Nourishing the environmental debate

Climate change cage match — a fight to the death

   

The Crikey Daily Mail’s hallowed Comments, Corrections, Clarifications and C*ck ups section is always jammed with heated arguments over climate science. In particular, there’s one regular commentator who manages to poke at this particular sore so effectively as to enrage and engage readers in a never ending tit for tat that, quite frankly, drives our production editor insane (we’re looking at you, Tamas Calderwood.)

So in the interests of creating a bit of breathing space in the email, and sharing the (not always informed) debate with Rooted readers, we’d like to present the CLIMATE CHANGE CAGE MATCH — a fight to the death.

There’s a robust discussion taking place on the Wilkins Ice Shelf (or what’s left of it) elsewhere on the blog, but the following debate will take place around the general consensus on climate change (yes, there are still a few out and proud sceptics who love to thrash it out and who are we to stop people from making fun of them?)

Picking up where we left off,  here’s Tamas Calderwood from yesterday:

Stephen Morris (yesterday, comments) says that CO2 has recently increased to the “unprecedented” concentration of almost 0.0004 of our atmosphere and says this increase “almost exactly corresponds with the large temperature increases over the last 50-100 years”. First, CO2 has been more than 10x current levels in the past.
Second, what large temperature increases is he talking about? Once again, we’ve had zero warming in the past 10 years, less than 0.4C in the past thirty years and around 0.7C in the past hundred. The data are available to anyone with access to Google and the ability to type “temperature data”.

Ding ding ding! Play nice kids…

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  1. 2301
    Jak
    Posted October 20, 2010 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    Jak= inspirational

    KD = sad

  2. 2302
    Jak
    Posted October 21, 2010 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    Jak = last man standing

  3. 2303
    Eponymous
    Posted October 21, 2010 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    Jak, if you read back through the thread, you might find that all of your ‘concerns’ have been addressed… over and over and over and over again.

    Being last man standing does not make you the winner. It might actually mean that everyone else finds you too incompetent to deal with. #JustSayin

  4. 2304
    Jak
    Posted October 21, 2010 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    Jesus I mean Epo

    maybe Id read back and say my concerns are not met.

    The Science for AGW is junk science cause its a conspiracy. The best lies are 90% truth. Thtas what u got. The ugly sister = the small dick view

    Me I got the big view, how the Elite manipulate most things = hot sister

  5. 2305
    kdkd
    Posted October 21, 2010 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    Jak:

    but as you’ve been unable to show any credible evidence to support your ludicrous position, we can safely ignore you.

  6. 2306
    Jak
    Posted October 22, 2010 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    No you cant safely ignore me because what I am saying is going to impact you very heavily. You got your little hobby AGW and feel cosy and superior with what you think is cutting edge science. But the world is not as you think it is man affects weather alright but not just pollution (15% at most) theres HAARP too. Weather warfare

  7. 2307
    kdkd
    Posted October 22, 2010 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    Jak: Evidence? No you haven’t shown any. Just a bunch of thinly disguised personal attacks. My attempts to engage you on the scientific literature have met with you transparently ignoring it. I think you like being ignorant and deluded. The end.

  8. 2308
    Jak
    Posted October 22, 2010 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    The other end: No..ooo. HAARP. Illuminati. freemasons. Media control. 9/11 inside job and the little sister…lets make up a new science and call it AGW. We know nature is rebelling and the sun is changing and HAARP warfare is changing the weather so it will be eay to get some data to make AGW seem like the total answer so we can Tax the shit outa them. Do your own research sheep

  9. 2309
    Jak
    Posted October 22, 2010 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    A gigantic disaster will overwhelm the world which will wipe out three-fourths of mankind. [8 November 1945, Angiras Rishi Hill, Tapovan to Adi K. Irani]

    —Source: Meher Baba quoted in Lord Meher 9: 3081

    AGW wont matter at all then

  10. 2310
    Jak
    Posted October 23, 2010 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    Hey its a cage fight. Grrrrrrr

  11. 2311
    Wendy
    Posted October 23, 2010 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    As the FBI’s once former head, J. Edgar Hoover, once warned, “The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous that he can’t believe it exists;” or media “guru” Marshall McLuhan’s statement, “Only the small secrets need to be protected. The big ones are kept secret by sheer public incredulity.”

  12. 2312
    Jak
    Posted October 24, 2010 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    Well Wendy according to St Malachy we are on the last Pope before the end times. AGW is not going to matter

  13. 2313
    Jak
    Posted October 25, 2010 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    p.s even if most of it wasn’t just made up

  14. 2314
    Wendy
    Posted October 28, 2010 at 7:43 pm | Permalink

    HAARP over Australia. Weather control.

    http://www.colinandrews.net/Melbourne-DroughtToSuperstorm-HAARP.html

  15. 2315
    Ken Lambert
    Posted November 2, 2010 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

    It seems that even John Cook is struggling to russle up a good scientific story at SS. Getting a bit lightweight I think. Just when I produce the killer numbers everyone goes home.

    I just popped in for a look at the Cage Fight kdkd – looks like you would be happy to have me visit after Jak and Wendy.

    Gee I even accept that Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK all on his own.

  16. 2316
    Wendy
    Posted November 3, 2010 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    You wanna keep believing in that cause the alternatives are too scary. Its not that You dont know you dont know, its youtr too scared to really look. Even if you see videos showing another view.

    http://www.magenergy.us/

    It takes a certain type of bravery to contemplate it. Most people dont have that kind of bravery. Most people even climate change skeptics, God bless them, fall into this category.

    Many are stubborn in pursuit of the path they have chosen, few in pursuit of the goal

  17. 2317
    Wendy
    Posted November 5, 2010 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    you guys dont get it yet.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K9rXydMmfw

    this is bigger than AGW.

  18. 2318
    Wendy
    Posted November 5, 2010 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Wake up. Your being sprayed

    http://www.greatdreams.com/chems.htm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo8J1I7N87Y

  19. 2319
    kdkd
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    Tamas. Regarding #919 and #920

    I think You owe me a case of beer. I’ll take some of that stuff from the gold coast that Ken and I spotted in the Brisbane CBD a couple of months ago thanks.

  20. 2320
    Ken Lambert
    Posted March 16, 2011 at 12:41 am | Permalink

    Hi kdkd,

    Look forward to a beer together with you and Tamas. Definitely missing you on SKS. Seems like the site is degenerating into AGW propaganda threads.

  21. 2321
    Posted May 29, 2011 at 6:37 am | Permalink

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