.

  157. zoidlord

    Retweeted by Tony Windsor
    The Independent ‏@Independent 17h

    There are so many reasons why what the Australian Daily Telegraph did was not appropriate. http://ind.pn/1uvzn3X

    Retweeted by Rob Oakeshott
    Doc ‏@Doclach 9h

    .@RobOakeshott1: How big business hijacked parliament. http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/topic/politics/2014/08/09/rob-oakeshott-how-big-business-hijacked-parliament/1407506400#.U-VQ-kWVkrE.twitter … @SatPaper #auspol

    Retweeted by Rob Oakeshott
    Dadiva Netter ‏@sydnets 9h

    The key to the success of #Australia’s oligarchs is the lax political donation laws at all levels http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/topic/politics/2014/08/09/rob-oakeshott-how-big-business-hijacked-parliament/1407506400#.U-VT7kCVraR … HT @RobOakeshott1

  158. confessions

    [It’s a sad reflection on our times that when I just saw a headline on the SMH website “Fury at job-seeker virginity tests” (which turned out to be about something in Brazil) my immediate first thought was Senator Abetz must have had another bright idea.]

    It isn’t just you. My mind went straight to Abetz as workplace relations minister when I read a report yesterday of a former pregnant ANZ employee who was apparently sacked for refusing an employer-sponsored pelvic examination.

  159. CTar1

    WTF

    [sacked for refusing an employer-sponsored pelvic examination.]

    Slave / US Deep South thoughts …

  160. zoidlord

    Looks like Tories in UK trying to get public support by sending NHS staff to Gaza:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28715052

    “Staff including doctors, nurses and anaesthetists will fly out to the region in the next 48 hours.”

  161. CTar1

    [to get public support by sending NHS staff to Gaza]

    The Tories would be happy if the NHS people stayed there.

  162. bemused

    CTar1@1620


    to get public support by sending NHS staff to Gaza


    The Tories would be happy if the NHS people stayed there.

    And if Israel kills some of them, what then?

  163. bemused

    We need Psephos back to reassure us how great things are in Iraq.

    Why, I saw a headline ‘Iraq in Chaos’. This cannot be true.

  164. CTar1

    bemused

    [And if Israel kills some of them, what then?]

    They are only government servants.

    The UC couldn’t give an FF, although they’d sound like they did, at least a bleat for forms sake would be put up.

  165. CTar1

    bemused

    As said all is Hunky Dorie in Iraq. So don’t sweat on this.

    There’s stuff all you and I can do anyway.

    A donation of ‘water wings’ to those downstream from Mosul Dam might be useful.

    Who knows.

  166. bemused

    CTar1@1623

    bemused


    And if Israel kills some of them, what then?


    They are only government servants.

    The UC couldn’t give an FF, although they’d sound like they did, at least a bleat for forms sake would be put up.

    The UK general public may not feel quite the same way.

    Israel has just about exhausted its stock of good will around the world.

  167. bemused

    CTar1@1624

    bemused

    As said all is Hunky Dorie in Iraq. So don’t sweat on this.

    There’s stuff all you and I can do anyway.

    A donation of ‘water wings’ to those downstream from Mosul Dam might be useful.

    Who knows.

    Of course the Biblical story of ‘the flood’ comes from the Gilgamesh and occurred in Babylon.

    History may repeat itself.

  168. citizen

    [ruawake
    Posted Saturday, August 9, 2014 at 4:35 pm | PERMALINK
    I see Abbott will just ride his bike down the road a few metres for this years pollie pedal, then off to The Netherlands to do something or other.

    I assume we will see photo ops with him in a hair net.]

    He will probably ride a bike in the Netherlands, say it is part of Pollie Pedal and claim travel allowance at $x per km away from home in Sydney.

    The Fairfax article about his trip doesn’t mention him doing anything that a PM needs to travel to the Netherlands to do.

    [Mr Abbott will fly out from Canberra to The Hague early on Sunday morning to meet with Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte to thank him for the Netherlands’ work leading the search for the remains of those killed in the plane crash in eastern Ukraine.

    During his short visit to the Netherlands, Mr Abbott will be briefed on the victim-identification process by the Dutch chief scientist.

    He will also welcome back Australian police and Defence personnel who have been working on the crash site and who are returning to the Netherlands from Ukraine. ]

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-to-visit-netherlands-about-mh17-disaster-20140809-1027×9.html#ixzz39snQXfJ8

    The Australian police, defence and crash investigation personnel must be getting a bit weary of being farewelled in Australia, welcomed in Ukraine, presumably farewelled in Ukraine and now welcomed by Abbott in Holland.

  169. lizzie

    [The Australian police, defence and crash investigation personnel must be getting a bit weary of being farewelled in Australia, welcomed in Ukraine, presumably farewelled in Ukraine and now welcomed by Abbott in Holland.]

    And when they finally return to Australia, perhaps the GG will get a look in.

  170. ruawake

    citizen

    From my reading 11 AFP officers have accessed the crash site, a couple are identifying bodies, the hundreds of others have been doing sfa.

    Abbott is desperate for a man of steel moment. His desperation ensures he will never get one.

  171. bemused

    lizzie@1628


    The Australian police, defence and crash investigation personnel must be getting a bit weary of being farewelled in Australia, welcomed in Ukraine, presumably farewelled in Ukraine and now welcomed by Abbott in Holland.


    And when they finally return to Australia, perhaps the GG will get a look in.

    I think Abbott should visit the MH17 crash site and lead the search for a while. He could then continue on to Moscow to give Putin a dressing down. 😛

  172. CTar1

    bemused

    [History may repeat itself.]

    Yep. ‘Repeat’ – the Tigris Valley could be a very ‘Fertile Crescent’ next year.

    Nothing like a very big flood to share the largess.

  173. mikehilliard

    [‘‘There is a looming humanitarian catastrophe unfolding in northern Iraq right now,” Mr Abbott told reporters in Sydney on Saturday.]

    Abbott is all over the shop, slashes $7.6 billion from overseas aid but races in to offer a humanitarian mission to Iraq and at what cost who knows. Just because the US is getting involved Tony feels the need to get his foot in the door. He’s such a media tart.

  174. zoidlord

    Oh gawd, the ABC is glorifying the PM on aid drop.

  175. poroti

    Time to start getting designs for a huge granite monument with the names of Abbott and the rest of the climate do nothings chiseled on in very large letters. Lest history forget who they were.

    [‘We’re f*****’: Climate change will be catastrophic for mankind after study reveals methane leaking from the Arctic Ocean, scientist warns

    scientists found huge plumes of deadly methane escaping from the seafloor.

    This is according to Dr Jason Box who claims that methane will be the main driver of climate change if it escapes into the atmosphere.

    He said: ‘If even a small fraction of Arctic sea floor carbon is released to the atmosphere, we’re f’d’]
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2719727/Were-f-ked-Climate-change-catastrophe-mankind-study-shows-methane-leaking-Arctic-Ocean-scientist-warns.html

  176. mikehilliard

    [Oh gawd, the ABC is glorifying the PM on aid drop.]

    Yeah, I muted it.

  177. frednk

    What is a comedian to do when they can’t write better script?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRO_6lQhxTk&sns=tw

  178. confessions

    mikeh:

    Foreign aid is only worth giving when there’s an international focus to your efforts, apparently.

  179. bemused

    Oh dear, what would our friend Mick make of this:
    [Labour Party chief Ed Miliband has denounced Israel’s conduct uncategorically, and a Muslim minister has resigned from Cameron’s cabinet]
    Particularly as Miliband is Jewish.

  180. victoria

    Check out Abbott impersonator on his own team Australia.

    Notice his very black hair and the smudge on his face. Too bloody funny

    http://youtu.be/m6Zo774tidI

    Sent from my iPad

  181. guytaur

    WA Premier Barnett stirring the GST pot again.

    Another front for Team Abbbott to be embatttled on

  182. confessions

    And when the world isn’t watching, foreign aid is just another waste of govt spending.

  183. citizen

    [bemused

    I think Abbott should visit the MH17 crash site and lead the search for a while. He could then continue on to Moscow to give Putin a dressing down.]

    He could enter the war zone in hi-viz vest and proclaim “NO CARBON TAX”.

    Ukraine soldiers and rebels alike would be amazed at his wisdom and would wonder why they were were fighting each other when they could combine to defeat the dreaded CARBON TAX.

  184. guytaur

    frednk

    Working Dog’s Utopia could be just the ticket if it has the Standard of previous efforts like Frontline and The Hollow Men

  185. mikehilliard

    confessions@1641

    Spot on, unless there’s a media scrum involved Abbott is not in it.

  186. CTar1

    bemused

    [the Gilgamesh and occurred in Babylon.]

    Also right there in Nineveh.

    Classic place for a flood.

  187. mikehilliard

    victoria @1639

    “C Pyne, just the sound of his voice makes people want to stab him” 😆

  188. victoria

    mikehilliard

    Yep that bit was too funny!

  189. victoria

    Is Abbott running away to the netherlands so he doesnt have to deal with fallout at ICAC?

  190. guytaur

    @electionista: Scotland – Survation #IndyRef poll:

    Yes (to independence) 37%
    No 50%

    @survation polls since Feb: https://t.co/qgobFaGpou

  191. mikehilliard

    I bet the Netherlands government is completely wrapped that Abbott is about to descend on them. Just what they need, an internationally renowned idiot getting in the way of the sensitive process of victim identification. Abbott has nothing to offer, other than bringing the whole MH17 disaster back onto Australias tv screens which will only add to the distress of the victims families and friends. They must despise him.

  192. CTar1

    vic

    [Is Abbott running away to the netherlands so he doesnt have to deal with {?}]

    … {?} = Anything that he may f%ck up and will count against him.

  193. confessions

    victoria:

    AFter the week the govt has had, Abbott’d have plenty of reasons to want to run away to the Netherlands. None of them good! 😆

  194. victoria

    CTar/fess

    Indeed

  195. CTar1

    The ABC terms Tones visit to Holland as providing ‘assistance’.

    I don’t think the Dutch are that inept that they need Tones ‘help’.

    Possibly they could DNA test him and determine his origin.

  196. mikehilliard

    The only time the LNP polls go up is when Abbott is OS. It’s starting to get a bit expensive for the country though.

  197. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    MikeH
    [They must despise him.]
    I know I do.

  198. bemused

    mikehilliard@1655

    The only time the LNP polls go up is when Abbott is OS. It’s starting to get a bit expensive for the country though.

    Well we could avoid the cost of travel by having him stay somewhere overseas.

    I believe Antarctica is nice at this time of year. 👿

  199. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    Nauru?

  200. Fulvio Sammut

    Are the Dutch so inept they need Abbott’s help to sign a condolences book?

  201. mikehilliard

    Puff

    [I know I do.]

    moi deux

  202. bemused

    Puff, the Magic Dragon.@1658

    Nauru?

    Damn, why didn’t I think of that. 😀

    Although Manus might be even better.

  203. Boerwar

    Spot the relative impact on the Dutch economy. Oh, and spot Abbott:

    http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2014/08/dutch_fresh_produce_banned_fro.php

  204. CTar1

    mike

    ‘Me too’ gains a small bit of elegance in French somehow.

  205. CTar1

    Bw

    [Spot the Abbott:]

    Nah.

  206. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    Abbott is flying to the Netherlands to be briefed on the ID process. Has he never watched CSI or Silent Witness? Couldn’t someone rustle up some back episodes? Is he really deeply interested in the unpleasant processes involved in identifying remains? For goodness sakes, stop milking these victims for paltry political purposes, you pathetic excuse for a Prime Minister.

  207. Boerwar

    Where is Abbott on this one? Maybe Brandis could have been pursuing this line of activity rather than miring himself in metadata?

    http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2014/08/collective_request_for_death_c.php

  208. mikehilliard

    CTari

    Agree, some French sayings are just better.

  209. Boerwar

    Hmmmm…. just as well some people some where are not treating the MH17 incident as a glorious opportunity for political stunting:

    http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2014/08/mh17_next_of_kin_to_receive_ad.php

  210. Fulvio Sammut

    A death certificate is required to cancel a student loan.

    Tony hasn’t mentioned that.

  211. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    Bemused,
    Is Devil’s Island still taking reluctant guests?

  212. Boerwar

    There is a french saying which more or less defines happiness: wtte, ‘back to the fire, belly to the table’.

  213. mikehilliard

    Pleeeeeeeas don’t let him try and speak Dutch to any school kiddies.

  214. CTar1

    [A death certificate is necessary in arranging, for instance, the cancellation of a rental contract or student loan.]

    I think 7 years is still required here without an identified body.

    The Dutch being practical on this.

    – See more at: http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2014/08/collective_request_for_death_c.php#sthash.JfUZqTVX.dpuf

  215. poroti

    Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    [Abbott is flying to the Netherlands to be briefed on the ID process]
    Obviously the Dutch have yet to discover the telephone.

  216. victoria

    For those interested

    Remember to watch #Insiders at 9am tmrw. Barrie Cassidy interviews John Madigan. The panel is @PhillipCoorey, @dwabriz & Gerard Henderson.

  217. Boerwar

    I note that the Australian ‘residents’ who died on MH17 have been promoted to ‘Australians’ by all and sundry in the MSM and the pollywafflers.

    Now. If you get a ‘resident’ who, for example, commits a crime on a train in Sydney, said resident never achieves ‘Australian’ status.

    The message is clear.

  218. Fulvio Sammut

    I think, somehow, that a application to a State Supreme Court for an immediate declaration of Death in these circumstances would meet little opposition.

  219. Boerwar

    Travel by air.

  220. Boerwar

    I can sort of imagine:

    Abbott to Rutte:

    ‘Where did the boy stick his finger in the dyke?’

  221. Fulvio Sammut

    Funny also that any Lebanese Australian, for example, who excels at, say, boxing, is an Australian, but as soon as he commits a minor offence he is a member of “the Lebanese Community”.

  222. Boerwar

    Madigan is still the only politician in the whole world whose response to a question on AGW involved a suggestion that his listeners purchasing Australian-made jumpers.

    Or maybe it was cardigans?

  223. CTar1

    mike – My bit of French language is learned on the run rather than taught.

    A friend who resides around the French / Italian border described it as ‘Fritalian’.

    Basically French nouns and Italian verbs. 😀

    But I get by when needed.

  224. Boerwar

    A couple of dozen people have been identified so far. But none of them have been Australian citizens… or even Australian residents.

  225. victoria

    Dont know if this was already linked today

    [dog days for team Abbott]

    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/dog-days-for-team-abbott-20140808-1020cn.html

  226. Boerwar

    CTaR1

    Just so. I have discovered that ‘Ou est le pomme de terre?’
    can often get you a long way in France.

  227. zoomster

    Boer

    Struck another of those at the National Gallery, which claims Marion Griffin (wife of Walter Burley G) as an Australian — for the five or so years she was living here.

    Just a little desperate, I thought.

  228. confessions

    [Pleeeeeeeas don’t let him try and speak Dutch to any school kiddies.]

    😆

  229. Fulvio Sammut

    So can la plume de ma tant.

    But fil de put gets a bigger reaction.

  230. CTar1

    vic

    [Remember to watch]

    Or not.

  231. victoria

    As per article linked

    [As Ghaith Krayem, secretary of the Islamic Council of Victoria, expressed it: ‘‘The effect of what the Prime Minister has done is put the Muslim community in a position where we are seen to be un-Australian by not supporting the government on the anti-terror stuff, and that they had to, in effect, buy us out by conceding on 18C. It’s just an atrocious way for a prime minister to behave.’’
    If the sceptics were leaning towards this second interpretation immediately after Abbott made his announcement on Tuesday, they were even more uneasy by week’s end. Among their ranks were Muslim community leaders, academics, free speech advocates, civil libertarians and respected authorities on counter-terrorism laws.]

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/dog-days-for-team-abbott-20140808-1020cn.html#ixzz39t84Fp7v

  232. confessions

    [For those interested

    Remember to watch #Insiders at 9am tmrw. Barrie Cassidy interviews John Madigan. The panel is @PhillipCoorey, @dwabriz & Gerard Henderson.]

    How unsurprisement. Insiders sees its first woman host ever return to her normal duties and the week following her departure it’s back to Blokesville.

  233. Boerwar

    FS
    Norty, norty.

  234. Puff, the Magic Dragon.
  235. victoria

    CTar1

    BCassidy returned to his usual ABC radio slot on Thursday. He made a pretty damning assessment of the govt thus far. But as usually occurs, when he presents the Insiders program that all changes. Weird.

  236. Keyman

    Someone posted a link earlier to Rob a Oakeshott speech – I do wonder if the vested interests that did their best to destroy him, Tony Windsor and bring down good government are happy with the damage inflicted on our country. A lot of very good people left politics after the 43 Parliament from all sides of politics I’m guessed at least partially caused by the vitriol and venom of the media onslaught and probably disillusionment. Mr Oakeshott and Mr Windsor were two of these and were part of a very successful and productive government, unlike the current one. They wee vilified along with Ms Gillard for what? Ideology?

  237. dave

    Hope henderson has practiced up on his turn polishing for tommorrow.

  238. CTar1

    zoomster

    Marion Mahoney suspected by many architects these days of doing a bit more than ‘line drawings’.

    Castlecrag may have been all her work while Walter was off having a ‘drink’.

  239. CTar1

    FS – A one track ‘pen’.

    Does it just write ‘Sh#t, sh$t, Sh*t, how did we get here?’.

  240. confessions

    keyman:

    Insofar as twitter is any indication, both O and W seem happy as pigs in manure, rooting around the rapidly decaying fabric of the Abbott govt, and the increasing tensions that keep emerging within the coalition and the respective partyrooms.

    Windsor in particular has been especially chirpy. 🙂

  241. zoomster

    CTar1

    Very much aware of that, still doesn’t make her an Australian!

  242. CTar1

    [Hope henderson has practiced up]

    Gerard’s daughter? Not really 😆

  243. CTar1

    zoom

    [still doesn’t make her an Australian!]

    That’s for sure. She mapped an armaments depot and manufacturing site in the Tuggeranong Valley. With a big Railway siding.

    Very American.

  244. Centre

    Insiders with star stooge Henderson on the panel?

    Poor old and slow Gerard, he really does lack touch with the electorate. If he had any clue he’d be calling for a new mini budget that could get through the Senate.

    Still, keep pushing the budget emergency lie, working a treat so far!

  245. CTar1

    Centre

    Haven’t you got football betting to be dealt with instead of wasting time here?

  246. Centre

    So when Rudd went overseas it was self indulgence but when Abbott goes overseas its not to shore up a few votes?

    Mainstream media are pathetic!

    The bookies should be betting on who the first to R.I.P. should be; the Greens or News Ltd.

    After News released some financial results – it could be close 😎

    By the way, FXJ performed relatively well as a result. The market knows News Ltd is dying.

    That’s the truth of it and good news for Bludgers 😉

  247. Centre

    Ctar

    I’ve already collected. God bless the Knights. We were lucky but makes up for Melbourne beating St.George after the siren sounded when I had my money on the Dragons.

    They bet $5 for Newcastle, rotten Bulldogs, I’ve only finished a neck in front not the 3 lengths it should’ve been 😀

  248. dave

    [ Poor old and slow Gerard, he really does lack touch with the electorate. ]

    A perfect icon of the abbott tories….

    Lets see what he bowls up on the am, but it will all be someone elses fault…and the *others* were worse.

  249. CTar1

    Centre

    I just wrote a dirty comment on your tipping over the last 2 weeks.

    A bloody ‘Server 500’ error flushed it. Bugger!

  250. Centre

    dave

    Sleep in, it will be a yawn from Henderson.

    Abbott doing great putting Putin in his place, Brandis doesn’t mean to weaken racial laws and we have a budget emergency.

    The stooge will repeat the latter three times…

    S N O O Z E …

  251. dave

    centre

    Yep, after all the Bludgers will provide a commentary.

  252. CTar1

    dave

    That’s the way I judge it.

    TV recorder on but not watching.

    Loud screams from here will alert me to any bits worth watching.

  253. Centre

    Ctar, serves you right 😛

    yeah 1 out of 8 two weeks back and 7 out of 8 last week returning to trend.

    So far this week, 2 out of 4 with 1 out of 3 winning bets including a $5 winner.

    My tips and bets are disclosed before the contest and as can be seen, I’ve got my nose in front 😐

  254. CTar1

    Centre

    [nose in front]

    Neck stretched. A perfect target.

    😀

  255. Centre

    Swans and Cats currently lead in the Ballet 😀

  256. KEVIN-ONE-SEVEN

    Mark Textor

    ”What Australians are now seeing is the Prime Minister doing what he does best and staking his position in the ground. In this case, firmly in the centre,” he said.

    Surely, this is satire

  257. CTar1

    [lead in the Ballet]

    At the Opera House *live* ?

  258. CTar1

    k17

    [staking his position in the ground]

    They’re really full of it.

    “in the ground” in Holland?

    A one way flight for him is good for me.

  259. nappin

    I am really struggling to see any valid reason to be traveling to Holland. To sign a book is not a valid reason (is there one for MH370?). He must be stopping over somewhere else …. But where?

  260. sceptic

    SNIP: See below

    He will have Tony putting on clown make up if it keeps The idiots out west voting for him.

  261. nappin

    Perhaps he is stopping in Syria to see our troops there. Oh, wrong side

  262. confessions

    K17:

    It’s completely ridiculous from Textor. Just look at the cartoons and out-takes cited in this article:
    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/team-abbott-rattled-by-loose-cannon-salvoes-20140808-3de5z.html

    That does not say middle ground “firmly in the centre”.

  263. Centre

    No try Raiders still lead Parra 10 – 6.

    The bookies bet Parra $1.25 / Raiders $4.25.

    The bookies judgement is worse 😎

  264. nappin

    I ticked the Eels box too. 2 out of 4 so far.

  265. caf

    The bookies’ odds aren’t from their judgement, they’re just from the weight of money. The bookies make their money from the overround no matter who wins.

  266. dave

    [ ”What Australians are now seeing is the Prime Minister doing what he does best and staking his position in the ground. In this case, firmly in the centre,” ]

    Fine – lets see them take that to an election.

    Polling shows abbott is in a losing position – so lets benchmark it with that parameter?

    Must be time for textor to show how nasty he is again on social media….

    Another icon of the tories…

  267. William Bowe

    Sceptic, as I suspect you are aware, the charge you levelled at a certain person in your previous comment is the subject of a defamation action. So going around repeating it as fact probably isn’t all that smart.

  268. Leroy Lynch

    http://www.news.com.au/national/campbell-newmans-lnp-government-bounces-back-with-softer-approach/story-e6frfkp9-1227019171673
    [Campbell Newman’s LNP Government bounces back with softer approach
    August 10, 2014 12:00AM
    STEVEN WARDILL
    The Sunday Mail (Qld)

    CAMPBELL Newman’s extraordinary apology and new, less-aggressive approach has helped his Government begin clawing back lost support.

    A Reachtel Poll has revealed a small upswing in the LNP’s primary vote, which had nosedived in recent months following frequent public brawls, particularly with the legal fraternity.

    …………..

    The Reachtel poll has revealed the strategy, dubbed “Operation Boring” by some insiders, has begun working, with the LNP’s primary support inching forward in the past month from 38.7 per cent to 41 per cent.

    The poll of almost 1900 Queensland voters found Labor’s support was unchanged at 34.4 per cent while the Palmer United Party had slipped from 15.4 per cent to 12.6 per cent.

    On a two-party-preferred basis, the LNP now leads Labor 52 per cent to 48 per cent.

    The most frequent reason voters gave for not supporting the Newman Government was the “performance of the Premier”, with 29.7 per cent of respondents indicating this was the key reason behind their preference.

    Almost 52 per cent rated Mr Newman’s performance as “poor” or “very poor” – a slight improvement on last month’s 53.1 per cent.

    The Government’s plan to reduce debt and fund infrastructure through selling port and power assets turned off 17.8 per cent of voters.]

  269. zoidlord

    @Lorey/1731

    Sounds like the public has been fooled once again.

  270. CTar1

    [I am really struggling to see any valid reason to be traveling to Holland.]

    Avoiding rigorous questioning even when he does the predictable cut and run and answers nothing is the reason.

  271. Centre

    Wrong

    Parra 18 Raiders 10

    Bookies spot on like usual 😯

  272. CTar1

    [dubbed “Operation Boring” by some insiders]

    It’s got ‘Operation’ in front of it.

    Tones will waste squillions on a Federal copy (no matter how well the Qld State effort works out).

  273. sprocket_

    [GhostWhoVotes ‏@GhostWhoVotes 9m
    @Bondles 2012 preferences. #ReachTEL

    Details
    GhostWhoVotes ‏@GhostWhoVotes 12m
    #ReachTEL Poll QLD State Primary Votes: LNP 41.0 (+2.3) ALP 34.4 (0) PUP 12.6 (-2.8) #qldpol #auspol

    Details
    GhostWhoVotes ‏@GhostWhoVotes 14m
    #ReachTEL Poll QLD State 2 Party Preferred: LNP 52 (+1) ALP 48 (-1) #qldpol #auspol]

  274. Centre

    caf @ 1728

    That might be so in theory but very Greens Party like in the real world.

  275. bemused

    Hey Centre, someone posted a link to a blog on here recently – http://loonpond.blogspot.com.au/

    I immediately thought of you and wondered if it was your beloved LOONS 😀

    You should love this:
    [Welcome to the land of the loons, written by a loon about loons, for those fortunate few who cherish loonacy:

    Hurry up. The loons! The loons! They’re welcoming us back.

    Look! Look! Oh, look, I’ve spotted the loons! Oh! Oh, they’re so lovely.

    I never saw such big loons in my life.

    The loons have been calling for rain all night long. Rain! Rain! Bring us the rain!

    That’s what the loons said, huh.

    It’s a dead loon, Norman. The poor thing. Oh, it smells too.

    – On Golden Pond ]

  276. CTar1

    bemused

    [Hey Centre, someone posted a link to a blog on here recently – http://loonpond.blogspot.com.au/%5D

    It sounds like ‘made in heaven’ for you.

    Post there. Post there.

  277. CTar1

    [Bob Day will introduce a private senator’s bill to revive planned changes to the Racial Discrimination Act.]

    ‘Bob’ Day or Dog Day – so many indies I’m getting ‘confused’.

  278. Centre

    Bemused

    Does Christine Milne look like Jack Nicholson in that photo (link post 1739) or is it just me?

  279. bemused

    Centre@1742

    Bemused

    Does Christine Milne look like Jack Nicholson in that photo (link post 1739) or is it just me?

    Can’t see either so must be just you.

  280. Centre

    Why is there such a long winter break for parliament?

    Is it because it is freezing in Canberra at this time of year. Well hopefully all that should change (global warming) one day so the pollies can actually work for their pay.

  281. deblonay

    Abbott seems determined to use foreign affairs to distract from his local failures

    The airlines disaster,identifying bodies,droppiing supplies to people in the mountains of Iraq…anything will do

    Is Australia the only copuntry other tha the Us tro be involved with the food drop issue?

    I suspect the USA must have hundreds of aircraft available in the region,so why would they want Abbott help ?

    of course they Don’t…but it’s all part of his world statesmen act
    I suspect it doesn’t much impress the voters either

  282. Bushfire Bill

    Bushfire @BushfireBill
    Follow
    No it’s not a misprint. The Daily Telegraph does it again: can’t spell, do stupid. #Auspol village idiots.

    https://twitter.com/BushfireBill/status/498100333206204417

  283. deblonay

    Re Brandis and his confusion re internet
    ___________________________________

    Does anyone know if the story about Brandis being computer illerate and never having used same ,,,is true
    That might explain his hopeless statements on the subject

  284. Puff, the Magic Dragon.

    deb
    A few days ago there was vid on the ABC showing Brandis working at his desk. I saw not one electronic item on it.

  285. absolutetwaddle

    I for one think it would be fantastic for our country to be involved with the food drop in Northern Iraq. Would also be pretty happy if we were involved in bombing IS into oblivion. If Abbott succeeds in involving Australia in either of these thoroughly noble endeavours then good on him.

  286. Roger Miller

    re Brandis, all the examples of the use of metadata by law enforcement I have seen have been from circuit switched networks (telephone) not from packet switched networks (internet). Is there any examples of packet switched metadata being used by anyone?

  287. markjs

    How’s this an amazing own-goal by the Libs:

    matt levinson @matt_levinson
    Liberals bought abbottlies.com.au & redirected to their home page (via @samanthamaiden) dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/liber…

    …unbelieveable …Lol!!