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	<title>Comments on: The Australian Centre Left Majority</title>
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		<title>By: Musrum</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2009/05/27/the-australian-centre-left-majority/comment-page-1/#comment-13283</link>
		<dc:creator>Musrum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 11:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What sort of poll would see the primary vs TPP diverge significantly?  I understand that the TPP is synthesised from the Nov 2007 preference flows.  As long as each pollster keeps a consistent method, I suspect you would have to see a big shift from Greens to FF (or equivalent) to move the gap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What sort of poll would see the primary vs TPP diverge significantly?  I understand that the TPP is synthesised from the Nov 2007 preference flows.  As long as each pollster keeps a consistent method, I suspect you would have to see a big shift from Greens to FF (or equivalent) to move the gap.</p>
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		<title>By: zoomster</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2009/05/27/the-australian-centre-left-majority/comment-page-1/#comment-13282</link>
		<dc:creator>zoomster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 08:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nup, that&#039;s an oldie.

OK, Poss, take you up on that once the redistributions have happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nup, that&#8217;s an oldie.</p>
<p>OK, Poss, take you up on that once the redistributions have happened.</p>
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		<title>By: Possum Comitatus</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2009/05/27/the-australian-centre-left-majority/comment-page-1/#comment-13279</link>
		<dc:creator>Possum Comitatus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 07:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zoomster - you beat me to it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zoomster &#8211; you beat me to it!</p>
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		<title>By: Possum Comitatus</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2009/05/27/the-australian-centre-left-majority/comment-page-1/#comment-13278</link>
		<dc:creator>Possum Comitatus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 07:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dio - I&#039;ve only ever heard of it in passing. Afraid I know little about it.

Zoomster - They might be faux independent parties, but their fortunes are still pretty much tied together. With a swing against the Coalition, a couple of coastal Nats seats will be in danger of falling in the same way that urban Lib seats would be in danger (and pretty much in the same rough proportions to the overall number of seats each party holds).

On the interactive pendulum, Antony probably has one somehwere on his ABC site. If not, I can build one - I&#039;m just a bit hesitant to do it at the moment with the redistributions in NSW and QLD being imminent - the boundaries of quite a large number of seats could change making the exercise a bit premature and redundant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dio &#8211; I&#8217;ve only ever heard of it in passing. Afraid I know little about it.</p>
<p>Zoomster &#8211; They might be faux independent parties, but their fortunes are still pretty much tied together. With a swing against the Coalition, a couple of coastal Nats seats will be in danger of falling in the same way that urban Lib seats would be in danger (and pretty much in the same rough proportions to the overall number of seats each party holds).</p>
<p>On the interactive pendulum, Antony probably has one somehwere on his ABC site. If not, I can build one &#8211; I&#8217;m just a bit hesitant to do it at the moment with the redistributions in NSW and QLD being imminent &#8211; the boundaries of quite a large number of seats could change making the exercise a bit premature and redundant.</p>
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		<title>By: fredex</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2009/05/27/the-australian-centre-left-majority/comment-page-1/#comment-13277</link>
		<dc:creator>fredex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 07:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zoomster
Will this do?
http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2007/calculator/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zoomster<br />
Will this do?<br />
<a href="http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2007/calculator/" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2007/calculator/</a></p>
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		<title>By: zoomster</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2009/05/27/the-australian-centre-left-majority/comment-page-1/#comment-13276</link>
		<dc:creator>zoomster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 06:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Just out of interest, how many seats would have fallen to the ALP if an election were held last weekend (with a uniform swing, using whichever poll average you feel would be best)?]

Is there an interactive pendulum anywhere on the net? I think there were a couple around prior to the 2007 election but am unaware of anyone doing a pendulum for the present Parliament.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Just out of interest, how many seats would have fallen to the ALP if an election were held last weekend (with a uniform swing, using whichever poll average you feel would be best)?</p></blockquote>
<p>Is there an interactive pendulum anywhere on the net? I think there were a couple around prior to the 2007 election but am unaware of anyone doing a pendulum for the present Parliament.</p>
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		<title>By: zoomster</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2009/05/27/the-australian-centre-left-majority/comment-page-1/#comment-13275</link>
		<dc:creator>zoomster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 06:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My gripe with this kind of analysis is that the Liberal/National Coalition is two parties, not one.

What happens if you treat them as independent parties?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My gripe with this kind of analysis is that the Liberal/National Coalition is two parties, not one.</p>
<p>What happens if you treat them as independent parties?</p>
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		<title>By: Diogenes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diogenes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 05:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poss

Way, way, way off topic but have you heard of the Policy Analysis Market and it&#039;s variants? It uses an Intrade system to measure the likelihood of an outcome with national security implications in it&#039;s more popular form. 

Agents and analysts from the CIA, FBI, NSA, Pentagon etc etc are given credits which they can bet on a market. The market has lots of possible bets. As an example, imagine it has one &quot;The House of Saud to fall in the next 12 months&quot;. Say it trades at 5%, but then analysts from various agencies see a few patterns and it goes up to 10%. Then the agencies know to look really hard at what&#039;s going on there and get info from other agencies which may all tie together and put the price up to 50%, meaning operatives are sent in to stabilise Saudi Arabia.

Assassinations, terror plots and coups are also predicted. The version where the public could bet as well got snotted on for obvious reasons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Policy_Analysis_Market</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poss</p>
<p>Way, way, way off topic but have you heard of the Policy Analysis Market and it&#8217;s variants? It uses an Intrade system to measure the likelihood of an outcome with national security implications in it&#8217;s more popular form. </p>
<p>Agents and analysts from the CIA, FBI, NSA, Pentagon etc etc are given credits which they can bet on a market. The market has lots of possible bets. As an example, imagine it has one &#8220;The House of Saud to fall in the next 12 months&#8221;. Say it trades at 5%, but then analysts from various agencies see a few patterns and it goes up to 10%. Then the agencies know to look really hard at what&#8217;s going on there and get info from other agencies which may all tie together and put the price up to 50%, meaning operatives are sent in to stabilise Saudi Arabia.</p>
<p>Assassinations, terror plots and coups are also predicted. The version where the public could bet as well got snotted on for obvious reasons.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Policy_Analysis_Market" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Policy_Analysis_Market</a></p>
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		<title>By: Possum Comitatus</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2009/05/27/the-australian-centre-left-majority/comment-page-1/#comment-13271</link>
		<dc:creator>Possum Comitatus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 02:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TD,

The best estimate for simulating an election recently was using the January-March Newspoll quarterly breakdowns, which would have delivered a Parliament consisting of 104 Labor members - a 21 seat gain.

Caf, there was a fair bit of polling up and down there as the final spasms of the Nelson leadership combined with Truffles taking the helm washed through the system.

It&#039;s hard to tell if it was issue based or leadership based volatility there - probably a good slab of both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TD,</p>
<p>The best estimate for simulating an election recently was using the January-March Newspoll quarterly breakdowns, which would have delivered a Parliament consisting of 104 Labor members &#8211; a 21 seat gain.</p>
<p>Caf, there was a fair bit of polling up and down there as the final spasms of the Nelson leadership combined with Truffles taking the helm washed through the system.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to tell if it was issue based or leadership based volatility there &#8211; probably a good slab of both.</p>
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		<title>By: caf</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2009/05/27/the-australian-centre-left-majority/comment-page-1/#comment-13269</link>
		<dc:creator>caf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 00:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Also the emissions targets, which were recieved with some disappointment, came out in September - which seems to correspond with the bump in both the Coalition and ALP vote gaps.)  Some of each major party&#039;s supporters (temporarily) changing their first preference to Green?

...or is a lot of this just an artifact of the way pollsters allocate preferences?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Also the emissions targets, which were recieved with some disappointment, came out in September &#8211; which seems to correspond with the bump in both the Coalition and ALP vote gaps.)  Some of each major party&#8217;s supporters (temporarily) changing their first preference to Green?</p>
<p>&#8230;or is a lot of this just an artifact of the way pollsters allocate preferences?</p>
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