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	<title>Comments on: Essential Report &#8211; Sociologists Edition!</title>
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		<title>By: OzPol Tragic</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2009/05/25/essential-report-sociologists-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-13391</link>
		<dc:creator>OzPol Tragic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS: I wonder, in this poll, how the Retired demographic was classified - by income (many incomes would be classed as &#039;poor&#039;; but untaxed &amp; with non-cash benefits) by assets (if they own a house &amp; land in what are now &#039;gentrified&#039; suburbs, they&#039;re &#039;well off&#039; to &#039;wealthy) - or whether their class was self-classified.  Many retirees with no other cash assets but the OAP belong to the &#039;asset rich, cash poor&#039; class whose existence opinion polls&#039; demographers choose to ignore (demographically, many of them are &#039;rusted-on&#039; L-NP voters).

BTW, from a statistical POV, a similar situation was discussed in the UK when Blair&#039;s legislation converted leasehold to freehold, with leaseholders, esp in London, gaining a share of the incredibly valuable ground over which their house/flat (even hovel, in many East End cases) was situated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS: I wonder, in this poll, how the Retired demographic was classified &#8211; by income (many incomes would be classed as &#8216;poor&#8217;; but untaxed &amp; with non-cash benefits) by assets (if they own a house &amp; land in what are now &#8216;gentrified&#8217; suburbs, they&#8217;re &#8216;well off&#8217; to &#8216;wealthy) &#8211; or whether their class was self-classified.  Many retirees with no other cash assets but the OAP belong to the &#8216;asset rich, cash poor&#8217; class whose existence opinion polls&#8217; demographers choose to ignore (demographically, many of them are &#8216;rusted-on&#8217; L-NP voters).</p>
<p>BTW, from a statistical POV, a similar situation was discussed in the UK when Blair&#8217;s legislation converted leasehold to freehold, with leaseholders, esp in London, gaining a share of the incredibly valuable ground over which their house/flat (even hovel, in many East End cases) was situated.</p>
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		<title>By: OzPol Tragic</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2009/05/25/essential-report-sociologists-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-13390</link>
		<dc:creator>OzPol Tragic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#3  Not if only 24% classed themselves as poor or working class! At best, add another 16% lower middle class.  Note that the demographic most affected is Gen Y - still in their  careers&#039; lower and less tenured ranks; many (?most) &quot;just bought&quot; or &quot;yet to buy &amp; still renting&quot; a house/flat; many still to start a family; many paying off the car, TV ... and with horror mobile/internet bills ...

Far more interesting (&amp; bad for the Opposition) is the margin of support for Government actions in the &#039;powerbroker&#039; classes: middle class &amp; upper middle class  Gov42/ Op43 (of 47%);  Gov37/ Op48  (of 9%)  - probably reflecting just how bad the Opposition&#039;s demographic disaster is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#3  Not if only 24% classed themselves as poor or working class! At best, add another 16% lower middle class.  Note that the demographic most affected is Gen Y &#8211; still in their  careers&#8217; lower and less tenured ranks; many (?most) &#8220;just bought&#8221; or &#8220;yet to buy &amp; still renting&#8221; a house/flat; many still to start a family; many paying off the car, TV &#8230; and with horror mobile/internet bills &#8230;</p>
<p>Far more interesting (&amp; bad for the Opposition) is the margin of support for Government actions in the &#8216;powerbroker&#8217; classes: middle class &amp; upper middle class  Gov42/ Op43 (of 47%);  Gov37/ Op48  (of 9%)  &#8211; probably reflecting just how bad the Opposition&#8217;s demographic disaster is.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Rodd</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2009/05/25/essential-report-sociologists-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-13319</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Rodd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t you think it strange no one was willing to put their hand up to say they are well off or upper class? Was the entire Demographic Sample all Howard&#039;s battlers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you think it strange no one was willing to put their hand up to say they are well off or upper class? Was the entire Demographic Sample all Howard&#8217;s battlers?</p>
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		<title>By: David Richards</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2009/05/25/essential-report-sociologists-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-13258</link>
		<dc:creator>David Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 00:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought Australia was supposed to be a classless society?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Australia was supposed to be a classless society?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2009/05/25/essential-report-sociologists-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-13257</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 00:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotta love that warped self-perception of class.

Any way to map that social status data against weekly income?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta love that warped self-perception of class.</p>
<p>Any way to map that social status data against weekly income?</p>
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