What happens when you tell people they’re about to be oppressed
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This is totally not the fault of the hysterical polemicists who’ve spent the last six months screaming that Julia Gillard is a LIAR who is going to DESTROY THE COUNTRY and must be RUN OUT OF OFFICE, but here are two revealing exhibits from the respective big party leaders’ speaking engagements today.
First, the Prime Minister, confronted by a woman who just keeps calling her a “liar” who’s “lying” about “not lying”:
What lovely abuse dressed up as a question. She might as well have asked Gillard “Why are you the worst Prime Minister ever? Why do you hate everyone in this country? Why are you planning on selling old people to glue factories?”
Anyway, you’ll note how polite Gillard was to her and how no-one bundled the woman from the vicinity whilst abusing her. In contrast to the incident where a young woman who showed up at a Tony Abbott “community forum” was hounded down the street by Liberal supporters:
Greens voters aren’t members of the community!
It’s almost like there’s some kind of pattern in right-wing behaviour at the moment, isn’t there? It’s almost as if the validation from shameless partisan shock jocks has made them comfortable indulging in the fantasy of being some kind of oppressed people who are therefore more than entitled to abuse anyone who could be described as “left”. The level of hysteria, of self-righteousness, of completely unrealistic persecuted victimhood… it’s getting well beyond what we’re used to seeing in this country.
Another reason I get worried by all the News Ltd published comments that talk about how it would only take one Labor or Green MP… leaving… to force an election.
I love the way that lady talking at Julia says, “I’m not stupid”. Did her keeper lead her away shortly after?
I wonder if that man would have been so vocal if it was a 6ft athletic man instead of a 5ft 2 in woman.
How embarrassing, this is what happens when pensioners don’t have any hobbies.
The mouth was opening, but only stupid was coming out…
She can thank her teachers at News Ltd
This is a perfect example of the kind of fear driven idiocy they are guilty of.
Barnaby Joyce was shouted down at a thing today. Let’s all go crazy!!
Tony Abbott was preaching to a room full of cowards. It’s obvious she didn’t belong there. Braver than the lot of them.
Are we seriously supposed to think that the “you lied” lady voted for Labor thinking she would get an ETS but had she known there would be a carbon tax for three years before getting an ETS she would have changed her vote?
Just saw what happened on the news.
I’m glad that creepy old man was there to stand up to the thuggish leftist bully trying to silence his free speech.
Excellent question, kemp!
So what do the liberals want? More and more fucking pollution?
‘It’s against the law to intimidate people” she said.
“No it isn’t” he said.
I love you Shepherdmarilyn.
That bloody scumbag, tailing the poor girl like that. What right does he have to intimidate someone – to tears, even! – because they disagree with his out-dated views? Absolutely sick.
I don’t understand where people get off simply dismissing people because of some fact or another – political leaning, nationality, gender, age, etc. So many people arguing against the climate tax dismiss the views of the younger generations as “Not having any responsibility” or “not knowing how hard life is” or some bollock. Or there’s the standard “looney lefties” kind of response. What disgusting arrogance.
Wow. Gillard shown some patience and willpower. I would’ve told her to shut up instead of putting up with that irritating voice. I hope Jones, Bolt and the likes are proud of their achievement in creating unnecessary hysteria.
Conservatives : they’re all about standards of public discourse… unless they’re the ones abusing
Here’s the footage of the pro-carbon tax woman being followed by the Liberal supporter at the Abbott COMMUNITY forum. What an arsehole that man is. http://www.skynews.com.au/video/?vId=2555939&cId=Programs&play=true
And credit where it’s due, to those Murdoch journalists for their protection and assistance
That Declan guy’s a creep. There are definitely different security concerns when dealing with climate deniers.
I like this article – Facts assail Abbott’s Chicken Little act
Liberals would happily vote for REAL liars like Howard and Abbott.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvYzLIywCiA
After applying my blot tinted glasses I’ve come to realize that Declan Stephenson must actually be a GetUp plant to make the right look as bad as the left clearly are.
Don’t underestimate the role that right wing hate-talk radio is playing in the edging towards violence that’s building up. These “shock jocks” are using their microphones and nationwide transmitting facilities to work up conservatives across the country 24/7. On 2GB the hatred for Labor, the Greens, JuLIAR, Bob Brown, climate scientists, Ross Garnaut, GetUp, the Indepenedents, anyone who accepts the science of climate change, Muslims, you name it – never stops. It’s full on hate radio from the sewers of hell. There should be a law against it.
Dave and Jeremy, have you thought of running a tape across their programs; there’s plenty of Pure Poison there!!
Anyone else notice the slip where the woman was told she shouldn’t be there because she wasn’t in the party? Quick backtrack when the journalists asked whether it was a community meeting or a party one, but it still slipped out on camera.
For those that might want to see a portrait of a Liberal bully, here it is
Bad enough that they harass those of a different PoV in public but let’s not forget the verbal and PHYSICAL intimidation of Green Senators (was it Brown or Milne..?) in Parliament House after Shrub’s address, complete with armed SS goons.
Will @ 21, someone with the same name was thanked by Bruce Billson as part of his campaign team for the last election in Hansard on 30/09/2010.
The real problem is that that yob Stephenson has no understanding that his behaviour is thuggish overbearing and intimidatory. If it was his wife on the end of such boorish behaviour he’d {EDIT}
I’m no Greens supporter. But, my heart and best wishes go out to the young woman for standing her ground and dealing with an intolerable imposition. I teach my daughters, “Never take crap from anyone”. Good on her for standing her ground with dignity and aplomb.
http://www.tradingroom.com.au/apps/view_breaking_news_article.ac?page=/data/news_research/published/2011/7/194/catf_110713_180400_7008.html
Good old Team Labor, Harassed, abused, and even tossed shoes at JWH. Yet a small old senior confronts the PM and its now the end of democracy as we know it. Harden up Team Labor, and get used to more. Pity we dont have a right wing chaser playing stunts on Gillard on every trip out the door.
Now, that is assault.
Wonder if Ms Kasidis has the stamina to bring forth charges?
Mmmm…nope!
Declan Stephenson is a Liberal member who has worked for Bilson.
Time for good people to stand up against tea party tactics of division and rabble rousing before it goes too far. Decent journos and decent politicians from all sides. Yes, Malcolm, talking about you. Make a stand man before you lose what dignity you have left.
Does anyone still have the still image of howard trying to block, I believe it was simon crean, from approaching GWB when he spoke in parliament? It was the most utterly astonishing image – he was physically standing with his back to crean (I think) with his arms out, preventing him from approaching the president.
I’m sure I can’t have just imagined it, but it’s impossible to find now.
What a repulsive character that Stephenson is. I’d have loved to have been there to help acquaint him with the correct protocol in “community meetings”.
I cater to a wide variety of learning styles and am qualified in some quite innovative teaching strategies. He looks to be a kinaesthetic learner to me.
Someone is lying.
“Ms Kasidis said she received a leaflet about the forum while shopping in Frankston and when she rang to register, she was “scrutinised” as to who she had voted for, whether she was a member of a political party and was told it was “only for the business community”.
and
“But Mr Billson said the event was an open community one and there was no screening of participants.
“We invited several thousand people through the email addresses in my office, through invitations to community groups, local service clubs and the Chamber of Commerce and had flyers handed out in local shopping strips as well,” he said”.
Why would the young lady lie?
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/abuse-and-ovation-at-carbon-tax-forum/story-e6frf7jx-1226094058077
I’d have loved Gillard to have responded to that woman after she kept interrupting “are you making an observation or asking a question?”
If she claimed to be asking a question …
“so you’re interested in me answering then?”
If yes …
“Great. I’ll have a go at answering, and then you can make a comment, OK?”
Some old guy with his hands in his pockets following you around.
Intimidating stuff according to the left.
Meanwhile over in Brisbane Gillards getting the hard questions like why she lied to the entire nation. Of course her response was the usual bit of Gillie speak that “she didn’t mean to lie”. Thats like I didn’t mean to rob a bank… it just happened.
Gillard should just fess up and come out with what she is really thinking and that is, I don’t want the carbon tax but I really like the lodge and the Greenies are the only ones keeping my ass in power. That would be what the “Real Julia”(or is it the REAL REAL Julia we need?) would say.
@Alvin, post 14 “Wow. Gillard shown some patience and willpower. I would’ve told her to shut up instead of putting up with that irritating voice.”
Bwahahhahaha… Oh the hilarity. Julia Gillard getting upset upset about someone else’s annoying voice??!??!
Could you imagine it?? Pure comedy gold!
@ Goshome 31
Yes “tea party” tactics of rabble rousing and division are bad. Best we all resort to the tried and tested leftist protest tactic of outright violence.
@ Just about everyone above me. Grow up and stop sooking. It was an elderly gent wanting to have a chat. Yes, it’s true that he didn’t seem like the most pleasant fellow, but he never looked like turning the slightest bit violent. Also, the oddly dressed and even more oddly proportioned green voter did intentionally provoke a crowd that she had to know would be justifiably angry at this government. As someone who has personally walked through the odd SA street table, leaving a cloud of pamphlets and angry swearing smelly dread-locked socialists in my wake I sympathise with her plight, but also understand that if you put yourself that position it won’t necessarily always end well.
More and more, politics in this country (and elsewhere) is about the managing of perceptions.
Julia Gillard has guts and is a genuine, hard working and truthful individual. You only have to listen to her say “I truly didn’t mean to mislead anybody” to know she is telling the truth. The sad thing is that the woman confronting her was not open to hearing the truth. If she was, her question might have been, “tell me honestly, did you lie to us?”
Tony Abbott, on the other hand, for all his faults and low cunning, is quite adept on his feet at saying anything other than what he actually means and feels, in order to create the correct impression. There he stood, at a “community forum” stacked to the rafters with liberal party members and CCI members, and pretended he found Ms. Kasidis’ input valuable…. all the while he was seething and thinking how he would love to shut her up, what a stuff up, this crowd is supposed to be SUPPORTIVE!!!
Old mate Declan Stephenson is emblematic of everything I have always found repugnant about Liberal Party members at innumerable polling booths: The snide superiority, dismissive attitude, contemptuous air, arrogance and downright tendency to flaunt their desire to oppress one’s fellow humans. Sadly he is all these things taken to their extreme. At the end of the day, he was pursuing Ms. Kasidis because he was outraged that she dare to express her opinion and taint the little astroturf clusterf$&k he had so carefully orchestrated.
“She’s not a member of this party” Ohhhh, I Seeeeee, how dare she attend a community forum then.
This is becoming more and more par for the course from Mr. Rabid – pandering to the lowest common denominator is his special and only skill, and sadly the bulk of the Australian Media are willing co – conspirators in manufacturing his repetitious message to the ignorant.
Actually I’ve got a bit of grudging respect for both women in the first clip although the woman confronting the PM was obviously not going to accept any explanation. She said what she planned to say though. But the bloke’s attempts to interject were always unhelpful.
But agent, the woman in the second clip did nothing wrong. It was billed as a public meeting. She did not overturn the organisers tables or scatter pamphlets (you’re a real rebel aren’t you?), she asked a reasonable question. And the elderly gent wasn’t doing a lot of chatting out on the street, it looked more like looming.
I’m going to go through this trash line by line because I’m bored.
“Yes, it’s true that he didn’t seem like the most pleasant fellow, but he never looked like turning the slightest bit violent.”
Actually, purposely following somebody you don’t know – especially if they clearly do not want you to is creepy and weird.
“Also, the oddly dressed and even more oddly proportioned green voter ”
Two pointless digs at somebody’s appearance. I hope the rest of your post contains some semblance of a relevant point, let’s find out!
“did intentionally provoke a crowd that she had to know would be justifiably angry at this government.”
It was a community forum, not a party rally. Should Liberal voters decline from asking questions to ALP MPs out of fear at a community forum?
” As someone who has personally walked through the odd SA street table, leaving a cloud of pamphlets and angry swearing smelly dread-locked socialists in my wake”
Yes, you’re a cool dude. We get it.
“I sympathise with her plight,”
Hardly.
“but also understand that if you put yourself that position it won’t necessarily always end well.”
This is what’s known as ‘blaming the victim’ and it’s utter tosh.
JG was brilliant here. I don’t know if the woman she was speaking to left convinced, but she seemed to leave at the very least thinking. Julia could repeat all of this til the cows come home, it has little impact compared to the likes of Miranda Devine and Andrew Bolt who actually run the political commentary in this country. Commentary masquerading as news.
The guy in that Sky clip is the face of the impact of that commentary, nasty negativity subjugating the most defenseless members of the community in the name of greed and hate. I’m finding myself symapthising and respecting the plight of the Greens and Greens voters every day. It must be tough having to be subject to the constant hate and vitriol.
Agent, “but he never looked like turning the slightest bit violent.”
You obviously have no concept of bullying by intimidation.
“oddly dressed and even more oddly proportioned green voter”
You really are a disgraceful person and so representative of what I dislike about right wing politics in Australia today.
The Liberal and its supporters are the sooks. You didn’t win government, accept it, grow up and move on.
Agent is a Coaltion shill…nothing to see here but another dribbling idiot.
Cuppa @ 22 (and everyone else) :
Check this out
Right, I’m going to have a whinge now. I’m trying to sell my reasonably relatively cheap house, in a nice if somewhat overpriced suburb. I’m having trouble, it’s been on the market much longer than you might expect.
Now I’m going to blame Tiny Rabbit etc for some of this for constantly talking down the economy and damaging Australia’s interests (as well as mine) with this ignorant hysterical bull$#!t. I really hope it comes back to bite them in the @r$e big time.
Agent – you do know that that old git harassing the young lady was in fact a liberal party staffer/member? You do also realise it was billed as a “community” meeting (though clearly it was stacked) – I gather the nutbag didn’t (and you don’t) think a greens member/voter is part of the community.
You have to wonder at the idiocy shown by this man, and I note Abbott hasn’t come out denounced this mans behaviour – perhaps because its exactly what he (and Ruperts media) are angling for.
When an incompetent and illegitimate government like the Gillard Government lie to win an election, then try and force a policy on the public that is deeply unpopular, then the electorate is going to get angry. Gillard and her lying, incompetent government better get use to more angry voters confronting them in public.
I suspect that Gillard will no longer do her tours on shopping malls again as the ALP hacks now know that the Australian public feel cheated and are angry.
But hey. What did Gillard expect when ALL the opinion polls tell them that they are the most unpopular and incompetent government in Australian history. A 27% primary vote says it all.
“When an incompetent “
They’re not incompetent – we got through the GFC bloody well because of their stimulus program.
“and illegitimate “
How do you figure? The government is made up of a majority of MPs in the parliament.
Are you suggesting we reform the lower house and make it proportional? Cos I’d agree with that idea.
(But we all know that what you really mean is “not the Liberal/National Coalition, the only parties I will accept in government”.)
“lie to win an election”
They didn’t “lie”. She said she’d price carbon and she is. She had to change the method of getting there – but I don’t recall you calling Howard a “liar” for changing his mind on a policy.
“that is deeply unpopular”
Only because the commercial media and the Libs have been outrageously fearmongering and lying for six months. Wait till the public discovers that the carbon price is nothing like what they were told it was going to be like. That’s why Tony wants an election now – before his lies are exposed.
They didn’t “lie”. She said she’d price carbon and she is. She had to change the method of getting there – but I don’t recall you calling Howard a “liar” for changing his mind on a policy.
LOL nice regurgitation of ALP spin. It was a lie. She specifically said there would be no Carbon tax under a government she led. Now she is introducing a carbon tax. That is a lie to win an election. You can spin it all you want but it is a lie and a clear attempt to deceive the electorate to win the election.
Only because the commercial media and the Libs have been outrageously fearmongering and lying for six months. Wait till the public discovers that the carbon price is nothing like what they were told it was going to be like. That’s why Tony wants an election now – before his lies are exposed
If that was the case then why did Gillard rule out a Carbon Tax, 6 days before the last election? That was nearly a year ago. Gillard ruled out the Carbon tax because she knew it was deeply unpopular with the Australian people. The carbon tax was unpopular a year ago so your claim of the last 6 months is false.
radpipper:
The government is not introducing a carbon tax. The mechanism is a fixed price emissions trading scheme transitioning to a variable price emissions trading scheme. A carbon tax fixes the price of emissions while the level of emissions remains variable. A fixed price ETS fixes both the price and level of emissions. A variable price ETS varies the price of emissions but fixes the level.
It was a mistake on Gillard’s part to concede that a fixed price ETS “works effectively like a tax” because it actually doesn’t.