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		<title>Comment on Are SUVs killers? by Persia</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/theurbanist/2011/06/28/are-suvs-killers/#comment-8824</link>
		<dc:creator>Persia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 05:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I call &#039;em Attack Trucks, coz they are trucks and they are used to attack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I call &#8216;em Attack Trucks, coz they are trucks and they are used to attack</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Accumulation of links for urbanists by Persia</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/theurbanist/2013/05/24/an-accumulation-of-links-for-urbanists/#comment-8823</link>
		<dc:creator>Persia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 04:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting rid of the (eccch) Gas &amp; Fuel Towers was the only good thing Kennett ever did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting rid of the (eccch) Gas &amp; Fuel Towers was the only good thing Kennett ever did.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Accumulation of links for urbanists by Dylan Nicholson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/theurbanist/2013/05/24/an-accumulation-of-links-for-urbanists/#comment-8822</link>
		<dc:creator>Dylan Nicholson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 01:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“I only want one small thing. I want drivers to pass cyclists with the same care and safety that they would take in passing their own son, daughter or loved one.”

Good quote, though why stop at passing cyclists...in an ideal world such a philosophy would apply to everything! Indeed if I ever had single genie&#039;s wish (and I couldn&#039;t wish for additional wishes or magical powers), that&#039;d be  pretty close to what I&#039;d go with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I only want one small thing. I want drivers to pass cyclists with the same care and safety that they would take in passing their own son, daughter or loved one.”</p>
<p>Good quote, though why stop at passing cyclists&#8230;in an ideal world such a philosophy would apply to everything! Indeed if I ever had single genie&#8217;s wish (and I couldn&#8217;t wish for additional wishes or magical powers), that&#8217;d be  pretty close to what I&#8217;d go with.</p>
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		<title>Comment on More myths about Melbourne&#039;s density by View from above: creativity in Hong Kong &#124; Assemble Papers</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/theurbanist/2010/04/15/more-myths-about-melbournes-density/#comment-8821</link>
		<dc:creator>View from above: creativity in Hong Kong &#124; Assemble Papers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 23:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kong, a city of 6787 people per sq km. By comparison, Melbourne’s population density is around 1600 people per sq km and according to the World Bank, Australia’s overall national population density is a teeny 3 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>...] Kong, a city of 6787 people per sq km. By comparison, Melbourne’s population density is around 1600 people per sq km and according to the World Bank, Australia’s overall national population density is a teeny 3 [...</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Comment on Do Awards tell us what good architecture is? by Daniel Bowen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/theurbanist/2013/05/23/do-awards-tell-us-what-good-architecture-is/#comment-8820</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Bowen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 13:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps there *should* be a &#039;Buildings that keep out the weather&#039; category, given projects like the North Melbourne Station redevelopment win awards, yet don&#039;t keep out the weather.

http://www.macdow.com.au/news/north-melbourne-station-upgrade-wins-ccf-award

http://www.ptua.org.au/2012/01/23/potd-north-melb-stn-shelter/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps there *should* be a &#8216;Buildings that keep out the weather&#8217; category, given projects like the North Melbourne Station redevelopment win awards, yet don&#8217;t keep out the weather.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.macdow.com.au/news/north-melbourne-station-upgrade-wins-ccf-award" rel="nofollow">http://www.macdow.com.au/news/north-melbourne-station-upgrade-wins-ccf-award</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ptua.org.au/2012/01/23/potd-north-melb-stn-shelter/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ptua.org.au/2012/01/23/potd-north-melb-stn-shelter/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Should cyclists stop ignoring red lights? by Russ</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/theurbanist/2013/05/22/should-cyclists-stop-ignoring-red-lights/#comment-8819</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 12:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan, Persia, this is something that ought to be emphasised more.  So many driver-cyclist altercations are caused for lack of a few seconds patience, on both sides.  And in urban traffic, you will almost always lose those few seconds again at the next intersection.  Average vehicle speed is determined by the speed the queue clears, not driving speed, and there is *always* a queue.

Conflict speaks to a lack of education in general about how cyclists should and do behave.  There is little to no knowledge of cycling required to pass a drivers test and there is absolutely no knowledge of the road rules/etiquette required to cycle on the road.  I&#039;d prefer to see cyclists have to get a license (note license NOT registration) if only to make sharing the road with cyclists part of a standard driver&#039;s test.  Though there are other benefits (form of ID, official recognition of road rights).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan, Persia, this is something that ought to be emphasised more.  So many driver-cyclist altercations are caused for lack of a few seconds patience, on both sides.  And in urban traffic, you will almost always lose those few seconds again at the next intersection.  Average vehicle speed is determined by the speed the queue clears, not driving speed, and there is *always* a queue.</p>
<p>Conflict speaks to a lack of education in general about how cyclists should and do behave.  There is little to no knowledge of cycling required to pass a drivers test and there is absolutely no knowledge of the road rules/etiquette required to cycle on the road.  I&#8217;d prefer to see cyclists have to get a license (note license NOT registration) if only to make sharing the road with cyclists part of a standard driver&#8217;s test.  Though there are other benefits (form of ID, official recognition of road rights).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Should cyclists stop ignoring red lights? by boscombe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/theurbanist/2013/05/22/should-cyclists-stop-ignoring-red-lights/#comment-8818</link>
		<dc:creator>boscombe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 12:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ignore the red lights on my morning trip to the beach, and at most of those intersections the motorists should be thankful I do. I can cross those intersections by just waiting for a few seconds &#039;till there are no cars (sometimes go halfway and wait) and go across. I don&#039;t need to pull up and press the button to give me a green light and them a red one. 

I hate it when I&#039;m driving toward an intersection, at which there have been no cars for ages, and am stopped because a cyclist has pressed that damn button so they could have a green light to cross with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ignore the red lights on my morning trip to the beach, and at most of those intersections the motorists should be thankful I do. I can cross those intersections by just waiting for a few seconds &#8217;till there are no cars (sometimes go halfway and wait) and go across. I don&#8217;t need to pull up and press the button to give me a green light and them a red one. </p>
<p>I hate it when I&#8217;m driving toward an intersection, at which there have been no cars for ages, and am stopped because a cyclist has pressed that damn button so they could have a green light to cross with.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Do Awards tell us what good architecture is? by Alan Davies</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/theurbanist/2013/05/23/do-awards-tell-us-what-good-architecture-is/#comment-8817</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 08:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;melburnite #3&lt;/strong&gt;:

Certainly not advocating Awards in specific categories like &quot;client satisfaction&quot;!!! No, I&#039;m arguing that considerations like user satisfaction should be part of the assessment process, even using existing categories. The use of a building is still its key justification (otherwise it would be sculpture). Good architecture achieves excellence in use &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; does it in a way that looks and feels good. Either one by itself doesn&#039;t amount to much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>melburnite #3</strong>:</p>
<p>Certainly not advocating Awards in specific categories like &#8220;client satisfaction&#8221;!!! No, I&#8217;m arguing that considerations like user satisfaction should be part of the assessment process, even using existing categories. The use of a building is still its key justification (otherwise it would be sculpture). Good architecture achieves excellence in use <em>and</em> does it in a way that looks and feels good. Either one by itself doesn&#8217;t amount to much.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Do Awards tell us what good architecture is? by melburnite</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/theurbanist/2013/05/23/do-awards-tell-us-what-good-architecture-is/#comment-8816</link>
		<dc:creator>melburnite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 08:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps Alan, you are expecting too much of architects ? People become architects because they love the look and feel of buildings, and that&#039;s what&#039;s being judged, mostly.

While I believe that judging panels do include some assessment of client satisfaction (they have usually been finished at least for a while), and by extension its functionality, cost effectiveness etc. it is really mostly about an aesthetic appreciation. Its about architecture as an art.

Of course buildings are more than art, and architects have to try to serve practical ends as well as aesthetic ones, but the sort of assessments you are talking about can only be done after a good period of time, and dont sound very exiting - &#039;best value for money &#039;, or &#039;highest client satisfaction&#039;, &#039;most low maintenance&#039; - worthy, but not the sort of thing someone who sees themselves as an artist would covet. 

Actually maybe it would be a useful exercise, so that the big firms who do the most commercially driven work, which is usually bland, could get some awards too !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps Alan, you are expecting too much of architects ? People become architects because they love the look and feel of buildings, and that&#8217;s what&#8217;s being judged, mostly.</p>
<p>While I believe that judging panels do include some assessment of client satisfaction (they have usually been finished at least for a while), and by extension its functionality, cost effectiveness etc. it is really mostly about an aesthetic appreciation. Its about architecture as an art.</p>
<p>Of course buildings are more than art, and architects have to try to serve practical ends as well as aesthetic ones, but the sort of assessments you are talking about can only be done after a good period of time, and dont sound very exiting &#8211; &#8216;best value for money &#8216;, or &#8216;highest client satisfaction&#8217;, &#8216;most low maintenance&#8217; &#8211; worthy, but not the sort of thing someone who sees themselves as an artist would covet. </p>
<p>Actually maybe it would be a useful exercise, so that the big firms who do the most commercially driven work, which is usually bland, could get some awards too !</p>
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		<title>Comment on Should cyclists stop ignoring red lights? by Jai Cooper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/theurbanist/2013/05/22/should-cyclists-stop-ignoring-red-lights/#comment-8815</link>
		<dc:creator>Jai Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 08:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GPS controlled driverless operation will create a new set of challenges to managing user conflict.  

Hovercraft offer some solutions but more challenges.

&quot;Remember when we had traffic lights, ha, ha!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GPS controlled driverless operation will create a new set of challenges to managing user conflict.  </p>
<p>Hovercraft offer some solutions but more challenges.</p>
<p>&#8220;Remember when we had traffic lights, ha, ha!&#8221;</p>
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