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Jun 30, 2009

Open thread 30 June ‘09

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40 thoughts on “Open thread 30 June ‘09

  1. GavinM

    Marek and Zoot,

    I just put the words in the search bar.

    I don’t know how many links I can put in one post – here’s a couple, there are many more and I’m not convinced that they would all be lying:



    To be honest, wether the reports of him shutting down newspapers are true or not doesn’t make much difference — the fact is that he is a dictator who is trying to ensure that he stays in power for as long as he wishes to. His tampering with Venezuela’s constitution is ample evidence of this as is his government’s confiscation/appropriation of private property and industry.

    Once again I’m happy to judge him by those with whom he chooses to associate, Mugabe, Kim Il Jung, Castro, Ahmadinejad – as the old saying goes “birds of a feather….”

    This doesn’t talk about shutting down news outlets, but an interesting article about those Chavez supports — I really would look for someone else to admire if I were you:


  2. GavinM

    Hi Marek,

    All I can say is that there’s ample evidence around of RCTV being shutdown, here’s another link, there are plenty more but I can’t post all of them:


    If its back on air again now, I wonder if it is broadcasting the same format as it did before — not being familiar with Venezuelan TV I can’t say, but I have my doubts.
    The article you linked is interesting, but looking further into the website of the author, I have questions about his political leanings as well — he’s an admirer of Chomsky for a start, so I would hesitate to give his opinion any more weight than I would those of the writers of any other article on Chavez.

    I don’t know why you couldn’t find any references to Chavez closing newspapers down, I just typed in “chavez closes newspapers” and did a bit of page scrolling.

    Wether I like Chavez or not is irrelevant really, I think he can be judged according to those who praise him and whom he praises in return – Mugabe, Castro, Kim Il Jong, Ahmadinejad – need I say more ?

    As to Zelaya and the situation in Honduras, unfortuneately the reporting here seems to be pretty light on and I haven’t had time to look too deeply into it — as I said I read that he tried to meddle with the Constitution and the Supreme Court requested that the army remove him, so I’m not sure how much support he has or wether those protesting are representative of the majority of people or if they are just his hardcore supporters…It’s a disturbing sign that the interim President is shutting down the media, but then again I haven’t professed any support for him and it may well be that a wannabe Right-wing dictator is attempting to replace a wannabe Left-wing one — nothing much ever changes in Latin America it seems.

  3. Marek Bage

    Hey GavinM

    Do you mean Radio Caracas Tele Vision?
    This station?

    Now why on earth would a defunct television station continue a website complete with programme listings?
    A word to the wise… don’t believe everything you read about Venezuela in the US press.
    If you want to know what really happened between Chavez and RCTV then read this article.

    I took your advice about going to Google for instances of Chavez shutting down newspapers and came up with nothing.
    Not one newspaper, magazine or periodical met it’s demise at the hands of the thrice elected “Dictator”.

    I don’t care if you don’t like Chavez, many people don’t.
    However, I’ve always thought of you as a fair and principled interlocutor and would wish that you would refrain from regurgitating half-truths and outright lies about what’s going on in Venezuela and LatAm more broadly.


  4. GavinM

    Hello Marek,

    RCTV is the TV station :


    Can’t give you the names of newspapers, because I don’t know any the names of any Venezuelan papers – (past or present) – but a google search will give you plenty of references to him closing them down.

  5. confessions

    yep, complete bonkers. why would anyone try to defend the indefensible?

    there’s also this post having a go at Flannery:

    Tim Flannery, undaunted by the failure of his predictions that global warming would cause Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide to now be out of water,

    setting aside the flaws in mocking flannery’s predictions, isn’t it strange that Perth is now no longer included? Flannery made the same claims about perth so why hasn’t bolt taken him to task about that city as well?

    scanning the news reports from perth today is this:

    All sprinklers in the southern part of WA, and bores on the Water Corporation roster, will not be able to be used from tomorrow for two months, as the Government aims to cut back on water use. Garden-based industries will be exempt from the ban.

    Latest water usage figures show nine billion litres more than expected was used this financial year.

    The Government will consider making the ban a permanent winter fixture should this year’s trial prove successful.

    Funny how bolt’s rants about government water bans don’t apply to states with liberal governments. Flannery’s predictions about perth’s water supply seem to be spot on.

  6. confessions

    bye bye malcolm:

    Once a leader has their net satisfaction ratings drop to a certain level, they never recover, to the point where the leadership itself starts to pull the party vote down. Whether that bottoming out is achieved in nine months or 20 matters naught, for once it has occurred, recovery has never been witnessed. The only thing that differs with these leaders is the length of time it took for their party to remove them — but remove them they did.

    Turnbull on a net satisfaction rating of negative 33, where 58% of the voting public disapprove of the way he’s doing his job compared to only 17% approval, has reached the level where recovery is pretty much impossible. It might move a few percent over the next few months one way or the other, but a proper recovery is little more than a fantasy.

    On those polling numbers turnbull would lead the coalition to a wipe-out in an election. They simply have to replace him in order to give the new leader time to cultivate sufficient trust with the electorate so as to prevent a walk-over by the ALP.