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		<title>Comment on Climate change cage match &#8212; a fight to the death by kdkd</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/rooted/2009/04/08/climate-change-cage-match-a-fight-to-the-death/#comment-1907</link>
		<dc:creator>kdkd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For example, your constant harping on about forcing statistics (yes, that too is a statistical model, but you seem blissfully unaware of that fact) you&#039;ve repeatedly ignored requests to relate it to the temperature anomaly.  I&#039;m guessing that&#039;s because you&#039;re trying to make some kind of point out of obstinate pride, but deep down you know that your favourite forcing model is meerly a layer of obsufucation over the fact that the IPCC models&#039; problems are in the oposite direction to what you want - their models underestimate the amount of observed warming, and we&#039;ve got less time to deal with this problem than we thought.

Again, if you don&#039;t want to be part of the solution, at least stop contributing to being part of the problem.  You&#039;re a blog scientist [1], and your constant over-extension of limited data shows that you really know very little about the conservative cautious process underlying proper science.

[1] http://denialdepot.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For example, your constant harping on about forcing statistics (yes, that too is a statistical model, but you seem blissfully unaware of that fact) you&#8217;ve repeatedly ignored requests to relate it to the temperature anomaly.  I&#8217;m guessing that&#8217;s because you&#8217;re trying to make some kind of point out of obstinate pride, but deep down you know that your favourite forcing model is meerly a layer of obsufucation over the fact that the IPCC models&#8217; problems are in the oposite direction to what you want &#8211; their models underestimate the amount of observed warming, and we&#8217;ve got less time to deal with this problem than we thought.</p>
<p>Again, if you don&#8217;t want to be part of the solution, at least stop contributing to being part of the problem.  You&#8217;re a blog scientist [1], and your constant over-extension of limited data shows that you really know very little about the conservative cautious process underlying proper science.</p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://denialdepot.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://denialdepot.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Climate change cage match &#8212; a fight to the death by kdkd</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/rooted/2009/04/08/climate-change-cage-match-a-fight-to-the-death/#comment-1906</link>
		<dc:creator>kdkd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken, you&#039;ve never fessed up your incredible quantity of errors. This diminishes the value of your opinions remarkably.  The two or tree occasions I&#039;ve made an error in this rather long and pointless conversation I&#039;ve fessed up immediately.  Because unlike you I have nothing to hide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, you&#8217;ve never fessed up your incredible quantity of errors. This diminishes the value of your opinions remarkably.  The two or tree occasions I&#8217;ve made an error in this rather long and pointless conversation I&#8217;ve fessed up immediately.  Because unlike you I have nothing to hide.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Climate change cage match &#8212; a fight to the death by kdkd</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/rooted/2009/04/08/climate-change-cage-match-a-fight-to-the-death/#comment-1905</link>
		<dc:creator>kdkd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the change in solar input over the past decade is one example of why the trend magnitude varies over short periods of time.  And so why certainty only develops over longer periods.

Over extending your claims again ken?  Bad habit there, better give it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the change in solar input over the past decade is one example of why the trend magnitude varies over short periods of time.  And so why certainty only develops over longer periods.</p>
<p>Over extending your claims again ken?  Bad habit there, better give it up.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Climate change cage match &#8212; a fight to the death by Ken Lambert</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/rooted/2009/04/08/climate-change-cage-match-a-fight-to-the-death/#comment-1904</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Lambert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny isn&#039;t it viewers?

When kdkd makes the claim that why &#039;we can’t observe a warming trend in recent years due to the effect of solar irradiance confounding the effect of greenhouse gasses&#039; and gets proven wrong with his own published data (by me) - his explanation  is now that the 30 years was an &#039;off the cuff remark&#039; and the number should have been 10 years.

This is amid all his quibbling about whether 15 years was long enough to be statistically significant and denial that 10 years was long enough to establish a heating or cooling trend, and all the statistical theorising to impress the punters....

Heating by CO2 GHG forcing imbalance is a vital part of AGW theory.  Cooling is very hard to explain for AGW theorists.  That is why the AGW bloggers go berserk when &#039;cooling&#039; is mentioned.  They know it doesn&#039;t fit the scripted alarmist message.

But for you, a major boo-boo is just an &#039;off the cuff&#039; remark.

You are making it up as you go along son, and been found out - your credibility to contribute is shot - so you are the one who needs self-examination and a little re-education in a better class school - one which teaches rigor, consistency and..............honesty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny isn&#8217;t it viewers?</p>
<p>When kdkd makes the claim that why &#8216;we can’t observe a warming trend in recent years due to the effect of solar irradiance confounding the effect of greenhouse gasses&#8217; and gets proven wrong with his own published data (by me) &#8211; his explanation  is now that the 30 years was an &#8216;off the cuff remark&#8217; and the number should have been 10 years.</p>
<p>This is amid all his quibbling about whether 15 years was long enough to be statistically significant and denial that 10 years was long enough to establish a heating or cooling trend, and all the statistical theorising to impress the punters&#8230;.</p>
<p>Heating by CO2 GHG forcing imbalance is a vital part of AGW theory.  Cooling is very hard to explain for AGW theorists.  That is why the AGW bloggers go berserk when &#8216;cooling&#8217; is mentioned.  They know it doesn&#8217;t fit the scripted alarmist message.</p>
<p>But for you, a major boo-boo is just an &#8216;off the cuff&#8217; remark.</p>
<p>You are making it up as you go along son, and been found out &#8211; your credibility to contribute is shot &#8211; so you are the one who needs self-examination and a little re-education in a better class school &#8211; one which teaches rigor, consistency and&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..honesty.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Climate change cage match &#8212; a fight to the death by kdkd</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/rooted/2009/04/08/climate-change-cage-match-a-fight-to-the-death/#comment-1903</link>
		<dc:creator>kdkd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh dear Ken,

I said my off the cuff remark of 30 years was incorrect, it&#039;s closer to 10.

On the other hand your paranoid political drivel, littany of errors and other nonsense is really tiresome, and you diminish any part of your discussion that might have some relevance.  And you&#039;ve never fessed up to your errors.

Confabulation and perseveration.  Why are you bothering.  You know you&#039;re wrong but you keep ploughing the same furrow, and pointing to the same stones pretending that there&#039;s some relevance there.  Give up.  If you don&#039;t want to be part of the solution, at least stop trying to prolong the problem.  Your time has passed.  We&#039;ve moved on from the exaggeration of doubt  - right now your mob have moved on to pretending that we should delay instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear Ken,</p>
<p>I said my off the cuff remark of 30 years was incorrect, it&#8217;s closer to 10.</p>
<p>On the other hand your paranoid political drivel, littany of errors and other nonsense is really tiresome, and you diminish any part of your discussion that might have some relevance.  And you&#8217;ve never fessed up to your errors.</p>
<p>Confabulation and perseveration.  Why are you bothering.  You know you&#8217;re wrong but you keep ploughing the same furrow, and pointing to the same stones pretending that there&#8217;s some relevance there.  Give up.  If you don&#8217;t want to be part of the solution, at least stop trying to prolong the problem.  Your time has passed.  We&#8217;ve moved on from the exaggeration of doubt  &#8211; right now your mob have moved on to pretending that we should delay instead.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Climate change cage match &#8212; a fight to the death by Ken Lambert</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/rooted/2009/04/08/climate-change-cage-match-a-fight-to-the-death/#comment-1902</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Lambert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 03:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#946

correction:  &quot;retrospective abortion&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#946</p>
<p>correction:  &#8220;retrospective abortion&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Climate change cage match &#8212; a fight to the death by Ken Lambert</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/rooted/2009/04/08/climate-change-cage-match-a-fight-to-the-death/#comment-1901</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Lambert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kdkd #944 #945

You are a nasty little pratt aren&#039;t you?

When your attempts at numbers and units and claims about important issues such as &quot;a 30 year drop in TSI and Solar forcing&quot; are shown to be wrong USING YOUR OWN KARAOKE DATA, you cut up very rough indeed.

The viewers could only conclude that you have no understanding of energy and temperature issues vital to the AGW debate, because I have nailed you every time you tried to expound on the standard AGW mantra.

By the way, one &#039;sows&#039; seeds (and doubt) and &#039;sews&#039; one&#039;s lips together.

Something you should consider.... along with retrospecive abortion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kdkd #944 #945</p>
<p>You are a nasty little pratt aren&#8217;t you?</p>
<p>When your attempts at numbers and units and claims about important issues such as &#8220;a 30 year drop in TSI and Solar forcing&#8221; are shown to be wrong USING YOUR OWN KARAOKE DATA, you cut up very rough indeed.</p>
<p>The viewers could only conclude that you have no understanding of energy and temperature issues vital to the AGW debate, because I have nailed you every time you tried to expound on the standard AGW mantra.</p>
<p>By the way, one &#8217;sows&#8217; seeds (and doubt) and &#8217;sews&#8217; one&#8217;s lips together.</p>
<p>Something you should consider&#8230;. along with retrospecive abortion.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Climate change cage match &#8212; a fight to the death by kdkd</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/rooted/2009/04/08/climate-change-cage-match-a-fight-to-the-death/#comment-1900</link>
		<dc:creator>kdkd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was also good to see your rather weird and pointless comment from Crikey on thursday being shown to be a total waste of space on friday by the way.  Confabulation and drawing conclusions without evidence to do so are also things that you do.  Give up old man.  Move on.  You are wrong, and sewing needess confusion is a dangerous position for this important problem.  You have been warned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was also good to see your rather weird and pointless comment from Crikey on thursday being shown to be a total waste of space on friday by the way.  Confabulation and drawing conclusions without evidence to do so are also things that you do.  Give up old man.  Move on.  You are wrong, and sewing needess confusion is a dangerous position for this important problem.  You have been warned.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Climate change cage match &#8212; a fight to the death by kdkd</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/rooted/2009/04/08/climate-change-cage-match-a-fight-to-the-death/#comment-1899</link>
		<dc:creator>kdkd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken

Your MO is to bang on about the same old crap until you confuse people with your obscure points and needless shifting of units from one to another for no reason except to sew confustion.  So let me summarise for you.

Despite the number of electrons that you waste, it makes no difference because (and this is the important bit).  The prior predictions and observed data clearly demonstrate that we are on a course for dangerous human caused global warming.

So pissing around with units, models deliberately stated in a way as to be confusing, honing in on relatively unimportant minutae makes no difference to this observed date.

You sir are a bullshitter par excellence. You&#039;ve done yourself quickly many times on this forum - your lack of insight into the stupidity of your position is amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken</p>
<p>Your MO is to bang on about the same old crap until you confuse people with your obscure points and needless shifting of units from one to another for no reason except to sew confustion.  So let me summarise for you.</p>
<p>Despite the number of electrons that you waste, it makes no difference because (and this is the important bit).  The prior predictions and observed data clearly demonstrate that we are on a course for dangerous human caused global warming.</p>
<p>So pissing around with units, models deliberately stated in a way as to be confusing, honing in on relatively unimportant minutae makes no difference to this observed date.</p>
<p>You sir are a bullshitter par excellence. You&#8217;ve done yourself quickly many times on this forum &#8211; your lack of insight into the stupidity of your position is amazing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Climate change cage match &#8212; a fight to the death by Ken Lambert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Lambert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kdkd 

In my posts #936, #938, #940, your errors and misfires have been identified and exposed.  Like your bar heaters in the past, as soon as a Watt is mentioned - your attempts at explaining the heat-up and cooling issues dissolve into childish accusations of obscurity on my part.  You claimed a 30 year drop in TSI and Solar forcing and I have demolished that claim.

Your response: &quot;Whatever&quot;  - another piece of Gen Z ghettospeak.

Even the most non-technical of laymen viewer could follow my arguments, and the hoisting of yours on your own petard.

Your latest effort in Post #941 is a case in point.   

kdkd:  &quot;So one of the reasons that we can’t observe a warming trend in recent years is due to the effect of solar irradiance confounding the effect of greenhouse gasses&quot;

This is extraordinary.  After weeks of your arguing that a &#039;warming&#039; trend exists right up to the present day according to your statistical analysis; now you concede that &quot;we can&#039;t observe a warming trend in recent years due to the effect of solar irradiance confounding the effect of greenhouse gasses&quot;.

Another win for KL and Tamas and the forces of reading the actual data.

And what is the implication of &quot;the effect of solar irradiance confounding the effect of greenhouse gasses&quot;.

Well if you take your Wiki graph of the variations of TSI over the 11 year cycle (5 declining years most recently), this equates to about 0.25 W/sq.m peak to trough drop in F.solar forcing at the Earth&#039;s surface.  (about 1 W/sq.m TSI)

If 0.25 W/sq.m reduction in solar forcing is enough to &#039;confound&#039; CO2 GHG warming and &#039;stop the warming trend&#039;, then the effect of CO2 GHG must be of magnitude around 0.25 W/sq.m.  

But as we all know, the IPCC number on anthropogenic (human induced) forcing (mainly CO2 GHG) is +1.6 W/sq.m and rising yearly.  0.25 is a lot less that 1.6 isn&#039;t it kdkd?

Which adds weight to my consistent argument that the effect of CO2 GHG has been exaggerated by the IPCC and deliberately distorted in its &quot;Notes for Policymakers&quot; to scare sh*tless the Rudds and Wongs of this world into hasty and ill-conceived ETS and CPRS schemes.

And on a personal note; your childish abuse and hyperbolic smearing of both Tamas and myself has brought upon me an attack of the &quot;Paul Keatings&quot;.

That dark knight of invective had two apposite sayings:  &#039;the devil is in the details&#039; and &#039;I want to do you slowly&#039;.

kdkd....after all these months..... I am enjoying &#039;doing you slowly&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kdkd </p>
<p>In my posts #936, #938, #940, your errors and misfires have been identified and exposed.  Like your bar heaters in the past, as soon as a Watt is mentioned &#8211; your attempts at explaining the heat-up and cooling issues dissolve into childish accusations of obscurity on my part.  You claimed a 30 year drop in TSI and Solar forcing and I have demolished that claim.</p>
<p>Your response: &#8220;Whatever&#8221;  &#8211; another piece of Gen Z ghettospeak.</p>
<p>Even the most non-technical of laymen viewer could follow my arguments, and the hoisting of yours on your own petard.</p>
<p>Your latest effort in Post #941 is a case in point.   </p>
<p>kdkd:  &#8220;So one of the reasons that we can’t observe a warming trend in recent years is due to the effect of solar irradiance confounding the effect of greenhouse gasses&#8221;</p>
<p>This is extraordinary.  After weeks of your arguing that a &#8216;warming&#8217; trend exists right up to the present day according to your statistical analysis; now you concede that &#8220;we can&#8217;t observe a warming trend in recent years due to the effect of solar irradiance confounding the effect of greenhouse gasses&#8221;.</p>
<p>Another win for KL and Tamas and the forces of reading the actual data.</p>
<p>And what is the implication of &#8220;the effect of solar irradiance confounding the effect of greenhouse gasses&#8221;.</p>
<p>Well if you take your Wiki graph of the variations of TSI over the 11 year cycle (5 declining years most recently), this equates to about 0.25 W/sq.m peak to trough drop in F.solar forcing at the Earth&#8217;s surface.  (about 1 W/sq.m TSI)</p>
<p>If 0.25 W/sq.m reduction in solar forcing is enough to &#8216;confound&#8217; CO2 GHG warming and &#8217;stop the warming trend&#8217;, then the effect of CO2 GHG must be of magnitude around 0.25 W/sq.m.  </p>
<p>But as we all know, the IPCC number on anthropogenic (human induced) forcing (mainly CO2 GHG) is +1.6 W/sq.m and rising yearly.  0.25 is a lot less that 1.6 isn&#8217;t it kdkd?</p>
<p>Which adds weight to my consistent argument that the effect of CO2 GHG has been exaggerated by the IPCC and deliberately distorted in its &#8220;Notes for Policymakers&#8221; to scare sh*tless the Rudds and Wongs of this world into hasty and ill-conceived ETS and CPRS schemes.</p>
<p>And on a personal note; your childish abuse and hyperbolic smearing of both Tamas and myself has brought upon me an attack of the &#8220;Paul Keatings&#8221;.</p>
<p>That dark knight of invective had two apposite sayings:  &#8216;the devil is in the details&#8217; and &#8216;I want to do you slowly&#8217;.</p>
<p>kdkd&#8230;.after all these months&#8230;.. I am enjoying &#8216;doing you slowly&#8217;.</p>
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