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		<title>By: bpobjie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/purepoison/2009/07/07/journalists-to-check-sources-what/comment-page-1/#comment-9441</link>
		<dc:creator>bpobjie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catsidhe @7 As a non-conservative libertarian, tee despises both sides of politics and, no doubt, both Fairfax and Murdoch papers. However, he is so pressed for time what with his busy schedule of free-market-espousing and burger-eating that he only has time to criticise one side in any debate. So I&#039;m sure he would love to have a go at News Ltd, but, oops, there&#039;s socialists to thwart!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catsidhe @7 As a non-conservative libertarian, tee despises both sides of politics and, no doubt, both Fairfax and Murdoch papers. However, he is so pressed for time what with his busy schedule of free-market-espousing and burger-eating that he only has time to criticise one side in any debate. So I&#8217;m sure he would love to have a go at News Ltd, but, oops, there&#8217;s socialists to thwart!</p>
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		<title>By: Femmostroppo Reader - July 8, 2009 &#8212; Hoyden About Town</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/purepoison/2009/07/07/journalists-to-check-sources-what/comment-page-1/#comment-9429</link>
		<dc:creator>Femmostroppo Reader - July 8, 2009 &#8212; Hoyden About Town</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Journalists to “check” sources? What? - Pure Poison [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pedro</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/purepoison/2009/07/07/journalists-to-check-sources-what/comment-page-1/#comment-9415</link>
		<dc:creator>Pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got to agree with Jeremy.

Journalism today sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got to agree with Jeremy.</p>
<p>Journalism today sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: OzPol Tragic</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/purepoison/2009/07/07/journalists-to-check-sources-what/comment-page-1/#comment-9368</link>
		<dc:creator>OzPol Tragic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 02:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er, lost me there AR.

&quot;Erroneously held principle&quot;, fair enough; truth expressed with an intent to mislead, or clever choice of words to disguise the truth (equivocation/ semantics), yep; a truth used out of context so the meaning is distorted, OK; but &quot;erroneously held truth&quot; has beaten me.  Examples?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er, lost me there AR.</p>
<p>&#8220;Erroneously held principle&#8221;, fair enough; truth expressed with an intent to mislead, or clever choice of words to disguise the truth (equivocation/ semantics), yep; a truth used out of context so the meaning is distorted, OK; but &#8220;erroneously held truth&#8221; has beaten me.  Examples?</p>
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		<title>By: AR</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/purepoison/2009/07/07/journalists-to-check-sources-what/comment-page-1/#comment-9363</link>
		<dc:creator>AR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;erroneous information is at best worthless, at worst dangerous &quot;.
Similarly, an erroneously held truth can be more damaging than a falsehood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;erroneous information is at best worthless, at worst dangerous &#8220;.<br />
Similarly, an erroneously held truth can be more damaging than a falsehood.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Sear</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/purepoison/2009/07/07/journalists-to-check-sources-what/comment-page-1/#comment-9353</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Sear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Publishing unconfirmed information so that they can say, “First!” isn’t journalism.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

And there should be a cost - ie, if you get it wrong, we don&#039;t say &quot;oh well, at least you were first&quot;; we say YOU SHOULD HAVE CHECKED. As we should. There should be a disincentive to publishing unverified crap.

Because erroneous information is at best worthless, at worst dangerous - even if it is first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Publishing unconfirmed information so that they can say, “First!” isn’t journalism.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>And there should be a cost &#8211; ie, if you get it wrong, we don&#8217;t say &#8220;oh well, at least you were first&#8221;; we say YOU SHOULD HAVE CHECKED. As we should. There should be a disincentive to publishing unverified crap.</p>
<p>Because erroneous information is at best worthless, at worst dangerous &#8211; even if it is first.</p>
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		<title>By: Tobias Ziegler</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/purepoison/2009/07/07/journalists-to-check-sources-what/comment-page-1/#comment-9351</link>
		<dc:creator>Tobias Ziegler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I have a bit of sympathy for the journo’s: these days getting news published before other media groups is a major driver. The problem is, all of them seek to get ‘breaking news’ out before the others without doing a thorough checking of the sources.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think you&#039;re right that it&#039;s the motivation to break news that drives the lack of fact-checking, but I also think that their focus on news-breaking is the problem.

This comes back to the argument in Hartigan&#039;s Press Club address (and the statements of Christian Kerr and others before that), that what the media does and bloggers don&#039;t is break news. I&#039;d suggest that the traditional media has two things that most of the blogosphere doesn&#039;t: (i) the connections to pick up newsworthy information, and (ii) the resources and expertise to do in-depth investigation of that information.

Even if a news outlet breaks a story, it&#039;s going to be picked up by every aggregator and every other media outlet in no time. I don&#039;t see how being the first to publish gives much of a competitive advantage. And if people want unconfirmed reports of news the instant it happens, they can use Twitter and skip the newspapers and traditional media sites altogether. Publishing unconfirmed information so that they can say, &quot;First!&quot; isn&#039;t journalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I have a bit of sympathy for the journo’s: these days getting news published before other media groups is a major driver. The problem is, all of them seek to get ‘breaking news’ out before the others without doing a thorough checking of the sources.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think you&#8217;re right that it&#8217;s the motivation to break news that drives the lack of fact-checking, but I also think that their focus on news-breaking is the problem.</p>
<p>This comes back to the argument in Hartigan&#8217;s Press Club address (and the statements of Christian Kerr and others before that), that what the media does and bloggers don&#8217;t is break news. I&#8217;d suggest that the traditional media has two things that most of the blogosphere doesn&#8217;t: (i) the connections to pick up newsworthy information, and (ii) the resources and expertise to do in-depth investigation of that information.</p>
<p>Even if a news outlet breaks a story, it&#8217;s going to be picked up by every aggregator and every other media outlet in no time. I don&#8217;t see how being the first to publish gives much of a competitive advantage. And if people want unconfirmed reports of news the instant it happens, they can use Twitter and skip the newspapers and traditional media sites altogether. Publishing unconfirmed information so that they can say, &#8220;First!&#8221; isn&#8217;t journalism.</p>
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		<title>By: OzPol Tragic</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/purepoison/2009/07/07/journalists-to-check-sources-what/comment-page-1/#comment-9348</link>
		<dc:creator>OzPol Tragic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In the I-can’t-believe-they-published-that file comes an extraordinary rant by Conal Hanna in the Brisbane Times, complaining that - gasp - people lie to journalists!&quot;

Plato&#039;s &quot;Golden Rule&quot; &lt;em&gt;&quot;Do onto others as you would wish them do onto you.&quot;&lt;/em&gt; aka &lt;em&gt;The Ethic of Reciprocity.&lt;/em&gt;  http://www.religioustolerance.org/reciproc.htm has a long list of the same Rule in other religious/ philosophical texts.

I can&#039;t find any note which excludes journalists; although Hanna is far from the only journalist who expects the public to cop the cr#p but be all honest &amp; truthful in return: an &lt;em&gt;Exclusive Order of Journos who Lie &amp; Equivocate: But expect everyone else to tell them the truth, the whole truth etc in return&lt;/em&gt; perhaps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In the I-can’t-believe-they-published-that file comes an extraordinary rant by Conal Hanna in the Brisbane Times, complaining that &#8211; gasp &#8211; people lie to journalists!&#8221;</p>
<p>Plato&#8217;s &#8220;Golden Rule&#8221; <em>&#8220;Do onto others as you would wish them do onto you.&#8221;</em> aka <em>The Ethic of Reciprocity.</em>  <a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/reciproc.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.religioustolerance.org/reciproc.htm</a> has a long list of the same Rule in other religious/ philosophical texts.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t find any note which excludes journalists; although Hanna is far from the only journalist who expects the public to cop the cr#p but be all honest &amp; truthful in return: an <em>Exclusive Order of Journos who Lie &amp; Equivocate: But expect everyone else to tell them the truth, the whole truth etc in return</em> perhaps?</p>
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		<title>By: The invention of lying &#171; An Onymous Lefty</title>
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		<dc:creator>The invention of lying &#171; An Onymous Lefty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] July, 2009 &#183; Leave a Comment  Conal Hanna is terribly hurt at the discovery that what people tell journalists is sometimes &#8211; gasp &#8211; not the truth: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>...] July, 2009 &middot; Leave a Comment  Conal Hanna is terribly hurt at the discovery that what people tell journalists is sometimes &#8211; gasp &#8211; not the truth: [...</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: baldrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>baldrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a bit of sympathy for the journo&#039;s: these days getting news published before other media groups is a major driver. The problem is, all of them seek to get &#039;breaking news&#039; out before the others without doing a thorough checking of the sources. The internet has a lot to do with this, what with instantaneous publishing. They should check, but the fear of missing out on a &#039;exclusive&#039; breaking story corrupts them somewhat. Not all mind you, but enough. 

With print, there were deadlines but never instantaneous deadlines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a bit of sympathy for the journo&#8217;s: these days getting news published before other media groups is a major driver. The problem is, all of them seek to get &#8216;breaking news&#8217; out before the others without doing a thorough checking of the sources. The internet has a lot to do with this, what with instantaneous publishing. They should check, but the fear of missing out on a &#8216;exclusive&#8217; breaking story corrupts them somewhat. Not all mind you, but enough. </p>
<p>With print, there were deadlines but never instantaneous deadlines.</p>
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