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Too clever by half – has Gillard’s rise screwed up the Right? And can Labor still lose it if they try?

“Was there a retrospective lesson for Gordon Brown in the rise of Julia Gillard?” a UK newspaper asked a couple of days ago. The thought seems predicated on the idea that Australia hasn’t yet got that inter-tubes thingy which allows us to see what’s happening in other countries.

For it seems likely that the one decisive factor in the final decision to sack Kevin Rudd was not the factions, or the polls, or his lack of allies – it was the hideous example from the UK of what happens when you don’t act decisively. Anyone who watched the decline and fall of Gordon Brown isn’t likely to have much truck with Labor sentimentality.

Brown and UK Labour made two big mistakes..

The first, at the time of his accession, was to allow public discussion of whether he would go to an early legitimating poll, or serve his full term. Brown should have either had the poll – which he most likely would have won (perhaps requiring Lib Dem support to govern), or he should have firmly asserted the principle that parliament chooses the prime minister, and that people elect a local member, not a President. He did neither, and the rot set in.

The second mistake was by the party – not acting decisively when it was clear that Brown was a poor leader and was perceived as such. The party allowed the right-wing media to put Brown’s leadership into play, and then lacked the wherewithall to resolve it. The speed and decisiveness of the removal of Rudd took many by surprise (even those who had predicted he would go) because there was little precedent. It was a shift in the way Labor operates, ie a small historical moment. If you assume that the future will always behave like the past, then you’re bound to be surprised.

The media Right certainly have been. Prime Minister Gillard, and the speed and smoothness of her accession was the last thing they wanted – and they may be wondering if they have now not overplayed their hand. Their ideal was to destabilise Rudd’s leadership, and rely on Labor’s traditions – loyalty or sentimentality depending on your perspective – to do the rest. Having used Brown’s predicament as a model, they appear to have forgotten that other people read the newspapers.

Having dealt with that effectively, will Labor also deal better with the other offside trap – the question of legitimacy? They are going to have to come out of the box really quick with a clear, distinct and single message on the nature of political leadership – either affirm the Westminster principle of government in a culture where leadership is seen as increasingly presidential, or announce an election within a week or so at the latest.

Should they dither or give mixed signals, they’re gone. They’ve already tipped it one way with Gillard’s announcement that she’ll stay in her Melbourne house – a move which already suggests she’s a candidate for being prime minister, rather than the actual PM. Maybe it’s smart symbolic politics, striking a contrast with Rudd’s monarchical style, but it also sends a mixed message on leadership. It only works in the context of a more or less immediate campaign. And it’s going to look weird if a real crisis eventuates, and Gillard has to actually be a PM.

Labor has about three more days, a week tops, before News Ltd start throwing the kitchen sink at her, and the ovine commercial TV media follow their lead. For the conservatoriat and the Murdoch machine, the stakes couldn’t be higher going backward and forward. Should Abbott win , and set the Coalition up for six years in power then the Howard government’s interrupted project to change the character of Australian life can be continued and extended. Should Labor triumph and renew itself as the natural centrist party of 21st century Australian government, then not only is the Liberal Party thrown into flat-out identity crisis, but the character of the Howard government is settled as well.

It becomes not the harbinger of a new period in Oz history, but an aberration in a half-century of progressivist social democracy (admittedly, of a fairly tepid sort). And for a second time, the conservatoriat’s power – or lack thereof – to determine the government will have been laid bare (even if they can have an effect on shifting its leadership).

There are a few people who wish Rudd had never been deposed. If Labor play the second part of this transition properly, Tony Abbott and Chris Mitchell might be two of them.

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  • 1
    shepherdmarilyn
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 2:18 am | Permalink

    I wish he had never been displaced, it is quite sickening.

  • 2
    GocomSys
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    @shepherdmarylin

    Facts: Gillard – Leader, Rudd – Manager, Abbott – Neither
    Government – Policy substance, Opposition – Vacuum
    Ministers – Talent, Shadow Ministers – None
    Australia now has a leader – let’s keep it that way, why don’t we!

  • 3
    teasin
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    Murdoch and his pals are worried. On Q&A last night it was said that Alan Jones, Andrew Bolt and that Murdoch plant on the ABC board have need to be worried as they actually like Julia
    Teasin

  • 4
    Socratease
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    “Should they dither or give mixed signals, they’re gone. They’ve already tipped it one way with Gillard’s announcement that she’ll stay in her Melbourne house – a move which already suggests she’s a candidate for being prime minister, rather than the actual PM.”

    I don’t read too much into her decision not to move straight into the Lodge, but I would find it very odd if Rudd chose to remain the Lodger any longer than necessary to find alternative digs.

  • 5
    Syd Walker
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    Having just watched Stephen Conroy arrogantly brush aside concerns about Internet censorship and assert the mandatory censorship legislation will go ahead “in the second half of this year”, Julia Gillard had better get used to a very short honeymoon.

    I for one shall be campaigning hard against anyone who indicates support for mandatory Internet censorship. I imagine a network of activists around the country who are passionate about this issue will do the same.

    At the very least Gillard could have waited until after the election. But apparently not: her least-respected Minister gets to reaffirm a policy of unprecedented unpopularity.

    Very bad decision, likely to bad consequences for Labor. I hope she has the sense to over-ride Conroy on this without delay.

    Isn’t the ALP in control of its policy any more on matters of interest to our spooks?

  • 6
    JamesH
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    Syd, from the moment any government appoints spooks it inevitably loses control over them. I can’t think of a single Western intelligence agency that hasn’t been in the news at some point for reckless abuse of power which destabilised its own government and society, and those are just the abuses which actually make the news.

  • 7
    LesterConway
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    I’ll be there campaigning beside you Syd. I’ve been a firm Labor voter all my life, but the paucity of philosophical and intellectual depth in the current makeup, the fact that they have no concept of how seriously transgressive this censorious move is, cannot be ignored. It will massively damage our internet on both a mechanical and a civil libertarian level, while completely failing to stop pedophiles access the material they want.

    If protecting children from being exposed to certain material is their aim, then they could simply legislate that it be mandatory to have net-nannies on computers children have access to, just as they legislate that children have to sit in special car seats. They don’t make us all sit in child seats to make sure the children do…

  • 8
    paddy
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Syd, neither Conroy or Gillard are silly enough to believe the filter will work or should even be implemented.
    It’s a simple matter of going to the election with it (A nice bit of flag waving to the right and the “worried mums and dads”) and then “modifying” it to opt in once they’re returned.
    It’s a storm in a teacup that neither Julia or Conroy ever intend to drink from.

  • 9
    Socratease
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    @Syd Walker:

    Very bad decision, likely to bad consequences for Labor. I hope she has the sense to over-ride Conroy on this without delay.

    If she’s true to her word about her operating style as PM, then it won’t be Gillard that overrides minister Conroy, it will need to be Cabinet.

  • 10
    Mack the Knife
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    I agree with Syd Walker. Conroy has this OCD to force an internet filter on us all that by all accounts is unlikely to be 100% effective anyway. It is absolutely going to bleed Labor votes from young voters.

    The police seem to be able to nab kiddy porn offenders better when the sites are freely available to these vermin.

    I’m surprised that the churches support these measures given that the clergy seem to be the biggest offenders.

  • 11
    Oscar
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    Internet filters????

    Does anyone other than a bunch of techno nerds (who I notice quite swamp the ABC forums these days) think this is an issue on which an election will be decided? Really?

    Get a grip!

    Or could it be that Conway is just the latest target because some people thinks it’s a bit too early to attack Julia directly?

  • 12
    Syd Walker
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    @ Oscar

    Who needs to get a grip here?

    Perhaps you missed recent discussions on Crikey where the subject of the recent SMH online poll was discussed.

    http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/filter-goes-ahead-regardless-20100529-wmg7.html

    When asked “Should the government filter the internet?” a self-selected sample of nearly 90,000 voted 99:1 against.

    No-one is claiming, of course, that 99:1 is a true reflection of overall public opinion. But what you clearly have is a landslide of opinion actively against a measure on which the government has obviously been unable to convince informed public opinion.

    Ignoring such a wave of public opposition would be a very poor start to this new government, which on other subjects is making a more promising start.

    Hence my comment about the ‘filter’ policy being spook-driven. It’s the only sensible explanation, because it sure as help ain’t opinion poll driven – and if the government actually cared a damn about ‘filtering’ it wouldn’t have stopped the program of free handouts of voluntary filters on request that the previous Howard Government began.

  • 13
    shepherdmarilyn
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    Gillard is not a leader she is a dogwhistling racist who will not take responsibility for anything that stuffed up.

  • 14
    Oscar
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    @Syd,

    I’m not talking about who is in favor or oppossed to an internet filter. My own position is that I am very much opposed – and of course I even voted “no” in the poll you refer to.

    However – two things:

    1. Has it occurred to you how much credibility you should place in an ONLINE poll asking whether online access should be restricted?

    2. Given issues like the ongoing Global Financial Crisis, Climate Change, Population & Immigration, Economic Sustainability & Taxation, do you really think anyone is going to change their votes over an issue like Internet Filtering? Really?

    Internet Filtering is not a first order issue. It is not a second order issue. In fact, I doubt it would appear in the “top 10″ for anyone over the age of 18.

  • 15
    Michael James
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    My Marilyn, you’re getting rather touchy about La Gillard and our Ex-PM.

    Normally that level of unthinking vitriol is saved for members on the right of politics.

    Fallen out of love with her already?

  • 16
    Syd Walker
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    @ Oscar

    I agree… to a point. But the point is not great for Labor.

    Pushing ahead with mandatory Internet censorship, in the face of such strong oppostion from internet users and within the IT industry, would help take the gloss off this new government in no time flat.

    It would signal the type of arrogance that was a hallmark of the Rudd Government is still very much alive and well.

    If a government cannot carry with it its own constituency over an important policy initiative such as Internet censorship – and simply brishes public concerns aside – one wonders in what other policy areas the same thing is likely to apply?

    Does it mean we’ll have troops in Afghanistan indefinitely, even when public opinion swings against the war to an even greater extent than now?

    Does it mean that, for all the fine words now, Gillard will come up with another package of climate change policy rorts designed to lock-in long-term emission rises?

    Does it mean that under a Gillard Government we’ll lose even more of our civil liberties in the name of uninvestigated mass murders and ‘terrorist’ attacks?

    Does it mean even more egregious bias towards Israel in Australia’s foreign affairs policy – bias that’s increasingly out of step with broad community attitudes?

  • 17
    Observation
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    Hi People. Being quite the novice can I ask some clarity on the right and left of politics. The Liberal Party left is “liberal” and the liberal right is conservative?….right? What is the Labor right and left? Which side is the union affiliated? I thought they were left but reading into some comments they seem to be on the right? Is the Labor right closer to the liberal left. Sorry to sound uneducated but any comment would help.

  • 18
    Peter Evans
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    Get a grip on the censorship issue! It’s dog whistling to the drearily-called “Howard Battlers” in marginal, suburban seats. It’ll never happen. You do realise don’t you, that modern politics consists almost entirely of these four steps:

    1. Create anxiety over some issue.
    2. Be seen to have solution to problem.
    3. Never actually implement solution
    4. Repeat ad nauseaum for electoral profit (which is why any real solution is never implemented)

    Censorship, immigration, private versus gov schools, house prices, the environment, you name it.

  • 19
    Sancho
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    Really, Oscar? I can only wonder how restricted your conversations are to come to that conclusion. Aging baby boomers might be confused about the importance these new-fangled typewriters with televisions attached, but to the rest of Australia the filter is like the government announcing a plan to exclude all stations but the ABC from television.

    Is television too recent? I can turn it into a radio analogy if that helps.

  • 20
    sickofitall
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    @Michael James: I don’ think Marilyn has fallen out of love iwth her, because that would mean being in love in the first place…

    I think the filter issue will be an issue: not as much as housing, immigration, economy, et cetera. But it might make a couple of seat difference…

  • 21
    Bogong
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    This article would read better and be more pertinent if the author wasn’t obsessed by conspiracy theories to do with “right wing media”. He makes good points that stand on their own, but once he wheels out a conspiracy theory, the article loses a little credibility.

  • 22
    Sancho
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    Bogong, if something as obvious as the existence of right wing media and their pro-Liberal agenda counts as a conspiracy theory, then the existence of large corporations that put profits before ethics, the existence of politicians who aren’t wholly committed to faithfully representing the electorate, and the existence of hugely influential parliamentary lobbyists must also be mere conspiracy theories.

    When does something become so obvious that it can’t be dismissed as paranoia?

  • 23
    Spider
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    Bogong, one of Krud’s many mistakes was to declare that he wouldn’t be spending the multi-millions on advertising that the previous mob did. In depriving the media of one of their gravy trains, he unleashed unheard of vitriol upon his goventment designed to bring them down and to return the corrupt right to their ‘right to rule’ status.
    The “right wing media” is no conspiracy theory.

  • 24
    Oscar
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    @Sancho,

    Could you speak a little louder? I’m a little deaf in that ear – What’s that you say?

    Oh sorry, I must have misunderstood – naturally given a choice between internet filtering and bringing back WorkChoices, towing refugee boats back to international waters, global warming, subsidising multinational mining companies and a leader that has “issues” with telling the truth – naturally I’m going to lodge a protest vote against internet filtering.

    You wish!

  • 25
    Oscar
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    @Syd,

    Ok – I give up. This is getting just a little spooky. Do you really think Julia Gillard is going to put us all in concentration camps while she hands over the reigns of government to Israel?

    Forget about Julia Gillard – now I’m afraid to be sharing a country with you!

  • 26
    Noocat
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    Do not underestimate the impact of public unrest over Labor’s plans to censor the Internet. For now, it is a sleeper issue, as far as the media is concerned. But everywhere I go, people know about it and the vast majority are furious. For many, this is a vote-changing issue because it is a direct attack on some of the freedoms that millions of people use and depend on everyday and, ironically, also has the potential of making the Internet even less safe. It is a lose-lose policy.

    I believe the decline in Labor’s two-party preferred vote began with this issue. There are a lot of younger voters who are upset over it. They are making noises, informing their parents and other family members and friends, which is all leading to widespread mistrust with this government.

    Gillard will be a fool to think she will gain more votes with Internet censorship than she will lose.

  • 27
    Ron E. Joggles
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

    Living in a remote outback location, I don’t see newspapers – that’s why I subscribe to Crikey. So it’s ironic that Crikey articles so often assume a familiarity with print media personalities and articles – despite the much-touted decline of newspapers and the alleged coming dominance of internet media. I had to Google Chris Mitchell to learn that he/she is editor of the Australian – a fact that Guy might have mentioned.
    Apart from this pedantic quibble, it’s an interesting comparison of our situation with Britain’s. My local member stuck by Kevin and so should have the rest of them. Sadly, its done now and we just have to press ahead – an Abbott government is too horrible to contemplate.

  • 28
    davirob
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    Hello Oscar,one of the prevailing myths is that you have to be young to understand modern tech,this is bs.A lot of the issues you speak of move in a glacial fashion and on a day to day basis make little difference to me,but someone stuffing around with my internet connection is a now thing.They should b*gger off and mind their own business and from what I read more people are concerned with this than maybe you realise.Cheers.

  • 29
    Kevin Herbert
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

    I’m with you Marilyn Sheperd……..

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    James McDonald
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    @Observation:

    Hi People. Being quite the novice can I ask some clarity on the right and left of politics. The Liberal Party left is “liberal” and the liberal right is conservative?….right? What is the Labor right and left? Which side is the union affiliated? I thought they were left but reading into some comments they seem to be on the right? Is the Labor right closer to the liberal left. Sorry to sound uneducated but any comment would help.

    “Left” and “Right” are often used in a sloppy way with much confusion and delight in apparent paradoxes. There is a good discussion of the meanings here.

    There are no paradoxes, only relative differences. “Left” means more desire to redistribute wealth and impose social reforms from above, compared to some reference point of view. “Right” means more desire to preserve traditions and institutions, let them evolve gradually without shocks imposed from above, and let free markets operate with minimal government interference.

    Thus a group called the Girondists sat on the left side of the National Assembly in the early days of the French Revolution. They were radicals who wanted to overthrow the feudal order, open up property rights for all and let free enterprise usher in the future. The revolution went further to the extreme democratic left than the Girondists ever expected, so they found themselves later sitting on the Right side and later still hanging from the gallows.

    The NSW Labor Right is a faction which sees the economy as a sort of triangle made up of government, business, and unions, operating in a mainly free market with some controls and an overall progressive vision offered up by leading thinkers. They are also really good at bashing heads, stacking branches and toppling leaders.

    “Liberal” once meant right wing (the Girondists were liberals) until President Roosevelt created what he called a “New Deal” which was neither left nor right but took elements from each. (There is always someone announcing a “new deal” or a “third way”, it’s a political cliche.) Roosevelt extended the meaning of “freedom” to include “freedom from want” and similar puns. Thereafter, “liberal” has meant a soft form of socialism in America.

    In Australia, “liberal” kept its old meaning under people like Menzies, but Howard adapted it to a sort of pro-business, anti-progress conservatism which had many of the features of liberalism such as balanced budgets, but which also raised taxes and was based more on epithets like “unions bad, business good” than real principles of liberty.

    I hope that helps.

  • 31
    Ron
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    Syd Walker only talks about a net filter as if its as VIP as workchoises , jobs , econamy
    etc

    Election will be won against Libs on above issues , and not net filter which would not rate in top 20 issues to average Aussies But alas , to Syd , a Greens suporting zealot it is a priority issue

    (Oh , and for those intersted in FACTS , Syd’s online figures do not constitute a “Poll” and has NO credibilitys Whereas Latest poll (Neilsen) ie conducted as a proper sample shows 80% FOR Net Filter , making Syd a minority But as said Net Filter wont change whether its a Lib or Labor Govt anyway)

  • 32
    davirob
    Posted June 29, 2010 at 11:45 pm | Permalink

    It was a SMH poll not a “Syd” poll.80,000 or more people voted no.I wonder how many people Neilsen polled.I’m not saying the filter is the most important issue but it is very unpopular.

  • 33
    Sausage Maker
    Posted June 30, 2010 at 2:52 am | Permalink

    @ Ron. Internet filtering might not be a big election factor with older voters but it is with younger voters (traditional ALP voters) and those who have worked/know something about IT above that of email, Crapbook, and Shitter. The fact its so easily by-passed only adds to the aggravation. It also offends the “latte drinking socialist inner city” ALP voter that make up a big portion of ALP voters these days. Keating courted and got this demographic to be very pro Labor and Rudd did everything to alienate this group.

    You can bet those people who dumped primary support for the ALP over the dumping of the ETS in favour of the greens would also be against internet filtering. Its been a simmering issue in the background for a long time now.

    @ Syd Walker. As I point out to every person who threatens to vote Lib over the internet filtering: “Why hasn’t Abbott come out against the filter?” Abbott has opposed and blocked almost EVERYTHING Labor have done this term yet he is quiet on this and the only statements he has made is that there is “for and against arguments” for internet filtering.

    We all know if Abbott got to be PM and there was internet filtering in place every site in the world about abortion would be instantly blocked. Im 100% positive even the idea of this sends Abbott in orgasms.

  • 34
    Syd Walker
    Posted June 30, 2010 at 7:22 am | Permalink

    @ Ron and Sausage Maker

    A brief cautionary tale for your breakfast reading…
    _______________________

    There once was a very popular Queensland Premier, who led a very popular Government only a few years after a very unpopular white-shoe brigade government held power in the State for many years.

    This popular Premier relied too heavily for his own good on ambitious policy wonks, who thought they were a damn sight more clever than was actually the case.

    Warned that he was pissing off voters hither and thither with a raft of annoying and ill-considered policies in variuous parts of the State, the Premier consulted his policy wonks. They were all absolutely certain that all progressive voters would always back Labor in the end with their preferences.

    What other choice did the people have, said the wonks? And they sniggered. They were, after all, extremely clever wonks.

    The year was 1995, one of the wonks was called K Rudd. The rest is history.

    Try not to repeat history guys.

    It’s not just that some people may switch votes over an issue. A lot more people will shift votes if they perceive a party that’s arrogant, high-handed and generally unresponsive to community concerns. If you want to censor the internet, try to win the policy debate so you have a popular mandate for it. If you can;t do that, back off.

    @ Ron, who wrote:

    >>>NO credibilitys Whereas Latest poll (Neilsen) ie conducted as a proper sample shows 80% FOR Net Filter , making Syd a minority

    Ron, I am definitely getting more proficient interpreting your unexpurgated streams of ALP policy-wonk consciousness. Time was when I’d have scratched my head at that extract. But I actually understand what you mean and will respond in kind:

    Ron – me do have credibilitys really I do + whereis actual ref to ur Latest poll (Neilsen) cant findit in my ggglesearch. URL plse!

  • 35
    David Irving (no relation)
    Posted June 30, 2010 at 8:13 am | Permalink

    Sancho, although I’m an aging baby boomer, I’m actually quite technically savvy (more so than a lot of young people anyway), having written software to examine and analyse internet traffic.

  • 36
    James McDonald
    Posted June 30, 2010 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    @Ron and @Oscar

    Syd Walker did note in the first place that the 99%-against poll was a self-selected sample. That doesn’t make it wrong and the Nielson 80%-for poll right. At face value, it just means that 80% don’t give a toss and won’t vote on that issue, while 99% of 20% are more likely to vote on that issue, and they will be against it.

    Few people want the internet filter but most are prepared to tolerate it.

    Most will miss the crucial point – which is not the abrogation of free speech per se, but the shutdown of the previous filtering service, and the compulsory sequestration of power from parents, internet users, the police, and the courts, henceforth to be wielded exclusively by the Minister for Communication.

    And that’s one of the traditional features of the Left: The end justifies the means, and who cares if ministers become sole arbitrators, as long as the desired filtering takes place? They’re nice people; of course you can trust them.

  • 37
    Syd Walker
    Posted June 30, 2010 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    Here’s my open letter to Julia Gillard about Internet Censorship FWIW – along with her contact details and a few suggestions if anyone would lie to do similar.

    http://sydwalker.info/blog/2010/06/30/open-letter-to-julia-gillard-re-compulsory-internet-censorship/

  • 38
    James McDonald
    Posted June 30, 2010 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    A very good letter, Syd. May I suggest one change …
    In place of this:

    The Rudd Government and Senator Conroy, despite affecting concern over difficulties faced by parents who seek to make their children’s experience on the web safe and happy, actually dropped the previous government’s scheme whereby free voluntary ‘filters’ were available on request.

    Would you consider this:

    If efforts to introduce a single uniform filter could be redirected to reviving and building on the previous government's suite of voluntary filters, this could have a far better chance of achieving effective, minimally intrusive, internet sanitation in the long term, through a gradual process of public evaluation and competition between alternate options.

  • 39
    Syd Walker
    Posted June 30, 2010 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    An excellent suggestion James. Thanks.

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    Observation
    Posted June 30, 2010 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    n Australia, “liberal” kept its old meaning under people like Menzies, but Howard adapted it to a sort of pro-business, anti-progress conservatism which had many of the features of liberalism such as balanced budgets, but which also raised taxes and was based more on epithets like “unions bad, business good” than real principles of liberty.

    I hope that helps.

    Thanks James, It seems quite fluid and I guess in 50 years time the Australian version will have another chapter and another description!

  • 41
    James McDonald
    Posted June 30, 2010 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    Reading back what I wrote, I could have summed it up more simply:

    1. Whether a party is left or right depends on what it’s opposing
    2. Those on the left believe in increasing social equity
    3. Those on the right believe in reducing state restrictions upon individual choices
    4. When those on the left and the right disagree, it’s usually about means rather than ends
    5. Hardly anyone in politics understands or could care less about the above, so the distinction is largely academic and you may as well vote on personalities.

  • 42
    1gmd
    Posted July 1, 2010 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    @oscar

    This blog is on the internet right?

    Some contributors use fearfully strong language (thanks @marilyn shepherd) right?

    Maybe a filter might just really screw the debate up, right?

    Maybe some (90,000) might just think this new freedom might be worth keeping over all other factors, right?

    Guess what? you distribute that 90,000 around a variety of seats – governments can stay or go on a handfull of votes in a handfull of electorates

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