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	<title>Comments on: Pollapalooza – The Turnbull Effect Part 2</title>
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		<title>By: Cuppa</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2008/09/23/pollapalooza-%e2%80%93-the-turnbull-effect-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10998</link>
		<dc:creator>Cuppa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 04:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough, Possum at number 7. There&#039;s another thing I was thinking. Assuming there will be some in the community who haven&#039;t yet caught up with the news of the Liberal leadership change, I would not be surprised if there was another small bounce or two to come as these stragglers (for want of a better word) assimilate the news. &lt;i&gt;Not much&lt;/i&gt; of a bounce, mind, because those would definitely be of the non-engaged type. 

Do past polling patterns bear out this theory: the initial bounce, followed by the smaller bounce from the stragglers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough, Possum at number 7. There&#8217;s another thing I was thinking. Assuming there will be some in the community who haven&#8217;t yet caught up with the news of the Liberal leadership change, I would not be surprised if there was another small bounce or two to come as these stragglers (for want of a better word) assimilate the news. <i>Not much</i> of a bounce, mind, because those would definitely be of the non-engaged type. </p>
<p>Do past polling patterns bear out this theory: the initial bounce, followed by the smaller bounce from the stragglers?</p>
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		<title>By: Cuppa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cuppa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 04:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Cuppa for your thesis to be consistent, you would have to argue that those same apathetic people in the pub would be unlikely to know the name of the Prime Minister.]

So you&#039;re implying that the name of the latest leader of the Liberal Party (the third leader in less than a year of a party not in government) would be as popularly-known as the name of the Prime Minister? 

What the ...! Now, I know you&#039;re a Liberal, GP, and you&#039;d like to see your stocks raised, but this is pretty desperate wishful thinking. Sounds like chutzpah; do you really believe what you wrote?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Cuppa for your thesis to be consistent, you would have to argue that those same apathetic people in the pub would be unlikely to know the name of the Prime Minister.</p></blockquote>
<p>So you&#8217;re implying that the name of the latest leader of the Liberal Party (the third leader in less than a year of a party not in government) would be as popularly-known as the name of the Prime Minister? </p>
<p>What the &#8230;! Now, I know you&#8217;re a Liberal, GP, and you&#8217;d like to see your stocks raised, but this is pretty desperate wishful thinking. Sounds like chutzpah; do you really believe what you wrote?</p>
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		<title>By: Possum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Possum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cuppa - every new mid-term opposition leader in the last 23 years has received an immediate poll bounce except Beazley Mk II. Some like Rudd and Howard it worked out for, some like Downer and Latham... well not so much.

It&#039;s a pretty unlikely scenario that Turnbull didnt have something to do with these poll figures, and even though a large chunk of the population is turned off from politics, most still catch the news be it in the papers, on the TV or on the radio.

At the end of the day, the data is the day and it suggests a poll pounce with an extremely high probability. All we can do is really go with the data, because the alternative is pretty much akin to &quot;making stuff up&quot; :-)

Ari - I&#039;d love to see some Galaxy polls with voting intention too. More polls from all I reckon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cuppa &#8211; every new mid-term opposition leader in the last 23 years has received an immediate poll bounce except Beazley Mk II. Some like Rudd and Howard it worked out for, some like Downer and Latham&#8230; well not so much.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a pretty unlikely scenario that Turnbull didnt have something to do with these poll figures, and even though a large chunk of the population is turned off from politics, most still catch the news be it in the papers, on the TV or on the radio.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, the data is the day and it suggests a poll pounce with an extremely high probability. All we can do is really go with the data, because the alternative is pretty much akin to &#8220;making stuff up&#8221; <img src='http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Ari &#8211; I&#8217;d love to see some Galaxy polls with voting intention too. More polls from all I reckon!</p>
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		<title>By: Aristotle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aristotle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, your point is fair enough Cuppa - we can&#039;t be sure of the reason for the change.  But it is most likely to be as a result of Turnbull.  A change in leader always changes the dynamics for better and worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, your point is fair enough Cuppa &#8211; we can&#8217;t be sure of the reason for the change.  But it is most likely to be as a result of Turnbull.  A change in leader always changes the dynamics for better and worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Generic Person</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2008/09/23/pollapalooza-%e2%80%93-the-turnbull-effect-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10965</link>
		<dc:creator>Generic Person</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No 4

Cuppa for your thesis to be consistent, you would have to argue that those same apathetic people in the pub would be unlikely to know the name of the Prime Minister.</description>
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<p>Cuppa for your thesis to be consistent, you would have to argue that those same apathetic people in the pub would be unlikely to know the name of the Prime Minister.</p>
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		<title>By: Cuppa</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2008/09/23/pollapalooza-%e2%80%93-the-turnbull-effect-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10964</link>
		<dc:creator>Cuppa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Aristotle. Please don&#039;t get me wrong. I guess I&#039;m saying to the LNP, enjoy your bounce, but don&#039;t be too confident that it&#039;s a Turnbull bounce. The &quot;bouncing&quot; of figures might be due to natural gravity (the ALP coming back toward Earth with a corresponding lift in LNP), or any of any number of variables. 

Possibly it&#039;s due to Turnbull, probably even, but not necessarily.

Point taken though, the polls are what they are and we must take them at face value, aggregate and follow trends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Aristotle. Please don&#8217;t get me wrong. I guess I&#8217;m saying to the LNP, enjoy your bounce, but don&#8217;t be too confident that it&#8217;s a Turnbull bounce. The &#8220;bouncing&#8221; of figures might be due to natural gravity (the ALP coming back toward Earth with a corresponding lift in LNP), or any of any number of variables. </p>
<p>Possibly it&#8217;s due to Turnbull, probably even, but not necessarily.</p>
<p>Point taken though, the polls are what they are and we must take them at face value, aggregate and follow trends.</p>
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		<title>By: Aristotle</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2008/09/23/pollapalooza-%e2%80%93-the-turnbull-effect-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10963</link>
		<dc:creator>Aristotle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cuppa, it is true that there are various segments of the public when it comes to viewing the political world.  Some are as you say, &quot;tragics&quot;, others are moderately engaged, and some perhaps many, couldn&#039;t give a rats about most of it until election time.

It is also true that bloggers criticise the media from time to time about their self importance without acknowledging our own failings and biases.

However, when it comes to the polling numbers, they are what they are.   All you can do is take the results on face value, aggregate them, and track the trends over time.  

Essential research is friendlier to the ALP than the others, so I would like to see some Galaxy numbers, which tends to be more favourable to the L/NP, for the tally to be more balanced.  Still, it&#039;s an indication, and that&#039;s fair enough for now, and this tracking that Possum is doing is first rate.

In my view, the Turnbull change has unquestionably boosted the L/NP&#039;s stocks, but  whether that vote holds up over time, is another matter entirely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cuppa, it is true that there are various segments of the public when it comes to viewing the political world.  Some are as you say, &#8220;tragics&#8221;, others are moderately engaged, and some perhaps many, couldn&#8217;t give a rats about most of it until election time.</p>
<p>It is also true that bloggers criticise the media from time to time about their self importance without acknowledging our own failings and biases.</p>
<p>However, when it comes to the polling numbers, they are what they are.   All you can do is take the results on face value, aggregate them, and track the trends over time.  </p>
<p>Essential research is friendlier to the ALP than the others, so I would like to see some Galaxy numbers, which tends to be more favourable to the L/NP, for the tally to be more balanced.  Still, it&#8217;s an indication, and that&#8217;s fair enough for now, and this tracking that Possum is doing is first rate.</p>
<p>In my view, the Turnbull change has unquestionably boosted the L/NP&#8217;s stocks, but  whether that vote holds up over time, is another matter entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: Cuppa</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2008/09/23/pollapalooza-%e2%80%93-the-turnbull-effect-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10962</link>
		<dc:creator>Cuppa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mean, if the polls have shifted in the last week or so, can we be sure that&#039;s because the Liberal Party has a new leader? Most people wouldn&#039;t know or give a stuff. The shift might be due to any of an infinite number of reasons. The public are fickle when it comes to politics. We aren&#039;t really to know why they change their (current) preferences at any time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean, if the polls have shifted in the last week or so, can we be sure that&#8217;s because the Liberal Party has a new leader? Most people wouldn&#8217;t know or give a stuff. The shift might be due to any of an infinite number of reasons. The public are fickle when it comes to politics. We aren&#8217;t really to know why they change their (current) preferences at any time.</p>
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		<title>By: Cuppa</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2008/09/23/pollapalooza-%e2%80%93-the-turnbull-effect-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10961</link>
		<dc:creator>Cuppa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pardon my cynicism, but I bet if I polled a hundred people in the pub and asked, &quot;Did you know the Liberal Party has a new leader? And if so, do you know his name?&quot; I bet the numbers wouldn&#039;t be very high. 

Most people know and care very little about politics. As polling and political tragics we must not fall into the trap of pinning motivations to the public that aren&#039;t really justified.

On these blogs we often criticise the press gallery for operating in a rarefied bubble and assuming the general public gives a stuff for their ruminations. We should be wary we in the blogosphere do not allow ourselves to become the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pardon my cynicism, but I bet if I polled a hundred people in the pub and asked, &#8220;Did you know the Liberal Party has a new leader? And if so, do you know his name?&#8221; I bet the numbers wouldn&#8217;t be very high. </p>
<p>Most people know and care very little about politics. As polling and political tragics we must not fall into the trap of pinning motivations to the public that aren&#8217;t really justified.</p>
<p>On these blogs we often criticise the press gallery for operating in a rarefied bubble and assuming the general public gives a stuff for their ruminations. We should be wary we in the blogosphere do not allow ourselves to become the same.</p>
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