Osama Bin Laden, a murderer who shows no concern for human lives, has suddenly condemned America’s climate change policy as too weak. His plan, it seems, is to de-rail any US climate bill that may emerge by driving the wedge even deeper between those who want action on climate change, and those who don’t.
De-railing US climate action would of course maintain the stranglehold of oil over the US economy. This keeps money flowing in the direction of Bin Laden.
As a terrorist who has already caused chaos and destruction, imagine Bin Laden’s excitement at the thought of a climate-changed world. He doesn’t care about protecting human lives; but rather destroying them. Global South countries, where terrorists recruit from the most marginalised people, are already being hit hard by climate change. It will get even worse as climate change worsens – more droughts, extreme weather events, sea level-rise, crop failure and famine. This creates rich pickings for Bin Laden’s recruiters.
Bin Laden’s statement causes rifts across the world, allows some conservative commentators to lump climate activists in the same boat as Bin Laden, and takes the debate on climate change backwards.
This week we heard that in the USA, wind power had increased by 39%, bad news for people who want America to remain reliant on oil.
Osama Bin Laden is a terrorist: let it be known that climate activists in Australia condemn his comments and refuse to be aligned with his words or ideology. It’s ridiculous to suggest that Bin Laden is an environmentalist; he shows no regard for the human species or any other. No-one needs Bin Laden on their side.
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Are you aware that your buying into the propaganda?
Just sit back and think for a change ok? Bin Laden commenting on climate change… how obvious does it have to get for people to realise that he is DEAD and is being used for propaganda purposes.
A 6 foot Saudi on dialysis cannot survive the mountains of Afghanistan / Pakistan.
Have you read Orwell’s 1984 where a shadowy enemy called “Goldstein” manages to time and time again successfully attack Oceania?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg#movie_player – Benazir Bhutto, before her assassination noted that Bin Laden was murdered.
And never surprises me the propaganda put out by the establishment and parroted by you guys.
I urge people to read this as a counter-weight – http://www.prisonplanet.com/bin-laden-tape-pathetic-attempt-to-bolster-crumbling-global-warming-scam.html
Bin Laden! Imagine still in the mountains of Afghanistan, so they say, and telling Andrew Bolt,and his likes, the true facts of climate change. I found it strange, in Vietnam, September 11 2001 on holidays, when I asked about all the people killed there, during “the American war” I met with a stoney silence, and their was I watching it on Vietnamese TV, the towers coming down, thinking it was a hollywood movie, until it was brought to my notice it was for real,by an American backpacker, who was telling me he was from Canada. Regards Richard Ryan.
America showed no regard for the human species, when it dropped two atomic bombs on Japan—-oh sorry that was not a terrorist attack, it was war. Still it was a good hit, over 120,000 human resources gone in the wink of an eye. Anna Rose tells the story to her masters requirements. If it’s going to be an eye for an eye, a lot more Americans will have to be killed. To balance the books.
Bin Laden has been dead for years, they got him at least 6 years ago. They wheel out a message every now and again and say it is him, bollocks he’s dead!
But God is against the global warming deniers because Satan is with the evil oil and coal sellers who obviously are doing Satan’s work by heating our planet.
They outweigh a 6 foot suadi dead guy dont they?
Anna when you publish a story of this nature you have an obligation to inform the readers that you are employed by the US Department of Strategic Influence. If this is not the case, then we are left to draw a conclusion that you are a [edited] for actually believing this codswallop.
[keep it nice Graeme, no need for gratuitous name calling -- Ed.]
I am very surprised to see the rather inane logic of this post – I’m used to your stuff being a little more thoughtful.
1) Its already the case that governments of all stripes brand activists in a range of campaigns, including climate campaigns, as ‘terrorists’ – its a convenient way to publicly demonise us, and did not require any comment from Bin Laden to get started: attributing the dishonesty of our rulers to the “error” of Bin Laden in coming out against inaction on climate change is both historically inaccurate and politically dubious – it lets the right in the so-called democratic countries off the hook, by blaming a problem on a well-loathed foreigner.
2) While I’m no fan of Bin Laden, it is really very much a part of US political hysteria to suggest that it is impossible for him to get something right occasionally – and it is pointless in understanding both why Bin Laden continues to have a level of support and why he would make these comments on climate change to suggest that “he doesn’t care about protecting human lives; but rather destroying them” – of course he is indifferent to the lives of US workers when they are killed in his political campaigns, but he and his supporters see this not as some kind of perverted murder cult, but rather as a *defence of the lives of the citizens of many countries in the Middle East* – including some that will suffer seriously under runaway climate change. Ignoring that means becoming a simple tool of US foreign policy, which is largely responsible for the popularity of Bin Laden in many parts of the world.
3) His remarks on this querstion are actually remarkably similar to some of the other religious leaders who have spoken out on climate change.
4) As RICK68 and MrAnderson pointed out, the US is hardly in a position to talk on this one, as its historical death toll is much, much, much, much higher than that of Al-Qaeda. I fail to see the *moral* or *political* difference between a ragtag bunch of bombers killing thousands in the WTC, and the well funded bunch of bombers wiping out Hiroshima, Nagasaki (or on the other side of the Atlantic, Dresden).
*Let it be known that climate activists in Australia are bemused by Bin Laden’s comments, but think they’re largely irrelevant to the debate about climate change.*
Shame, Anna, Shame.
MrA, you did quite well with your first line,-then you came in with even more proper gander!
Who the hell knows? Dead/alive?
Spurious crap pours out of every official orifice. It’s the name of the game.
Anna poppet…., do leave ‘orf.
John and mranderson, you guys seem to know something the FBI don’t, so I’d get on the line to them asap. Let them know it’s okay, they got him ages ago, and to read 1984 for more info.
Alternatively, bin Laden isn’t dead yet and he’s playing wedge politics with the west again. This is a well-substantiated post, with sound analysis and rebuttal to the reflexive conservative reaction that bin Laden and the world’s scientists agree on something.
See what you’ve done Graham?
My wee pearl of wisdom is awaiting moderation! As will this…..
When will you learn NOT to be unspeakable about the unspeakable!
(I’ve been edited;-it’s quite painless).
Can some one please tell me why God and barrack bin laden are on the same side as the the devil in prada?
For christs sake help me make sense of this load of camel fleas!
Is obama making co2 bombs to fly into america? To kill people with? And what is a level 59 soduku please help me mario Im cracking up!
I love stumbling across a popcorn thread by accident.
More insane theories in 12 comments than I’ve seen in a while. Keep up the good work, all you folks with “inside information”.
Rick68, before you start ranting about the bomb being dropped on Japan, do some research and you will realise just how many millions would have been killed if it wasn’t. What do you think Stalin would have done had he got to Japan first? If you are talking about eye for an eye the Japanese got out of it very lucky indeed considereing the 20,000,000 or so that were killed in Manchuria…by them!
Daniel and you know he’s alive because?
The unverified audio tapes? Pray tell Daniel, why doesn’t Bin Laden make video messages anymore?
Mmmm
Perhaps YOU could ask the FBI that.
RICK68 first of all the bomb killed more like 105% people but that’s beside the point. those bombs stopped america having to invade and saved millions of lives overall. you seem to only a have problem with the atomic bomb in world war two. so apparently its ok for more people to die the old fashioned way. by the time the war ended 250,000 japanese had already died in just 6 of the biggest cities from CONVENTIONAL bombing – far higher than the casualties of the atomic bomb.
*105,000 people
I must be living on another planet, because I heard this story some time ago.
Nor have I hear of Anna Rose before this, but it doesn’t take an Einstein to know that where there’s a bandwagon people will climb on it.
When this so called news first broke everyone ignored it, possibly because it was too outrageous to be believable.
Surely the author should have ‘broken’ her story via the excellent daily tabloid known as the Herald Sun where lives her most assiduous acolyte, and co-believer in alien rubbish.
I speak, of course, of Andrew Bolt, a man of several hundred thousand missing pixels in his interior computer screen.
Coming from the Americans, whose forefathers said! “the only good injun is a dead injun”, and who supplied arms to Saddam, when at war with Iran—give us a break, the USA is it’s own worst enemy, reminds me of my school history, The Fall Of The Roman Empire. Now we have these ARMS DEALERS, supply weapons to Taiwan.Regards Richard Ryan. PS please don’t put my home address on your site like Piers Akerman did to me the other day,because as he did not like my comment. What a scally-wag,he is.
Yes as someone said! learn to use chopsticks,before it becomes compulsary,when the sleeping tiger, China makes it’s move, it will be a whole new ball game then!
How petty is this, um, ‘argument’ (and the minds of the people waging it) that it instantly gets wedged on whether or nor Osama bin Laden is actually dead/real or not? On the scale of things, I’d say some dubious recording from the supposed Evil One playing green politics is the very least of our concerns. Can’t see the wood for the conspiracy theory.
While I’m at it…
I just wish more people would realise that bin Laden plays exactly the same function for ‘Al Qaeda’ that Mickey Mouse plays for Disney. It’s not about the figurehead, it’s about the ideas. And you can’t kill ideas with an army.
RE: LS
The fact of Bin Laden being alive or dead is very important in regards to this particular issue.
I agree 100%, Al-Qaeda (Which only existed after 9/11, beforehand it was the Mujahadeen armed and trained by the US to fight the Soviets) is an idea that cannot be killed.
That’s what makes “his” statement on climate change so pertinent.
To the general public he will be immortal and that’s what makes this article propaganda.
Bin Laden was a CIA assest, period. That’s fact. That’s history. He was head of the resistance against the Soviets in the 80s in Afghanistan and the CIA funded and trained them.
So why are we to believe that Bin Laden, after 9 years, with a kidney problem (on dialysis) knows what to say about climate change? Why the sudden leap in opinion? Why oh why does he release audio tapes right before elections, major policy announcements and conferences?!
Wake up people.
mranderson86:
I see your bin Laden CIA mole and raise you two Lee Harvey Oswalds.
Yeah it’s all cute and funny isn’t it.
Instead of making a comical quip about it demonstrating to others that it’s nothing more than a joke, try researching it for yourself and refute my claims.
Well according to the book “Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan, and Bin Laden, from the Soviet Invasion to September 10, 2001″ bin Laden was never a CIA asset, nor did al Qaeda receive any funding from the CIA.
The CIA, will fund any group who will suit their requirements—they have no morals, those CIA clones. Regards RR.
Here is Brzezinski’s pep talk to the Mujahadeen – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYvO3qAlyTg
(Delete if repost, internet connection).
RE: Daniel
Al-Qaeda as I’ve said only existed after 9/11 so your mixing with technicalities.
It was known as the Mujahadeen.
Hillary Clinton admits US funding
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2CE0fyz4ys
President Jimmy Carter’s National Security Advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski visiting ‘his boy’, Osama Bin Laden, in training with the Pakistan Army, 1981 – http://www.flickr.com/photos/wilsnod/68772733/
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/155236.stm – ‘The Afghan jihad was backed with American dollars and had the blessing of the governments of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
He received security training from the CIA itself, according to Middle Eastern analyst Hazhir Teimourian.
While in Afghanistan, he founded the Maktab al-Khidimat (MAK), which recruited fighters from around the world and imported equipment to aid the Afghan resistance against the Soviet army.’
http://www.proxsa.org/resources/9-11/Brzezinski-980115-interview.htm – Brzezinski: “Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.”
Osama bin Laden, A.K.A.
CIA Asset “Tim Osman”
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/binladen_cia.html
But that is besides the point really.
Osama Bin Laden, dead or alive caring about climate change? It’s pure propaganda for the UN.
mranderson86:
Hang on … how about you first explain why receiving money from the American government really has to mean that this bin Laden chap is automatically a pawn of the CIA? Why aren’t you even considering that he might have double-crossed the US and milked them for their paranoia of the Soviets? And why this assumption that the US simply has to somehow be behind every significant conflict in the world, pulling everyone’s strings … just because? Where’s the critical thinking?
Well I don’t know why my messages are always awaiting approval but Daniel if your reading this and want to get my replies email mattanderson86 [at] gmail.com
Must be the urls I add.
I do really wish they would of approved my previous comment to put it into context.
He was a pawn of the intelligence services up until 9/11 as Sibel Edmonds explains, she was an FBI translator. – http://www.bradblog. com/?p=7332 & http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=TWbyZSnHFkc
So of course Bin Laden did “double-cross” the West.
The US doesn’t have to be behind every significant conflict but it has the means to, no?
Look at how many coups have been carried out since the OSS became the CIA.
This is kind of besides the point of the article.
Just stop for a moment, take a breath and just picture this > Bin Laden criticising the US on it’s environmental policy.
Whether your this or that regarding climate change this is bonafide propaganda.
This can only occur purely because he is dead.
If this was such a pertinent issue to Osama then why no video message? How come audio is always “not verified yet” but forgotten about as quickly?
He is the 21st century Goldstein. (eg 1984). A bogeyman to divide and conquer the masses into continual conflict amongst each other.
Here’s my email so I can send additional info if your willing. mattanderson86 [at] gmail.com
Cheers.
OMG. The standard of this debate beggars belief. When a perfectly argued but utterly foundless article is posted you all go into partisan freefall. The right wing stooges versus the left wing libertarians. LOOK AT THE ARTICLE. What does it say? Media analysis 101: “Osama Bin Laden, a murderer who shows no concern for human lives…” The reporter has, in the first line mind you, already shown herself to be unobjective. She has pejudged, where no court has dared to do so. How does she know Osama Bin Laden exists at all? Whether or not he is an invention of cyberspace? Secondarily to her summary of Bin Ladens supposed beliefs: “As a terrorist who has already caused chaos and destruction, imagine Bin Laden’s excitement at the thought of a climate-changed world. He doesn’t care about protecting human lives; but rather destroying them…” Does he really? I’m sure, if he exists, that he cares about his fellow fighters and their supporters and the governments that support them and we all know who they are and how affected they would be by climate change? What comes through, when one reads between the lines, is a blatant attempt by those in power and who stand to profit from the status quo to keep this world on a power sucking money making carbon guzzling path by aligning green activists with terrorists (handy that) because it makes CEOs rich and share holders even richer. Qui Bono? Follow the money, not the argument. All these right wing implants are here to throw you off the money trail. Follow the money. It will always lead you to the truth.
RE: Daniel
#29 & #32
Conspiracy Paranoia 101:
1) Choose the least likely scenario.
2) Declare it an insight.
3) Decry anyone who disagrees with you as either a right-wing conspiracy apologist, or an ignorant fool.
4) Repeat.
And really, prefabric8:
If you’re going to complain about “all (on this thread going) into partisan freefall”, then how do you explain arbitrarily linking Anna Rose with this little pearl of partisan conjecture? – “a blatant attempt by those in power and who stand to profit from the status quo (who? … the author, Ms. Rose? So she simply must be on the take too?) to keep this world on a power sucking money making carbon guzzling path by aligning green activists with terrorists (handy that) because it makes CEOs rich and share holders even richer”.
Critical thinking gets suspended when people look with tunnel vission at a concept they really want to believe in. I don’t go for the US-must-be-responsible-for-everything-bad-in-this-world mentality, nor the opposite. Nor do I go for the Osama-bin-Laden-as-global-baddie-No.1, or the opposite either. Frankly, I think, as a society – nay, civilisation – that we should pull our collective heads out of our collective arses and look at what strategies we might feasibly be able to implement to allay what’s causing all this hatred in the first place.
Conspiracy theories look pretty irrelevant when you start talking tin tacks on what actually matters in terms of lives, welfare and prosperity. And on the scale of things so far, this ‘bin Laden’, his mob, and whoever else follows ‘his’ lead aren’t having much of an impact on any of them.
And you think my argument beggars belief…
RE: prefabric8
Don’t get me started on the left / right political paradigm.
Whether it’s Kevin Rudd or Tony Abbott, they’ll sell this country out and let you foot the bill over a non-issue. The earth is warming, the earth has also cooled. The climate has, is and will change despite our meagre incursion.
That’s not to say we shouldn’t embrace electric cars (that could of been achieved in the 90s by any government but what happened? Nothing).
And for those whining on about population growth marinate in this: India & China’s use of fossil fuels is to modernise and lift the population in general from poverty & industrialisation, therefore with a higher standard of living the population automatically plains out. It is then the social norm to have a nuclear family.
However what the UN and their NGO surrogates like the AYCC and Co. want is de-industrialisation by stealth through cutesy green language.
I wouldn’t at all be surprised (and in fact I’m not as one blogger adovacated this) if many in the psuedo-eco movement wanted the general population to adopt a carbon credits scheme whereby each food, transport, luxury item has the amount of Co2 it emits, this then will be deducted from the limit on your card and if you want to purchase more you’ll have to buy them off those who want to sell their excess credits.
That’s how far some want to go.
But so far nobody has answered why would Bin Laden comment on the environment after all these years?
+ Any critical comments or questions seem to be ignored by any NGO like AYCC, WWF etc.
They only deal with the converted who can nod with them.
Please-please! Control yourselves,Andrew Bolt on ABC Insiders this Sunday morning, telling the story to Rupert Murdoch’s requirements who is Bolt’s boss. Rupert is the man who renounced his Aussie citizenship—for American Capitalism. Contain yourselves, I knew this would make your day.
Don’t know if this is true or not,just heard on the grapevine that all Bolt’s bloggers are having breakfast together as they watch ABC Insiders—now that is what I call loyalty. Imagine this mob of brain-washed bloggers, singing the praises from the same hymn book—it would be a nightmare. Some say the breakfast is at that bloggers place, who screens under the name spot the dog.
Bin Laden is already helping the green movement- by making it very difficult to fly, thus reducing emissions from jet engines
http://e6n1.blogspot.com/
Nice scam this Osama story … is it april 1 yet…..
Rick68, I imagine at their breakfast they’ll be moving onto their next topic now that they’ve fixed the global warming science. Making a few inroads into debunking the whole sting theory fraud is my guess….
“if the Universe is composed of vibrating filaments then how come I haven’t noticed it at St Kilda beach” ,
“It’s all a plot to tax us in more than one dimension”,
“Edward Witten proposed M-theory because he’s a communist who wants to tax us all”…etc
John Howard may have a job on the ICC board as president, Howard a former lawyer, and silly old me thinking he got the job, as president of the International Criminal Court.For the record Howard was the man who plunged Australia, into the Iraqi war, to please George Bush. Howard on the world cricket board, will be a God-send to terrorists, imagine suicide bombers among cricket lovers on a big world cricket match, here, or on the continent. ASIO must take steps to see that this former war Prime Minister, never takes up this position on the world cricket board, or world cricket is doomed. Regards Richard Ryan.