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Do as we say, not as we do « An Onymous Lefty — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:56:29 +0000

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By: Mr Squid

Mr Squid — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 05:42:16 +0000

the problem for hartigan and the rest of newscrap is that the whole world knows that he and his yellow rags are incapable of telling the truth. look at their most recent effort:

Newscrap proclaimed, with no ifs or buts, that it had evidence of a correspondence trail between the Prime Minister’s Office and officials that constituted a request for preferential treatment for car dealer John Grant.

It proclaimed that it had an email that could topple the government. No if, no buts.

Neither claim is true.

It is clear that {You might think so, but it’s not supported by evidence and potentially defamatory, so it has to be removed – Toby}

It is also clear that {Ditto – Toby}

but will it ever tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth in this affair? not a chance.

By: monkeywrench

monkeywrench — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:36:45 +0000

Jeremy @7,
I think the ethos for Blair and Bolt is to shout your argument even louder when there’s a risk of hypocrisy. I’ve never seen the level of personal or collective vilification anywhere else that I’ve seen in Bolt……

By: confessions

confessions — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:19:01 +0000

And at 10.30am the first item on The Punch is “I ride fast bikes. Here’s what it’s like when they crash”.

the Punch is very blokey in my view. Yesterday there was a post about aussie, aussie, aussie, oi, oi, oi and last week something about how men should masturbate more to live longer. The logo too is very male-oriented IMO.

Yet Penberthy’s opening post when they launched said that they didn’t want the blog to be a “ranting, lowest common denominator site.” given the content and the branding, how could they possibly expect otherwise?

By: Ross Sharp

Ross Sharp — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 00:32:41 +0000

At 10.30am, the headlines on News Ltd homepage are …

Heartbreak hotels
Jackson funeral plans in disarray
Westfield targets misbehaving teenagers
Mass murderer wants computer in his cell
Escaped pet python strangles girl, two
Hewitt goes down in five-set thriller

And at 10.30am the first item on The Punch is “I ride fast bikes. Here’s what it’s like when they crash”.

The “future of journalism”?

Fuck me dead.

By: Jeremy Sear

Jeremy Sear — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:06:12 +0000

I enjoyed the irony of tim Blair declaring Hartigan’s “right”, and Andrew enthusiastically reprinting the whole speech, when Hartigan said this of their ilk:

“Then there are the bloggers. In return for their free content, we pretty much get what we’ve paid for – something of such limited intellectual value as to be barely discernible from massive ignorance…

Blogs and a large number of comment sites specialise in political extremism and personal vilification. Radical sweeping statements unsubstantiated with evidence are common.”

Are they really so lacking in self-awareness that they can’t see themselves in his picture?

I mean, I’m sure Hartigan, if asked to clarify, would declare that he doesn’t mean any of the News Ltd blogs, no, he means filthy sites like the ones he doesn’t control – but still, his words should ring awfully close to home for his own hacks.

By: Grog

Grog — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:43:33 +0000

The Punch comes across as David Penberthy and his work experience clique.

They give Bronwyn Bishop some space ffs. Yep that’ll really have the folks coming back for more…

I really have no idea why news ltd hate blogs so much. Jack the Insider blogs brilliantly on The Oz, he gets heaps of comments, he engages readers, does a bit of moderating of comments, has you coming back for more.

It ain’t rocket science.

By: confessions

confessions — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:53:33 +0000

today’s Crikey email contained the front page ‘editorial’ noting how Rudd and Gillard have recently criticised the Murdoch press in quite strategic fashion, something apparently taboo for politicians in the past. the editorial made the statement that the power base of media reporting is shifting, and the government is seizing the opportunity, as well as not feeling any obvious pressure from news ltd to worship at its feet. Not before time in my view.

We still need proper journalism, where journos get out there an investigate stuff, but sadly as utegate has shown us, that investigative angle is all too quickly corrupted by the media barons towards pushing the agency’s own political objective. Stripping away the political objective of news ltd, would the Steve Lewis, Journalist really rush to report the utegate email (complete with fake mock-up and wrong name) before conducting some kind of validity check of its contents and origin? would the Editor of the tele really rush to publish naked photos purporting to be of Pauline Hanson without conducting some kind of check as to its validity if the news ltd political agenda wasn’t front and centre?

Hartigan needs a serious dose of reality in my view.

By: bpobjie

bpobjie — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:43:36 +0000

I quite like The Punch as a site, but it really is a sort of high-profile blog site. I thought that was the idea. I would say it’s part of the blogosphere. I find it interesting, but it’s only a “brand-new” thing for News Ltd, not for the media in general.