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Gillard 71, Rudd 31

Phillip Coorey of the Sydney Morning Herald reportedly reports that Julia Gillard's winning margin over Kevin Rudd in this morning's Labor leadership vote has been 73-29, coming in at t

Phillip Coorey of the Sydney Morning Herald reportedly reports that Julia Gillard’s winning margin over Kevin Rudd in this morning’s Labor leadership vote has been 73-29, coming in at the higher end of market expectations.

UPDATE: The official announcement has actually been that the margin was 71-31. Headline amended. Apologies that comments are currently off, which has been necessary to manage Crikey’s notoriously shaky bandwidth.

UPDATE 2: Ongoing apologies for the offness of the comments. Essential Research has come in at 56-44, up from 55-45 last week and 54-46 the week before. Labor’s primary vote is down a point to 32 per cent and the Coalition’s is up one to 49 per cent, with the Greens steady on 11 per cent. Further questions have 39 per cent blaming Julia Gillard for Labor’s problems against 18 per cent for Kevin Rudd, 23 per cent for others in the party and 10 per cent for the media. Reactions to the Gonski report are typically social democratic, with 61 per cent preferring more education funding to a return to a budget surplus and 68 per cent supporting the report’s recommendations as described against 13 per cent opposed.

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Player One
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[ Bob Carr would make a good minister for Foreign Affairs. ]

Showie! Get with the program! It is not about how good he would be, it is about how Julia lied!!!! Or at least confused Dennis Shamaham – which must be the same thing!!!. Or something.

Gorgeous Dunny
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3955 smithe [Ellis is an un-reconstructed Ruddista who has had at least one excruciatingly maudlin and boring paean to Rudd published on The Drum website in the last 12 months. Fair dinkum, it read like a print version of Don Mclean’s The Day the Music Died, dedicated to The Great Man hisself.] I was drawn to his blog by the mention here. He has turned off Rudd in a big way: likened him to that Doc Martin character on TV, and suggested that he had aspergers. But it hasn’t converted him to Gillard. Most of his other writings don’t make… Read more »
the spectator
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[Bob Carr would make a good minister for Foreign Affairs.]

On what basis? For starters the man is good mates with Henry Kissenger who many consider to be akin to a war criminal. secondly he left the state of NSW as a complete shambles decaying infrastructure etc.

zoomster
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I am not blaming Rudd – I am pointing out the logical consequences of assuming the story is the result of an internal leak. IF it was, then the obvious assumption is that it came from the Rudd camp (applying the ‘who benefits’ rule). My own opinion, for what it’s worth, based on my knowledge of the way the party works, is that the decision is purely NSW Labor’s, and they would be the first to kick and scream blue murder if there was even a hint that the PM usurped one of their few real powers. And no Labor… Read more »
the spectator
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[You contend that the Australian is making up the report that Carr answered “yes” to the question whether he was offered the FM position. Fine, lets wait for more information, we all know more will come with this ALP and the various unhappy components thereof]

Impossible as that question was never asked of Carr. he was told he would be “considered” for the position which is very different from being “offered”. But that is only a minor fact in this complete fabrication of a story by a thoroughly discredited “news” organisation ofcourse.

Player One
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[ Go and have a look at george’s latest effort.
tinyurl.com/7ape73w ]

Oooh! I like it!

May the Farce be with you!

ShowsOn
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Bob Carr would make a good minister for Foreign Affairs.

BK
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BK
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Go and have a look at george’s latest effort.
tinyurl.com/7ape73w

Thomas. Paine.
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[2. Kevin was perfectly sincere about not undermining the PM, but is unable to command the respect of his followers.]

And a myriad of other possibilities. By all means blame Rudd, it is become a standing joke as the public that this ‘it is all Rudd’s fault’ is a load of bs.

Player One
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[ All of this could only have come from the ALP….the leaking continues. You contend that the Australian is making up the report that Carr answered “yes” to the question whether he was offered the FM position. Fine, lets wait for more information, we all know more will come with this ALP and the various unhappy components thereof ] So the story is about “leaks” now? Not about who said what to whom? Is this the new party line now – “We can’t lay a glove on Gillard, she’s too clever – so let’s undermine her by claiming that someone… Read more »
deblonay
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French Socialists to hit the Super Rich
____________________
If they win the coming election(and kick out the poisoned dwarf..Sarkosy)the Socialists are planning a Suoer Tax on the SuperRich…of 75% on very high incomes
WOW How would Abbot like that tax on Palmer and Forrest and Reinhardt and the likes

The Curtin Govt did something like that during WW2

confessions
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[Ruddenial]

😆

Great term. Thanks zoomster!

Cuppa
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smithe Posted Thursday, March 1, 2012 at 7:19 pm http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2012/02/27/gillard-73-rudd-29/comment-page-80/#comment-1184180 [Its just good news that the media (since 4C I think) are cottoning on to the fact that you cannot take anything Gillard says at face value- look for the deception. ______ You sir are a complete wangker. She’s probably one of the straightest PMs we’ve ever had, honesty wise. Recall that during the recent leadership ructions she released all journos from any and all ethical obligations to keep her as a source mute, and invited them to ask each other whether she’d ever said a disloyal word to any… Read more »
poroti
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imacca

[Wow. Must be something in the water in N.Z.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/winston-peters-ejected-from-parliament/story-fn3dxity-1226286530586

Mr Peters is the first MP to be kicked out of the debating chamber this term.

How many have been chucked out of ours in the last week??]
That and the speaker takes no shit from anyone. Last year he turfed a cabinet minister for not stopping speaking immediately the speaker stood up. He said in wtte tough titties if he did not see him stand up, dems da rules.

Utopia
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[Got wind of what exactly?]

How did the media find out Gillard had spoken to Carr?

How did the media find out Carr had been offered the FM position (whoever made the offer)?

All of this could only have come from the ALP….the leaking continues.

You contend that the Australian is making up the report that Carr answered “yes” to the question whether he was offered the FM position. Fine, lets wait for more information, we all know more will come with this ALP and the various unhappy components thereof

zoomster
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So the Ruddialists are saying that the real point of the ‘Carr Affair’ is that someone in caucus leaked.

In other words, either:

1. Kevin and his followers were lying when they said they would unite behind Gillard, and are treacherously undermining the elected leader of their party contrary to their public utterances;

OR

2. Kevin was perfectly sincere about not undermining the PM, but is unable to command the respect of his followers.

Given those two options, I really think, if I were in Ruddenial, I’d be blaming the media.

Rex Douglas
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Lying – we’ve all done, to a certain degree, so who are we to throw stones

Who cares if Howard lied, or didn’t lie – who cares if Gillard lied, or didn’t lie – no big deal to me – media propaganda tool

For politicians, it’s what they’ve achieved – it’s the reform they’ve implemented that counts – the big picture

WeWantPaul
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Smithe @ 4020

I wish it was that narrow. It is so deeply entrenched people who would normally try to stay neutral (say because their job description includes influencing govt) are openly mocking the govt.

confessions
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ML:

You are flogging a horse which never bolted. A concoction of the NEws ltd press, dreamed up in concert with the Liberals, who have been similarly flogging said horse.

Why do you bother with this superficial, irrelevent tabloid rubbish?

imacca
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Wow. Must be something in the water in N.Z.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/winston-peters-ejected-from-parliament/story-fn3dxity-1226286530586

[Mr Peters is the first MP to be kicked out of the debating chamber this term.]

How many have been chucked out of ours in the last week??

poroti
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The Finnigans
[Amazing, no #leadershits or PM Gillard bashing tonight on #ABC730. Now @CUhlmann that wasnt too painful, was it? #auspol]
A rainy night on a Canberra park bench works wonders 🙂

Gary
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[Gosh what a shock, the story is about Gillard, Rudd, the vote, the faction leaders, the faceless men, leaks….yes, of course.]
And the eyes glaze over when this stuff is mentioned.

Jackol
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I know Gary, apologies for not being clear I wasn’t criticizing your post.

Boerwar
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Shell bell Some unstructured thoughts: (1) Bearing in mind that Mr Rudd has to all intents and purposes run FA since he was elected PM and down to a lowish level of detail, it would be highly likely that there would be significant changes with a change in Minister for Foreign Affairs. In his earlier days there were criticisms that he tended to drop done deals on the regional neighborhood. IMHO, both Mr Rudd and his colleagues (with the possible exception of Mr Ludwig) appeared to have learned from that. So a basic, more collegiate style, is likely to persist.… Read more »
Player One
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[ If the Media got wind of it, then it must have come from the ALP. ] Got wind of what exactly? The story you and the OO seem to be trying to spin here (as far as I understand either their bizarre logic or your bizarre logic) is that Julia lied when she says she didn’t offer Bob Carr the FM positition. But sadly for you, both sides – being the only ones who would actually know – have categorically denied it. So WTF are you claiming the story is about? Some nebulous “mutiny” which you cannot seem to… Read more »
Gary
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[A politician that lies or stretches the truth, well I never.]
I actually used this to indicate what the effect the perception a politician lied would have on the general public.

The Finnigans
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Amazing, no #leadershits or PM Gillard bashing tonight on #ABC730. Now @CUhlmann that wasnt too painful, was it? #auspol

imacca
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[You only have to look at those feeding it to see where it’s coming from.]

LOL! That would be the tools is the MSM who have been pretty much wRONg about everything since Gillard became PM??

The way this is going it will become standard Shamahan practice to include a statement that “The sky is up and the ground is down” at some point in every article so that no-one can ever state that any article of his is “completely” wrong. Since when has relevance ever mattered? Its all about agenda.

poroti
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Just in, News Poil polling has found that 99.9995 % percent of the population when asked about their view of “Carrgate ” said
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjC_VCKG0tE

Utopia
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[And there we have it, just as I claimed @ 4023.

It’s disappointing to be proved right in so short a space of time. After the Rudd stuff, I’m used to having to wait months.]

Gosh what a shock, the story is about Gillard, Rudd, the vote, the faction leaders, the faceless men, leaks….yes, of course. I would have thought that was pretty obvious Confessions, but you take it as a cunning win on your part if you wish!!!

Darn
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A handful of PBs may find this Carr stuff riveting but trust me the great unwashed out there couldn’t give a shit.

Aguirre
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I think I’ve just had a post sent into moderation. First time for me. No idea why.

Dr John
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[ Flame war over ]
‘Pork pies’ is still lying!

confessions
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[So much for the resounding win Gillard had on Monday]

And there we have it, just as I claimed @ 4023.

It’s disappointing to be proved right in so short a space of time. After the Rudd stuff, I’m used to having to wait months.

Jackol
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A politician that lies or stretches the truth, well I never. The annoying thing is that, in this case, I don’t think Julia Gillard has stretched the truth at all, let alone lied. My feeling about this is that various interests are strategically putting out all these little “Julia Gillard lied” events (whether she did or not), assuming that by putting out hundreds of them they can’t all be swatted down, and collectively add to an overall impression that is impossible to refute. That’s why I don’t think any of these should be allowed to go through to the keeper.… Read more »
confessions
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[While I’m here the hopeful view that this Carr crash rubbish (which I fully agree should not be important) is irrelevant seems to neglect that the publics starting perception of Julia is being reinforced.] And I refer you to my comment above about those pushing this stupid meme. It is being pushed in order to undermine the PM’s authority and assertiveness she gained from Monday’s ballot. You only have to look at those feeding it to see where it’s coming from. Compare and contrast to Helen Coonan’s resignation. Nobody batted an eyelid when Howard era staffer Sinodinos replaced her, yet… Read more »
Utopia
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[Ok – we finally agree on something. So how about you STFU about something you have just admitted you know nothing about?]

Oscar:

Let me spell it out for you.

The only people who know whether an ALP Prime Minister spoke to an ALP Premier about an ALP Cabinet position is the ALP.

If the Media got wind of it, then it must have come from the ALP.

So much for the resounding win Gillard had on Monday, and the end of the leaks eh?

Gary
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[While I’m here the hopeful view that this Carr crash rubbish (which I fully agree should not be important) is irrelevant seems to neglect that the publics starting perception of Julia is being reinforced.]
Only if they are taking any notice, which I don’t believe they are. It isn’t making a big splash on the nightly news services and nor will it matter in a few days time. A politician that lies or stretches the truth, well I never.

smithe
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BTW comrades, has Toolman sobered-up yet?

smithe
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[the publics starting perception of Julia…]

That’d be Shanahan’s startling percrption of Julia (which he never tires of repeating tom any who will listen), I think you’ll find.

Player One
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[ Well, I wasn’t there so there is no way of me knowing ]

Ok – we finally agree on something. So how about you STFU about something you have just admitted you know nothing about?

smithe
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[Which brings us back to my question:

The other issue is how did this story come out into the open ?]

Who cares?

Conduct your own pogroms, comrade>

WeWantPaul
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Defending modlib doesn’t appeal to me greatly but calling him an idiot based on the rather tenuous belief that the only way the PM could possibly make an offer is directly herself takes the irrational cult of Julia to new depths. It also assumes an independence from the factions which she can repeat ad nausea and sane people will never believe. While I’m here the hopeful view that this Carr crash rubbish (which I fully agree should not be important) is irrelevant seems to neglect that the publics starting perception of Julia is being reinforced. The view she is a… Read more »
confessions
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[The other issue is how did this story come out into the open ?]

We dealt with this earlier. There is a claque of Rudd supporters who haven’t yet got the memo that the Rudd ship has sailed.

poroti
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Gary Sparrow
[Portoi

I think we can all agree Tories (Abbott) and Laborites (Gillard) are liars.

Flame war over]
I bloody well hope the “flame war” is over. The phrase “Much ado about nothing” comes to mind.

confessions
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[While you are here, on the assumption that Mr Rudd is not reappointed as FM, do you expect changes to foreign policy or just approach?]

My own view: Under Rudd’s watch as FM the opposition were able to get traction with the line about needing to have a Jakarta focus rather than a UN focus. The assumption being that Rudd was too preoccupied with sucking up to northern hemisphere nations to pay any attention to our own region.

This needs to change.

Jackol
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Which brings us back to my question:

Ah, so you’ve given up claiming that Julia Gillard denied talking to Bob Carr. Excellent.

Utopia
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[“Completely untrue” refers to mutinies and rebellions.]

Which brings us back to my question:


[The other issue is how did this story come out into the open ?

Any takers?]

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