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Jan 16, 2016

BludgerTrack quarterly, and other stories

Quarterly poll aggregate breakdowns, state polling from Essential Research, and extensive accounts of preselection friction emerging from the factional warfare engulfing the Liberal Party in New South Wales.

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I have published a new seat of detailed state breakdowns from BludgerTrack, which points to next to no regional variation in the shift to the Coalition on Malcolm Turnbull’s watch, with the possible exception of it being particularly pronounced in Victoria.

Essential Research will resume its publication of weekly federal polling numbers next week – in the meantime, it has treated us to state voting intention results. These are aggregated from Essential’s polling from October through to December, with samples ranging from 797 in South Australia to 3205 in New South Wales, and follow on from a recent state polling onslaught from Newspoll, which you can read all about in the entries below this one. Essential’s results in New South Wales and Victoria aligned very closely with Newspoll, with the Coalition leading 56-44 in the former and Labor leading 53-47 in the latter. However, Labor was credited with a 54-46 lead in South Australia, compared with 51-49 in Newspoll, but was level with the Liberal National Party in Queensland, where Newspoll had Labor leading 52-48. The biggest disrepancy was from Western Australia, where Newspoll had Labor surging to a lead of 53-47, but Essential has the Liberal-National government with its nose in front, by 51-49. For more on the situation in Western Australia, I had a paywalled article in Crikey on Tuesday.

In preselection news, the finalisation of the redistribution process, together with the determination of an increasingly ascendant moderate faction to flex its muscles, is making life extremely interesting for the Liberal Party in New South Wales (as detailed in another of my paywalled articles in Crikey). As well as the threat posed to factional conservative Craig Kelly in Hughes, which was covered here last week, the following brush fires are breaking out, or threatening to:

• Most contentiously, moderates are talking up the prospect that Hume MP Angus Taylor will come under challenge from Russell Matheson, member for the neighbouring seat of Macarthur. The redistribution will transfer the Sydney fringe centre of Camden from Macarthur to Hume, and push Macarthur northwards into Labor-voting suburbs, cutting its margin from 11.3% to 3.3%. Camden is a power base of a local faction identified as the “southern cartel”, which includes Matheson and Wollondilly MP Jai Rowell. It had earlier been part of the Right, but recently shifted allegiance to the moderates, and its presence with Hume has weakened Taylor’s position, despite him having a considerably greater reputation as a rising talent than Matheson. There were suggestions that Taylor might react to such a challenge by joining the Nationals, but he rejected the notion yesterday. Even before talk of a challenge, Taylor had expressed his displeasure with the redistribution, which makes the electorate considerably less rural in character.

• Another member in the moderates’ sights is Concetta Fierravanti-Wells, a Senator and ideological warrior of the Right. Sarah Martin of The Australian reports that the moderates are “absolutely” confident they could see Fierravanti-Wells make way for Richard Shields, “a former deputy state director and head of government relations for the Insurance Council of Australia”.

• Should she choose not to retire, Bronwyn Bishop is set to face a challenge in Mackellar from Jason Falinski, a long-standing moderate operative who has worked for John Hewson and Malcolm Turnbull, and been state president of the Australian Republican Movement. However, Sarah Martin’s report in The Australian says state upper house MP Natasha McLaren-Jones might be another challenger, which is a bit hard to process given that her husband, Damien Jones, is Bishop’s chief-of-staff and has sometimes been mentioned as her favoured successor. Another potential candidate is said to be Jim Longley, who held the state seat of Pittwater from 1986 to 1996, and challenged Bishop for preselection unsuccessfully before the 2013 election.

• Also likely to face preselection challenges if they don’t retire are Philip Ruddock, in Berowra, and Senator Bill Heffernan. Sarah Martin reports that Heffernan is under pressure to make way for Hollie Hughes, the party’s country vice-president. Tony Abbott, on the other hand, is expected to recontest Warringah.

• Gilmore MP Ann Sudmalis faces a challenge from Grant Schultz, son of former Hume MP Alby Schultz, but is “expected to survive”.

Meanwhile, south of the border:

Royce Millar of The Age reports on a big field of potential contestants for Liberal preselection in the south-eastern Melbourne seat of Dunkley, to be vacated at the election with the retirement of Bruce Billson. Included are Paul Peulich, mayor of Kingston and son of veteran state MP Inga Peulich; Donna Bauer, who held the marginal bayside seat of Carrum from 2010 to 2014; Peter Angelico, founder of Dandenong steel bending company Kazed; Nathan Hersey, a member of Billson’s staff; Theo Zographos, a Monash councillor; Matt Berry, a former staffer to troublesome state Frankston MP Geoff Shaw; and Chris Crewther, who ran for the Nationals-held seat of Mallee in 2013 and now runs a consultancy in Frankston.

• The Victorian Liberal Party is sorting out a replacement for Senator Michael Ronaldson, who is quitting politics after being demoted to the back bench by Malcolm Turnbull, along with the order of its Senate ticket. Richard Willingham of Fairfax reports that candidates for the vacancy include James Paterson, deputy director of the Institute of Public Affairs, and Sean Armistead, a manager at Crown Casino and the Liberals’ unsuccessful candidate for Frankston at the 2014 state election. It appears that whoever gets the gig would have to contest a half-Senate election from the dicey number three position, since support is building for Jane Hume, a senior policy adviser for Australian Super who won preselection for the position last year, to be promoted to the top spot. The second position on the ticket is reserved for the Nationals, whose member is Bridget McKenzie.

William Bowe — Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe

Editor of The Poll Bludger

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, is one of the most heavily trafficked forums for online discussion of Australian politics, and joined the Crikey stable in 2008.

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  1. BK

    Good morning Dawn Patrollers.

    OK Potato Head, over to you!
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/selfharm-in-detention-centres-at-epidemic-levels-internal-documents-show-20160115-gm74q3.html
    And another report hammers Morrison’s actions while Immigration Minister.
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/no-justification-for-save-the-children-staff-to-be-banished-from-nauru-says-report-20160115-gm73s2.html
    The Huffington Post shows us how much redacted was the report obtained through FOI.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/01/15/review-into-removal-of-staff-from-nauru_n_8986876.html?utm_hp_ref=australia
    Customs and Immigration at LAX are bad at the best of times!
    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/greens-mp-mehreen-faruqi-stopped-and-interrogated-at-lax-20160115-gm6xup.html
    Life in the fast lane at the ANZ is about to be exposed by the look of it.
    http://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/sacked-anz-trader-patrick-oconnor-promises-more-embarrassing-revelations-20160115-gm6lez.html
    Lenore Taylor on the sham that is political donations law.
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jan/15/overhauling-political-donation-laws-what-a-great-new-election-years-resolution
    Peter FitzSimons is in top form this morning.
    http://www.smh.com.au/sport/the-fitz-files/malaysian-decision-on-farah-ann-abdul-hadi-showed-no-respect-for-women-or-common-sense-20160115-gm6mqa.html
    The latest “mean and stupid” cuts to paid parental leave raise the ire of probably enough Senators to trouble the legislation.
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/no-justification-for-save-the-children-staff-to-be-banished-from-nauru-says-report-20160115-gm73s2.html
    Come on Mr Morrison, if the Europeans can do it why can’t we?
    http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jan/15/apple-european-commission-ruling-back-taxes-ireland
    Underground fight club, Hell’s Angels and Jeff Fenech. What a combination!
    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/alleged-killers-link-to-underground-sydney-fight-club-20160115-gm6vkc.html

  2. lizzie

    In WA, fans of Stephen Smith will be interested in this: William Bowe @ http://www.crikey.com.au/2016/01/12/poll-bludger-wa-libs-out-of-money-out-of-votes/

    […the more creatively minded have long contemplated a Campbell Newman-style strategy in which a high-profile candidate is recruited to contest the election as leader from outside parliament.

    The target of this scenario is Stephen Smith, who emerged from his experience as the most senior WA-based figure in the fractious Rudd-Gillard government with little damage done to his reputation.

    When Smith bowed out at the 2013 federal election, the reason given was weariness with constant interstate and overseas travel.

    Such concerns would do little to discourage a move into state politics, and backers of the plan say they are increasingly hopeful that he will yet come around.]

  3. CTar1

    [Another member in the moderates’ sights is Concetta Fierravanti-Wells, a Senator and ideological warrior of the Right. Sarah Martin of The Australian reports that the moderates are “absolutely” confident they could see Fierravanti-Wells make way for Richard Shields, “a former deputy state director and head of government relations for the Insurance Council of Australia”.]

    Connie no loss.

  4. lizzie

    CTar1

    It seems she is a good worker amongst ethnic groups, but her very unfortunate ‘bitchy’ manner put me off her long ago.

  5. lizzie

    [Over the past decade Australia bet hundreds of billions of dollars that the rest of the world wasn’t serious about tackling climate change. It looks like we lost. World demand, and in turn the prices we receive for our precious raw materials, are collapsing under the weight of the oversupply we helped cause. While demand for coal stubbornly refuses to live up to the optimistic forecasts of Australian politicians, the price of renewables keeps falling faster than its most ambitious boosters predicted.

    The bad bets we have made on fossil fuels will haunt us for decades but, like drunks leaving a casino with empty pockets, we are quick to focus on the “upside” of our massive losses: It was fun while it lasted. I nearly made a fortune. I think that croupier really liked me.

    Denial is as common as it is unhelpful. The plain fact is that Australia hosed the benefits of a once-in-a-century resources boom up against the wall. While Norway managed to accumulate a trillion dollar sovereign wealth fund from the sale of its oil, we managed to give away such big tax cuts that governments now argue they have no choice but to cut spending on education. Worse still, we now enter the “renewable century” at the back of a pack that 20 years ago we led. Well played, Australia, well played.

    It gets worse. While our politicians drone on about how building mines “creates jobs”, what history, economics and common sense tells us is that it is the quality of our investments that matter, not the quantity. The hundreds of billions of dollars that we invested in the expansion of coal and gas exports that the world doesn’t want is money that we don’t ever get back. It’s money we didn’t spend on factories, public transport or educating our kids. Our future prosperity is determined not by the size of the things we build, but the future usefulness of the things we invest in. It’s not looking good.]

    Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/comment/climate-change-and-confusing-economic-activity-with-economic-prosperity-20160114-gm6ess#ixzz3xLbrhSWe
    Follow us: @canberratimes on Twitter | CanberraTimes on Facebook

  6. C@tmomma

    BK,
    You have duplicated the Trump link instead of the Baird story. One Trump reference per day is more than enough thank you! 😀

  7. CTar1

    lizzie – She’s not very ‘bright’.

  8. lizzie

    CTar1

    But – but – but – isn’t she a Doctor?

  9. CTar1

    lizzie

    [But – but – but – isn’t she a Doctor?]

    Not that I know of.

  10. Bushfire Bill

    Thought-provoking article from the Canberra Times above.

    We’re still ruled by a vested interest squatocracy (they call them “miners” today) that believes in preserving its entrenched position at the expense of everyone else.

    Cuts to education? Pay for your own kids’ schooling.

    Cuts to health? Find a doctor and subsidize his BMW.

    Pensions down? You should have invested mosre wisely, say in the Cayman Islands.

    Not enough tax revenue? We can’t tax big companies because they might go away. We need chaps like them to tell us what to do.

    Can’t find a job? It’s your fault. Any Tory politician can see that, from her helicopter on the way to another fundraiser. You have to be up high above the madding crowd to be able to detect these eternal truths.

    Worried about innovation? No problems. Our PM talks about it a lot.

    NBN speeds keeping your business in the doldrums? Australia isn’t one of those “ant-farm” Asian countries. We have beaches, and our friends, the celebrities on Reality TV to keep us warm.

    Confused? Read the newspaper. Click on any link and you’ll find stories about “Grocery Bill”, or Saint Malcolm… or if that’s too boring, Essendon. They’re metaphors for our times, you know.

  11. victoria

    Good morning bludgers

    Vic state MP is interested in following up Nick Ross situation

    [Pascal Grosvenor
    Pascal Grosvenor – ‏@pascalg15

    Philip Dalidaks, Vic Innovation Minister says he wants to meet w Nick Ross. & he will write to Mark Scott #ABC #NBN
    https://twitter.com/philipdalidakis/status/688001385258823680 …]

  12. KEVIN-ONE-SEVEN

    Fairfax’s failure to report on Nick Ross is shameful

  13. confessions

    Morning all.

    [Should she choose not to retire, Bronwyn Bishop is set to face a challenge in Mackellar ]

    Really, she needs to go and she isn’t alone in her party on that front either. There’s a whole mob of them who no longer (or never did) contribute anything worthwhile to parliamentary business save keeping their snout in the trough.

    Andrews is another like BBishop.

  14. CTar1

    ‘fess

    [Andrews is another like BBishop.]

    And Erica.

  15. victoria

    Hoping Labor and even the Greens push this along

    [Pascal Grosvenor ‏@pascalg15
    Hi @philipdalidakis what is Labor’s view on this ? no senior ALP politicians seem to have commented … @NickRossTech @TwitterAU
    Philip Dalidakis MP
    Philip Dalidakis MP – Verified account ‏@philipdalidakis

    I also don’t doubt there was intervention by Sally Cray @TurnbullMalcolm’s former staffer at the time @pascalg15 @NickRossTech 2/3
    5:56 AM – 15 Jan 2016
    4 RETWEETS2 LIKES]

  16. confessions

    Oh yes, definitely Abetz.

  17. victoria

    Lady Velvet Gloves
    Lady Velvet Gloves – ‏@Baxeybel

    New Labor chief is on fire! Kaila Murnain takes top post http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/new-labor-chief-is-on-fire-kaila-murnain-takes-top-post/news-story/dfd215a751a2c780787c3b06ca21a141
    The Daily Telegraph
    The Daily Telegraph
    Embedded image
    New Labor chief is on fire!

    KAILA Murnain has become the first female general secretary of the NSW Labor Party at one of the most difficult times in its history.
    View on web
    4:43 AM – 15 Jan 2016
    3 RETWEETS2 LIKES

  18. lizzie

    victoria

    Women always seem to get the hospital pass, while the men step back out of trouble.

  19. victoria

    lizzie

    Does seem to be the only way leadership roles are gained by women. Sigh……..

  20. C@tmomma

    lizzie @ 7,
    It makes my heart break to think of all the missed opportunities Australia has squandered in the Renewable Energy space because charlatans and clowns, like ‘Lord’ Goggle Eyes Monckton, distracted people from the main game of realising the facts about Climate Change and then taking advantage of the opportunities it presented to do something about it as we transitioned away from deadly fossil fuel use.

    Australia invented Solar Panels ferchrissake! I remember being at Sydney Uni when they were researching how to get solar panels onto people’s rooftops to provide hot water. The first iteration of the industry. We had the first commercial solar panel production company, which Howard gave a shrug of his shoulders about as he waved goodbye to it on it’s journey to China.

    Our Wind Energy and Wind Turbine production industry (and for all the posters who complain we don’t and can’t manufacture anything large scale anymore, well there’s your proof that we can and we do), that was left standing on matchstick legs after the junkyard lapdogs of the fossil fuel industry, Abbott and Hockey, gnawed away at it’s foundations until it almost fell over. Which, I might add it would have if it wasn’t for the valiant efforts of Bill Shorten and Mark Butler who went toe to toe with them to save the RET from decimation. Not, I might add, the holier than thou Greens, who could only snipe at Labor from the sidelines that whatever concessions they got from the government just weren’t good enough for their ‘pure as the driven snow’ policy approach to these matters. They voted with Labor in the end though, so that’s something I guess. Unlike their cynical approach to asylum seeker policy votes, when Labor were in power.

    We also have to give an ‘Honourable Mention’ to Geothermal, Wave and Tidal Power. Hopefully, in the years to come, when Direct Inaction is unable to sustain itself under the weight of expectations, we will scramble madly to catch up again. Luckily Australia is blessed with these natural resources as well.

  21. Jaeger

    But – but – but – isn’t she a Doctor?

    No, but she is a knight: Cavaliere Ordine al Merito della Repubblica Italiana. (Don’t they have dames?)

  22. C@tmomma

    Kaila was always the brains behind the man leading NSW Labor. As is often the case in patriarchal cultures. 🙂

  23. poroti

    C@tmomma

    [Australia has squandered in the Renewable Energy space because charlatans and clowns, like ‘Lord’ Goggle Eyes Monckton, distracted people from the main game ]
    We were stuffed before him. Howard defunded solar/renewable research in his first couple of years. Our then world leading photovoltaic and solar thermal researchers had to go overseas.

  24. lizzie

    C@tmomma

    [junkyard lapdogs of the fossil fuel industry, Abbott and Hockey,]

    Well put. Australia will run backwards for years unless something is done. It could have been so different.

  25. C@tmomma

    I loved the David Pope cartoon with Richard Di Natale as that kid in class who always has the answers, with has hand up dead straight! And Bill concocting a witches brew (?)/ science experiment, with onions. 🙂

    Pope is our most salient cartoonist right now, for mine.

  26. C@tmomma

    poroti @ 27,

    ‘ Howard defunded solar/renewable research in his first couple of years. Our then world leading photovoltaic and solar thermal researchers had to go overseas.’

    Yes, I forgot that was the ‘why’ our manufacturers had to go overseas to China to make a crust.

  27. C@tmomma

    Thanks, BK. 🙂

  28. victoria

    c@tmomma

    Agree re Pope. Me hopes that Shorten is indeed mixing a potent brew to be rid of this pathetic excuse of a govt. 😀

  29. Nicholas

    it would have if it wasn’t for the valiant efforts of Bill Shorten and Mark Butler who went toe to toe with them to save the RET from decimation. Not, I might add, the holier than thou Greens, who could only snipe at Labor from the sidelines that whatever concessions they got from the government just weren’t good enough for their ‘pure as the driven snow’ policy approach to these matters. They voted with Labor in the end though, so that’s something I guess. Unlike their cynical approach to asylum seeker policy votes, when Labor were in power.

    You’re a sad joke of a person, aren’t you, cat momma? When you aren’t boasting about being on first name speaking terms with sleazy non-entities you’re taking lazy potshots at the Greens for either being too idealistic or too willing to deal.

  30. alias

    I’ve been offline for a couple of weeks, so I’m wondering where things stand.

    Like the boys over the top at Gallipoli, are we still resolutely, insanely determined to go to the next election with Bill leading the charge?

  31. kevjohnno

    C@tmomma
    Looks like Bill is adding lettuce to the brew not onions. Iceberg I think.

  32. victoria

    I am looking forward to it

    [Julie Posetti ‏@julieposetti
    @NickRossTech Hi Nick, I’m just catching up this. Extraordinary. Is there a reliable piece that summarises the issues I can link to?]

    [Nick Ross
    Nick Ross – ‏@NickRossTech
    @julieposetti not yet. Mainly scattered over social media. Formal stuff coming next week.
    2:04 PM – 15 Jan 2016
    1 RETWEET]

  33. poroti

    C@tmomma

    The Germans, Americans and Japanese also very please with our gift of scientists, engineers and importantly the IP we “sent” them.

  34. confessions

    victoria:

    That may be why there isn’t much reportage in msm about Nick Ross – they’re waiting for the more formal stuff.

  35. Steelydan

    “Fairfax’s failure to report on Nick Ross is shameful” Oh please. I know how you guys feel about TBA but read this it is exactly, exactly how it is and what happened,

    The Grand Conspiracy as always is in Nick Ross head. He thinks he is important enough that the ABC gets to bend rules for him, but alas… they don’t.

    Nobody cares about Nick Ross… he was a nobody at ABC and he’s a nobody now. The reason he was told to stop posting NBN articles is because they were so blatantly biased, filled with such anti-Liberal bile, completely devoid of facts and instead filled with emotion that they violated every charter of the taxpayer funded ABC.

    You don’t get to go to the ABC offices in the morning and post your own personal petty grievances as if it was Facebook. You just don’t.

    http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s3713148.htm

  36. lizzie

    https://newmatilda.com/2016/01/16/the-abc-scare-campaign-against-the-debate-to-raise-the-gst/

    [It is one thing for News Corp and the Fairfax media to engage in framing public language in order to secure an extension and/or increase in the GST.

    It is —or at least it should be — quite another for the national broadcaster to be, at best, unaware of the implications of using highly politicised terms, or, worse, pedalling such politicisation.

    ABC journalist Fran Kelly is the serial offender in using the loaded term ‘GST scare campaign’, which frames opponents of a GST increase or extension as jaundiced demagogues who rely on a societal fear that has no rational basis.

    Leigh Sales and Barrie Cassidy are others who choose to use the pejorative term when alternative, descriptively accurate, and objective terms are available.

    …How quickly the political class forgot — or pretended to forget — that John Howard’s introduction of a GST, with the ready assistance of Meg Lees’ Democrats, was accompanied by an overall revenue reduction, on the one hand, and, on the other, a situation in which nearly half the tax cuts were directed to the top income earners.

    In being so desperate for what she saw as ‘relevance’, Lees – not unlike today’s self-perceived ‘centrists’ of the ABC – was prepared to overlook economic and social modelling of real relevance. She congratulated herself on improving Howard’s GST proposal because the tax would not apply to fresh food, and the personal income tax cuts to high income groups would be merely outrageous rather than obscene.

    The poorest would barely be ‘compensated’, if at all, while those on high incomes would be much more than recompensed. Additional tax cuts between 2001 and 2007 further redistributed income upwards, and eroded whatever ‘compensation’ was delivered to low and modest income households in July 2000.

    To not see this is to be class blind, and it is such class blindness that now permeates the ABC.]

  37. lizzie

    Steelydan, you’ve disappointed me.

    Last night I thought you were representing that rare poster on PB, a logical thinker, who might support the conservative side, but who doesn’t engage in phrases such as ‘anti-Liberal bile’.

    You’re still above the average Lib Troll, but be careful. 😉

  38. Steelydan

    Fairfax and the Guardian would have looked right into this and found nothing, they would have loved it to be true.

  39. CTar1

    c@t

    [I forgot that was the ‘why’ our manufacturers had to go overseas to China to make a crust.]

    Most went to California, I think.

  40. victoria

    fess

    We shall know soon enough if this matter gets any real attention

  41. poroti

    lizzie

    [Fran Kelly is the serial offender in using the loaded term ‘GST scare campaign’….Leigh Sales and Barrie Cassidy are others who choose to use the pejorative term …….The poorest would barely be ‘compensated’, if at all, while those on high incomes would be much more than recompensed……To not see this is to be class blind, and it is such class blindness that now permeates the ABC]

    Check out their salaries (2013) and guess which “class” they care about ?

    [Fran Kelly $255,000.
    Chris Uhlmann $255,400
    Annabel Crabb $217,426
    Barrie Cassidy $243,478
    Leigh Sales $280,400 a year.
    Juanita Phillips $316,454.
    Tony Jones $355,789 ]
    http://www.news.com.au/finance/money/leaked-document-shows-abc-stars-salaries/story-e6frfmd9-1226764149242

  42. C@tmomma

    Nicholas,
    Give the dog a bone. You’re not going to publicly humiliate me into becoming subservient to your world view. Go away and play with your 100% Recycled wood toys like a good boy now!

    While you’re at it try and give a bit of mature thought to the fact that The Greens are as cynical, manipulative of the electorate and advantage-seeking as any other political party.

    Also, if I see it, I will call it out for what it is. Despite the many different ways from Sunday you try to humiliate me into silence here.

    Those sort of comments by you are not very edifying from a supporter of the political party that supposedly believes in the fair and decent treatment of all people, regardless of age, gender, race or creed. I guess you just serve to show people that The Greens and their supporters and staffers are just as grubby as anyone else from any other political party. But then I already knew that.

  43. Strong UnionsStrongCountry

    [You don’t get to go to the ABC offices in the morning and post your own personal petty grievances as if it was Facebook. You just don’t]

    but dipsticks like Bolt and Ackerman can use media outlets to peddle their own brand of hate filled, petty bias, uninformed, ill-informed opinions as if on Facebook.

  44. victoria

    c@tmomma

    You gotta feel for Nicholas. 😀

  45. C@tmomma

    CTar1 @ 43,

    ‘ Most went to California, I think.’

    Plus China. I can remember one Chinese Australian, in particular, who was lured back ‘home’ to base his Solar Panel manufacturing business there and it formed the basis for the world-leading manufacturing industry that China now has in that field.