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Weekly Open Thread 20-24 February 2012

It’s weeks like this – when sensationalist tabloid media sense blood in the water and think they can push a story-selling leadership change – when turning Pure Poison into a gardening blog becomes increasingly appealing.


Even better: gardening AND kittehs.

But alright, if you must. If the media wittering gets too much and you just need to vent, here’s an open thread to do it in.

I’m just not doing an actual post on the subject.

And if you happen to drown out the leadership garbage with discussion of actual policy, of matters that actually affect Australians… well, you’d be setting a brilliant example for the national media.

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  • 1
    Bellistner
    Posted February 20, 2012 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    Interestingly, The Snail edited a Letter I sent in and removed any reference to the IPA and rent-seekers.
    Must have needed the space…?

  • 2
    dogspear
    Posted February 20, 2012 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    As usual, SMH has a number of “Kevin and Julia, Sitting In A Tree” stories, but this time they mostly contain a reference to a semi-interesting for 30seconds youtube clip where Kevin says “fuck” a few times. There is usually a picture of Kev’s face in what looks like an embedded clickable “Kevin says the F word” youtube vid. The embedded video turns out to be a crappy Channel Ten news clip about the original vid.

    Fairfax has steadily been going to shit for years now, but when did Channel 10 echo of a muddy puddle clips become de rigueur for SMH?

  • 3
    fractious
    Posted February 20, 2012 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    The Heartland Institute debacle continues. Further to the claims by HI that at least one of the leaked doucments (the Climate Strategy file) is a fake, they are now threatening legal action against (among others) DeSmogBlog, Greg Laden and the Huffington Post.

    As Amber Jamieson’s article points out, HI also claim it has not verified whether any of the documents are genuine. That being so, those who’ve been served with the legal threats wonder how HI could prosecute them for hosting files that HI won’t say for certain are theirs.

    Weird.

    PS I haven’t read every “(Not)Heartland” document but none of the ones I have read even once mention JuLiar or BalloonHead or even Mr KRuddscat, which is, like, rooly weird.

  • 4
    Posted February 20, 2012 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    Finally! — Michelle Grattan has written an opinion piece about Gillard, Rudd and Labor leadership tensions. I thought the day would never come.

    *Re-post from the weekend thread*

  • 5
    Posted February 20, 2012 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    Gardening and kittehs sounds imminently preferable.

    Anyone know of a good way to get rid of blackspot on roses without resorting to chemicals?

    (and please don’t tell me that distilled-essence-of-kevin will eliminate any blackspots ;) )

  • 6
    Matthew of Canberra
    Posted February 20, 2012 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    Kitty!

    Your kitty?

  • 7
    Matthew of Canberra
    Posted February 20, 2012 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    “a semi-interesting for 30seconds youtube clip where Kevin says “fuck” a few times”

    If that’s the evidence of r-kay’s famous temper … he’s a pussycat.

  • 8
    Posted February 20, 2012 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

    Kitty!

    Your kitty?

    Yup. She’s a bit bigger now.

  • 9
    keri james
    Posted February 20, 2012 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    Liz, I’ve found that keeping the plant very healthy and well fed, along with removing any effected stems (the leaves, and the stems the leaf is growing on) keeps it back. I recommend weekly doses of half strength Seasol, and checking that the rose bush or plant is not under a gutter, or in an area where it’s getting too much water.

    I’ve also found with our Black Beauty that suffered from it that introducing moss into the pot or root area if planted can help. I don’t know why, but I’ve seen that work too

  • 10
    Clio
    Posted February 20, 2012 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    You might need to change your counter to the number of *minutes* since News Ltd last ran an ALP leadership speculation story…

  • 11
    dogspear
    Posted February 20, 2012 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    what Keri said. Contrary to epidemiological thinking roses in sterile gardens of the soulless are IME more prone to black spot. General plant health, including healthy soil never goes astray. As in this article http://www.abc.net.au/gardening/stories/s1885774.htm potassium deficiency is sometimes cited as a reason for susceptibility to black spot, but other nutrients play a part, with or without potassium.. You can’t go wrong with shit.
    I miss Peter Cundall.

  • 12
    Posted February 20, 2012 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    It was such a waste of time programming a script to continually search the national media for ALP leadership speculation stories and then to reset a pinpoint-accurate counter.

    We could’ve just used a static image of the number 0 for the same result.

  • 13
    keri james
    Posted February 20, 2012 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    Dogspear, you might well be on to something with potassium defiency. It’d certainly explain why over watering makes it so much worse, and why Seasol specifically makes such a difference.

    If its severe, Ive heard cutting the canes effected off altogether, as it tends to spread through lesions on canes.

    And of course, don’t retain effected leaves for mulch, or use any leaves in the vicinity for mulch. It’s surprising how much reinfection occurs through that method.

  • 14
    Aliar Jones
    Posted February 20, 2012 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

    Fairfax have also been flogging the dead horse non-stop. It’s embarrassing, they keep publishing commentary to attempt to legitimize all the speculation.

    Of course, all this has the online right whingers frothing for blood, brainlessly clicking on the bait…

    depressing.

  • 15
    Brown Bob
    Posted February 20, 2012 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    Time to get rid of the counter Jeremy. It’s based on the false premise that all the speculation stories are just beat-ups and that the Labor party are in fact a pack of “happy little vegemites” (to quote a well known dork). I know you are pretty big on denial, but surely even you wouldn’t claim that there’s no unrest in the Labor party?

    Krudd must have filled Juliar with confidence with this statement :

    “Right now … there is no challenge on” :-)

  • 16
    Posted February 20, 2012 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the tips Keri & dogspear. I have some seasol in the shed, so will commence with that and some pruning of the affected areas.

    You have given me an excuse for a trip to Masters to get some potassium.

    mmmm, Masters… its like Bunnings but with nicer staff & nicer stuff.

  • 17
    Posted February 20, 2012 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    It’s based on the false premise that all the speculation stories are just beat-ups

    No, it’s based on the fact that they’ve been beating it up relentlessly for more than a year. If there’s a ballot, it’s solely because the media have been beating it up for so long the ALP is prepared to try anything to encourage them to talk about something of substance for once.

    Juliar

    BTW have you come up with a single “lie” Julia told yet, BBliar?

  • 18
    Coldsnacks
    Posted February 20, 2012 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    mmmm, Masters… its like Bunnings but with nicer staff & nicer stuff.

    Masters – just like Bunnings, only owned by Woolworths!

    Also, I don’t blog often, but when I do:

    http://coldsnacksoflife.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/where-miranda-wants-us-to-be-like.html

  • 19
    Brown Bob
    Posted February 20, 2012 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    ” the ALP is prepared to try anything to encourage them to talk about something of substance for once.”

    LOL OK good to see the ALP is willing to turn the party upside down just cause the papers are saying there is some Krudd/Juliar tension (not that it could possibly be true). Sounds like they aren’t fit to be in power in that case anyway. Sorry I don’t believe that you honestly think that.

    If there is a ballot, it’s because they know that they are doomed under Gillard, and that’s because it’s obvious to everyone that she is out of her depth. Most people don’t need the evil hate media stating the bleeding obvious for them to work that out ! Gillard isn’t gone just because of some negative press. If that were true, Howard would have been out a lot sooner than he was.

    As for lies, really is there any point? Maybe you should email Wilkie and get him to explain it to you !

  • 20
    Aliar Jones
    Posted February 20, 2012 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    Krudd must have filled Juliar with confidence

    You really are waving a flag that shrieks ‘braindead’ when you use those terms, no matter how much you think you actually believe them..

    “happy little vegemites”

    Can someone say ‘Malcom Turnbull’?

  • 21
    Aliar Jones
    Posted February 20, 2012 at 11:05 pm | Permalink

    ps, I think Brownie is a bit excited, obviously the offal being served up in the MSM is just the kind of drivel he feeds on.

  • 22
    Posted February 20, 2012 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    As for lies, really is there any point?

    If you could find one, yes. For one thing, you’d be less of a joke.

    just cause the papers are saying there is some Krudd/Juliar tension (not that it could possibly be true).

    More like because the papers won’t talk about anything else. They’re obsessed.

    And what’s wrong with tension between MPs? Or Ministers and leaders? There’s always tension between politicians. It’s not really that interesting to anyone outside the hothouse of the Canberra press gallery.

    If that were true, Howard would have been out a lot sooner than he was.

    Yeah, Howard got such a difficult run.

  • 23
    dogspear
    Posted February 21, 2012 at 12:34 am | Permalink

    Liz A, straight potassium should be unnecessary if you are feeding with a full spectrum fertiliser (eg Seasol). Potassium is also useless without a supporting level of other nutrients- easier to go with something “biological”. BTW, wood ash is a good source of potassium and unlike refined potassium salts (like potassium nitrate) will probably improve the soil. Growing healthy plants in dead/ poorly draining/ sour (or overly bitter) soil is like trying to write a novel on Andrew Bolt’s forehead.
    Something else that may just be helpful is planting garlic between the roses..

  • 24
    SHV
    Posted February 21, 2012 at 1:12 am | Permalink

    I look at the Media BS-Ometer and see is that it is counting:

    “Speculation”

    Reality challenged youngsters who really have no idea of the more intricate workings of logic and reason should go back to their branch offices and ask for a bit of guidance before coming out and attempting to play with the grown ups.

  • 25
    Brizben
    Posted February 21, 2012 at 7:04 am | Permalink

    how HI could prosecute them for hosting files that HI won’t say for certain are theirs.

    excactly

  • 26
    Posted February 21, 2012 at 7:32 am | Permalink

    Coldsnacks @18

    Yes, Masters is owned by Woolies. But since Bunnings has closed down all the independent Hardware / Gardening places near me in the last 5 years, I am happy to support any competition to that monolith.

    And they DO have nicer staff & better stuff. Did you know that there are buttons to ring on every aisle for assistance that are answered personally within 2 minutes? They employ people in sections with knowledge and can actually answer your question? They have 1 staff member per aisle!

    nice blog post BTW. I missed that Miranda article.

  • 27
    Matthew of Canberra
    Posted February 21, 2012 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    Aah, the internet …

    “A teenage Queensland ALP candidate has resigned after admitting to a series of anti-gay rants on the internet.”

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-20/queensland-labor-candidate-peter-watson-quits/3841192

    I could never run for any sort of office. Not because I’ve posted “anti-gay rants”, but because I’ve posted more than enough rants of other kinds that I’d be lucky to last more than a few weeks before somebody dug some of it up.

    I wonder if the current generation of politicians (i.e. in office) are the last to be able to put their blunders behind them and soldier on. Coz now, a lot of blunders are recorded for posterity, and somebody will have a copy somewhere.

    It has to eventually affect the selection pool for politicians. I wonder if we’ll get better candidates – people who’ve just simply never done anything stupid, ever. Or if we’ll get something else entirely.

  • 28
    Durham Red
    Posted February 21, 2012 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    “I said that homosexuality and paedophilia were linked because there’s been some research done … and it’s been published by the Catholic Church, that suggests that 30 per cent of male paedophiles are homosexual” – Peter Watson, Ex-Labor candidate.

    I think there’s a different party that would be a better fit for a maths-challenged Catholic.

  • 29
    Cuppa
    Posted February 21, 2012 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    As for lies, really is there any point?

    If you could find one, yes. For one thing, you’d be less of a joke.

    Did the so-called Brown Bob come up with any evidence yet of Julia Gillard lying? Hmmm, I thought not. The trouble is with this sort of people: they get their political fixations sprayed on by the one-party media. They they lack the ability to filter out or question the all-pervavisive RW propaganda. Brainwashed with heads full of nonsense they sally forth like good little vectors to perpetuate the memes they carry onto others. Fortunately progressives have what wingnuts lack – a grip on reality and an ethical aversion to deceitful spin.

  • 30
    Matthew of Canberra
    Posted February 21, 2012 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    Amusing possibilities, from the front page of ABC news:

    “Giant tomato grower goes under”

    It links to this

    It is actually bad news (or good news, if you’re a grower of smaller tomatoes, or a tomato grower of more diminutive stature, or … maybe just a kid called “Jack”?).

    I wonder if it had anything to do with the business a year or so back whence somebody (deliberately or accidentally – not sure if it was resolved), added some roundup to the fertigation for a big supplier of tomato seedlings:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-07-07/tomato-plants-poisoning-industrial-sabotage/895218

  • 31
    Matthew of Canberra
    Posted February 21, 2012 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    A later follow-up on that story:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2011/07/15/3270788.htm?site=northqld

  • 32
    revolutionary
    Posted February 21, 2012 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    Really Liz A the answer is right before your eyes.

    No need to purchase commercial fertilizer from anyone. Invite Brown Bob around and have him espouse his insightful views on politics and the media in front of your roses for a few hours. That should provide all the bovine-waste plant food you will ever require. Be aware though that the associated methane emissions however may attract a carbon price.

  • 33
    Aliar Jones
    Posted February 21, 2012 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    http://www.smh.com.au/polls/opinion/political-news/labors-leadership-struggle-20120221-1tkal.html#poll

    2nd or 3rd poll in as many days if I’m not mistaken.

    Amusingly a large % of the voters seem to not be buying the msm beat up

  • 34
    Cuppa
    Posted February 21, 2012 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    Attack of the Killer Tomatoes!

  • 35
    gtpfb13
    Posted February 21, 2012 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    @29

    I can give you some examples of lying:

    http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/default.aspx

  • 36
    Posted February 21, 2012 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    dogspear @23

    Garlic huh? I like that idea, I’ll give it a try…

    revolutionary @ 32

    could be just the ticket. our business generates offsets, so I can just buy some at cost. It’s just the volume required that could be a challenge.

  • 37
    splangy
    Posted February 21, 2012 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    Oh dear, some of the comments on this story are up there with “daylight savings makes the curtains fade faster” – Enjoy
    http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/virtual-shopping-moves-into-food-aisles-20120220-1tjo8.html

  • 38
    Posted February 21, 2012 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    Michelle Grattan finally pulls her head out of the sand and writes an article about ALP leadership speculation! She’s ignored this issue for too long…

  • 39
    Brizben
    Posted February 21, 2012 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    Peter Gleik confesses to obtaining Heartland documents:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-h-gleick/-the-origin-of-the-heartl_b_1289669.html

  • 40
    liliwyt
    Posted February 21, 2012 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    LizA – milk spray is also good for black spot on roses. Not sure of the quantities, but the milk is diluted with water before spraying.

    Speaking of watering things down … the Gonski Report. The Opposition’s Shadow Education Minister is Mr Christopher Pyne, who was interviewed on AM this morning. Sabra Lane had a go at calling him on his more egregious statements, but he was allowed to steamroll over the top of her.

    http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2012/s3435430.htm

    Not surprisingly, the Opposition has promised to “roll back” any changes the Government makes based on the Gonski Report’s recommendations. Mind you, by the time the Government has wrangled with COAG, the private school lobby, the Teacher’s Unions, etc, etc, we’ll be lucky to see any significant change to public school funding in time to benefit the current generation of school students’ grandchildren.

  • 41
    fractious
    Posted February 21, 2012 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    Liz, if you’ve got a reasonable sized yard get some chooks. Put recycled food scraps in one end, great garden fertiliser out the other “end”, plus from the other “other end” the best eggs ever and we’ll be having none of your battery-farmed chained to a cage in the dark nonsense thank you.

  • 42
    Matthew of Canberra
    Posted February 21, 2012 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    “Attack of the Killer Tomatoes!”

    GIANT Killer Tomatoes.

    Or could it be … Giant Tomato Killers?!??!

  • 43
    Brown Bob
    Posted February 21, 2012 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    “You really are waving a flag that shrieks ‘braindead’ when you use those terms, no matter how much you think you actually believe them..”

    Lol thanks for the heads up Jonesy, unfortunately taking advice from you is like counting on Tim Flannery for my flood warnings :-)

    “Fortunately progressives have what wingnuts lack – a grip on reality and an ethical aversion to deceitful spin.”

    Haha more like a pathological aversion to accepting reality ! Speaking of deceitful spin, I’ve really enjoyed the wealth of it from contributors here trying to portray Gillard’s carbon tax lie as something other than a breach of trust with the public. Unlike you apparently………..

  • 44
    Posted February 21, 2012 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

    I’ve really enjoyed the wealth of it from contributors here trying to portray Gillard’s carbon tax lie as something other than a breach of trust with the public.

    Ah, so you’re backtracking from your claim it’s a “lie” now? Now it’s a “breach of trust with the public”. (I suppose you mean like the Liberals’ invention of “non-core” promises to justify why they used to break them.)

    Alright, so putting your particular spin on the carbon price policy to one side for a moment (obviously Gillard meant if the ALP actually had a majority in parliament), have you found an actual “lie” yet?

    If not, are you willing to concede that your use of the term “JuLiar” is itself a lie?

  • 45
    dogspear
    Posted February 21, 2012 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    Stop talking to him like he’s an idiot, Jeremy. He should be perfectly able to understand the difference between “carbon price” and “carbon tax”.
    Why are lefties so damn polite?

  • 46
    Matthew of Canberra
    Posted February 21, 2012 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

    “Why are lefties so damn polite?”

    We bottle it up inside.

  • 47
    Aliar Jones
    Posted February 21, 2012 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    Stop talking to him like he’s an idiot

    ->

    Krudd/Juliar tension

    hint, talks like an idiot, most likely IS an idiot

    Lol thanks for the heads up Jonesy, unfortunately taking advice from you is like counting on Tim Flannery for my flood warnings :-)

    Let me put it this way Brownie…I’d trust Flannery over anything you’d say..

    um…ever

  • 48
    Aliar Jones
    Posted February 21, 2012 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    Why are lefties so damn polite?

    As a ‘leftie’ who has a solid track record of being anything but polite, I’d suggest it’s more down to level of patience.

    Sadly, whilst I admire the attempts of other commenters of this blog to engage the sad sack right wing trolls like Brownie who flock here, the threads always end the same – nothing changes, they’re none the wiser. They live in a bubble. You can’t communicate with people who speak in dribbling idiotic memes straight from their heroes blogs.

    They don’t even start by sounding sane.

  • 49
    Brown Bob
    Posted February 22, 2012 at 1:06 am | Permalink

    ‘Ah, so you’re backtracking from your claim it’s a “lie” now? Now it’s a “breach of trust with the public”.”

    Errrrr no – JULIAR (cheers Jonesy) said there would be no carbon tax and then she brought one in. Apparently you consider some technical argument about whether it is a tax or a price on carbon (which is all crap anyway) as some sort of proof that she didn’t lie. That in itself is quite a nice bit of doublethink from a person that is constantly complaining about truth and standards in journalism.

    Of course, even accepting that position, if she wanted to be honest she could have said that “there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead, but there will be something exactly the same as a carbon tax so that effectively there will be a carbon tax” – you know, just so the voters actually knew what she had in mind….

    “Let me put it this way Brownie…I’d trust Flannery over anything you’d say..”

    Hee hee bet you wouldn’t put money on him though :-)

    “They don’t even start by sounding sane.”

    Oh Jonesy all this constant dribble about insanity and stupidity. I’m almost starting to think you’ve got some sort of left wing projection going on !

  • 50
    Posted February 22, 2012 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    Nice try, “Bob”, but changing your mind (particularly if circumstances make the original plan impossible) isn’t a “lie”.

    I’d agree that for those who voted Labor on the premise that they would never under any circumstances work with any other MPs to implement a carbon price that involved any government mechanism in the transitional phases that looked like a tax, then they did not get what they voted for.

    In much the same way as those who voted for the Coalition in 2007 when it promised an ETS didn’t get what they voted for when the Coalition voted against it. Tony went to that election endorsing the Coalition’s ETS plan and then… changed his mind. Tonyliar!

    In much the same way as those who voted for Howard on the basis of many of his promises that he later claimed were “non-core” so he didn’t have to deliver them, even though his government was always a majority government and he always had the votes to do as he’d promised. Howardliar!

    Point is, even if you take Gillard’s statement as a promise Labor would not support a fixed price for carbon even if it didn’t win government and had to work with the parliament Australians elected – that’s at most a broken promise.

    And a broken promise isn’t a “lie”.

    A “lie” is when you say something you know is untrue. Where you describe as true something that you know isn’t.

    There’s no basis for you claiming that when Gillard said she would not implement a carbon tax that she didn’t mean it. That she was not honestly describing her intended policy. Matters changed afterwards, but that doesn’t make her original statement a “lie”.

    Have you ever changed your mind, “Bob”? Does that make you “Bobliar”?

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