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Weekend talk thread February 17 – 19

Weekend thread time.

  • 1
    Posted February 17, 2012 at 7:52 am | Permalink

    What is this nonsense?

    I don’t quite get the point of this story if it’s not to outrage somebody. How many people will read past the headline before they get their hackles up?

    Even if the asylum seekers (a.k.a. refugees) did get to keep the goods I wouldn’t have a problem with that: what else are we supposed to do, as soon they’re approved kick them out on the street with no food, no housing, no appliances, and no “culture box” (T.V.)?

  • 2
    Posted February 17, 2012 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    More asylum seeker bashing in the Telegraph this morning.

    “WASHING machines, microwave ovens, DVDs and plasma TVs are among a 60-item welcome gift pack for asylum seekers offered rent-free homes in the community.

    To fulfil a promise to move an influx of families out of detention, the Gillard Government is now fitting out each home with up to $10,000 worth of furnishings and electronics.

    They are given food hampers upon arrival at rented homes where they wait for their claims to be processed.”

    Linked stories embedded in this article –

    “Weapons found on asylum seekers”

    “$1 billion to keep asylum seekers”

  • 3
    Posted February 17, 2012 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    Gemma Jones must surely be happy with this effort of demonisation of the already oppressed.

    You will work hard to find from the article that the flash welcome pack, organised in conjunction with Red Cross, supposedly with the designer sheets pictured, is actually furnishings for apartments and houses that stay with the residence, when the asylum seekers move on.

    7.30 should look to this for a spot next week. Maybe they can get some footage of a family living the high life.


  • 4
    Posted February 17, 2012 at 9:15 am | Permalink


    I really don’t have time to deal with this guy today:


    He’s using all the denialist tricks in the book to turn discussion away from the Heartland Institute: “no, the science is wrong”, “no,other scientists take money too” etc etc, but with a twist as he is claiming to know scientists who have contributed to the IPCC report.

    So I did a quick google search, and his name only appears on the Crikey website (unless he is currently living in South Africa), his posts are usually disagreeing with everything that is written, using very flowery language and a kind of intellectual pomposity that leads me to believe that Warren Joffe is a pseudonym.

    Do I just ignore it, or do I engage?

  • 5
    Posted February 17, 2012 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    Liz A : Ignore.

    Buy yourself a treat instead.

  • 6
    Posted February 17, 2012 at 10:41 am | Permalink


    Edward Gibbons put it well:

    I never make the mistake of arguing with people for whose opinions I have no respect

    These days it’s just: DNFTT

  • 7
    Posted February 17, 2012 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    People who rent have a tough time.

    We moved into our place 18 months ago, were assured that it was an investment property, and good tenants would be treated well and assured of a long-term deal.

    So we treated it as our little home (couldn’t afford one of our own). Furnished, decorated, did the garden up a treat. Fixed the few faults.

    And now we are told the owners want to sell it, and the first prospective buyers are coming around trhis morning. So we have to do the good thing for the agents (who have been excellent). So cleaning and tidying, trim the roses, light some incense, put on some relaxation music (all of which I am told helps.) Offer them tea and biscuits.

    But we could be out on our ears in 4 weeks with nowhere to go.

    I know they are perfectly within their rights.

    But depending on a rental property to be your home can be a real shit.

  • 8
    Posted February 17, 2012 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    Where is the representative from the Coalition to tell us that Gerry Harvey could do these things for half the price? Oh, that’s right …

  • 9
    Posted February 17, 2012 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    The irony is that being good tenants we are punished for our work. The price of the house has increased by around $30k because of our improvements, and the rent will go up if it is still to be rented.

    The rent went up 10% while we were here. Add another 10% to that now.

    Well, we still have our tent.

  • 10
    Posted February 17, 2012 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    Matthew – you were waxing lyrical about the Beatles recently.

    Well and true and thanks.

    But I propose Chris Isaak as a likely contender.

    Or even ‘the man’ JC – but I don’t think he meets your timelines.

    Arethra may fit the bill. But she doesn’t often sing her own stuff.

    How about good ol’ Cold Chisel?

    Or Bowie?

  • 11
    Posted February 17, 2012 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    And if you’re judging music by its influence on popular culture, you can’t go past ABBA.

    God, I’ve undone myself in a disco on remote PNG islands listening to Abba.

  • 12
    Posted February 17, 2012 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the comments guys, I will indeed ignore…

    Just a quick drop in with this article that a friend alerted me to:


    Note the date – the 15th… just as the Heartland leak was getting online attention, Cory Bernardi is in a senate committee hearing asking this of the CSIRO:

    Senator Bernardi said the program contained a note for teachers which said climate change was a complicated topic many found “daunting and confusing” and could be controversial, leading to many different opinions.

    “Yet the information that is produced and distributed to schoolchildren appears only to present a single opinion about what is driving climate change,” he said.


    He said the material contained a number of statements which lead to a single conclusion, that carbon dioxide was virtually solely responsible for driving climate change and presented a range of “apocalyptic scenarios”.

    Shall we assume that it is coincidence?

  • 13
    Posted February 17, 2012 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    The Heartland leak has caught out Anthony Watts. He put out a blog post confirming details in the leaked documents were true shortly before Heartland put out a press release claiming they were false.


    One of things a lot of people have noticed with the Heartland scandal is the small amount of money Heartland are given. Firstly Heartland do PR not science, doing the actual science costs a lot more. Secondly it seems to be more cost effective to get editorial content into a newspaper rather than paying for advertising.

  • 14
    Posted February 17, 2012 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    Liz A, Deniergate has them all in a tiz and and they are trying to put forward anything that deflects attention away from the main thrust of the Heartland Docs that they don’t care about the actual science they just want to distort the message.

    I visited Jo Nova’s blog last night just to see what the response was there and apart from the “EQ” comment that I put in the Cut and Paste thread most of the comments revolved about getting comments posted on Graham Readfearn’s article at the Drum and that if they could get more comments posted there than the “warmies” then they had won the debate. They were also paranoid about the evil leftist ABC censoring their comments, I think Jo Nova should rename that thread “How to Astroturf at The Drum”.

  • 15
    The Pav
    Posted February 17, 2012 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    I notice Australia’s Greatest Living Poet and supporter of open and fair media has now proposed that Defence Dept should move to the north of Australia and Aboriginal Affairs to Alice Springs.

    No doubt la Gina is planning to move from her luxury Perth mansion to the Pilbara to be close to the mines that generate her unberaned wealth.

    Since Andrew Bolt says he hates hypocrisy no doubt he will call her out on this. Well he would if he didn’t want us to think he was bought & paid for wouldn’t he?

  • 16
    Posted February 17, 2012 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

    Gina’s father, Lang Hancock is quoted as saying,

    “Mining in Australia occupies less than one-fifth of one percent of the total surface of our continent and yet it supports 14 million people. Nothing should be sacred from mining whether it’s your ground, my ground, the blackfellow’s ground or anybody else’s. So the question of Aboriginal land rights and things of this nature shouldn’t exist.”

    After his death, The Age reported,

    “At one point, Hancock suggested forcing unemployed indigenous Australians – particularly “no-good half-castes” – to collect their welfare cheques from a central location: “And when they had gravitated there, I would dope the water up so that they were sterile and would breed themselves out in the future.”

  • 17
    Matthew of Canberra
    Posted February 17, 2012 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    “Mining in Australia occupies less than one-fifth of one percent of the total surface of our continent and yet it supports 14 million people”

    Except, of course, that it doesn’t. Mining is less than 10% of our national GDP, and employers fewer than 2% of our workforce. It’s a great source of national income and tax revenue, but it’s not “supporting” 14 million people.

  • 18
    Posted February 17, 2012 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

    @ Liz
    Note the date – the 15th… just as the Heartland leak was getting online attention, Cory Bernardi is in a senate committee hearing asking this of the CSIRO:

    Shall we assume that it is coincidence?

    Given Heartland’s professed desire to influence how (or what) climate science is taught in US schools and given the many US$millions Heartland has shovelled into that AND overseas donations (including unnamed recipeints in Australia), it does make you wonder. Perhaps John Mashey (who wrote much of teh recent stuff for DeSmogBlog) might be the best person to ask. I am not sure whether Bernardi would be dim enough to take $$ from Heartland, but Mashey hints that Jo Nova may have been a recipient. But Bernardi and Nova would both be unlikely to take money directly and any transfer would involve all sorts of third parties.

  • 19
    Posted February 17, 2012 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    Don’t knock Cory Bernardi. He’s all about straight talking and common sense

  • 20
    Posted February 18, 2012 at 1:25 am | Permalink

    We must be thinking of different Cory Bernardis. The one I’m thinking of is a fruit-loop, Australian Senator with bizarre (fact-free) views.

  • 21
    Posted February 18, 2012 at 9:27 am | Permalink

    “I am not sure whether Bernardi would be dim enough to take $$ from Heartland, but Mashey hints that Jo Nova may have been a recipient.”

    It is already on the public record…

    “Bernardi’s Registrar of Senators’ Interests shows that last year he travelled to the United States as a guest of the Tea Party think tank, the Heartland Institute. He denied he had talked about Tea Party tactics or organising ”grassroots” groups on the web, but said he spoke at its conference in May. In October last year he also declared the institute paid for his accommodation in Sydney during another conference.”


  • 22
    Ray Hunt
    Posted February 18, 2012 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    The Free Press Action Fund is petitioning the US Congress, requesting an investigation into the operations of Fox News and News Corporation and the tactics used by Murdoch’s American hacks:


    As Angra pointed out in July last year, the US Corrupt Foreign Practices Act means that America could be the place where News Corporation’s phone & computer spying and police corruption chickens really come home to roost.

    More to come …

  • 23
    Posted February 18, 2012 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    Ray – yes, I’d forgotton that. But now the allegations of bribery have come out into the open the US CPFA Act will have a lot more evidence on which to base their investigations.

    The anti-bribery provisions of the FCPA prohibit:

    “Issuers, domestic concerns, and any person from making use of interstate commerce corruptly, in furtherance of an offer or payment of anything of value to a foreign official, foreign political party, or candidate for political office, for the purpose of influencing any act of that foreign official in violation of the duty of that official, or to secure any improper advantage in order to obtain or retain business.”

    Am watching the new ‘defence of Darwin’ museum opening on TV which is much overdue. Amazing that the true extent of losses and deaths in Darwin were kept secret for so long – until well after the end of the war. It is a story of destruction and death, confusion and maybe a few examples of downright cowardice (troops fled and looted on the way out), but plus much bravery and heroism – including the local postmaster who saved two Aboriginal children from the flames.

  • 24
    Posted February 18, 2012 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    I would have thought that the US CPFA law should lead to the investigation of many actions of US Government officials as well.

    They could start with US funding for the NCRI – National Council of Resistance of Iran.

  • 25
    Matthew of Canberra
    Posted February 18, 2012 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    I’m curious to know what the more (genuinely) conservative members of the parliamentary liberal party honestly think of our cory. He’s energetic, no doubt about it. And he’s clearly in touch with the whole internets thing. But given a chance, I think (and I suspect they also think) that he’d drag the liberals in a very unpleasant direction. He does strike me as genuinely one of the angriest men in parliament, and his views on immigrants aren’t hard to find – he doesn’t hide them, although he does dress them up in newspeak as best he can.

    Take him, bolta and a few more of the current crop of prominent conservatives and give them some power, and … wow. No more australia.

  • 26
    Matthew of Canberra
    Posted February 18, 2012 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    Man, those beatles were good.

    “Across the universe” is just so gorgeous …

  • 27
    Posted February 18, 2012 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    Just heard their ABC’s news.

    Blah, blah, Syria, blah, “activists say…”.

    William Bowles has a great piece on that phenomenon:


    Once you are aware of it, it stands out like dog’s bits. I’m guessing it’s a figleaf so that when we start slaughtering 30,000 of them (as we’re doing in Libya) and the whole place goes to shit, the media can say they were only reporting what “activists” said.

  • 28
    Posted February 18, 2012 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    @ Shaun HC
    Don’t knock Cory Bernardi. He’s all about straight talking and common sense

    Yes, in the same way that News International is all about ethics and journalistic integrity.

    @ joe2, thanks for the link.

  • 29
    Matthew of Canberra
    Posted February 18, 2012 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    From SHV’s link

    “Are the ‘armed insurrections’ a legitimate response to state violence”

    They are when we agree with it, yes. When we don’t, it’s called terrorism.

    From what I understand, the comment about christians in syria is actually true. The assad government/regime/whatever falling is probably going to lead to a few more christian refugees headed our way. Sort of like iraq (except that their christian refugees headed to syria).

    I have him blocked these days, but is there any word from andy about what’s happening in syria? Back when libya was still an unknown, he was talking about how syria was the really IMPORTANT country to be watching. Presumably because of the whole israel/hamas/lebanon thing. At least golan will let israel see when the trouble’s heading their way …

  • 30
    Matthew of Canberra
    Posted February 18, 2012 at 6:37 pm | Permalink


    Tell me that andy hasn’t seen an opportunity in this one ….


    Yet another bunch of silly from a non-expert about the ever-increasing number of named disorders the DSM.

    Here’s how it works, frank – if it’s not a problem, then it’s not a disorder. Somebody who is gambling the housekeeping and can’t conceive of stopping, that’s a disorder. Somebody who, on the trip home every single night, can’t imagine not stopping at the bottle-o for a couple of bottles of wine to be consumed between arrival home and whenever unconsciousness sets in, that’s a disorder. Somebody who’s just a bit gloomy about their cat dying and their girlfriend storming out isn’t chronically depressed – they’re a bit gloomy. If, 6 months later, they’re still obsessed about those events, has to struggle to get out of bed, can’t see any enjoyment in life, feels constantly exhausted is over (or under) eating, perhaps abusing pills or booze and cutting themselves off from their friends … that person has, by definition, a disorder. Putting a name to it and collecting some symptoms and standard tests is merely useful. It’s not a conspiracy. It doesn’t make that problem appear or disappear.

    Try to learn to tell the difference between people who are actually in metaphorical (if not physical) pain and an opportunity for a cheap shot at an imaginary “mental health industry”. Once upon a time, shattered people came home from The Front and haunted their old lives, barely coping. Now we have a name for it (PTSD). You can’t just make their problem go away by suggesting that others might try to malinger and CLAIM to have PTSD. That’s stupid.

    It is entirely appropriate to inform police about PTSD. I imagine that being occasionally close to death (separated perhaps by dumb luck), or repeatedly seeing the human remains of a car accident – things on the outside that are meant to be on the inside, say – or perhaps smelling the (I’ve heard) memorable aroma of burning people, or seeing, night after night, people at their worst and/or most desperate is actually FAIRLY @#$!ING LIKELY to have a lasting effect. It is almost beyond comprehension that a Serious Person would suggest that informing police about that possibility is somehow putting them at greater risk. Do you seriously, actually, believe that? Do you understand that ignoring a problem doesn’t make it go away?

    It doesn’t seem surprising to me that emergency workers and police might be adversely affected by their work. What would surprise me is finding somebody who WASN’T affected. Beyond that, it’s a question of degree and what we do about it.

    Frank, you probably think you’re being awfully clever with that little shot at nudge-nudge-wink-wink. But actually you’re just being a prat. Not to mention a miserable, derivative copy-cat. That schtick is old. It gets rehashed every time there’s an update to the DSM, and your average experienced psychiatrist (or practicing clinical psychologist) is going to spot the difference between a malingerer and somebody who’s on the fast track downwards. You have no expertise, so please … pick another subject. Maybe give us your opinion on quantum physics or something.

    Just as an aside, after some experience, my impression is that it’s surprisingly hard to be diagnosed with any sort of psychological problem. It really isn’t the case that doctors are just itching to diagnose people with mental health disorders. At least, not as far as I’ve seen. That might be changing, but seems long overdue if it is.

  • 31
    Posted February 18, 2012 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    well, well…Ben Cubby from the SMH is doing some real journalism on the Australian angles of the Heartland leak / Denialgate.

    Kudos to you Ben!


    Documents from the Australian Securities and Investments Commission show that a group funded by the Heartland Institute, via a thicket of other foundations and think tanks, provided the vast majority of the cash for an anti-carbon price lobby group in Australia in 2009 and 2010.

    The Australian Climate Science Coalition, an offshoot of a conservative lobby group called the Australian Environment Foundation, received virtually all its funding from the International Climate Science Coalition, which has been financially supported by Heartland.

    What Ben didn’t mention is the fact that the Australian Environment Foundation is linked to the IPA.

    The formation of the AEF was first mooted at ‘The Institute of Public Affairs Eureka Forum’ organised in December 2004.

    The (then) director of the environment unit of the IPA, Jennifer Marohasy was the founding Chairwoman and is listed as a Director in the organisation’s documents with the Australian Securities and Investment Commission (ASIC).

    ASIC documents also listed Mike Nahan, the former Executive Director of the IPA, as one of the other founding directors. The documents also listed AEF’s registered place of business as the IPA office. (ASIC document here on sourcewatch: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Australian_Environment_Foundation)

    Tom Bostock is listed on the AEF website as a director. Bostock is (by self admission) a director of the Lavoisier Group, the same group funded by Hugh Morgan who was a director of the IPA in the late 90’s and who’s son William is currently a Director (of the IPA).

    we are going to need a spaghetti diagram if this keeps up.

  • 32
    Posted February 18, 2012 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    @ Liz A, joe2, brizben, SHV, podrick, re Bernardi-Heartland.

    Watching the Deniers was already on the case it seems, having joined the same dots the same way. Well worth the read IMHO, as are the links in his article to (surprise!) Jo Nova, Ian “Undersea Volcano” Plimer (whose daft book Nova went to extraordinary lengths to promote – as a recommended text for schoolkids) and an article from 2010 on the same theme.

    The same old names crop up, and it all puts me in mind of that video with Monckton and the IPA in it that Graham Readfearn highlighted a week or so back.

  • 33
    Posted February 18, 2012 at 7:37 pm | Permalink

    As an update, John Mashey has filed a complaint with the US IRS to the effect that Heartland’s activities constitute a violation of its non-profit (and thus tax-exempt) status.

  • 34
    Nick the Hippy
    Posted February 18, 2012 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    ABC radio news at 2pm. Talking about “the leadership challenge”. Their sources? Christopher Pyne and Scott Morrison. Help.

  • 35
    Posted February 18, 2012 at 11:35 pm | Permalink

    vWe must be thinking of different Cory Bernardis. The one I’m thinking of is a fruit-loop, Australian Senator with bizarre (fact-free) views.

    Nah same guy.Don’t u realise his fact free views are in fact good fashioned straight talking? I mean come on! Facts.. let’s face it we call look at facts, but what are the facts without good ol’ common sense hey? And if the facts contradict common sense.. well I know what I prefer.

  • 36
    Matthew of Canberra
    Posted February 19, 2012 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    Just listening to this weekend’s “State Of Belief” (if you ever doubted that the US evangelical scene had a left, go check it out).

    They’re talking about this month’s health insurance mandate spat in the US, in which chuch-affiliated businesses and non-profits being required to offer their employees insurance plans that include family planning and contraception services is being painted as a religious liberty question.

    I suspect that the prez is going to lose this one. If it gets to the current supreme court (and it’s really just a matter of time), it seems certain to be struck down as long as the same bench rules on it that also decided to ignore the equal protection of an employee who was fired from a church-affiliated school after she appealed to the law to protect her right not to be unfairly fired … because the church didn’t approve of that sort of thing on (their) religious grounds.

    In the meantime, there’s an elephant in the room. Surveys in the US show that around 98% of catholic women use contraception. And a survey on the health insurance shows 52/48 support the contraception requirement among surveyed catholics. Which kind of suggests that catholic women would seem to be rather in favor of this particular law. So … why is the church itself campaigning against it? And could it have anything to do with a predominance of one sex in the power structure?

  • 37
    Posted February 19, 2012 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    fractious and everyone,

    Thanks for the link to watching the deniers. The Heartland links to Jo Nova are strong in that they were distributing copies of her handbook, but there is no clear proof that she has received funds directly from Heartland. That’s not to say she hasn’t received funds from another group that has received funds from Heartland.

    I read the whole of the .pdf by John Mashey Friday night: its amazing work and very comprehensive research. Interestingly the leaked documents (excluding the allegedly false one) only reinforced the work already done by Mashey.

    I have another post that is sitting in moderation on this thread that I wrote yesterday (the boys are source checking maybe?), which you may also find illuminating.

    I was hoping that would get through moderation before we all turn to talk of the “swearyrudd” video. Needless to say, it is the top billed item for all news outlets this morning.

    I caught some of the twitter gloating by journo’s last night… it was along the lines of “see we were right, there are leadership tensions”.

  • 38
    Matthew of Canberra
    Posted February 19, 2012 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    Just listening to this week’s Radio New Zealand “Media Watch”. They’re talking about the lead-up to the anniversary of the christchurch earthquake.

    I love these people. New Zealanders. Or at least their media. They’re SO much more willing to call a spade a spade, and just generally call bullshit (in the nicest possible way). If (RNZ) Media Watch had a motto, I think it would have to be, simply, “Get A Grip”.

    Their politicians seem to be a bit more willing to fess up when caught, too. I guess they don’t get to rely on the highly-coordinated reality distortion fields we put up with.

    Anyone who wants a weekly dose of sanity should check it out. It’s longer than our media watch, so it has time to look a bit more at “big picture” questions, like the way the media as a whole approaches particular stories, and it has a fair few interviews. But also does a fair bit of debunking (which sometimes includes our own media and press). I think the lack of visuals probably moves things along a bit, too. They cover a fair bit of ground in 35 minutes.

  • 39
    Posted February 19, 2012 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    MoC @ 30

    Unfortunately (or fortunately?) I can’t see the article in question, but it sounds horrendous. I too have had some experience with diagnosis of mental illness some years ago (depression post divorce), but in my case it was bleedingly obvious so the diagnosis part was simple. What was relevant to your discussion was the difficulty of gaining access to publicly funded counselling after the diagnosis. I got 10 counselling sessions funded by medicare. That’s about 2 months worth… hardly long enough to deal with the issues causing ongoing depression and nowhere near enough to assist me with the transition off drugs and to help me cope. Needless to say that my recovery as a result took years.

    I bet there was no mention of that kind of treatment / spending in the article.


    I have been following this whole US contraception debate with some interest. You may like to watch this interesting piece by The Young Turks on contraception and the Jon Stewart effect:


    Think Progress Health have also been providing some pretty decent coverage:

  • 40
    Posted February 19, 2012 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    Why oh why did I do it?

    After being in Europe for the last 12 months and not seeing any of the Bolt Report I just glanced at it…. how bad is that set? And Andrew just talks all over his guests…. no actual content from what I can see, just repeating the same anti-Green (and some Labor) memes over and over.

    At least I know now to avoid Ten on Sundays :)

  • 41
    Posted February 19, 2012 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    Anti global warming propaganda groups as recent “events” have exposed, have an agenda that is far and away beyond just global warming denial, the full extent of the architecture of the Tea-partiers goals is very clear, to capture the (available) hearts and (malleable) minds of the “aspirational anarchists” to use them as a brown-shirt-like vehicle to “popularize” neo-libertarianism to further destabilize Democracy to the political benefit of the power hungry Corpocracies in their quest for the Institution of a fascist New World Order,all of which has catastrophically proved in history to be of no sane value to mankind in any way.

  • 42
    Posted February 19, 2012 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    I know we shouldn’t laugh. But an Optometrist has been caught having sex with a ‘patient’ (I don’t consider myself a ‘patient’ when I have my eyes tested, but it does call for some patience).

    Quote of the week –

    ”After about 25 minutes, I said to David that I actually did need my eyes tested and he stopped touching and kissing me so he could test my eyes.”

    Well if my optometrist tried to have sex with me, I’d say he needed his eyes tested too.

    (Mind you she has big …. glasses. Or was it a he?)

  • 43
    Posted February 19, 2012 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    Iran has had the effrontery to sail two old warships through the Suez canal and into the Mediterranean!

    What evil provovcation this is! In international waters too!

    (Check how many US and allied warships are in the Persian Gulf)


    Hey – support the Tehran Times! A good source of alternative news and views.

  • 44
    Posted February 19, 2012 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    Re Ruddstoration,my two bob’s worth, Conniving Kevvie should put the country in first place and not his ego,sure he sadly got rolled such is life, what is glaringly obvious that it is unhealthy both in physical and mental way to be consumed by the megalomaniac-like position he’s adopting,to try and do something the same way and achieve a different result is a measure of his learning skills, unfortunately it appears Kevin’s here to help his damaged ego in a loose /lose situation, in the manner of a capriciously malevolent bully.

  • 45
    Matthew of Canberra
    Posted February 19, 2012 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    “but what are the facts without good ol’ common sense hey?”

    Not truthy, that’s for sure.

  • 46
    Posted February 19, 2012 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    Liz. David Evans is mentioned as receiving funding from Heartland – and he is married to Jo Nova.

  • 47
    John Mashey
    Posted February 19, 2012 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    re: 37 Liz, thanks. I’m amazed you read the whole thing :-)

    1) The AU/NZ connection with Heartland is actually surprisingly important in this mess, which is why the box is there on p.3 of “Fakery”.

    2) See Crescendo to Climategate Cacophony (MAS2010) p.97.
    Nova attended Heart#2 (ICCC-2) and was on HeartExp#1. In “fakery”, p.52, the first 6 “Global Warming Experts” are Archibald, Carter, Evans, Kininmonth, Nova, Plimer.
    How likely might it be that Heartland paid travel expenses?

    3) See “Fakery” p.63, Line H547f “Translation/Pub.”
    Note Skeptic’s Handbook tramslations. I think some of the money in H57 and H58 went to India, and the evidence is only circumstantial that Nova& Evans got the money … but it’s pretty strong evidence. AS always, it may be indirect. I’d love to see the Heartland budget docs for 2008-2010.

    Ahh well, maybe the IRS will ask, because they can… The IRS *really* does not like US 501(c)(3) public charities sending money outside to US to non-charities, especially with the following, from p.55:
    “Part 1, Line 2 – Procedures for monitoring the use of grant funds.
    The organization is “friends of” the grant recipients therefore no major tracking
    is necessary.”

    There is much evidence that Heartland and its payees were clueless about US tax law regarding charity donations to foreign non-charities. Heartland had not done this before.

    So, it sure looks like Heartland paid someone in Oz to develop material, and maybe to translate it for use worldwide. If you check, for example, the German or French titles, there are a *lot* of copies.

  • 48
    Posted February 19, 2012 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    What a load of crap – that latest health scare about germs on dishclothes and all around your kitchen. “Our bio-medicinal wipes can killl 99.9% of germs!”

    So does soap and hot water.

    “There are more germs on your chopping board than your toilet seat!”


    Just wash with soap and keep clean.

    Worked for my for my parents, and their parents, and theirs before them.

    Yeah – just build up a health scare to sell more useless products.

  • 49
    Posted February 19, 2012 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

    My observations on the Rudd Swears!!! Shock, outrage, fury! “story”.

    1. It obviously wasn’t a hidden camera.
    2. He must know who was filming him, when and why.
    3. Whoever that was must have given Rudd to believe that those bits were “off the record”.

    Along with any other comment on the matter, he could say “that was an ‘off-the-record’ out take from an interview back on XXX with XXX of the XXX news and it was never intended for publication, I’m disappointed that they’ve decided now to post it but as politicians we should always be aware of media scrutiny”.

    The only extent to which this is newsworthy or scandalous is that, like the Costello private dinner chat a few years ago, it reveals the incestuously cosy and anti-democratic little club of media and politicians working together with no regard for either of their proper roles in a functioning democracy. Rosen’s “Savy” or Tanner’s “Sideshow”.

  • 50
    Posted February 19, 2012 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    A leadership showdown between Prime Minister Julia Gillard and the man she ousted from the job 18 months ago, Kevin Rudd, could be on as early as this time next week.

    The ABC needs to watch itself. It almost suggested that something might actually happen.