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The Far Right’s Day Trip To Canberra

You might have heard today about a couple of rallies by the far-right in Canberra. There was one by the anti-marriage campaigners (that News Ltd mysteriously calls “pro-marriage” despite the fact that their stated sole aim is to stop consenting adults they don’t like getting married), and there was one by the anti-Labor, sorry, anti-”carbon tax” groups, riled up by talkback radio and bused in by those same groups.


Greg Jericho has more shots of the rally on his yfrog account, including this hilarious sign blaming Gillard for floods.

And apparently giving some unhelpful shout-outs to 2GB, which is busy claiming it was only there to report, you know, like objective journalists:

Shhh! Ixnay on the nisingorgay! We’re officially just here as observers!

PS: Barnaby Joyce on marriage equality:

Nationals Senate leader Barnaby Joyce said his four daughters would be affected if same sex marriage was allowed.

“We know that the best protection for those girls is that they get themselves into a secure relationship with a loving husband and I want that to happen for them. I don’t want any legislator to take that right away from me.”

Does he think some of them are closet lesbians who might be tempted to marry another woman if the option were available to them? Really? Or does he think that men will just give up on marrying women if the option of marrying men were available? Would he?

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  • 1
    Deziner
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    Maybe it should be called the “fallacy rally” for all the illogic floating around that place. I hope I never meet Bob Katter or Barnaby Joyce in a dark alley. I don’t think I could control myself.

  • 2
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

    WIIWTLA violence?

  • 3
    Deziner
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 6:25 pm | Permalink

    Took me a while to figure that one out, but I’m happy to cop that on the chin. I’ve had to put up with being oppressed by the Christian bigots like Katter and Joyce my entire life, so long that I just don’t think I could do anything other spit on them if I came close enough. Seriously, my self-control has been exhausted over this. They’re beyond redemption, you can’t discuss the issue with them, and it might make me feel a bit better.

    These middle-aged, Christian, white, upper-middle-class men wouldn’t know oppression if it bit them on the arse, yet they’re happy to play the martyr card at every opportunity.

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    Trevor
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    You have to give it to Barnaby, he is brilliant. Heck Barnaby this could also be retrospective and annul existing marriages between men and women. There is something to get the folks up in arms about.

  • 5
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    The best bit was when Jericho was accused of being “from the Kremlin” and eventually pegged as some sort of ALP snoop.

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    shepherdmarilyn
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    What precisely are they whinging about though? A tax they won’t be paying?

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    jules
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 7:24 pm | Permalink

    Last night I was listening to Joyce going on about protecting aquifers and thinking wow we actually agree on something. He sounded reasonable and I was beginning to think he might actually have a brain in there somewhere. Should have known it wouldn’t last.

    Abbott was loving it today. Smug git.

  • 8
    Duncan
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    Yeah know what you mean jules.

    Joyce sounded completely sane when discussing the protection of farmland and aquifers from pollution, but he seems to switch his brain off at the mention of a certain invisible, odorless, ‘weightless’ gas (which is plant food)

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    SonofMogh
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    Was there anyone there under 60?

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

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    Sharkie
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

    In the USA, progressives conduct interviews with the tea party lunatics at those types of rallies. It is a great source of material to pursuade normal people how wacky the majority of conservatives are. I just hope some people took the opportunity to break out the video camera today to record the angry, old, and completely irrational mob in canberra.

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    Mr Freak
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    Look, Sir Barnsworth of Joyce is confused. The poor dear obviously doesn’t understand what marriage is, and will be sitting on his porch, with his shotgun, whilst whittling, as his daughters all sit reading their prayer-books.

    I am truly sickened by the carry-on by the blue rinse set today. Embarrassing themselves over something they have absolutely no single idea on how it works shows how a frenzy can be whipped up by fools…and which age group are the most gullible!

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    Jack Sparraaggghhh
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    Angry truckers head for Canberra,” reports the ABC.

    Fascinating! These guys won’t undertake any action to improve their working conditions and try to resolve the problems in their industry, but they’ll rally ’til Kingdom Come over a mining, carbon, or whatever govt-policy-du-jour has raised their ire.

    Their convictions must be consientiously and sincerely held, because they’re going to rally all the way from the Pilbara in their rigs at their own expense.

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    quantize
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

    Statistically there must be at least that many insane losers with time to spare…god knows we have to read the idiotic shit that write on the internet

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    Posted August 16, 2011 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    “In the USA, progressives conduct interviews with the tea party lunatics at those types of rallies. It is a great source of material to pursuade normal people how wacky the majority of conservatives are. I just hope some people took the opportunity to break out the video camera today to record the angry, old, and completely irrational mob in canberra.”

    Yes, I hope there were some progressive documentary-makers there, too. (If you were, we’d love to see some of your footage.)

    If not, NEXT TIME.

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    Coldsnacks
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

    Quote of the day HAD to be from Barnaby at the marriage rally:

    I’ve been kicked in the head by a horse

    As some wag on Twitter (*cough*) said, that explains a lot.

    I think his point was along the lines of “I know what a horse is, so don’t try and tell me it’s a camel”. How that relates to people marrying, well, who knows….

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    Angra
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    Why are some of you lot being so ageist? It’s like saying the London riots were caused by black people.

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    Posted August 16, 2011 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    That’s very true, Angra. There are many older people who are not gullible saps who are stupid enough to think a price on carbon is going to actually destroy the country and are so ludicrously paranoid about it that they went to Canberra today to scream about it. There are many older people who are not illogical bigots who think that ending discrimination against gays will somehow ruin their or their children’s marriages.

    But it appears that there aren’t many such saps and bigots who aren’t older people.

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    Angra
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

    Jeremy – so how old is Chomsky?

    Look to your own postings which criticise those who say…

    ‘There aren’t many terrorists who aren’t Muslims’ or ‘There aren’t many Greenies who are not Marxists…’

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    SHV
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

    “I don’t want any legislator taking that right away from ME”

    What “right” is that Barnaby? The right for your daughters to marry guys like you? Wouldn’t that be THEIR right?

    Saw Barnaby many years ago when he was a fresh-boy senator, he was at a community meeting at Warwick explaining how he just had to do a deal with the hated Libs to agree to the sale of Telstra otherwise someone else would do a deal – and that would be bad m’kay.

    The good folk of Warwick were very unhappy, poor old Barnaby was trying very hard to explain his position and looked genuinely vexed. Shortly afterwards he had a turn (heart? anyway it briefly put him in hospital) and he was bashed up metaphorically by Heffernan.

    Never been the same since.

    I don’t know how the kick in the head from the horse affected him, but crossing the Howard ferals appeared to really put the wind up him.

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    Angra
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 9:30 pm | Permalink

    I think you should look at the demographics of the average AB/Jones/Ackerman/TB/Devine etc commentators. It is not age that defines them – it is stupidity.

    In fact the very audience for these far-right commentators seems to be the very same alienated and ignorant ‘youf’ that caused the London riots. I didn’t see many over ’60′s in the Cronulla race riots.

    Stop dissing us oldies.

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    Lord Barry Bonkton
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    So how many Jones listeners were at the Tony’s Tea Party at Canberra today ? With my Ltd News Googles on , it looked about 3 Million. B.J did a head count at 5.792 Million Trillions.

  • 22
    Angra
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

    “There aren’t many such saps and bigots who aren’t older people”.

    Did you really mean to say that? Otherwise you have lost all credibility.

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    jules
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    “There aren’t many such saps and bigots who aren’t older people”.

    Did you really mean to say that? Otherwise you have lost all credibility.

    Yeah wtf? Both my parents are over 60 and are neither bigoted nor saps, yet I know plenty of dumb fuck morons under 30 who think the carbon tax is evil and AGW isn’t happening. Fuck – all those evil old thugs that rioted in Cronulla, that wear flags as capes at Big Day Out, those old bastards. Make me scared to go out at night. The old pricks. Or not.

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    Angra
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    Also how old are Rundle, Keane, Mayne, and Beecher?

    Cutting off the branch you are sitting on I think Jeremy.

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    Max Power
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    “But it appears that there aren’t many such saps and bigots who aren’t older people.”

    Sure there are. Idiocy knows no bounds. But even your garden variety idiot knows better than to waste a day Canberra. But your older idiots… well they kinda like the place. I guess they’re drawn to its green, boxy blandness and limited cultural diversity.

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    Corvus
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    That banner just makes me want to cry. There’s no logic or rationality left in this conversation, these people are deranged with fear and hatred.

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    Angra
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    Corvus – please explain. “Saps and Bigots… oldies” was the response from Crikey’s own Jeremy Sear.

    Max – you are right. It seems to have infected Crikey.

    A New Model Dictionary.

    Black = bad
    Muslims = more bad
    Underclass whites = as bad as blacks
    Oldies = just as bad, and Abott’s bitches
    Australian Muslim = worse than Black or Muslim (see Hicks)
    People who protest = well, those we like are good, those we hate are bad.
    Oldies = saps and bigots
    Rundle, Keane, Mayne, and Beecher = well they’re over 60 so they must be bad (see Muslims, Blacks and Underclass above)
    Oldies = saps and bigots – including all the original proprietors of Crikey and all the old buggers who post.
    Self destruction = Jeremy Sear

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    Jack Sparraaggghhh
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    Just saw on Lateline that Angry ‘We Can Rule The Streets’ Anderson (whose work with Rose Tattoo arguably helped inspire the UK riots) put in an appearance at the Canberra rally today.

    He made a rather strange remark, which I didn’t quite catch, about ‘divine inspiration’ or something. What’s that all about, then? Anyone else catch that one?

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    Fiz
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 11:10 pm | Permalink

    In the USA, progressives conduct interviews with the tea party lunatics at those types of rallies. It is a great source of material to pursuade normal people how wacky the majority of conservatives are.

    Saw that in spades on Lateline this evening at the anti-marriage rally. A woman from something called the Heritage Foundation actually said that allowing same-sex marriage would lead to polygamy and adults marrying children. According to her this is about fighting to save the human race. People like her need to be on the 6pm news. Average Joe needs to know the depth of the crazy out there right now.

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    Cuppa
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    Angra
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    Why are some of you lot being so ageist? It’s like saying the London riots were caused by black people.

    Listeners to talkback radio tend to be of the older generation. Check any ratings results which give the breakdown of stations and their biggest age cohorts. As a general observation you can say that the older the radio listener, the more likely they are to be a talkback radio listener.

    Now, what follows isn’t t an ageist comment, but the fact is, people of that generation are not as well educated as youth going through the system today. Finishing High School was not common in their era, let alone Tertiary training. So there’s a generation of people, not necessarily very clued in, who are soft targets for the hectoring, scare and spin that forms the foundation of programming on Liberal agenda talkback radio.

    Of course they must also WANT to be stirred up, otherwise they wouldn’t listen to that vile rubbish, so they can’t be held entirely not responsible.

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    Jack Sparraaggghhh
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    Fiz, what was truly worrying was that people like Barnaby, Kevin Andrews, &c. sat there listening respectfully with rapt, beatific expressions.

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    Cuppa
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    There always seems to be the errant placement of apostrophes at rallie’s by right winger’s.

    http://yfrog.com/gzm14cxsj

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    Fiz
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

    Jack:
    My concern was the presence of Labor MP John Reid. I understand his electorate has a significant conservative religious demographic, but I think he could raise his disagreement and get that information out to his electorate without having to associate himself with people who were openly criticising – and being disparaging about – his colleague, Penny Wong and her family. These were not people who were being respectful in their disagreement, they were openly full of bigotry. Such an ethically bereft group of people to throw your lot in with shows poor judgement on his behalf.

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    jules
    Posted August 16, 2011 at 11:54 pm | Permalink

    Now, what follows isn’t t an ageist comment, but the fact is, people of that generation are not as well educated as youth going through the system today.

    not that different to

    Blacks are the root of the problem – no education, no work and feral.

    You’re not a racist but … I’m sure some of your best friends are old people and blah blah blah. Seriously – think about what you just said. BTW Both my parents are over 60, tertiary educated (i’m not) and my old (aged??) girl was on the steering committee for this:

    http://www.environment.gov.au/education/publications/pubs/sustainable-future.pdf

    Which no doubt makes her one of those evil warmist conspirators who should be shot or whatever.

    Also that crowd didn’t look that old. There definitely didn’t seem to be many people under 25 tho.

    Its stupid to assume this is just “old people that listen to shock jocks”. Heaps of younger people listen to shock jocks too, especially on building sites, (Building school halls and cursing the govt that funded them sometimes) in transport depos etcetc and … well many blue collar workplaces.

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    SHV
    Posted August 17, 2011 at 12:10 am | Permalink

    On christian fundamentalism, free market ideology and our corrupted democracy – I recommend “The Family” by Jeff Sharlett.

    Even our ‘aethist’ leaders are caught up in this power machine.

    It’s not ‘Left’ or ‘Right’ anymore, it is very much ‘them’ versus ‘us’.

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    SHV
    Posted August 17, 2011 at 12:12 am | Permalink

    ‘atheist’

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    4billion
    Posted August 17, 2011 at 2:02 am | Permalink

    So I take it from ‘yfrog’ sign they are against live cattle export, that comes as a surprise.

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    Eponymous
    Posted August 17, 2011 at 6:24 am | Permalink

    I might just end up trolling Angra here, but my understanding was that the anti-AGW demographic is demonstrably skewed to older people; surveys indicate this to be true. That doesn’t mean that all oldies are ignorant bigots. Quite the opposite IMHO, because those that are pro-doing-something-about-AGW show themselves to be selfless and considered.

    Living in Canberra we’re all very excited about the Convoy of No Confidence. It will be *amazing*. Apparently their stated aim is to gridlock Canberra until an election is called, to protest against the way this carbon tax is going to destroy their livelihoods. Apparently the leader is spending $7000 on fuel and taking an open ended break from work. That’ll show them!

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    Jaeger
    Posted August 17, 2011 at 7:33 am | Permalink

    You were right the first time, SHV… CO2 is aether: “that which God used in the delineation of the universe” – unwashed heathen Left vs. loonie Christian Right.

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    monkeywrench
    Posted August 17, 2011 at 7:55 am | Permalink

    I am continually amazed at the coverage given to Angry Anderson whenever he pops up. I saw Rose Tattoo as a support act in a pub in the late 70′s. They were shite. Anderson couldn’t, and still can’t, sing for catpiss, their guitarist played like he had brand new hand transplants donated by a bricklayer, and their sound was an overdriven mess. Their songs were inane “rawk” cliches, and the audience got bored and wandered off. Subsequent attempts by me to investigate whether my first impressions were unfair have been failures.
    Anderson is one of those “small pond” examples where, if you hang around long enough and blow your own trumpet in as many different social situations as you can, the media come to treat you as some sort of icon. I reckon he’s popping up on the carbon tax issue because he hasn’t been in the papers much lately, and sees this as a convenient vehicle. It could only happen in Australia, and in its own way, exactly sums this country up.

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    Rich Uncle Skeleton
    Posted August 17, 2011 at 8:09 am | Permalink

    I’m still trying to work out the meaning of the “LABOUR (sic) LOVES FINGERS” sign.

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    Duncan
    Posted August 17, 2011 at 8:19 am | Permalink

    Im sure it made sense at the time RUS..

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    ltmon
    Posted August 17, 2011 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    Triple J’s “Hack” program interviewed a few protesters under 30 at this event, so they do exist.

    Mind you, they weren’t much more coherent than the older set. One basically ran off the entirety of the young Liberal talking point handbook by rote at high speed and the other prefixed every nonsense statement with “From what I’ve read…”. Read where I wonder — it wasn’t a stretch to work out.

    That said, I don’t think it’s ageist to say most of these protesters were older types. It’s just that young stupid people tend to express their stupidity in different ways. This just happened to be the type of event that appealed or was more accessible to older people, especially those that are retired.

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    Cuppa
    Posted August 17, 2011 at 8:41 am | Permalink

    Jules,

    Now, what follows isn’t t an ageist comment, but the fact is, people of that generation are not as well educated as youth going through the system today.

    not that different to

    Blacks are the root of the problem – no education, no work and feral.

    You’re not a racist but … I’m sure some of your best friends are old people and blah blah blah. Seriously – think about what you just said. BTW Both my parents are over 60, tertiary educated (i’m not) and my old (aged??) girl was on the steering committee for this:

    It is a fact (I repeat) that levels of education, generally speaking, of previous generations were not as high as today’s. Note, I said, ON THE WHOLE, because obviously there are exceptions, including your parents, both of them tertiary educated.

    A lot of people of that generation went as far as completing Primary school, if that, as many of them will tell you.

    Things were different then. Conditions change. Most of them probably had no choice but to leave school as early as possible, to work, help their parents, enlist in the army, or because they couldn’t afford a higher education. I think that the age of compulsory school attendance was lower then. (It’s 15 now, in my State). Lots of careers then did not require higher education – unlike now where you almost need a degree in Sanitary Science to drive the wheelie bin truck.

    This isn’t a criticism of people of that generation, or a value judgement, so I’m not sure why you’re so indignant. It is an observation of fact. It is a fact that as generations go by the level of education tends to have increased. Generally speaking, I emphasise.

    Watch this video, Jules. It’s Paul Keating as PM during Question Time. He’s presenting facts and figures of the economic and social conditions during John Howard’s period as Treasurer (1975-1983).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roIeVEf5alk

    At 3m:40s Keating says:

    When he was in government less than three kids in 10 completed Secondary school. Less than three in ten. Now it's eight in 10.

    =============

    Its stupid to assume this is just “old people that listen to shock jocks”.

    I’m not ASSUMING anything. I’m going by actual data. The latest data that is available.

    Try it yourself.

    Here is the latest Nielsen survey for Sydney.

    Sydney Radio Ratings Summary – Survey #5, 2011, May 08- July 30
    http://au.nielsen.com/products/documents/SydneySurvey5-2011.pdf

    Monday – Sunday, Share by Age Group, 2GB

    10-17 yo – 2.4%
    18-24 yo – 1.2%
    25-39 yo – 6.4%
    40-54 yo – 9.6%
    55-64 yo – 19.2%
    65 yo+ – - 34.4%

    Do you notice the trend? Except for the one cohort where listenership went down (18-24yo), the older the person, the more likely they are to listen to talkback radio. The figures do show that.

    Now read again what I said in the comment to which you responded:

    Cuppa: As a general observation you can say that the older the radio listener, the more likely they are to be a talkback radio listener.

    And you said …

    Jules: Its stupid to assume this is just “old people that listen to shock jocks”. Heaps of younger people listen to shock jocks too

    … More facts and a little less emotion would help to more fully grasp the topics under discussion, I’d suggest …

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    SHV
    Posted August 17, 2011 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    I vote Monkeywrench as music reviewer of the year.

    But I suspect a certain WA rock-flogger might be seeing to it that Angry doesn’t go unrewarded for this effort.

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    confessions
    Posted August 17, 2011 at 9:06 am | Permalink

    I watched an interview yesterday on Sky with David Speers interviewing the organiser of yesterday’s marriage discrimination rally and a marriage equality advocate. It was appalling. Speers allowed the discussion to turn to the issue of children (marriage equality is not about children) and finally pedophilia (no, I’m not joking). I switched off in disgust.

    We are very poorly served by the media in this country.

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    savemejeebus
    Posted August 17, 2011 at 9:06 am | Permalink

    I’m with Barnabus. I hate the idea of pooftas and lezzos killing the institution of marriage. Marriage should be, as it always has been, an institution that binds my thirteen year-old pregnant daughter, and her good for nothing teenage boyfriend, or else his backside will be feelin the spoggie shot from my winchester.

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    quantize
    Posted August 17, 2011 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    Their feeding tube of ‘ideas’ :

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/letter-reopens-hacking-scandal-20110816-1iwka.html

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    calyptorhynchus
    Posted August 17, 2011 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    Angra

    I’m closer to the age of these “protestors” than I am to the “yoof” so if I was being ageist I’d be shooting myself in the mixed metaphor.

    However the age of these rent-a-genteel-company is very striking ‘cos it’s only usually young people who get out to rallies.

    Personally I find the disparate treatment of political direct action most galling. Canberra is going to be laid siege to and nothing will happen. If a few Greens got together and tried a blockade of anything they’d be under arrest and their vehicles towed away before they could turn their engines off.

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    quantize
    Posted August 17, 2011 at 9:20 am | Permalink

    and yeh Rose Tattoo were always total shit…most 12yr old’s garage bands sound better after one attempt.

    We can thank Ray Martin for giving that whining idiot Angry Anderson a platform

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