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		<title>By: Bartlett: What matters about Utegate &#124; Opinions.com.au</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/thestump/2009/06/24/584/#comment-634</link>
		<dc:creator>Bartlett: What matters about Utegate &#124; Opinions.com.au</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 02:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Originally posted here:  Bartlett: What matters about Utegate [...]</description>
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		<title>By: beevo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/thestump/2009/06/24/584/#comment-633</link>
		<dc:creator>beevo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My typoing is rubbhsi... sorry</description>
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		<title>By: beevo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/thestump/2009/06/24/584/#comment-632</link>
		<dc:creator>beevo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;saltwarts&quot; pete? :) Keep applying the cream and call me next week.

I am no champion  of the media but have seen little to blame them for in this. I have (sadly) been listening to parliament a lot on my trips in and out of thge city of late and the reps (and Senators) on both sides cannot leave this lame duck alone. EVERY day they drag it up and manage to tack it on to whatever argument or question they are on about. It is a non-issue and i wish they would get back to debating important things.
i am not a fan but if KR was my local member (let alone an aquaintance) i would expect an ear to listen to my problems over a wine or two. A bit different if I was trying to swing some governmnet contract or whatever my way but if I had a legitimate issue or need, why not?
the funny thing about the email being denounced as a fraud is it seems the content was fairly close to the truth. maybe this was the motive for initiating it.
Or matbe it was just to embarass MT?
old news I reckon.
As Andrew has said, a lot of important time has been wasted when there are more pressing issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;saltwarts&#8221; pete? <img src='http://blogs.crikey.com.au/thestump/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Keep applying the cream and call me next week.</p>
<p>I am no champion  of the media but have seen little to blame them for in this. I have (sadly) been listening to parliament a lot on my trips in and out of thge city of late and the reps (and Senators) on both sides cannot leave this lame duck alone. EVERY day they drag it up and manage to tack it on to whatever argument or question they are on about. It is a non-issue and i wish they would get back to debating important things.<br />
i am not a fan but if KR was my local member (let alone an aquaintance) i would expect an ear to listen to my problems over a wine or two. A bit different if I was trying to swing some governmnet contract or whatever my way but if I had a legitimate issue or need, why not?<br />
the funny thing about the email being denounced as a fraud is it seems the content was fairly close to the truth. maybe this was the motive for initiating it.<br />
Or matbe it was just to embarass MT?<br />
old news I reckon.<br />
As Andrew has said, a lot of important time has been wasted when there are more pressing issues.</p>
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		<title>By: petethegeo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/thestump/2009/06/24/584/#comment-631</link>
		<dc:creator>petethegeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 05:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot on, It&#039;s a wonder the PM is calling for Malcom&#039;s resignation, Mr Turnbull has done more for the govenment in the last week than any labor saltwarts.

The flaws with the democratic system are nothing new and I agree with you, it isn&#039;t the media&#039;s fault; Indeed Socrates pointed out this very issue with the system ~380BC....

It really is our fault, they&#039;re our pollies, the people need to hold them accountable, not rely on someone who&#039;s after TV ratings of paper sales.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on, It&#8217;s a wonder the PM is calling for Malcom&#8217;s resignation, Mr Turnbull has done more for the govenment in the last week than any labor saltwarts.</p>
<p>The flaws with the democratic system are nothing new and I agree with you, it isn&#8217;t the media&#8217;s fault; Indeed Socrates pointed out this very issue with the system ~380BC&#8230;.</p>
<p>It really is our fault, they&#8217;re our pollies, the people need to hold them accountable, not rely on someone who&#8217;s after TV ratings of paper sales.</p>
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		<title>By: auntypizza</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/thestump/2009/06/24/584/#comment-630</link>
		<dc:creator>auntypizza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 02:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just more of the same childish behaviour that is served up constantly in question time. As a person who didn&#039;t study politics in secondary school, I have started to try and learn about the whole process, but question time is just embarrassing and stupendously rude.

I was taught to not speak over someone, and not interrupt someone when they are speaking - it is the height of rudeness, but somehow it is acceptable in parliament? The whole UteGate thing is about males locking horns and exuding grotty amounts of testosterone. Quite appalling. No policies are being discussed whatsoever. Pathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just more of the same childish behaviour that is served up constantly in question time. As a person who didn&#8217;t study politics in secondary school, I have started to try and learn about the whole process, but question time is just embarrassing and stupendously rude.</p>
<p>I was taught to not speak over someone, and not interrupt someone when they are speaking &#8211; it is the height of rudeness, but somehow it is acceptable in parliament? The whole UteGate thing is about males locking horns and exuding grotty amounts of testosterone. Quite appalling. No policies are being discussed whatsoever. Pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Bartlett</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/thestump/2009/06/24/584/#comment-629</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Bartlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you wish Sepa. But I don&#039;t think just blaming the media serves much purpose - the media are the way they for a reason and a lot of it is to with what people are interested in.

Most of the public are more interested in stoushes and scandal than policy and politicians who are skilled in winning the media contest in these areas tend to be  valued.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you wish Sepa. But I don&#8217;t think just blaming the media serves much purpose &#8211; the media are the way they for a reason and a lot of it is to with what people are interested in.</p>
<p>Most of the public are more interested in stoushes and scandal than policy and politicians who are skilled in winning the media contest in these areas tend to be  valued.</p>
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		<title>By: sepa</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/thestump/2009/06/24/584/#comment-628</link>
		<dc:creator>sepa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What can you expect from an ex-Democrat but fence sitting. You most definitely can blame the media for giving legs to this nasty, grubby smear campaign by the Opposition. Any fool could see from the start it was a trivial matter, but the media, fed by Turnbull and co, played it for all it was worth.

The media, having drawn some blood, now seems happy to wash its hands of this story. Many serious questions remain unanswered, but that would require some journalistic investigation, not just spoonfeeding from politicians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What can you expect from an ex-Democrat but fence sitting. You most definitely can blame the media for giving legs to this nasty, grubby smear campaign by the Opposition. Any fool could see from the start it was a trivial matter, but the media, fed by Turnbull and co, played it for all it was worth.</p>
<p>The media, having drawn some blood, now seems happy to wash its hands of this story. Many serious questions remain unanswered, but that would require some journalistic investigation, not just spoonfeeding from politicians.</p>
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