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Open thread - May 21 - 25

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  1. heavylambs

    @80,The Australian is becoming a failed newspaper,with a dictatorial, intellectually corrupt and reactionary leadership. News Ltd in general,in their attempts to ‘stay ahead of the game’, have become captive to the low standards of the blogging world,and are in the thrall of hard right bloggers in particular. These people will always lead them into trouble because their research ‘skills’ are selective, if present at all.

  2. Angra

    ADF is on alert.

  3. Angra

    Up-to-date tweets here on the PNG crisis from a reputable blogger –

    http://twitter.com/#!/tavurvur

  4. Angra

    The Chief Justice of PNG Injia Salamo has been ‘arrested’ by the deputy PM Belden Namah after the Supremes declared Somare the rightful PM. Namah is supported by police and soldiers. There’s a stand off outside the court.

    This is a full-blown constitutional crisis on our doorstep, and could lead to civil war. Fiji is peanuts by comparison.

    Where’s Carr?

  5. zoot

    BTW Angra on $30,000 a year it seems to me you’re actually entitled to a part pension (of about $1 a week I’d guess) as the allowable income is less than 1661 a fortnight for a single pensioner and less than $2542 for a couple combined.

  6. zoot

    Angra @90: Have you checked with Centrelink?
    As far as I can see you’re entitled to a Health Care Card and that will make you eligible for payments to offset the carbon price, according to this (admittedly old) article in the SMH and page15 of the “What A Carbon Price Means To You” booklet which was delivered to most houses in Australia last year.

  7. jules

    I’ve watched a bit of lingiere football over the years. It used to be shown at my local pub after footy training. Its actually not a joke, and I’ve seen some serious injuries in some games.

    The women who play have a wide variety of body shapes, many are quite solid, and they go as hard as anyone. (I played a year of grid iron in melbourne when I was young and some of the women in the LFL hit harder and play better than the people in our league back in the 80s. Not that that is saying anything. US high school teams were better than us.) I imagine some of the players are built exactly the same as Ms Lundy. Wrt to her comments – LFL is no different to beach volleyball. However if women who play it are by definition “sexy” then it doesn’t discriminate by body shape and size. Which is probably a very small step forward.

    I do tend to agree with her tho. WE don’t need the LFL here. There’s plenty of good local indigenous sport. Even for pervs – Roller Derby, for example. which is a great spectator sport and a great sport for people who are into skating. Plenty of sex and violence on display and some incredibly fast skillful skating that is awesome to watch.

  8. Sancho

    Not media-related, unless the label is applied broadly, but speaking of applying broadly, we so need an Australian equivalent of this:

    http://mepler.com/Grand-Old-Party

  9. Jack Sparraaggghhh

    Matthew @77, nah, I doubt that you’re nuts. It may help to whyteboard the timeline of this fiasco…

    The ANU staff were moved to the more secure location in Feb 2010, when Chubb was V-C, after “threatening incidents” (not emails) in late 2009 and early 2010.

    The move didn’t make news until the June 2011 report by the Canberra Times, which unfortunately did not make clear when the move occurred. But the focus of the entire article was more broad anyway.

    There followed a clusterf*ck of confused, sensationalist reporting, particularly by the ABC. It all gave the impression the move had only recently occurred (as opposed to almost a year and a half prior).

    Almost immediately after, Turnill made his FOI request for pertinent emails “within the last six months” (i.e., to say Dec 2010). It’s no wonder that the emails don’t bear out what was misreported, because the ANU now says things have quietened down a bit as regards threat stuff.

    So even the FOIer hadn’t got his head around the facts, perhaps due to the sloppy reporting. Sadly for him, he seems under the impression he got the scoop of the year.

    Interestingly, the Oz’s “legal affairs editor” Chris Merritt says today, “It is now clear that the move to more secure buildings at ANU had nothing to do with death threats. The move took place in February 2010, 16 months before it was linked in The Canberra Times to death threats.”

    Then Merritt quotes current ANU V-C Ian Young as saying, “The threats that we know of just prior to the move were threats to physical safety.”

    As if that makes all the difference! The C-T article of 4 June 2011 said the move occurred “following explicit threats to their personal safety.” It never related the move specifically to death threats.

    No, there’s a lot of conflating of confused reporting still happening. The Oz is committed to muddying the waters now because of it’s decision to discount out of hand what was, and may still be, a serious problem.

  10. revolutionary

    Federal Minister for Sport writes an online article on the upcoming Lingerie Football League’s ‘exhibition’ match to be held in Sydney, describing it as a cheap and degrading perv.

    Daily Telegraph writes an article about the article, accompanying the text with a shot of a large-busted female in the sporting attire and Kate Lundy in a business suit.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/the-l-word-lingerie-football-a-cheap-degrading-perv-kate-lundy-says/story-e6freuy9-1226365362713

    Cue online comments, of course subject to News Ltd’s rigourous editorial policy. I think you already know which way this is going….

    [Wally of sydney Posted at 10:48 AM Today
    Poor Kate not getting any attention now she has joined the frumpy class.

    Comment 21 of 45]

    [imre kiss of coogee Posted at 10:58 AM Today
    i am sure ms lundy does not have the figures these girls do,is she jealous?

    Comment 25 of 45]

    [dave faulkiner of sydney Posted at 11:19 AM Today
    Kate= frumpy prude just like her boss

    Comment 31 of 45]

    [Matt D of Penrith Posted at 11:20 AM Today
    Kate Lundy could always hit the gym and stop being such a sour puss and she might get a bit more attention. Ever notice that the hot women never ever claim they are being exploited, just the lumpy sour pusses who claim they are speaking on the behalf of all woman kind (just jealousy really, such cats)…..I put it to Lundy that she degrades women by portraying them all as cranky sour fun police who’s sole purpose is to oppress those women that have what she does not. crank!

    Comment 32 of 45]

  11. Angra

    I have one question for the Government.

    I am a self-funded retiree living on $30k p.a. from my super.

    I an not entitled to any rebates or benefits as I am not regarded as a ‘pensioner’.

    Thus I am not getting any help with rising energy costs. I can’t even get a reduction on the cost of train travel.

    There are many people like me falling through the safety net. When my super is all gone, I’ll be thrown into the pensioner basket, and will presumably be a drain on the economy. This will happen faster than it might have because you are not offering me any help. I didn’t even qualify for Rudd’s $500 GFC handout because I hadn’t had to make a tax return for the previous year as I didn’t earn enough money.

    So Labor – you’ve forced my into relying on inadequate superannuation, and now deny me any benefits I might had been entitled to as a pensioner.

    It’s actually in my interest to splurge all my super on say a world cruise, then throw myself on the mercy of the pension system.

    So what do you think I should do?

  12. jules

    PK Dick is great too.

    Matthew is a fan, but IIRC got a bit shocked by Dicks final books, maybe Exegesis and VALIS.

    They are probably difficult for people without some understanding of gnosticism and make more sense if someone has an actual working knowledge of gnosticism or has experienced some sort of “gnosis’. Thanks for the link to Lovecraft btw peeps.

    I’ve actually read lots of his stuff, including letters, poems and the rest. There is one of his stories partially set south of the Kimberly I believe.

  13. Angra

    Coldsnacks – “Ph’nglui Mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn.”

  14. Angra

    I think I’m in a minority here.

  15. Angra

    Fans of Lovecraft might also appreciate the stories of Philip K. Dick.

    Ps. Did you know that Tom Cruise’s real name is Thomas Cruise Mapother IV?

    So what’s the connectrion between Thomas Mapother IV and Dick?

  16. Angra

    Bloods05 – Derp is an expression sometimes used online to signify stupidity, much like the earlier forms of “duh” and “dur.”

    Or basically interchangable with “fuckwit”.

  17. Angra

    Jules –

    Many are out of copyright and availablie for free download.

    http://manybooks.net/authors/lovecrafth.html

    Try “Mountains of Madness” for a start. Had my hiding under the doona.

  18. jules

    For the Lovecraft fans – someone pointed this collection of stories out to me the other day. I haven’t actually read it yet or even got it. But I’m hoping to at some point.

    The Darrell Schweitzer edited anthology Cthulhu’s Reign has fifteen answers for the question “What happens after the stars are right?”

    Generally speaking, this is not a book for optimists. But it is a book for fans of cosmic horror and dark fantasy.

    http://www.eldersignspress.com/?p=464

  19. Bloods05

    What is derp?

  20. jules

    “Who here thinks I’m out on a limb with this? Am I nuts?” – MoC

    No you’re not nuts, you are right on the money. FWIW this is important and I’m glad you made the fuss you did. It might put you “out on a limb” but sometimes you have to expose yourself to risk to achieve a fair outcome for people.

  21. Angra

    The Australian is a pathetic excuse for a newspaper which used to be the home of some real journalism.

    There have been thousands of threats made against climate scientists the world over – to deny this and based on a story about 6 months’ worth of emails to just one University is completely laughable.

    Why are they so desparate to maintain this charade? Maybe because it exposes them as being completely inadequate as an organ of ‘journalism’ and committed to a blatant idealogical agenda?

    For example, thousands of emails have been sent to Michael Mann, many deeply unpleasant. “You and your colleagues… ought to be shot, quartered and fed to the pigs along with your whole damn families,” said one. “I was hopin [sic] I would see the news and you commited [sic] suicide,” ran another.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/mar/03/michael-mann-climate-change-deniers

    No one of sound mind takes The Australian seriously anymore.

    Their hubris towards any criticism is just plain childish tantrums.

  22. RobJ

    [ohn faine isn’t my favorite interviewer, but I think he went easy on delingpole.]

    Jon Faine was pathetic, all he had to ask Delingpole was why Shell behave totally differently in the UK to the way they behave in Nigeria. Not that Delingpole would have tried to answer, just would have carried on with his idiotic ad-homs, though it would have given more sane promoters of the free market food for thought.

  23. Matthew of Canberra

    Actually, no. On second thoughts, as long as there’s a derp storm about this and as long as the ABC’s getting the evil eye, I think I’d prefer any chatter I have to be public.

    Don’t bother with that email address. I’ve shut it down and deleted the entire thing.

  24. Matthew of Canberra

    This is interesting. Today, the australian reports:

    ANU vice-chancellor Ian Young, when asked about the circumstances of the move, said there had been no death threats just before scientists moved offices.

    “The threats that we know of just prior to the move were threats to physical safety,” he said.

    “A more serious threat came some months after the move. Prior to that, however, we know of at least one direct death threat to an ANU staff member.”

    That threat concerned Andrew Macintosh of the Centre for Climate Law and Policy, he said.

    Now … keep those two pieces of information in mind when you re-read this:

    http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/1216_oz2.pdf

    Who reckons that article still stands? I’m a bit sorry, this week, because I get the feeling that media watch is in the middle of the biggest derp-storm in living memory and I’m worried that I might have contributed to that by sending them an email last week saying I hoped they did this story (although tim lambert has posted that he did the same). There’s not much I can do about it now :-/

    The australian is relying on a very narrow reading of those articles to argue that they’re all correct (there are four, apparently – I’m not sure if I’ve seem them all, but I assume they’re excluding the AAP article they published on the 5th or 6th essentially repeating the ANU death threats claim – the same AAP story they’re pointing to that SMH published on the 4th and saying “but they DID say ANU death threats!”).

    Trouble is, even with their narrow reading of their articles, I believe they are still wrong. The australian focused on one aspect of the original fairfax claim – specifically talking about death threats and specifically at ANU. Why did they did that, I don’t understand. The original story was clearly about something much larger, but didn’t specifically talk about death threats at ANU. The ABC DID add that detail, so maybe this was seen as an opportunity to go after the ABC, thinking that claim would collapse under scrutiny. Whatever the reason, the simple matter of whether climate researchers were receiving threats seems to have been of little interest. That’s what made me angry, and motivated me to write to media watch. I also mentioned NEWS’ general attitude to the story, which has been disappointing.

    So today The Aus is saying they were right. I still say they weren’t. If they want to rely on the narrowest possible reading of their articles, then that’s fine – they’re still wrong. If they had qualified the period of time they were talking about, and if they had clearly qualified that they were only talking about death threats at ANU, then I think they could claim to be on the money. They didn’t do the former, and they only arguably did the latter – the introductory paragraphs of those articles make a much broader statement about “claims” in general, while the body of the piece only really talks about the ANU emails as the supporting evidence for those claims.

    Now, I agree that’s a very specific reading. But it’s the one that the australian is apparently relying on in order to claim it was right. I personally think that the casual reader would have taken something quite different from those articles – i.e. that no climate researchers had received death threats, and that those 11 emails debunked the claim that they had (as the introductory paragraphs clearly state).

    Who here thinks I’m out on a limb with this? Am I nuts?

    Anyone who wants to discuss this offline, I have an email address I set up for this purpose a while ago – it’s entirely separate from my normal arrangements and doesn’t identify me, so feel free to go bezerk. If I get spam or hate mail, I’ll just shut it down. I will not forward on, quote, or misuse anything that isn’t a threat, so don’t worry about telling it straight:

    mattocad@gmail.com

    I’m interested to hear what people think about this.

  25. SHV

    Looks ominous for Screws-Ltd:

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/fla1975114/s121.html

    Only a maximum of 1 year imprisonment!?? I expect News Ltd to lash out about our politicians being “Soft On Crime” when they hear about that!

    They’ll be even more shocked, outraged and enfuriousated if some “Soft On Crime” judge lets them off with a lesser sentence.

  26. Matthew of Canberra

    Did anyone else notice Chris Berg’s sensible article at The Drum?

    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4025808.html

    Phil Vee @70

    I actually care less about the particular people being released, in this instance. My concern is the potential moral hazard, or even the perception of a moral hazard. So suppose we lock up somebody that indonesia doesn’t think we should lock up (or vice versa). What would be the public reaction if, now that this story has been reported, the other country then arrests some people in similarly controversial circumstances and the two groups just happen to find their sentences slashed and they all get released around the same time a couple of years later?

    I just listened to the delingpole/faine interview. John faine isn’t my favorite interviewer, but I think he went easy on delingpole. That guy believes in fairy tales. Yeah, sure, pollution is lower in the west because rich people want to protect the environment just like everyone else does. They have rich people in russia. I think they even have rich people in china. They’ve got a few billionaires here and there on the subcontinent. They’re all nice, unregulated capitalist manufacturing markets. So how’s pollution looking there? Yeah, history really shows that the profit motive leads to ever-decreasing pollution. Good one.

    And it was just one long ad-hominem complaint. It had to be. His only actual argument essentially boils down to repeatedly saying “nuh-uh, I say otherwise”.

    And the wingnuts still believe that personal attacks and dogma are the preserve of the left. James delingpole proves that wrong all by himself, without even considering the rest of the circus. The trick seems to be to find an ill-informed audience that’s unhappy about being at odds with reality, say what they want to hear and be rude about people who disagree. That’s brilliant. I wonder if being drunk makes it easier?

    So … who actually reckons abbott’s going to repeal the carbon tax? 😉

  27. SHV

    More criminal activity at News Ltd?

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/newspaper-referred-to-australian-federal-police-20120523-1z51j.html

    Courier-Mail appears to have broken the law. Hope they get the book thrown at them. Phone hacking scum (by association).

  28. Fran Barlow

    [We have jailed minors and others on trumped up charges of people smuggling and then release them so one of our drug smugglers can come home earlier. That is disgusting.]

    Let’s unpick that

    1. The “jailed minors” should not have been gaoled. Nobody should be gaoled for conveying vulnerable people to a place of relative safety where their wellbeing may be improved.

    2. Nobody should be gaoled for dealing in marihuana. Laws against the use of marihuana are the result of an arbitrary taboo. Nor is Ms Corby “one of our drug smugglers”. For all we know she was the innocent victim of the work of others, a fall woman (?) . She ought to be released immediately and sent home. Yet even assuming one thinks marihuana dealing something that ought to be restrained, the marginal benefit to Indonesia in deterrence must surely have reached zero by now.

    3. It’s clear the Australian state knew that sooner or later it would have to release these minors. It figured it might as well get the issue off the books. Indonesia probably wants to mend fences and is probably bored holding onto Corby. Even there, it costs money. If both states can get a PR win out of it, so much the better.

    I’m not disgusted at all. The Corby ruling was a trivial step forward for good sense. The release of gaoled minors a slightly less trivial one.

  29. Jacques de Molay

    SA Liberal Party leader Isobel Redmond says women should just ignore discrimination in the workplace and turn a blind eye to it:

    [THE best way to deal with gender discrimination in the workplace is to ignore it and it will “just disappear”, state Opposition Leader Isobel Redmond has told a women’s leadership luncheon in Adelaide.

    There were audible snorts of disbelief among some guests when Ms Redmond offered her personal strategy to turn a blind eye towards discrimination, as she addressed the Committee for Economic Development of Australia (CEDA) event at the Intercontinental Hotel yesterday.]

    http://indaily.wordpress.com/2012/05/22/ignore-workplace-discrimination-urges-redmond/

    Suzie Keen’s thoughts on her statement:

    [JUST ignore it and it will go away. It’s the kind of advice a parent might give an angst-ridden teenager with a humiliatingly large spot on their face.

    It’s not how you would expect a modern political leader to answer a question about how to respond to gender discrimination in the year 2012.

    Asked on Monday for advice by a woman who said she was experiencing discrimination from older males in her position as a local councillor, state Opposition Leader Isobel Redmond’s comments read like something out of a 1950s manual for good housewives.]

    http://indaily.wordpress.com/2012/05/23/discrimination-doesnt-just-disappear/

  30. Brizben

    Free ebooks including a link to the complete works of HP Lovecraft:
    http://www.openculture.com/free_ebooks

    more free ebooks here including Australiana:
    http://gutenberg.net.au/

  31. Phil Vee

    I can be outraged. We have jailed minors and others on trumped up charges of people smuggling and then release them so one of our drug smugglers can come home earlier. That is disgusting. It is impossible to know if it was organised and agreed between the countries or if Indonesia acted independently “in reply”. It doesn’t matter.
    I am offended because Australia is doing the right thing releasing people who should not have been jailed and now we look like grubby drug smuggler helpers.

  32. Matthew of Canberra

    Uh-oh …

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-23/corby-sentence-cut-in-return-for-people-smuggler-release/4027236

    “An Indonesian government minister says convicted drug trafficker Schapelle Corby’s sentence has been cut in return for the release of Indonesians charged with people smuggling in Australia.”

    I can’t imagine how that might be portrayed in certain quarters. I’m conflicted about it – I’m perfectly happy to see a bunch of people out of pointless prison sentences (with suitable incentives and rehabilitation options), but it’s an ethically awkward arrangement, if it’s true. If that’s a misunderstanding, I hope somebody jumps on it and explains how it really works.

    I’m not going to look to see who jumps on it. I’m done with outrage for this week.

  33. Matthew of Canberra

    “faecal transplants”

    Yep, there was an article in new scientist a few months back about that. No idea if it’s still “fringe”, I don’t even try to keep track, but it’s something that is allegedly being researched and tried for weird intestinal maladies that refuse to respond to anything else. Get some jobbies from a close relative, isolate the bacterial matter, grow it and transplant it.

    We’re basically great big colonies of bacteria; when they’re not happy I guess things can go awry.

  34. Matthew of Canberra

    “There are another 30,000 or so skeletons lying still buried under the streets of London”

    I read somewhere once, an historian describing london as basically a big cemetery. It’s just what happens when a town buries its dead just outside the city limits … then the city grows.

  35. Matthew of Canberra

    “… I was also out trying to trap a stray cat in town …”

    Got it. Now comes the hard part … taming a stray cat with an injured leg.

    In the short term, I think I might go back to bed for a while.

  36. NathanA

    @MoC

    Well done young man!

    I can’t remember if I posted on this before, but I really have no idea what the journalists at the Australian were thinking. They just come across as condoning behavior that the vast majority of people see as completely unacceptable. I don’t think there is any point arguing about the semantics of what exactly was written, the fact that people were feeling threatened at their place of work is just not on.

  37. Angra

    I reckon smoke enemas, and faecal transplants (Yes! – check it out!) explain a lot about News Ltd.

  38. jules

    Angra – Lovecraft was exceedingly racist and also probably a repressed gay man.

    Still he had a wild imagination tho. One of his stories written in the 30s is a great evocation of the principle of the illusion of consciousness, or at least the illusion of associating it with a particular pov – something often referred to as maya in Indian schools of thought and religions.

    I’ve done my fair share of fucking about with the infinite and HP Lovecraft makes a great template for trying to make sense of the crazy. There is nothing like going to wild uninhabited places and taking “heroic” doses of tryptamines or salvinorums while invoking azathoth to give you a fresh and interesting perspective on the world.

    In the age of micro drone swarms and biopunk homemade anthrax this quote:

    That cult would never die till the stars came right again, and the secret priests would take great Cthulhu from His tomb to revive His subjects and resume His rule of earth. The time would be easy to know, for then mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and revelling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom. Meanwhile the cult, by appropriate rites, must keep alive the memory of those ancient ways and shadow forth the prophecy of their return.

    Kind of gets my attention. These days that cult is mostly made up of people who work for DARPA.

    Possibly the stars were right on and after March 2 1946, tho who can really tell, others reckon it’ll be when betelgeuse pops sometime in the next week ot so. Who really knows (or cares.)

    Lovecraft was certainly influential tho. From Hellboy to the machines with tentacles in the Matrix to the flying spaghetti monster – Lovecraft nailed the scary tentacled thing with teeth as an archetype of something to be feared or laughed at.

  39. Angra

    The Wellcome museum also has a display of pipes used for blowing smoke up the arse of drowning victims – a common 18th c. remedy.

    And I’m not kidding.

    Check “Tobacco Smoke Enema Machine” London Science Museum dated 1774.

  40. Matthew of Canberra

    “the mummified remains of Jeremy Benhtham welcoming visitors …”

    So … a bit like a panopticon?

    “… the Howard,B. you have come to know … resides in Sydney.”

    I’m so sorry. My condolences.

  41. Angra

    Interesting trivia – there are over 17,000 skeltons on display in Londons museums (start with the Wellcome museum and the Museum of London) – mostly human, but also a half-ton whale skeleton discovered buried at Greenwich.

    There’s also the mummified remains of Jeremy Benhtham welcoming visitors to University College, and another few thousand ancient mummies at the British Museum.

    There are another 30,000 or so skeletons lying still buried under the streets of London. There’s even a map of where to walk over them…

    http://saesferd.wordpress.com/2008/06/28/london-skeleton-map/

  42. Angra

    returnredman,

    Well yes. Plaster casts were taken and copies made. Michael Jackson tried to buy one. The original is still on display at Whitechapel.

    http://www.fanpop.com/spots/the-elephant-man/images/10234485/title/josephs-skeleton-photo

  43. Howard,B.

    Blood05

    You’ll be relieved to be apprised of the fact that the Howard,B. you have come to know, love and respect, through his forthrightly cerebral yet ever amicable gracings of these pages, resides in Sydney.

  44. Catsidhe

    [Uh … did he get another skeleton at some point?]

    … as opposed to a copy or moulding of it.

  45. Bloods05

    [HowardB of VIC]

    Could it be? Surely not! He’s always Mr Reasonable over here. Well, sometimes.

  46. returnedman

    The London Hospital has the original skelton of The Elephant Man

    Uh … did he get another skeleton at some point?

  47. Angra

    Here’s a sample for the uninitiated –

    “The nethermost caverns are not for the fathoming of eyes that see; for their marvels are strange and terrific. Cursed the ground where dead thoughts live new and oddly bodied, and evil the mind that is held by no head. Wisely did Ibn Schacabao say, that happy is the tomb where no wizard hath lain, and happy the town at night whose wizards are all ashes. For it is of old rumour that the soul of the devil-bought hastes not from his charnel clay, but fats and instructs the very worm that gnaws; till out of corruption horrid life springs, and the dull scavengers of earth wax crafty to vex it and swell monstrous to plague it. Great holes are digged where earth’s pores ought to suffice, and things have learnt to walk that ought to crawl. ”

    Bloody hell!

  48. Phil Vee

    Andrew Bolt has not been funny for a while now, but today is different. He put up a poster for Family Week showing cartoon pictures of families. Guess what! The cartoon characters do not show testicles or vaginas and this is shocking to Andrew. His thread is headed “Is Dad the one in the skirt?” and he revs up the team by suggesting Gillard is trying to remove fathers from families. The comments have the usual anti Penny Wong jibes and aggrieved divorced fathers, but the deep thinkers are there too. Remember these people are talking about a cartoon.

    I saw similar posters while watching The Killing Fields on dvd last week, the agenda being slightly different in that it showed both parents as being unnecessary.
    Soviet realism was more subtle.
    Habib of Wilston (Reply)
    Tue 22 May 12 (12:32pm

    Why can’t two brothers marry and adopt children? They don’t choose to be brothers, they were made that way at birth!
    Bigbeembeem of Mascot (Reply)
    Tue 22 May 12 (12:45pm)

    Blatant push of the homosexual agenda which has been going for years. 
Suppose to dismantle traditional family unit. 
Strong family units are harder to control.
    healthy (Reply)
    Tue 22 May 12 (01:20pm)

    and my favourite…..

    The ideological dream of the radical feminist gay dominated government is to abolish gender “oppression” by transforming its institutional source — the patriarchal family.
    The Family Violence (sole custody) amendments are about to take effect, 7 Jun 2012, and the Australian VAWA – the National Plan to reduce violence against women and their children [but not men] – has been allocated a $100M.
    These are legislative social re-engineering tools to redefine family as a single mother & her kids. They will also redistribute $40BN from families to the lawyers union & the political arm of the women’s liberation movement.
    Taxpayers are expected to pay $12BN/yr subsidising 14hr daycare, collectivised childrearing centres, massive single parent welfare increases, female quotas, reverse discrimination, equal pay for comparable work as society is feminised for children to be raised by the “village” rather than their own parents.
    HowardB of VIC (Reply)
    Tue 22 May 12 (01:31pm)

    I have felt oppressed ever since I found out Homer Simpson only has 6 fingers.

  49. Coldsnacks

    @Angra 51

    Ia! Ia! C’thulu f’tahgn r’yleh!

  50. Angra

    HP Lovecraft.

    An unacknowledged giant amongst writers. And one of the scariest, and with the best name ever. Can you imaginbe Daniel Craig saying in a cool, sexy, low voice –

    “My name is Lovecraft.

    Lovecraft by name, and Love craft by nature.

    Let me help you”

    And then he brings out Q’s specials.