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	<title>Comments on: Spiffy Toys &#8211; Infographic Electoral Demography</title>
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	<description>Politics, elections and piffle plinking</description>
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		<title>By: Yaz</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2009/05/07/spiffy-toys-infographic-electoral-demography/comment-page-1/#comment-12892</link>
		<dc:creator>Yaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 09:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poss,
I understand the problems of defining class, either statistically, or financially. I was more looking at the crudest simplifications, such as level of tradies vs professionals in a given electorate. It struck me that many places may persist in voting patterns long after their demographic has changed markedly, due to the influence of family patterns of voting, politics of local government etc. etc.
Any thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poss,<br />
I understand the problems of defining class, either statistically, or financially. I was more looking at the crudest simplifications, such as level of tradies vs professionals in a given electorate. It struck me that many places may persist in voting patterns long after their demographic has changed markedly, due to the influence of family patterns of voting, politics of local government etc. etc.<br />
Any thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Possum Comitatus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Possum Comitatus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 22:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all the feedback folks.

I played around a little with maps for each division, but the file started getting very big very quickly - but it&#039;s a really good idea. I&#039;ll try and figure something out over the next little while - maybe using the google maps API on an additional tab within the app itself.

Yaz -  I couldnt tell you. I struggle to get around class based analysis because of the big, but simple problem of actually defining &quot;class&quot; itself. 

Don, those income figures are per week.

Bird of Paradox - thanks for picking that up. When I aggregated the electoral data by party, I completely forgot that Territorians feel the need to call their conservatives something completely different to the rest of the country. I&#039;ll fix that up for the next release.

The election result data is for the seats as they were at each election.Booth by booth data would be interesting (and maybe something for the future) - but with over 7000 booths, it would be an absolutely enormous process, not only breaking down election results of the past into seats of today - but also trying to fit 7000+ booths worth of data into a flash app that didnt take 20 minutes to load!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the feedback folks.</p>
<p>I played around a little with maps for each division, but the file started getting very big very quickly &#8211; but it&#8217;s a really good idea. I&#8217;ll try and figure something out over the next little while &#8211; maybe using the google maps API on an additional tab within the app itself.</p>
<p>Yaz &#8211;  I couldnt tell you. I struggle to get around class based analysis because of the big, but simple problem of actually defining &#8220;class&#8221; itself. </p>
<p>Don, those income figures are per week.</p>
<p>Bird of Paradox &#8211; thanks for picking that up. When I aggregated the electoral data by party, I completely forgot that Territorians feel the need to call their conservatives something completely different to the rest of the country. I&#8217;ll fix that up for the next release.</p>
<p>The election result data is for the seats as they were at each election.Booth by booth data would be interesting (and maybe something for the future) &#8211; but with over 7000 booths, it would be an absolutely enormous process, not only breaking down election results of the past into seats of today &#8211; but also trying to fit 7000+ booths worth of data into a flash app that didnt take 20 minutes to load!</p>
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		<title>By: Pica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 12:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh lovely! I&#039;ll be nicking bits from this on a regular basis, thanks Poss, :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh lovely! I&#8217;ll be nicking bits from this on a regular basis, thanks Poss, <img src='http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile-big.png' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: 2353</title>
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		<dc:creator>2353</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 09:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice Poss -and it even works on a Mac .

Congratulations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice Poss -and it even works on a Mac .</p>
<p>Congratulations.</p>
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		<title>By: Yaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 07:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The occupational demographics are just begging to have an analysis done by social class, and compared to the TPP levels. How much of the TPP is connected to class-by-occupation and how much to local history of such?
Perhaps you&#039;ve already done something similar, Poss, and I missed it.

Love the charts. Could waste hours...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The occupational demographics are just begging to have an analysis done by social class, and compared to the TPP levels. How much of the TPP is connected to class-by-occupation and how much to local history of such?<br />
Perhaps you&#8217;ve already done something similar, Poss, and I missed it.</p>
<p>Love the charts. Could waste hours&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 22:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wonderful, and I second the call for a map showing where electorates are</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wonderful, and I second the call for a map showing where electorates are</p>
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		<title>By: don</title>
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		<dc:creator>don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 19:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>? why does a green smiley face come out as a monkey? 

I say again, we need a help page where we can find the emoticons easily, as well as tell newbies like me how to do quotes and so on. 

AND WE NEED A PREVIEW FUNCTION!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>? why does a green smiley face come out as a monkey? </p>
<p>I say again, we need a help page where we can find the emoticons easily, as well as tell newbies like me how to do quotes and so on. </p>
<p>AND WE NEED A PREVIEW FUNCTION!</p>
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		<title>By: don</title>
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		<dc:creator>don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 19:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poss, that is superb.

I am amazed, though, that for New England that Education and Training is not even higher than it is - the prevailing mindset here is that the UNE provides heaps of jobs for the town. Maybe they mean the flowthrough to other jobs like catering and so on. 

In particular I am really glad to have income distribution and other social factors included. Are those income figures per week or per fortnight?

But a great program is never finished  - in version 2.0, could we have a location map on each of the pages with the particular electorate in a different colour  for those of us who are electorate maps challenged? 

:idea: :mrgreen:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poss, that is superb.</p>
<p>I am amazed, though, that for New England that Education and Training is not even higher than it is &#8211; the prevailing mindset here is that the UNE provides heaps of jobs for the town. Maybe they mean the flowthrough to other jobs like catering and so on. </p>
<p>In particular I am really glad to have income distribution and other social factors included. Are those income figures per week or per fortnight?</p>
<p>But a great program is never finished  &#8211; in version 2.0, could we have a location map on each of the pages with the particular electorate in a different colour  for those of us who are electorate maps challenged? </p>
<p> <img src='http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/idea.png' alt=':idea:' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-monkey.png' alt=':mrgreen:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bird of paradox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bird of paradox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 09:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got a couple of questions on that thing...

(1) For the NT seats, why is the CLP counted as &#039;others&#039; instead of &#039;coalition&#039;?

(2) Is the ALP/Lib margin back to 1996 taken over booths that are currently in the electorate, or just by the name of the electorate? Redistributions would affect the margin sometimes... I&#039;ve got Calare in mind, which got pushed so far over to the Nat side of things Peter Andren had a go at the senate instead (before he died). There&#039;s a large swing to the Nats there, but I&#039;m not sure what that means bearing in mind 1996-2004 the margin was Andren by about 25%.

Finally, have you noticed there&#039;s only three electorates in Victoria with initials N-Z? :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got a couple of questions on that thing&#8230;</p>
<p>(1) For the NT seats, why is the CLP counted as &#8216;others&#8217; instead of &#8216;coalition&#8217;?</p>
<p>(2) Is the ALP/Lib margin back to 1996 taken over booths that are currently in the electorate, or just by the name of the electorate? Redistributions would affect the margin sometimes&#8230; I&#8217;ve got Calare in mind, which got pushed so far over to the Nat side of things Peter Andren had a go at the senate instead (before he died). There&#8217;s a large swing to the Nats there, but I&#8217;m not sure what that means bearing in mind 1996-2004 the margin was Andren by about 25%.</p>
<p>Finally, have you noticed there&#8217;s only three electorates in Victoria with initials N-Z? <img src='http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-raspberry.png' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Grog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 12:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant Possum. Now we just need an election!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant Possum. Now we just need an election!</p>
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